Because he does His will does not mean he takes sides. He looks after those who are with Him, but he is not on 'their side', he is His own side.




Good point.

Let's all look into our hearts and through much prayer find that side.


Even if it goes against our own side.


peaceandlove,

janet

Paul was excuted by Rome for treason, I wouldn't call him a good Roman citizen.

Because he does His will does not mean he takes sides. He looks after those who are with Him, but he is not on 'their side', he is His own side.

He does both. He takes the side of those that are of His People when the actions are righteous. I believe that He acts, as you say, in His own interest in matters that do not affect His people.

As Christians, we all try to stay on the correct path that leads to Him. Even if we don't always agree on where the path lies.

He does both. He takes the side of those that are of His People when the actions are righteous. I believe that He acts, as you say, in His own interest in matters that do not affect His people.

As Christians, we all try to stay on the correct path that leads to Him. Even if we don't always agree on where the path lies.

All rightiousness comes from God, therefore actions are either in accordance with His will or not. He doesnt take our side, we either are in accord with His or not. Its by Him we are also kept on the narrow path.

But wait.. are you using hard earned sinfilled American dollars to pay for the internets? And Or Much less using something created by the sinful-whoring US government?
... YIKES..

I skipped alot of this.. seemingly appeared to be summed into "the flag is evil" and "America is babylon" and "Whose side is God on?" and the ever so beating around the bush that "Soliders are wrong".

A flag is just a temporary thing; my faith and my standards that I find in him is all I have; and thats something a flag could never provide. I 'am proud to be in America; and to be an American citizen;[not saying that for the first time in my adult life either hahahaha] I'am glad that I was born here. While I may not agree with what may or may not occur within the government; and may not agree with everything that occurs.

I 'am thankful for my freedoms; and I 'am thankful for those that have served.

But wait.. are you using hard earned sinfilled American dollars to pay for the internets? And Or Much less using something created by the sinful-whoring US government?
... YIKES..

I skipped alot of this.. seemingly appeared to be summed into "the flag is evil" and "America is babylon" and "Whose side is God on?" and the ever so beating around the bush that "Soliders are wrong".

A flag is just a temporary thing; my faith and my standards that I find in him is all I have; and thats something a flag could never provide. I 'am proud to be in America; and to be an American citizen;[not saying that for the first time in my adult life either hahahaha] I'am glad that I was born here. While I may not agree with what may or may not occur within the government; and may not agree with everything that occurs.

I 'am thankful for my freedoms; and I 'am thankful for those that have served.

Would you be a less thankful and glad person if you were a christian born in China, or Pakistan, or Cuba, or Iran with freedoms?

Is your thankfulness and gladness rooted in your location and circumstances?

I am in the world/america but not of the world/america
I live in America, but this is not my home - I am an alien, a citizen of Yah's Kingdom.
I don't pledge to any flag, or hold loyalty to any worldly governmental hierarchy.

While I agree with the fact we are only sojourners here on earth, I also believe God placed us geographically for a reason. I am an American because God wanted me here. Why? I don't exactly know but I DO know I serve a purpose in the neighborhood in which I live. God placed me in the exact spot He wanted me in.

We are told to follow the laws of the land in which we find ourselves at least to the best of our ability and to render unto Caesar that which is Caesars.

There are bad things about the United States. There are good things about the United States. There are bad things about everywhere and there are good things about everywhere. I think we are to keep our eyes and mind in heaven while keeping our feet planted on earth to reach out to those who haven't met Jesus.

Just my opinion.
V

Would you be a less thankful and glad person if you were a christian born in China, or Pakistan, or Cuba, or Iran with freedoms?

As long as I lived my life; and did what I could to be happy and follow the criteria and believe what I do; then I'd still be thankful. I'd have a place to live I'd hopefully; and I wouldnt have all the "things" I would have; but I'd have the one thing I'd need.


Is your thankfulness and gladness rooted in your location and circumstances?Nope; because my circumstances have been hardships; and struggles; from living in an area where gunfire; and sirens became just another thing you hear. Most recently dealing with moving from my home of 11 years; because the payments were to high for my mom and sister. I 'am struggling now to pay rent; and to keep going back forth to work. I 'am not a snotty nosed kid; that got the world handed to him; I 'am a grown man doing what I can to hold onto what I have.



I am in the world/america but not of the world/america
I live in America, but this is not my home - I am an alien, a citizen of Yah's Kingdom.
I don't pledge to any flag, or hold loyalty to any worldly governmental hierarchy.

You do spend us currency right?

You do spend us currency right?

What's that go to do with anything?
Spending money has anything to do with flag before the cross.

Give to Ceaser what is Ceaser's.

While I agree with the fact we are only sojourners here on earth, I also believe God placed us geographically for a reason. I am an American because God wanted me here. Why? I don't exactly know but I DO know I serve a purpose in the neighborhood in which I live. God placed me in the exact spot He wanted me in.

We are told to follow the laws of the land in which we find ourselves at least to the best of our ability and to render unto Caesar that which is Caesars.

There are bad things about the United States. There are good things about the United States. There are bad things about everywhere and there are good things about everywhere. I think we are to keep our eyes and mind in heaven while keeping our feet planted on earth to reach out to those who haven't met Jesus.

Just my opinion.
V

I agree, I am no more blessed to be living here than my brothers & sisters living in countries without freedoms.

I agree, I am no more blessed to be living here than my brothers & sisters living in countries without freedoms.You are more blessed because here you can complain and it won't cost you your life.. so count that as a blessing.

You are more blessed because here you can complain and it won't cost you your life.. so count that as a blessing.

And here we can assemble and freely worship and we can witness and many other freedoms. Indeed, we are more blessed in the physical and material sense than many other people. But eternally, all believers are extremely blessed already.

Many don't complain about their blessings either.

You are more blessed because here you can complain and it won't cost you your life.. so count that as a blessing.

We know that many of us disagree with this type of mindset, and I do not particularly want to get into that debate again, I will just say that I agree with Paul.

To die is gain..not loss.........:D I don't agree with the mindset that to live here is a true blessing, in other words. (the usa, I believe that is a idea that came from men, not God.) God never told us, as christians WHERE we resided in this earth would be a blessing....He said, His kingdom is not of this world..and, I don't intend to fight for this world.

Just a blanket statement. I don't want to debate this...any longer. Some things are not fruitful.

peaceandlove,

janet

We know that many of us disagree with this type of mindset, and I do not particularly want to get into that debate again, I will just say that I agree with Paul.

To die is gain..not loss.........:D I don't agree with the mindset that to live here is a true blessing, in other words. (the usa, I believe that is a idea that came from men, not God.) God never told us, as christians WHERE we resided in this earth would be a blessing....He said, His kingdom is not of this world..and, I don't intend to fight for this world.

Just a blanket statement. I don't want to debate this...any longer. Some things are not fruitful.

peaceandlove,

janet
Then stop debating it for crying out loud already. ;)

We know that many of us disagree with this type of mindset, and I do not particularly want to get into that debate again, I will just say that I agree with Paul.

To die is gain..not loss.........:D I don't agree with the mindset that to live here is a true blessing, in other words. (the usa, I believe that is a idea that came from men, not God.) God never told us, as christians WHERE we resided in this earth would be a blessing....He said, His kingdom is not of this world..and, I don't intend to fight for this world.

Just a blanket statement. I don't want to debate this...any longer. Some things are not fruitful.

peaceandlove,

janetI agree with you for the path that God put you on and uses you for. He put me on a path to fight for you, as He uses me and many other soldiers and police, to give you the freedom to continue to have your freedoms and safety.

Then stop debating it for crying out loud already. ;)

Hi Pete,


Is making a blanket statement a debate?

I often will leave a debate, allow much time to go by, and then come back in and make a blanket statement. In this way, those whom would be new to any given thread, can read it, and decide for themselves, as we all should.

It would be debating it, as was done in the past, and I have learned it does not bring forth much fruit.

So, again....my blanket statement will stand as my only comment....once again.

Until a couple of days, or weeks go by, and the same debate comes up again...then, I may add the same blanket statement again. In the end, God alone will be the judge of whom is right and whom is wrong on this issue...I hope you do agree with that, lol.

(I do not believe that new people come in this board and read past debates, but they tend to read the new one's, which are really old to us regulars, lol)

peaceandlove,

janet

He said, His kingdom is not of this world..and, I don't intend to fight for this world.

Just a blanket statement. I don't want to debate this...any longer. Some things are not fruitful.

peaceandlove,

janetI agree with this also but consider the fact He will fight for His people still. Otherwise Hitler would have had the freedom to kill off all the Jews and make them extinct. But God didn't allow satan this act of evil against God to continue to that point now did He? He called us to fight satan (Hilter).

Nor is God allowing satan to use radical muslims freedom to sweep across the earth and kill off "everyone" who doesn't bow to allah, now is He? He's called us to fight satan (terrorism-Islamic faith)

He uses some to fight, and to those who aren't picked to fight... get out of our way cause God is is leading this battle and you will be used in another way. Rejoice in that fact and instead of disagreeing with those God chose as warriors, support them. God sure does through His blessings.. just as he did with Cornelius and soldiers ever since.

Hi Pete,


Is making a blanket statement a debate?

I often will leave a debate, allow much time to go by, and then come back in and make a blanket statement. In this way, those whom would be new to any given thread, can read it, and decide for themselves, as we all should.

It would be debating it, as was done in the past, and I have learned it does not bring forth much fruit.

So, again....my blanket statement will stand as my only comment....once again.

Until a couple of days, or weeks go by, and the same debate comes up again...then, I may add the same blanket statement again. In the end, God alone will be the judge of whom is right and whom is wrong on this issue...I hope you do agree with that, lol.

(I do not believe that new people come in this board and read past debates, but they tend to read the new one's, which are really old to us regulars, lol)

peaceandlove,

janet
Keep in mind, while that is certainly an option, it is a discussion forum. I know that folks sure like their drive by comments but in the end... folks will make it a habit to pay a whole lot tess attention to drive by folks than they will those that invest the time to clearly lay out their point. Doesn't matter if they agree or disagree. That's just one of those "for what it is worth" comments.

And by the way... when you do that you might satisfy the legalistic idea that you aren't debating but just tossing something in when the mood hits... but it's still debating. Just using a different tactic. A blanket statement would be if you came in and simply made a blanket statement... but when you quote someone and your post goes contrary to their post... you are debating them. Mind you that there is nothing wrong with that. If we had a no debate rule in Christianity then we'd all be following the Law of Moses to the letter. ;)

Keep in mind, while that is certainly an option, it is a discussion forum. I know that folks sure like their drive by comments but in the end... folks will make it a habit to pay a whole lot tess attention to drive by folks than they will those that invest the time to clearly lay out their point. Doesn't matter if they agree or disagree. That's just one of those "for what it is worth" comments.

And by the way... when you do that you might satisfy the legalistic idea that you aren't debating but just tossing something in when the mood hits... but it's still debating. Just using a different tactic. A blanket statement would be if you came in and simply made a blanket statement... but when you quote someone and your post goes contrary to their post... you are debating them. Mind you that there is nothing wrong with that. If we had a no debate rule in Christianity then we'd all be following the Law of Moses to the letter. ;)

You are right about why we come here and discuss things. I fully agree we should discuss things. Iron sharpens iron...my point's do not need to be clarified, however, in such a way as to try to force a view. I believe God will lead individuals..and, I am not God.

I do believe He pricks our conscience through others, but, I do not agree, that He force feeds us through others.

(Just to clarify)

peaceandlove,

janet

Nor is God allowing satan to use radical muslims freedom to sweep across the earth and kill off "everyone" who doesn't bow to allah, now is He? He's called us to fight satan (terrorism-Islamic faith)

He uses some to fight, and to those who aren't picked to fight... get out of our way cause God is is leading this battle and you will be used in another way. Rejoice in that fact and instead of disagreeing with those God chose as warriors, support them. God sure does through His blessings.. just as he did with Cornelius and soldiers ever since.

For those new individuals whom might read this quote to me:

I do not believe that God takes sides among the nations of this world. God only has ONE holy nation, and it is His blood bought, born again, holy nation.

All the world lies in wickedness, and that includes the so called good 'ole usa, that many today have forgotten needs the same cleansing through the blood of Jesus. A mindset that would put one nation above another, and, make God out to be a respector of persons based on flesh is not the God I serve, and, I do believe that God will correct the church on this issue, sooner than most think.

There is something terribly wrong with exalting one nation above another, and calling one nation evil, while you sit on an ivory tower of false hope, thinking that what you hold as dear and righteouss is nothing more than what God calls wickedness.

In mho, the church needs to wake up and get back to the basics of christianity...which includes teaching all nations to repent of their evil.

God is not a respector of persons. He said, lest ye repent, ye shall likewise perish.

There seems to be a mindset that makes one nation somehow less evil than another, but our bibles do not teach this, it is a tradition of men...in mho..and, has been taught and accepted by many as a true form of doctrine, but my bible does not teach me this

End of blanket statement..on this quote.

The usa is going to undergo the same correction from the very targets that they seek to destroy.


Eventually this false way will fall.

It will be shown for what it is...and, the only thing that will not be destroyed is the one holy nation God is for.....He does not need men to fight for Him in worldly ways..and, never did.

He could raise up legions of angels to do that, if that was His will.

There is huge deception these days.

peaceandlove,

janet

It will be shown for what it is...and, the only thing that will not be destroyed is the one holy nation God is for.....He does not need men to fight for Him in worldly ways..and, never did
NEVER?


Explain, Moses, Joshua, Samson, Gideon, David (picked to be a King and a warrior at 12 years of age).. etc etc etc? There are many more, just explain these 5 to start with.


He could raise up legions of angels to do that, if that was His will.But he doesn't, does He? Otherwise these legions would have killed Hitler and fought him instead just like they'd be fighting the terrorists instead of warriors just like the five I mentioned above.


There is huge deception these days.

peaceandlove,

janetJ4C, whos deceiving who?

I agree with this also but consider the fact He will fight for His people still. Otherwise Hitler would have had the freedom to kill off all the Jews and make them extinct. But God didn't allow satan this act of evil against God to continue to that point now did He? He called us to fight satan (Hilter).

Nor is God allowing satan to use radical muslims freedom to sweep across the earth and kill off "everyone" who doesn't bow to allah, now is He? He's called us to fight satan (terrorism-Islamic faith)

He uses some to fight, and to those who aren't picked to fight... get out of our way cause God is is leading this battle and you will be used in another way. Rejoice in that fact and instead of disagreeing with those God chose as warriors, support them. God sure does through His blessings.. just as he did with Cornelius and soldiers ever since.

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
(Eph 6:12-13)


How do you know that Yahweh didn't have a different means of rescuing the Jews, one that would of shown His direct might and power that would have brought the to see their Messiah, and that by picking up arms according to the flesh, men intervened?

I reject the gun-ho, lets get our weapons and kill them for christ version of christianity - way to similar to islam.


And He said to him, " 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.' "This is the great and foremost commandment. "The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."
(Mat 22:37-40)

"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.' "But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. "For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? "If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? "Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
(Mat 5:43-48)

Hard to love them with bullets and guns.

"By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
(Joh 13:35)

I see no love of Elohim in the gun-ho, lets kill them mindset.

Does the world witnessing this battling see christianity as more loving than islam, are they going to see good works and glorify Yahweh?


"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."
(Mat 28:19-20)

Hard to make disciples when we kill them.

This is our great calling

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Originally Posted by jewel4Christ http://bibleforums.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php?p=1717650#post1717650)
It will be shown for what it is...and, the only thing that will not be destroyed is the one holy nation God is for.....He does not need men to fight for Him in worldly ways..and, never did


NEVER?


Explain, Moses, Joshua, Samson, Gideon, David (picked to be a King and a warrior at 12 years of age).. etc etc etc? There are many more, just explain these 5 to start with.

Slug,

You know this would lead to a debate, and, I am simply not going to go that route that we did in the past...trying to prove to one another our own "interpretations". It is my aim to speak to all the same thing. Search out the difference between the old and new covenants individually, but, I will say once again, in a blanket statement that the old covenant is as different as the night is to day, and God has not changed, but, the way He deals with HIS PEOPLE HAS...and, it would be pointless to get into that debate again, in this thread. My whole understanding of God comes from understanding the difference between the old and the new covenant. How God worked with a carnal people and how He now has superceded that old way with a new and better way that the new itself explains, and why it was necessary. The law has been replaced, by a new and true spiritual intent, that is based on love. Love fulfills that which the old did not have contained in it, and many today do not seem to understand that very important aspect of the word of God. There has been a change in the commandments of God, whether most in the church today refuse to see it or not...that is my viewpoint.

Quote:
He could raise up legions of angels to do that, if that was His will.

But he doesn't, does He? Otherwise these legions would have killed Hitler and fought him instead just like they'd be fighting the terrorists instead of warriors just like the five I mentioned above.

NOwhere in the new covenant did God command any of His people to take up the sword, accept when speaking of it in the spiritual warfare..so, again, it would be pointless to discuss this with you again. You see it one way, many christians see it another. In the end, we shall all reap what we sow, and I intend to sow love towards my enemies...if that is ok with you, my brother....;)

Quote:
There is huge deception these days.

peaceandlove,

janet

J4C, whos deceiving who?

I have already stated very clearly my case. I believe that your interpretation comes from a mindset that does not know how the law has been changed.

I must speak the truth, but, do not intend to offend you.
I was once offended, too, by someone whom spoke this same truth to me. I then searched out the difference between the old and new covennants, and it was God Himself that gave me the increase in understanding, and it is my opinion, that it is only HIM that can..so, that is why I have the opinion, to speak the truth, but let God give increase...it would do me no good to try to force this view on you...or anyone.




peaceandlove,

janet

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
(Eph 6:12-13)


How do you know that Yahweh didn't have a different means of rescuing the Jews, one that would of shown His direct might and power that would have brought the to see their Messiah, and that by picking up arms according to the flesh, men intervened?

I reject the gun-ho, lets get our weapons and kill them for christ version of christianity - way to similar to islam.


And He said to him, " 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.' "This is the great and foremost commandment. "The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."
(Mat 22:37-40)

"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.' "But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. "For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? "If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? "Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
(Mat 5:43-48)

Hard to love them with bullets and guns.

"By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
(Joh 13:35)

I see no love of Elohim in the gun-ho, lets kill them mindset.

Does the world witnessing this battling see christianity as more loving than islam, are they going to see good works and glorify Yahweh?


"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."
(Mat 28:19-20)

Hard to make disciples when we kill them.

This is our great calling

Amen.

We must come out of the world.

That includes the nation of the usa.

Why do christians in the west think that the usa is not a part of the world? Ye cannot serve two masters...according to Jesus.

peaceandlove,

janet

Quote:
Originally Posted by jewel4Christ http://bibleforums.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php?p=1717650#post1717650)
It will be shown for what it is...and, the only thing that will not be destroyed is the one holy nation God is for.....He does not need men to fight for Him in worldly ways..and, never did



Slug,

You know this would lead to a debate, and, I am simply not going to go that route that we did in the past...trying to prove to one another our own "interpretations". It is my aim to speak to all the same thing. Search out the difference between the old and new covenants individually, but, I will say once again, in a blanket statement that the old covenant is as different as the night is to day, and God has not changed, but, the way He deals with HIS PEOPLE HAS...and, it would be pointless to get into that debate again, in this thread. My whole understanding of God comes from understanding the difference between the old and the new covenant. How God worked with a carnal people and how He now has superceded that old way with a new and better way that the new itself explains, and why it was necessary. The law has been replaced, by a new and true spiritual intent, that is based on love. Love fulfills that which the old did not have contained in it, and many today do not seem to understand that very important aspect of the word of God. There has been a change in the commandments of God, whether most in the church today refuse to see it or not...that is my viewpoint.

Quote:
He could raise up legions of angels to do that, if that was His will.


NOwhere in the new covenant did God command any of His people to take up the sword, accept when speaking of it in the spiritual warfare..so, again, it would be pointless to discuss this with you again. You see it one way, many christians see it another. In the end, we shall all reap what we sow, and I intend to sow love towards my enemies...if that is ok with you, my brother....;)

Quote:
There is huge deception these days.

peaceandlove,

janet


I have already stated very clearly my case. I believe that your interpretation comes from a mindset that does not know how the law has been changed.

I must speak the truth, but, do not intend to offend you.
I was once offended, too, by someone whom spoke this same truth to me. I then searched out the difference between the old and new covennants, and it was God Himself that gave me the increase in understanding, and it is my opinion, that it is only HIM that can..so, that is why I have the opinion, to speak the truth, but let God give increase...it would do me no good to try to force this view on you...or anyone.




peaceandlove,

janet
Honestly Jewel and this is with my official Admin hat on. Stop with the "my blanket statement" stuff. You are simply trying to maintain some air of being up on some high road and ultimately you are simply talking down to folks. You aren't making blanket statements and you are debating. At least let's maintain some intellectual honesty in the thread. When you say stuff like "I must tell the truth" as if others are not telling the truth... then you are more than blanketing your statement.

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
(Eph 6:12-13)


How do you know that Yahweh didn't have a different means of rescuing the Jews, one that would of shown His direct might and power that would have brought the to see their Messiah, and that by picking up arms according to the flesh, men intervened?So we can assume anything we want I guess, what if it :lol:


I reject the gun-ho, lets get our weapons and kill them for christ version of christianity - way to similar to islam.But we don't do that now do we? Don't say we did cause "we" is you and me and all of us Chrsitian's "today". Not from yesterday many, many years ago that did have a twisted understanding.



And He said to him, " 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.' "This is the great and foremost commandment. "The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."
(Mat 22:37-40)

"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.' "But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. "For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? "If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? "Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
(Mat 5:43-48)

Hard to love them with bullets and guns.Hard to love them when terrorists of today are killing them. What kind of love are you showing by not defending people unable to defend themselves?

Killing is a tool used by God to set His will in motion and see His will be done. Murder is a tool used my satan to destroy and thwart God's will.


"By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
(Joh 13:35)

I see no love of Elohim in the gun-ho, lets kill them mindset.

Does the world witnessing this battling see christianity as more loving than islam, are they going to see good works and glorify Yahweh?Again, killing (God's use of) and murder (satan's use of) are two different things.



"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

(Mat 28:19-20)

Hard to make disciples when we kill them.

This is our great callingOnce again, hard to make disciples of people when terrorists are murdering them and men that God has chosen to defend against murderers refuse to kill the murderers. These murderers are thwarting God's desire to further His Kingdom through disciples as satan uses terrorists and the Islam people to go against God's will and the will for His people. So, that leaves those that God has chosen to use as Ministers of God and stop the murdering and this does mean to kill those murderers.