Let's say for sake of argument, God tells you to kill someone - a total stranger. You know nothing about her at all. What do you do?

(For those who would say, "God would never do that," I simply point to Abraham)

The situation with Abraham was different than your scenario for a variety of reasons. Abraham had a long history with God and knew Him and His voice. God made a promise to Abraham about his son Isaac --

Gen 17:19
Then God said: "No, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his descendants after him.
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Abraham knew God had promised that Isaac would have descendants. At the time Abraham offered Isaac, he didn't have any children or even a wife. Abraham believed that God was going to raise Isaac from the dead. We get insight about this here:

Heb 11:17-19
By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, 18 of whom it was said, "In Isaac your seed shall be called," 19 concluding that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead, from which he also received him in a figurative sense.
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God had a specific purpose in having Abraham offer up Isaac. It was to prefigure what God Himself was going to do thousands of years in the future, when God gave His only begotten Son to die for our sins. Jesus fulfilled what God showed to Abraham long before.

Gen 22:14
And Abraham called the name of the place, The-LORD-Will-Provide; as it is said to this day, "In the Mount of the LORD it shall be provided."
NKJV

That exact location is where Jesus was crucified for your sins and mine. This was the place where God provided salvation for you and for me.

If I heard a voice as if from God telling me to kill a perfect stranger, I would know it wasn't God and no, I wouldn't do it.

Havent we seen this today, people killing others and saying the Lord told me to do that.

We can take a look at the Muslims ,dont they believe they do God a service by killing others who they call infedels because they dont believe in Allah

but anyway here is some scripture that shows tht this will happen

John 16:1-3 These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.

They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

And these things will they do unto you,

because they have not known the Father, nor me.

God bless , hope this helps

Evang.dare

Let's say for sake of argument, God tells you to kill someone - a total stranger. You know nothing about her at all. What do you do?

(For those who would say, "God would never do that," I simply point to Abraham)
How would God, in this situation, let me know that it was God, and not a demon, or schizophrenia? Jesus tells me to love my enemies, to do good to those that hate me, to pray for those who despitefully use me. If some "voice" told me to do something against my conscience (I'm a vegan, so let's say in my case, "God" tells me to go kill a pregnant pig and drink her blood) I'd ignore it because it would be completely antithetical to scripture, and I would assume that I'd gone mad.

Let's say for sake of argument, God tells you to kill someone - a total stranger. You know nothing about her at all. What do you do?

(For those who would say, "God would never do that," I simply point to Abraham)

It's clear that you don't know much about Abraham or God.
Abraham was asked to sacrifice his son. Not a total stranger. Abraham knew the Lord well and so did his son. There is significance to who Abraham was asked to sacrifice as well as why he wasn't.

Let's say for sake of argument, God tells you to kill someone - a total stranger. You know nothing about her at all. What do you do?

(For those who would say, "God would never do that," I simply point to Abraham)

This happened throughout the old testament. God had the Israelites destroy entire nations but in EVERY case, it was for the protection of His chosen people.

Even after the crucifixion, Israel is central in God's ultimate plan. Iran will fall if they carry through on their threat toward Israel.

Would you not protect your family if threatened by a "total stranger" ? I would hope so.

The Abraham story is not relavant to your your claim.

Let's say for sake of argument, God tells you to kill someone - a total stranger. You know nothing about her at all. What do you do?

(For those who would say, "God would never do that," I simply point to Abraham)

Well, two things: (1) Isaac wasn't a her (2) Abraham knew what God has promised Him, he was also quite familiar with Isaac (being his father and all). I fail to see how your comparison is relevant.

God wouldn't ask me to kill a complete stranger.

Not one person actually answered the question?

Let's just say for sake of argument, that you KNOW it is God (in the same way the Israelites know it WAS God). That addresses the whole "It could be the Devil or I could be crazy" arguments.

Will anyone answer?

I can give u an answer, it may not be the one u are looking for.

Answer not a fool to his own folly lest ye become like him.....Prov.

You are portraying God as something other than what he is. Your questions is based upon a false assumption.
It deserves no answer, because it is not a correct question to ask.
Let's say that God tells you to jump off a cliff, would you do it? <heavy sigh>

Let's say for sake of argument, God tells you to kill someone - a total stranger. You know nothing about her at all. What do you do?

(For those who would say, "God would never do that," I simply point to Abraham)


The first thing you fail to recognize is that God Speaks to us through His Word and His Holy Spirit. His Spirit will not contradict His Word, and His word does not Contradict his Spirit. The Word tells us "Thous shalt not do murder." The particular scenario you describe is murder; thus we know that God would never tell us to murder. If a voice in your head told you to murder someone, you can rest assured that voice was not God.

Let's say for sake of argument, God tells you to kill someone - a total stranger. You know nothing about her at all. What do you do?

(For those who would say, "God would never do that," I simply point to Abraham)This is ridiculously easy to answer. If God really says to do it, it's not immoral. So what's the problem?

Not one person actually answered the question?

Let's just say for sake of argument, that you KNOW it is God (in the same way the Israelites know it WAS God). That addresses the whole "It could be the Devil or I could be crazy" arguments.

Will anyone answer?


God does not contradict His Word. That is your answer.

"A fool saith in his heart there is no God."

This is ridiculously easy to answer. If God really says to do it, it's not immoral. So what's the problem?

Thanks. I was looking for that honest answer. I mean if you are a Christian I think you have to answer this way. God = decides what is moral. If He says do it, you do it.

I mean look in the O.T. They killed that guy for gathering sticks on the Sabbath. I forget the book its in but you guys know what I am talking about. So let's use that example since people were quoting the Commandment about killing.

Obviously its ok to kill someone for gathering sticks on the Sabbath. Actually its more than ok. It would be immoral not to, if God told you to do so. Is everyone in agreement on this?

Obviously its ok to kill someone for gathering sticks on the Sabbath. Actually its more than ok. It would be immoral not to, if God told you to do so. Is everyone in agreement on this?It was OK on that occasion, but not today. Attempting to pigeonhole Biblical stories and use them for sweeping generalizations like this is something that will accomplish nothing for you. You are ignoring the circumstances of the time that led to that particular occurrence.

Do you really want to waste your time losing a debate over something like this that means nothing today, or would you rather talk about where your eternal destiny lies and use your time for something productive?

Let's say for sake of argument, God tells you to kill someone - a total stranger. You know nothing about her at all. What do you do?

(For those who would say, "God would never do that," I simply point to Abraham)
For the sake of giving you the answer you want..

First lets be clear on the premise.

First. It would have to ABSOLUTELY, without any doubt, definitely be God. Assuming that it was 100% established through some incontrovertible evidence, then
second, I would do what God ordered me to do.
However....
We could get into all kinds of debates about HOW to know if it was God speaking and there is no way I can think of to resolve that debate in this thread. Also, if God told me to do it I would wonder why he couldn't do it himself, so again I find doubts,.

We could have all kinds of discussions on the "maybes" like:
"I need to test you",
or
"he is doing evil and I need him to die but I want to use his death to get you into a prison so I can have you witness to someone" etc.. But maybe and possibly wont work for your question.

So the end it if all your premises are straightforward then yes. But they aren't so NO.

[quote=RationalMind;1834974]Thanks. I was looking for that honest answer. I mean if you are a Christian I think you have to answer this way. God = decides what is moral. If He says do it, you do it.

I mean look in the O.T. They killed that guy for gathering sticks on the Sabbath. I forget the book its in but you guys know what I am talking about. So let's use that example since people were quoting the Commandment about killing.

Obviously its ok to kill someone for gathering sticks on the Sabbath. Actually its more than ok. It would be immoral not


Sorry wrong post..
Evang.dare

Not one person actually answered the question?

Let's just say for sake of argument, that you KNOW it is God (in the same way the Israelites know it WAS God). That addresses the whole "It could be the Devil or I could be crazy" arguments.

Will anyone answer?

I did answer the question. Did you read my post?

Not one person actually answered the question?

Let's just say for sake of argument, that you KNOW it is God (in the same way the Israelites know it WAS God). That addresses the whole "It could be the Devil or I could be crazy" arguments.

Will anyone answer?

Your questions were answered several times. Will you answer our questions ?

I am always amazed at the childish arguments unbelievers make when they take scripture out of context. If I read the last few pages of The Great Gatsby, Gone with the Wind, Romeo & Juliet or Grapes of Wrath - I would walk away with some silly conclusions. I'm guessing when you go before Him -as we all will someday - you will use this misunderstanding of scripture as an excuse for why you didn't accept Christ ??

Your questions were answered several times. Will you answer our questions ?

I am always amazed at the childish arguments unbelievers make when they take scripture out of context. If I read the last few pages of The Great Gatsby, Gone with the Wind, Romeo & Juliet or Grapes of Wrath - I would walk away with some silly conclusions. I'm guessing when you go before Him -as we all will someday - you will use this misunderstanding of scripture as an excuse for why you didn't accept Christ ??

Excuse me. You are resorting to name calling now? ("childish argument") My question was more of a philosophical one and did not rest on any particular piece of scripture. I can be reduced even further:

Would you do whatever God told you to do, no matter what?


Its not a hard question, is it?

Would you do whatever God told you to do, no matter what?

And the answer is yes. Soren Kierkegaard called it a 'teleological suspension of the ethical'.

And the answer is yes. Soren Kierkegaard called it a 'teleological suspension of the ethical'.

Thank you for the direct answer. And so it logically follows that if God told you to kill a stranger, or sacrifice your child to him (son, daughter, seven sons, whatever), or destroy a city, you would do it without reservation because all morals flow from God and no external moral calculus can be conducted.

Not one person actually answered the question?

Let's just say for sake of argument, that you KNOW it is God (in the same way the Israelites know it WAS God). That addresses the whole "It could be the Devil or I could be crazy" arguments.

Will anyone answer?
The thing is... your question can only possibly work in an imaginary land where "God" is not God. God is the quintessence of morality and goodness. Therefore He's not going to ask me to do anything immoral. Your question, quite simply, makes no sense. You forget that we already KNOW that we are in communication with God, and we know what He sounds like.

If you kept asking, "but what does blue taste like" or "what shape is the smell of grass" we wouldn't be able to answer you either - unless we had the same form of synesthesia as the questioner.

Your idea of God is faulty, therefore your question makes no sense. We can't answer it, because your question is not about God, it's about how you imagine God might be. Not the same thing.

The thing is... your question can only possibly work in an imaginary land where "God" is not God. God is the quintessence of morality and goodness. Therefore He's not going to ask me to do anything immoral. Your question, quite simply, makes no sense. You forget that we already KNOW that we are in communication with God, and we know what He sounds like.

If you kept asking, "but what does blue taste like" or "what shape is the smell of grass" we wouldn't be able to answer you either - unless we had the same form of synesthesia as the questioner.

Your idea of God is faulty, therefore your question makes no sense. We can't answer it, because your question is not about God, it's about how you imagine God might be. Not the same thing.

Ok two things:

1) If you know you communicate with God, please explain how it happens. Do you actually hear a voice from him? I mean, the people in the Bible actually heard His voice, so I think this is a legitimate question.

2) God killed people in the Bible. I mean, it happened, again, according to the BIBLE. She told his people to kill someone for picking up sticks on the Sabbath. He killed that one guy for 'spilling his seed' and not impregnating his sister-in-law. He killed all the people in the flood. He killed those five guys who opened the arc of the covenant (and thousands more people too) just because they worshipped him in the wrong way. He told his people to destroy entire civilizations. He sent that she-bear to kill the 42 youths.

So I think you are ignoring the Bible when you just brush off the question and say, "He wouldn't tell me to do that." What if God told you, "That man over there is not righteous and has disobeyed me and you must kill him?" Would it help if God explained why he was asking you to do it? If so, are you saying you would only follow God's commands if he explained them to your satisfaction?

Would you do whatever God told you to do, no matter what?

Its not a hard question, is it?I've already answered. When are you going to answer my question? Do you really want to waste time on this or do you want to talk about your eternal destiny?

Perhaps one of the best illustrations of an answer to your question is the story of Jonah. God told him to go and preach to Nineveh, and he ran the other way. God followed him, created a storm, prepared a fish, etc. God had chosen Jonah to do a certain job, and He didn't take no for an answer.

Jonah eventually did what God wanted him to do, but with a bitter spirit, and then was angry when the Ninevites repented in sackcloth and ashes, and were forgiven by God.

Just because God wants us to do something does not mean we automatically go and do it, like little robots. We often rebelliously go the other way because we don't like God's plan. Like Jonah, we don't like those awful Ninevites, and we want God to destroy them. God has a different view. He wants people to repent and turn to Him, so that He does not have to destroy them.

I have at times in my life, known that God wanted me to go a certain way and I closed my ears to Him and ran the other way. Like Jonah, I suffered the consequences. God followed after me. Like Jonah, I eventually surrendered to God and began to follow Him. But unlike Jonah, I am not walking in bitterness of spirit but in great joy. The reason for my joy, is that I have learned that God's plan is infinitely better than the one I had for myself. He has blessed me so much, and I am so grateful.

I have learned to know God by reading His love letters to me (the Bible) and getting to know His character, His ways, His thoughts as He has revealed them in His Word.

When God speaks to me and I know clearly that He is the one who is speaking, I will make all efforts to bend my will to obey Him.

Sometimes I must be like Gideon, who could hardly believe that God wanted him to go to war against the raiders who came every year to steal the grain. Gideon asked for evidence twice, once for a fleece to be dry in a dewy night, and second for the fleece to be wet in a dry night. God gave him the evidence that he needed. Then as they drew near to battle, God allowed Gideon to hear the enemy tell a dream, which was another evidence to Gideon that God had truly spoken to him.

Thus you see that it is not quite so simple, so cut and dried as your question demands. Serving God is not easy, but it is very difficult sometimes. Even when we really want to obey Him, we must often struggle with our own prejudices and fears.

But if God calls me to do something today, I will make every effort to bend my will to obey Him. Even if He calls me into battle.

Not one person actually answered the question?

Let's just say for sake of argument, that you KNOW it is God (in the same way the Israelites know it WAS God). That addresses the whole "It could be the Devil or I could be crazy" arguments.

Will anyone answer?
... You will need to reframe your question and this time do a little research because your question does not serve any real function nor does it account for any known property of God.

What your desire is from reading all your post pointing your sinful finger at a Righteous Holy Just God is to convince God's children that we serve a sinful God


That is your aim and goal for us to really believe that and confess such wickedness as this

You didnt come in here seeking for truth

because you have done nothing but reject the truth of God's Word

You want to call God a liar and murderer like the one you serve , satan

But our God is nothing but

RIGHTEOUS

HOLY

AND JUST

And for you to come into God's house here

yes God's house and point that sinful finger in the nose of this Righteous Holy Just God in His house

you have some nerve

some nerve

which boils down to the fact of your sinful depravity

and having no fear of the Lord

and like I stated earlier, you dont wont truth

you have snubbed your nose at the truth since you have been here

God's Word is truth

and you are trying to take God's Word and twist it into something you want

A LIE AND THT MAKES GOD A LIAR

And if that wasnt good enough for you, you wanted to make our Lord out to be a COLD HEARTED MURDERER LIKE THE ONE YOU SERVE AND HAVE CHOSEN TO CONTINUE TO SERVE

satan

as far as this preacher is concerned I will not read anymore of your blasphemous words against our Lord

I WILL NOT


You are of your father the devil and the works of your father you will do


In Christ' Service:bible:
Evang.dare

Let's say for sake of argument, God tells you to kill someone - a total stranger. You know nothing about her at all. What do you do?

(For those who would say, "God would never do that," I simply point to Abraham)

If I was 100% sure it was God telling me to do this, I would do it. After all, He is God and therefore cannot do anything immoral. The perceived immorality would be just that - a perception, but an inadequate and inaccurate one. Thus, to disobey Him would be immoral and to obey Him would be moral.

One other thing to add:

If you're asking if we knew with 100% certainty that it was God and He was asking us to do something that is 100% immoral (say, He asks us to disobey Him, which is itself also a logical contradiction, not just an ethical one), then everyone here is justified in dodging your question. Your question would be the equivalent to:

If you could marry a man/woman that licks his/her own elbow, would you?

Now, assuming that the myth is true (that we cannot lick our own elbows), the question becomes irrelevant because a human who can lick his/her own elbow doesn't exist. Thus, people would dodge the question because there's no point to it - it's nonsensical.

Likewise, if you're asking if a moral God could ask us to do something absolutely immoral, this too is a nonsensical question. You're asking us if we would obey someone that simply doesn't exist.

I think this thread is pretty much a pointless conversation personally. The original post asked the question and then asked us to box God in, with the caveat ''for the sake of arguement.''

There is no point in discussing something that God, clearly, would not ask us to do.

We may as well discuss scuba diving on the moon.

The REAL QUESTION being asked wasn't 'if God told you would you?'
The real question was; 'would you compromise your knowledge of The Father in order to dicuss this issue.

I'm going to agree with the above and with that, this thread is closed.