Do Christians really think that all non-Christians are immoral? I thought I'd reached an understand of this, in that Christians define "morality" to include "following God", and given that definition of course non-Christians are immoral. I was taken aback by this post on another thread though, suggesting that non-Christians have no sense of morality what-so-ever:


If [God] isn't there you can save yourself a lot of time. Instead of being in here talking to us you can go out and do drugs, or have sex, even have sex with a married women or any number of things that without GOD are no longer immoral! WHOOOEEEEE!


Was this just in jest, or only Dragonfigher1 opinion; or is this really what Christians think of non-Christians?

Firstly i know nothing about the member who posted your quote. We are all at different stages of faith, some people here may have found Jesus yesterday. They may be enthusiastic, but not have read the whole of the bible - still have a few old thoughts.

But the point behind what they say has truth in it, although many will express it better than i can.

I would never suggest anyone went out and commited sin. The point seems to be that our faith/ hope is in Jesus Christ. We accept his perfect life, death on the cross and ressurrection for our personal sin.

No one can gain eternal life through Works/ being good. We are all sinners. Therefore to live a 'good' life by the standards of non believers (or even biblical standards) is not going to help in the long run - if Jesus Christ is not in your heart & mind constantly.

However, many come to faith by the example/ witness of believers. Attending church, bible groups or just fun days/ church events.

I would prefer to assume a position of saying to a non believer - God approves of many good things you do. But have you ever considered how you know they are 'good'? Perhaps you have memories from childhood of church or school teaching the bible. Or your parents or grand parents? Do they realise many laws in many countries are bible based?

Rather than saying you're wasting your time - saying lets see if you can build on a good begining.



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Christians and non-Christians both make moral choices.

Yes, real morality is simply following God, so Christians would probably do that much more than non-Christians. With that said, non-Christians would be able to make the same choices, and certainly do. They just have no logical reason to do so.

I don't say that you can't choose to act morally in a given situation, but I do believe that you have no reason for doing so, unless its God.

There's a C.S. Lewis quote from "Mere Christianity" that explains this quite well, but I cannot locate a copy of it at the moment. Read that book. It's cheap and only about a hundred pages, it'll answer a bunch of questions like this.

Keep searching, if you seek you will find.

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Christopher

Do Christians really think that all non-Christians are immoral? I thought I'd reached an understand of this, in that Christians define "morality" to include "following God", and given that definition of course non-Christians are immoral. I was taken aback by this post on another thread though, suggesting that non-Christians have no sense of morality what-so-ever:



Was this just in jest, or only Dragonfigher1 opinion; or is this really what Christians think of non-Christians?

I don't think that just because someone is a non-Christian, he/she is immoral.

But Christians base their standards of morality upon God's revelation of His holiness, which we find in His dealings with mankind recorded in the Bible and in his laws which He revealed to mankind, also recorded in the Bible.

I've heard many non-Christians say that morality changes with culture and time, and what is considered moral here today may be considered immoral somehwere else or at a later time. This is what Christians would call the treacherous, shifting sands of a changinf morality.

Not all Christians live perfectly moral lives, either. Many Christians slip-up and fall into temptation - our temptations are the same as the temptations non-Christians face, because man is man.

But someone who truly believes in Jesus Christ is going to have a very deep sense of guilt for immorailty. This isn't to say that no non-Christian would have a sense of guilt, even a deep sense of guilt - but the Christians' sense of guilt comes from having experienced a personal relatiosnhip with God, who is absolutely holy (a young man whose father is very good, moral, and loving will have a deeper sense of guilt for an immoral act committed than a young man whose father's standards weren't all that high).

ananias

Do Christians really think that all non-Christians are immoral? I thought I'd reached an understand of this, in that Christians define "morality" to include "following God", and given that definition of course non-Christians are immoral. I was taken aback by this post on another thread though, suggesting that non-Christians have no sense of morality what-so-ever:

Was this just in jest, or only Dragonfigher1 opinion; or is this really what Christians think of non-Christians?




This quote is taken completely out of context. I object to it being used in this manner!

The context was that if there is no God from whence comes the concept of morality to begin with. Morality is not just following God.... It is a heck of a lot more inclusive than that.

Of course I wasn't serious! Good Grief!

ON the other hand. If there is no logical justification for morales except majority opinion then we musy accept that womens rights were not unduly withheld as the majority (of men) said that it was moral to withhold the right to vote etc...

Morality cannot come from majorities it must come from an absolute, or objective truth.

Else it is just opinion

is this really what Christians think of non-Christians?


Hello wanders;


Abram was a non-Christian, the story before Abram appeared was Bable tower in Genesis 11, so Abram came from that background, till we read Terah the father of Abram died and:

Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. Genesis 12:1-3.

Thus Abram being a gentile was called.

Go well

Some of the most moral people i know arent Christian. The crux of the matter is not how moral you are, but your basis for making moral claims. If someone claims that stealing or murder (or anything) is wrong then they need to back that up.

The Christian view of morality is that morals come from God. Murder for example is wrong because it is destroying an image of God. Whereas, i have yet to find firm reasoning why a non-christian can justifiably consider some things wrong over others.