It has been said that Adam, had laid down his life for his wife.
He may not have put Eve before God, but he may have put Eve before himself.

Had Adam not taken of the fruit, would Eve have been saved?

I am not persuaded, but what are your thoughts on this?

Both Moses and Paul, have said that (if it were possible) they would be cut off for the sake of the brethren.

I have never heard this before.

i would say yes, Sin entered through Adam, so it was not til he ate that the judgement came.... death didnt come until he ate... plus paul later tells us that the woman is saved during child bearing, i forget where, timothy or titus...

Adam was not decieved he was willing to go through what ever Eve was going to go through. Love is blind. That is why women in power over men is forbidden because men would serve the women over the Lord just as Adam did. God is no dummy.:rofl::o :B

In fact God tells us through Paul's writings it is better not to marry if you can help it. :eek: Sorry ladies it's all true you are bad trouble.:rofl::kiss:

Adam was not decieved he was willing to go through what ever Eve was going to go through. Love is blind. That is why women in power over men is forbidden because men would serve the women over the Lord just as Adam did. God is no dummy.:rofl::o :B

In fact God tells us through Paul's writings it is better not to marry if you can help it. :eek: Sorry ladies it's all true you are bad trouble.:rofl::kiss:

I think you may be mistaken about Paul. There are many people that believe he could possibly have been married himself. You are right about the ladies being troubel though. Except my wife, she's perfect.:)

I think you may be mistaken about Paul. There are many people that believe he could possibly have been married himself. You are right about the ladies being troubel though. Except my wife, she's perfect.:)

Nice save ;) hehehehehe

In fact God tells us through Paul's writings it is better not to marry if you can help it. :eek: Sorry ladies it's all true you are bad trouble.:rofl::kiss:

Context is the key to understanding Paul's reply letter to the Corinthian Church in 1 cor 7:1-2. "1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me(they wrote to Paul first, asking him about proper sexual conduct): It is good for a man not to touch(haptomai) a woman. 2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."



(ἅπτομαι)haptomai
1) to fasten one's self to, adhere to, cling to
a) to touch
b) of carnal intercourse with a women or cohabitation
c) of levitical practice of having no fellowship with heathen practices. Things not to be touched appear to be both women and certain kinds of food, so celibacy and abstinence of certain kinds of food and drink are recommended.
d) to touch, assail anyone


Paul was answering a question from the Corinthian Church about
proper sexual conduct. They wrote to him first, and he replied back to them with his 1 Cor 7 letter. Context is always the key to understanding scripture. 1 Cor 7 is not "anti-marriage" at all. Paul is "pro-marriage."

[quote=Partaker of Christ;1897517]Did Adam lay down his life for his wife? [\quote]
Eve was the first one to eat of it, but Adam was the one accountable to God, not Eve.

Adam would not need to lay his life down for his wife because she was accountable to her husband, Adam, not God.
Eve was deceived but Adam must have wanted to eat of it in the first place, otherwise he would have stopped his wife from sinning.(1Tim 2:14)

Secondly, Adam would have stoped her from eating it in the first place if he realy didn't want to eat it.

[quote=Partaker of Christ;1897517]Did Adam lay down his life for his wife? [\quote]
Eve was the first one to eat of it, but Adam was the one accountable to God, not Eve.

Adam would not need to lay his life down for his wife because she was accountable to her husband, Adam, not God.
Eve was deceived but Adam must have wanted to eat of it in the first place, otherwise he would have stopped his wife from sinning.(1Tim 2:14)

Secondly, Adam would have stoped her from eating it in the first place if he realy didn't want to eat it.

I'm not sure we know where Adam was when Eve first ate. The Bible doesn't specify, and there are those who believe that Adam was not present at that moment.

As far as Adam laying down his life...I've heard that, too, and honestly, I don't believe so. You will notice that the curse did not come into effect until they both ate. Perhaps if Adam had chosen not to eat, then the curse wouldn;t have taken effect.

I really think that things would have turned out a lot differently if Adam had gone straight to God, and asked Him for forgiveness on behalf of his wife, rather than giving in. After all, wasn't he appointed the spiritual leader over her?

Has anyone ever thought of the possibility that Adam gave in simply because he saw his wife had not been cursed at that point, and so decided to take God's words a little less seriously? Perhaps at that point he thought that God had been exaggerating. After all, the curse did not come into effect until they both ate.

Nah - Adam saw her slipping away, and decided to follow her instead of God. And when God showed up and they became fully aware that they were "undone" - Adam blamed the whole thing on Eve, and then tossed it in God's face and blamed HIM for hanging this foolish woman on him to lead him astray. Read it for yourself.

The only thing that "Laid down it's life" in the garden that day were the animals that God killed to hide the human's shame.

What Paul or Moses did or didn't do isn't related.

It has been said that Adam, had laid down his life for his wife.
He may not have put Eve before God, but he may have put Eve before himself.

Had Adam not taken of the fruit, would Eve have been saved?

I am not persuaded, but what are your thoughts on this?

Both Moses and Paul, have said that (if it were possible) they would be cut off for the sake of the brethren.

Just another perspective....I don't think Eve sinned. (At least, I don't think she did) The command was given to Adam not to eat of the tree. He no doubt told her the command...but it wasn't given to her by YHWH, it was given to Adam by YHWH. This is why the curse is not mentioned until Adam eats of the apple. Their eyes were not opened when Eve ate, their eyes were opened when Adam ate. He broke the direct command.

Peace.
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Thanks for the replies!

As for Eve did not sin:
We know she was deceived, but still there is consequences of action. She may have been forgiven, but she would still have had to die. God said; in the day that you eat, you shall surely die.

Being forgiven does not necessarily mean, that we will escape consequences. The thief on the cross was forgiven, but he still had to die for what he did. If I bump someone's car, I may be forgiven, but I may still have to pay for damages.

I cannot think that Adam was there at this time. He would have stopped her, and corrected her to what God really did say. God did not say 'do not touch'

And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
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Not sure about the first Adam laying down his life for his wife.. The first Adam who was made a living soul...

But this I know for sure.. the 2nd Adam.. Jesus the Christ.. sure did... He layed it down perfectly for His children on that bloody tree...... The 2nd Adam was made a 'quickening' Spirit.. allowing that 'way' back to the Father.. and only thru Him..

Where the first Adam failed.. the 2nd Adam did not.. but did it Perfectly..and is now Seated in Glory and will return with all Glory and Power..

And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
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Not sure about the first Adam laying down his life for his wife.. The first Adam who was made a living soul...

But this I know for sure.. the 2nd Adam.. Jesus the Christ.. sure did... He layed it down perfectly for His children on that bloody tree...... The 2nd Adam was made a 'quickening' Spirit.. allowing that 'way' back to the Father.. and only thru Him..

Where the first Adam failed.. the 2nd Adam did not.. but did it Perfectly..and is now Seated in Glory and will return with all Glory and Power..

:agree: AMEN! ! ! Very well said.

My personal opinion is that because Adam KNEW what the consequences would be he ate so that Eve would not be alone.

Has anyone ever thought of the possibility that Adam gave in simply because he saw his wife had not been cursed at that point, and so decided to take God's words a little less seriously? Perhaps at that point he thought that God had been exaggerating. After all, the curse did not come into effect until they both ate.


I don't think he thought God was exagerrating..as Adam hadn't been deceived by the serpent all the time while he was in the Garden. Not sure why he made the decision he did. Perhaps to please Eve? Whatever the case it's definitely an interesting topic to discuss. Adam was ultimately deemed liable for his disobedience, not Eve.