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mdo757
Dec 14th 2008, 10:11 PM
Isaiah 18 Bible Commentary.
ISAIAH Chapter 18
1. Woe to the land of spinning wings, beyond the rivers of Cush;
2. That sends ambassadors by sea, in wooden vessels upon the waters. Go quickly you messengers and speak to a tall and smooth skin people, to a nation violent from their beginning onward; a strong and conquering nation, whose land is divided by waters.
3. All you inhabitants of the world living upon the earth; Look and listen when he lifts up a banner on the mountain, and when he blows the trumpet.
4. Yahwah said to me, I will remain silent, and I will consider in my dwelling place like a heat wave in the sunlight, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest.
5. For before the harvest, when the blossom is gone, and the bud is ripening into young grapes, He shall cut off both the sprigs and cut down the branches with pruning hooks and take them away.
6. They shall be left to the gathering birds of the mountains, and to the beasts of the earth; the birds shall summer upon them, and the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them.
7. In that time a gift shall be brought to Yahwah Almighty, by a tall and smooth skin people, from a nation violent from their beginning onward; a strong and conquering nation, whose land is divided by waters, to a place named for Yahwah Almighty, Mount Zion.


1. Spinning, buzzing, whirling, twirling and shadowing wings. The point to be made here is that any of these words are acceptable in the translation. The point being that the wings are in motion and that it is being used to help personally identify that nation along with other key points.

2. Beyond. The N.I.V bible translation (along) instead of (beyond) is in error. The subject nation is across the seas. Zephaniah 3:10 repeats part of Isaiah 18.

3. Cush or Kush is now days called Ethiopia.

4. Ambassadors or envoys. This is also key to the identification of that nation that sends ambassadors by sea.

5. Wooden. The word wooden is used in place of the words bulrushes and papyrus. Strongís bible dictionary attributes bulrushes as (papyrus), a plant used to make a wood pulp to build small boats or make paper. The word wooden is an interpretation and not a translation.

6. Tall. The King James Bible does not use the word tall in its translation. The word tall is important in the identification of that nation.

7. Smooth skin. The King James Bible translation is ďscattered and peeledĒ, and the words can be translated that way. However the correct choice is smooth skin. Smooth skin means meek. Itís the opposite of being callus. What is being said is, go to the meek of that nation.

8. Conquering. The King James in verse two uses the words (meted out) and (trodden down). The word meted means also measure out. It should have used the word tall for the translation. Also the words (trodden down) should have been translated to conquering.

9. Divided. The King James uses the word (spoiled), who knows why. The word should have been translated (divided). The correct translation of any bible word or verse is very important for correctly understanding what is being said.

10. And 11.Banner and trumpet. The word is (shofar), a horn. The word trumpet was used as an acceptable translation. Banner, flag or ensign are all acceptable translations.

The seven branch menorah was designed by Yahwah as a national symbol. It was shown to Moses so it could be made for the sanctuary of earth.

Psalm 60:4. You have given a banner to them that fear you, that it may be displayed because of the truth. Selah.

12. Grapes and branches. Both of these words have a symbolic meaning.

13. Lord. That title is used in place of Gods personal name Yahwah.

14. Mount Zion. See Hebrews 12:22. and Revelation 14:1. There are also other places in the bible that are related to this subject Mount Zion or Zion.

This is the interpretation.
Woe is for the sorrows that will come upon that nation in the last days.
There are five key points in the identification of that nation. Number one is spinning wings. Number two, they sent ambassadors by sea in wooden vessels. Number three, the people are tall. Number four, they have a violent beginning for that nation and onward. And number five, that nations land is divided by its waters. America is that nation!

Spinning wings represents air craft for which America is famous for. Sending ambassadors by sea in boats is a historical fact after America became a new nation. American people are among the tallest of the nations. America had a violent beginning and has continued in violence throughout its history, whereas other nations have had long periods of peace. No other place in the world is more divided by its waters than America. America uses its waterways to divide nation from states, states from counties, counties from cities, and cities from towns.

All of these things that I have said here are a matter of fact and not my opinion. In regards to verse four, were God says He will consider in His dwelling place like a cloud of due in the heat of harvest: This means; by His righteousness he will judge the harvest. In verse five, the words grapes and branches are used symbolically for the people of the world.
When a person studies the bible they are in a search for clues. Also a person needs to know that some words can be translated differently. Example: Isaiah 18. The king James translates one verse as the people being (scattered and peeled). However the N.I.V translates the same verse as (smooth skin) people. Those Hebrew words can be translated either way. Now a people of a nation can be scattered, but they cannot be peeled. So the next question would be what does smooth skin mean. Thatís easy, because itís a phrase we use this day. Itís the opposite of being callus; it means meek. So therefore the verse is saying go to the meek of a violent nation.

Now while other nations have had opportunities for long periods of peace, America has not since its beginning. In history it is a known fact that after America became a nation; it sent ambassadors by ships all over the world.
Also, if a person was to study a map of Americaís borders they would find that no other place in the world is more divided by its water ways. In regards to the terms spinning or shadowing of wings, America was the first to develop aircraft. And America is a nation that is beyond the rivers of Cush; now called Ethiopia.

Notice here how Zephaniah repeats part of Isaiah 18.
Zephaniah 3
9 "Then will I purify the lips of the peoples, that all of them may call on the name of Yahwah and serve him shoulder to shoulder.
10 From beyond the rivers of Cush my worshipers, my scattered people, will bring me offerings.
11 On that day you will not be put to shame for all the wrongs you have done to me, because I will remove from this city those who rejoice in their pride. Never again will you be haughty on my holy hill.
12 But I will leave within you the meek and humble, who trust in the name of Yahwah.

After I had made my first post on Isaiah 18, and after it was on the internet for some time, Hal Lindsey on TBN spoke on May 02, 2001. Hal stated that he did not believe Isaiah 18 is about America. Although Hal is a good Christian man, he has been wrong in the past.

DurbanDude
Dec 16th 2008, 07:17 AM
I have heard another interpretation from an Afrikaner of South Africa. Afrikaners are mainly of Dutch descent (German and French as well). They are tall - the Dutch being the tallest nation on earth. South Africa is literally a "land beyond Cush". Cush is northern Africa. Beyond Cush from an Israel perspective is further South from Cush. The word "peeled" or "smooth" could refer to the relative paleness and sun sensitivity of the European descendants compared to Jews and Africans. The description identifies these people from beyond Cush to have defining skins compared to the other tribes beyond Cush.

The Afrikaner has been established in Africa through many wars, with local tribes , and 2 wars with England. Ruthless wars of wholesale murder in concentration camps. Large portions of the Afrikaner women and children were starved there by the British soldiers, who couldn't win the war without stopping the wives from running the farms. The Afrikaner wives used to supply the Afrikaner soldiers (Boers) with supplies. So they just removed the women from the farms and starved them in the camps.

Most lands are divided by rivers, so I don't know where that comes in. South Africa has a few large rivers dividing the land , but then so does Congo ,and USA as well.

Because the roads in Africa are bad , helicopters are a very common form of swift warfare in Africa. South Africans who were trained under the white apartheid government are a large source of security and mercenary soldiers in Africa (eg did you see the movie Blood Diamond) and around the world. For example there are many South Africans as independant security in Iraq at the moment. Whirling wings - helicopter warfare.

South Africa is a very Christian God-fearing nation. For example at a recent Christian men's conference on a farm many miles from the nearest city there were 60 000 men for a weekend.

Some may not believe in the significance of modern day prophecies, but there have been many prophecies of the stabilisation of Africa to come from the south, and South Africa to be a Christian haven at the endtimes.

I am not saying if I agree or disagree with this interpretation of Isaiah, just an alternative view that I have heard, that the Afrikaner will have a second chance to influence Africa, and this time will take up their role of influence in a positive way instead of the racial mess of Apartheid. The modern prophecies say that this will happen soon, possibly before South Africa hosts the Soccer world Cup in 2010.

http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesSouthAfrica.html

mdo757
Dec 16th 2008, 10:13 AM
I have heard another interpretation from an Afrikaner of South Africa. Afrikaners are mainly of Dutch descent (German and French as well). They are tall - the Dutch being the tallest nation on earth. South Africa is literally a "land beyond Cush". Cush is northern Africa. Beyond Cush from an Israel perspective is further South from Cush. The word "peeled" or "smooth" could refer to the relative paleness and sun sensitivity of the European descendants compared to Jews and Africans. The description identifies these people from beyond Cush to have defining skins compared to the other tribes beyond Cush.
Well that is interesting, but I dont think it is a match for Isaiah 18.

Romulus
Dec 16th 2008, 07:44 PM
Why not see Isaiah 18 in a time, not thousands of years later but in the time it was written? I don't believe this has anything to do with our present time.

Back in 715 B.C. the founder of the 25th dynasty was an Ethiopian named Shabako. He had power over Ethiopia and Egypt. In the time of Isaiah, Ethiopia was a world power. They historically were a major threat to the existing Assyrian empire. The prophecy concerns the then mighty Ethiopian dynasty that had control until 633 B.C

Judah was caught in the middle of the conflict between the Ethiopian and Assyrian Empires. God is stating for Judah not to trust in Judah but in Him. In His time He will deal with the Assyrian Empire with no help from Ethiopia. He then states that their will be a time when the Ethiopian will worship in Mount Zion. This was fulfilled when the Ethiopian was converted by Philip in the Acts.

I don't see any reason to throw this into the 21st century when it was occurring in the time of Isaiah.

mdo757
Dec 16th 2008, 07:52 PM
Why not see Isaiah 18 in a time, not thousands of years later but in the time it was written? I don't believe this has anything to do with our present time.

Back in 715 B.C. the founder of the 25th dynasty was an Ethiopian named Shabako. He had power over Ethiopia and Egypt. In the time of Isaiah, Ethiopia was a world power. They historically were a major threat to the existing Assyrian empire. The prophecy concerns the then mighty Ethiopian dynasty that had control until 633 B.C

Judah was caught in the middle of the conflict between the Ethiopian and Assyrian Empires. God is stating for Judah not to trust in Judah but in Him. In His time He will deal with the Assyrian Empire with no help from Ethiopia. He then states that their will be a time when the Ethiopian will worship in Mount Zion. This was fulfilled when the Ethiopian was converted by Philip in the Acts.

I don't see any reason to throw this into the 21st century when it was occurring in the time of Isaiah. If you look very close at the way the scripture is worded, you will see that it is in regards to the time just before the 1000 year reign of Messiah, and just after.

Romulus
Dec 16th 2008, 09:19 PM
If you look very close at the way the scripture is worded, you will see that it is in regards to the time just before the 1000 year reign of Messiah, and just after.


Where specifically to you see this taking place before the Millenial Reign? I don't see anything grammatically to suggest this. Plus it is taking the audience relevance away and casting it thousands of years later. What message would that send to Isaiah's audience?

mdo757
Dec 16th 2008, 10:30 PM
Where specifically to you see this taking place before the Millennial Reign? I don't see anything grammatically to suggest this. Plus it is taking the audience relevance away and casting it thousands of years later. What message would that send to Isaiah's audience? The parable of the "Harvest" in Isaiah verse 5 is in regards to the harvest of the world. The resurrection of the Elect. In Zephaniah 3:12 it speaks of the meek and humble being left for the 1000 year reign of the Messiah.

iconoclast2012
Jan 22nd 2009, 01:34 PM
Isaiah 18 Bible Commentary.
ISAIAH Chapter 18
1. Woe to the land of spinning wings, beyond the rivers of Cush;
2. That sends ambassadors by sea, in wooden vessels upon the waters. Go quickly you messengers and speak to a tall and smooth skin people, to a nation violent from their beginning onward; a strong and conquering nation, whose land is divided by waters.
3. All you inhabitants of the world living upon the earth; Look and listen when he lifts up a banner on the mountain, and when he blows the trumpet.
4. Yahwah said to me, I will remain silent, and I will consider in my dwelling place like a heat wave in the sunlight, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest.
5. For before the harvest, when the blossom is gone, and the bud is ripening into young grapes, He shall cut off both the sprigs and cut down the branches with pruning hooks and take them away.
6. They shall be left to the gathering birds of the mountains, and to the beasts of the earth; the birds shall summer upon them, and the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them.
7. In that time a gift shall be brought to Yahwah Almighty, by a tall and smooth skin people, from a nation violent from their beginning onward; a strong and conquering nation, whose land is divided by waters, to a place named for Yahwah Almighty, Mount Zion.


1. Spinning, buzzing, whirling, twirling and shadowing wings. The point to be made here is that any of these words are acceptable in the translation. The point being that the wings are in motion and that it is being used to help personally identify that nation along with other key points.

2. Beyond. The N.I.V bible translation (along) instead of (beyond) is in error. The subject nation is across the seas. Zephaniah 3:10 repeats part of Isaiah 18.

3. Cush or Kush is now days called Ethiopia.

4. Ambassadors or envoys. This is also key to the identification of that nation that sends ambassadors by sea.

5. Wooden. The word wooden is used in place of the words bulrushes and papyrus. Strongís bible dictionary attributes bulrushes as (papyrus), a plant used to make a wood pulp to build small boats or make paper. The word wooden is an interpretation and not a translation.

6. Tall. The King James Bible does not use the word tall in its translation. The word tall is important in the identification of that nation.

7. Smooth skin. The King James Bible translation is ďscattered and peeledĒ, and the words can be translated that way. However the correct choice is smooth skin. Smooth skin means meek. Itís the opposite of being callus. What is being said is, go to the meek of that nation.

8. Conquering. The King James in verse two uses the words (meted out) and (trodden down). The word meted means also measure out. It should have used the word tall for the translation. Also the words (trodden down) should have been translated to conquering.

9. Divided. The King James uses the word (spoiled), who knows why. The word should have been translated (divided). The correct translation of any bible word or verse is very important for correctly understanding what is being said.

10. And 11.Banner and trumpet. The word is (shofar), a horn. The word trumpet was used as an acceptable translation. Banner, flag or ensign are all acceptable translations.

The seven branch menorah was designed by Yahwah as a national symbol. It was shown to Moses so it could be made for the sanctuary of earth.

Psalm 60:4. You have given a banner to them that fear you, that it may be displayed because of the truth. Selah.

12. Grapes and branches. Both of these words have a symbolic meaning.

13. Lord. That title is used in place of Gods personal name Yahwah.

14. Mount Zion. See Hebrews 12:22. and Revelation 14:1. There are also other places in the bible that are related to this subject Mount Zion or Zion.

This is the interpretation.
Woe is for the sorrows that will come upon that nation in the last days.
There are five key points in the identification of that nation. Number one is spinning wings. Number two, they sent ambassadors by sea in wooden vessels. Number three, the people are tall. Number four, they have a violent beginning for that nation and onward. And number five, that nations land is divided by its waters. America is that nation!

Spinning wings represents air craft for which America is famous for. Sending ambassadors by sea in boats is a historical fact after America became a new nation. American people are among the tallest of the nations. America had a violent beginning and has continued in violence throughout its history, whereas other nations have had long periods of peace. No other place in the world is more divided by its waters than America. America uses its waterways to divide nation from states, states from counties, counties from cities, and cities from towns.

All of these things that I have said here are a matter of fact and not my opinion. In regards to verse four, were God says He will consider in His dwelling place like a cloud of due in the heat of harvest: This means; by His righteousness he will judge the harvest. In verse five, the words grapes and branches are used symbolically for the people of the world.
When a person studies the bible they are in a search for clues. Also a person needs to know that some words can be translated differently. Example: Isaiah 18. The king James translates one verse as the people being (scattered and peeled). However the N.I.V translates the same verse as (smooth skin) people. Those Hebrew words can be translated either way. Now a people of a nation can be scattered, but they cannot be peeled. So the next question would be what does smooth skin mean. Thatís easy, because itís a phrase we use this day. Itís the opposite of being callus; it means meek. So therefore the verse is saying go to the meek of a violent nation.

Now while other nations have had opportunities for long periods of peace, America has not since its beginning. In history it is a known fact that after America became a nation; it sent ambassadors by ships all over the world.
Also, if a person was to study a map of Americaís borders they would find that no other place in the world is more divided by its water ways. In regards to the terms spinning or shadowing of wings, America was the first to develop aircraft. And America is a nation that is beyond the rivers of Cush; now called Ethiopia.

Notice here how Zephaniah repeats part of Isaiah 18.
Zephaniah 3
9 "Then will I purify the lips of the peoples, that all of them may call on the name of Yahwah and serve him shoulder to shoulder.
10 From beyond the rivers of Cush my worshipers, my scattered people, will bring me offerings.
11 On that day you will not be put to shame for all the wrongs you have done to me, because I will remove from this city those who rejoice in their pride. Never again will you be haughty on my holy hill.
12 But I will leave within you the meek and humble, who trust in the name of Yahwah.

After I had made my first post on Isaiah 18, and after it was on the internet for some time, Hal Lindsey on TBN spoke on May 02, 2001. Hal stated that he did not believe Isaiah 18 is about America. Although Hal is a good Christian man, he has been wrong in the past.
ah yes,the mystery nation of Is.18 but why was it a mystery to isaiah....? because it didn't exist in his time...interesting to note he see's it sending ambassadors by sea.(perhaps negotiating a peace agreement of some type....?)....to get a better understanding of this chapter I suggest reading the previous chapter Is.17 where we witness the" burden of damascus"....(the overnight war)...I firmly believe this conflict serves as the trip wire to signing "the peace treaty"....followed by the gog-magog campaign...selah...

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