So you messed up...you've done it again...you slipped up... what do you do next?

Ask God for forgiveness...you ask, you pray, and cry. God has forgiven you but still you feel guilty. Why?

Because you haven't forgiven yourself! I think I have finally figured it out! :pp Praise God.

For years and years I beat myself up for the mistakes and bad choices I have made in my 23 years on this earth. I was so down and depressed I wanted to kill myself 80% of the time I just didn't have the guts to actually do it. Which opened up the door for satan to mess with me even more.. I put myself down and I allowed others to keep me down because I never forgave myself!!! The holy spirit has taught me to finally forgive myself and the process of loving me with all my good and all my bad has finally began. Even when people bring up all the bad choices and mistakes I've made in life...even when my bad choices sneak up on me it dosent bother me one bit...I remind myself I am forgiven and it is so sweet!!
:cry:(tears of joy!!)
So although you have asked for forgiveness...don't forget to forgive yourself so the healing process can really begin. I honestly feel so free and I feel like I have actually grabbed Jesus's hand and said okay lord I am ready to truly walk with you..:hug: Forgiveness of self is so precious.

Amen.

This is so true. It is hard sometimes for us to forgive ourselves because were like "why do i keep doing this or that?!". And sometimes we feel like were not worthy of forgivness. But it is truly something that we must learn to do.

Is there any Scripture that says we should forgive ourselves?

none that I know of myself...but maybe I really dont know.

What a wonderful, discovery, JRF!! Call it forgiving yourself, call it accepting God's forgiveness for yourself or applying God's grace...it's Biblical all right! So happy to hear this - cause there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, like Romans 8:1 says. Thanks to Him, we don't have to live in that guilt but can indeed forgive ourselves.

Yes, God is merciful and quick to forgive. The key is in accepting that forgiveness and this means forgiving ourselves.

Here in Ps 40 the Psalmist shares of going down into the pit yet being raised back up and being given a "firm place to stand". As God forgives us surely we can rejoice and forgive ourselves and stand firmly on the rock He has set our feet upon. :)

1 I waited patiently for the LORD;
he turned to me and heard my cry.

2 He lifted me out of the slimy pit,
out of the mud and mire;
he set my feet on a rock
and gave me a firm place to stand. 3 He put a new song in my mouth,
a hymn of praise to our God.
Many will see and fear
and put their trust in the LORD. [Ps. 40:1-3, NIV]

And I am also thinking about the story of Peter and Judas in the scriptures in Luke 22. Both sinned but Peter repented and turned to God and accepted forgiveness; but Judas did not repent and did not accept forgiveness. Instead he went out and hanged himself. (See Matthew 27:1-10 about Judas)

And Jesus had said to Peter: "Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift you as wheat. But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers." (Lk 22:31-32) (NIV)

As we forgive ourselves we go on to strengthen others by our faith, love, and testimony.

Nice thread! :hug:.

Is there any Scripture that says we should forgive ourselves?

If the Lord has forgiven you,then by all means we need to forgive ourselves as well. There is no place for holding on to a guilt that has been forgiven.

Psalm 103:12-"as far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us."

1 John 1:9-"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."

John 8:36-"If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.?:pp

Hope this helps.

Yes, God is merciful and quick to forgive. The key is in accepting that forgiveness and this means forgiving ourselves.

Here in Ps 40 the Psalmist shares of going down into the pit yet being raised back up and being given a "firm place to stand". As God forgives us surely we can rejoice and forgive ourselves and stand firmly on the rock He has set our feet upon. :)

1 I waited patiently for the LORD;
he turned to me and heard my cry.

2 He lifted me out of the slimy pit,
out of the mud and mire;
he set my feet on a rock
and gave me a firm place to stand. 3 He put a new song in my mouth,
a hymn of praise to our God.
Many will see and fear
and put their trust in the LORD. [Ps. 40:1-3, NIV]

And I am also thinking about the story of Peter and Judas in the scriptures in Luke 22. Both sinned but Peter repented and turned to God and accepted forgiveness; but Judas did not repent and did not accept forgiveness. Instead he went out and hanged himself. (See Matthew 27:1-10 about Judas)

And Jesus had said to Peter: "Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift you as wheat. But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers." (Lk 22:31-32) (NIV)

As we forgive ourselves we go on to strengthen others by our faith, love, and testimony.

Nice thread! :hug:.

I love psalms 40 I have read it many times over but today it has an even stronger meaning! Thanks for sharing this!

If the Lord has forgiven you,then by all means we need to forgive ourselves as well. There is no place for holding on to a guilt that has been forgiven.

Psalm 103:12-"as far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us."

1 John 1:9-"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."

John 8:36-"If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.?:pp

Hope this helps.

Excellents scriptures!! Thanks for adding!

Jesusreigns

Great thread. Isnt it amazing how we are quick to forgive others but it is so hard to forgive ourselves. The holy spirit opens us up to many things including ourselves.

Wiseoldowl I love this statement

As we forgive ourselves we go on to strengthen others by our faith, love, and testimony.

chele

Jesusreigns

Great thread. Isnt it amazing how we are quick to forgive others but it is so hard to forgive ourselves. The holy spirit opens us up to many things including ourselves.

Wiseoldowl I love this statement

As we forgive ourselves we go on to strengthen others by our faith, love, and testimony.

chele

It is amazing how are we are quick to forgive other but often forget or have a hard time to forgive ourselves. I believe many christians are walking around still bound by past guilts because they havent realised they need to forgive themselves because Christ has already done so.

Amen!

The idea of forgiving ourselves is not biblical - in fact it's New Age. There's even a New Age book out called Radically Forgiving Ourselves! And, yes, a very unwise Christian author thought it would be a good idea to adapt the title and write a Christian book on the subject! Hmm - wonder what Bible verses he used......

Think about it - New Agers believe we are divine, so of course WE ought to forgive ourselves! It actually detracts from God's forgiveness in Christ - because it basically treats it as INSUFFICIENT - because it says we NEED to forgive ourselves or we won't "feel" healed!

As for the guilt we still feel, is that God's fault (His forgiveness being somehow inadequate to meet our REAL needs)? Or ours? Who can fix that? God or us?

The idea of forgiving ourselves is not biblical - in fact it's New Age. There's even a New Age book out called Radically Forgiving Ourselves! And, yes, a very unwise Christian author thought it would be a good idea to adapt the title and write a Christian book on the subject! Hmm - wonder what Bible verses he used......

Think about it - New Agers believe we are divine, so of course WE ought to forgive ourselves! It actually detracts from God's forgiveness in Christ - because it basically treats it as INSUFFICIENT - because it says we NEED to forgive ourselves or we won't "feel" healed!

As for the guilt we still feel, is that God's fault (His forgiveness being somehow inadequate to meet our REAL needs)? Or ours? Who can fix that? God or us?


I am not saying God's forgiveness is not adequate it surely is! Nor am I suggesting we are divine and have the power to forgive ourself, I absolutly dont have the power. I think your twisting up what I'm saying....because that was not at all the message. I'm not New Age nor do I even read into that foolishness. My point was although we as God to forgive us we have a hard time accepting his forgiveness because we are still holding to the sin...so because Christ has already forgive us we have to forgive ourself because if Jesus was merciful enough to forgive us who are we to not fully accept it.

Could we be using different terms for the same thing?

To me, it's accepting as a fact that I have been forgiven and moving on.

I John 1
9 - If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I struggled with forgiving myself also. But I read something once, and it really stuck. In a nutshell, it said, "Who am I to claim I am above God? If He, the creator of the universe can forgive me, who am I to say I cannot forgive myself. That is basically trampling all over the blood of Jesus." It is not saying I am divine, or perfect by any means. But I have no right to negate what my God has done. Why do I need to fret over something God has cast as far as the east is from the west?

Could we be using different terms for the same thing?

To me, it's accepting as a fact that I have been forgiven and moving on.

I John 1
9 - If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Yes I think your right...

I am not saying God's forgiveness is not adequate it surely is! Nor am I suggesting we are divine and have the power to forgive ourself, I absolutly dont have the power. I think your twisting up what I'm saying....because that was not at all the message. I'm not New Age nor do I even read into that foolishness.

I'm not saying you are - but I fear that many Christians are unwittingly buying into a worldly/New Age idea that is the opposite of what Scripture teaches.


My point was although we ask God to forgive us we have a hard time accepting his forgiveness because we are still holding to the sin...so because Christ has already forgive us we have to forgive ourself because if Jesus was merciful enough to forgive us who are we to not fully accept it.

THAT'S the point - it's about ACCEPTING His forgiveness - NOT forgiving ourselves - can you see the difference? It's about RECEIVING His healing forgiveness in our hearts - ONLY He can give that and take away all our guilt - we CAN'T do that ourselves so we should just ditch the whole idea of forgiving ourselves and receive HIS perfect forgiveness!!! It's unbelief that stops us - BEGONE UNBELIEF!!!!!!

Could we be using different terms for the same thing?

To me, it's accepting as a fact that I have been forgiven and moving on.

I John 1
9 - If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Amen and amen!!!!!

I struggled with forgiving myself also. But I read something once, and it really stuck. In a nutshell, it said, "Who am I to claim I am above God? If He, the creator of the universe can forgive me, who am I to say I cannot forgive myself. That is basically trampling all over the blood of Jesus." It is not saying I am divine, or perfect by any means. But I have no right to negate what my God has done. Why do I need to fret over something God has cast as far as the east is from the west?

Yes - that was Brother Mark's experience in the thread on the subject last year - we need to LET GO the idea of forgiving ourselves and just BASK in the perfection of HIS forgiveness!!!! It's like lying on a sunny beach with a gentle breeze - bliss.............:cool:

Paul said it this way...

"Forgetting what lays behind..."

That is tied in with forgiveness. For God says when he forgives us, he remembers our iniquity no more. One generally can't let go of the past until he has dealt with it both spiritually and mentally.

Call what you will, but forgiving oneself is as important as forgiving a brother. Just for us, it is accepting fully Christ forgiveness and His position as the final authority. One needs to "forget what lays behind"... how? By "forgiving" yourself. Better yet, remove ourself from being judge and accept his forgiveness.

I didn't grow much spiritually until God dealt with this matter in me. Young believers don't always get it right in their words. Older Christians don't either. If someone would have condemned me for my chosen words back when God was dealing with me, it would not have been from God. Eventually, I learned an even deeper truth about it, in time.

Grace and peace,

Mark

Yes - that was Brother Mark's experience in the thread on the subject last year - we need to LET GO the idea of forgiving ourselves and just BASK in the perfection of HIS forgiveness!!!! It's like lying on a sunny beach with a gentle breeze - bliss.............:cool:

We also need to not try and force folks to grow up to our standards and allow the Lord to grow them at his pace. ;)

When a person comes to the Revelation and Realization that their 'sin's are FORGIVEN... its reavealed thru the Spirit unto the soul and spirit of that person... then that's where FREEDOM comes IN and thats where Its found at.....the Power of His Blood.. pure and undefiled.. cleansing the concious with the sprinkling of blood.. One cannot forgive oneself... its not in his/her power.. that is Reserved for God alone...

but UPON His Revelation to the Sinner... your sins are forgiven... and you COMING TO GRASP WITH THAT THRU THE WORK OF THE HOLY GHOST.. then there will be 'no condemnation'.. upon that soul and spirit...

who is he that condemneth? one who condemns and accuses night and day before the throne...

Realization of ones sins being forgiven and walking in that FREEDOM is an area satan will work night/day to keep you from...

His Blood is what cleanses and set's you FREE... you realizing that your sins are forgiven and walking in that 'FREEDOM'.. will keep those fiery darts of condemnation of the wicked one at bay.. they may come and WILL COME but they bounce off your shield of faith and the Breastplate of Righteousness..


there is no doubt.. and its True..

If the Son sets you free... you are free indeed!

and if you 'know' the Truth.... the TRUTH will set you free!

not living in a cycle of condemnation trying to forgive yourself when you have ALREADY BEEN forgiven...

So you messed up...you've done it again...you slipped up... what do you do next?

Ask God for forgiveness...you ask, you pray, and cry. God has forgiven you but still you feel guilty. Why?

Because you haven't forgiven yourself! I think I have finally figured it out! :pp Praise God.

For years and years I beat myself up for the mistakes and bad choices I have made in my 23 years on this earth. I was so down and depressed I wanted to kill myself 80% of the time I just didn't have the guts to actually do it. Which opened up the door for satan to mess with me even more.. I put myself down and I allowed others to keep me down because I never forgave myself!!! The holy spirit has taught me to finally forgive myself and the process of loving me with all my good and all my bad has finally began. Even when people bring up all the bad choices and mistakes I've made in life...even when my bad choices sneak up on me it dosent bother me one bit...I remind myself I am forgiven and it is so sweet!!
:cry:(tears of joy!!)
So although you have asked for forgiveness...don't forget to forgive yourself so the healing process can really begin. I honestly feel so free and I feel like I have actually grabbed Jesus's hand and said okay lord I am ready to truly walk with you..:hug: Forgiveness of self is so precious.

Amen.

Good testimony JesusReignsForever. We often times don't forgive ourselves even though we've been forgiven by God and others. One thing to note though is that we have to be very careful not to get caught up too much in forgiving ourselves though, and make sure that we always ask God for forgiveness first.

Sometimes a sense of over self forgiveness and acceptance before coming to God can lead to us being prideful and to the assumption that we are doing nothing wrong in God's view...and that anything we do is acceptable, so long as we have faith that God has forgiven us.

The best example I can give when asking God for forgiveness is with what David himself did. He actuall asks God to convict him of any sins he has commited, and make his hidden sins known so he no longer offends God. This would be a wise thing for most of us to do...as sometimes our consciences can indeed deceive us regarding what God has deemed right or wrong for us to do within our lives.

God bless,

Stephen

Paul said it this way...

"Forgetting what lays behind..."

That is tied in with forgiveness. For God says when he forgives us, he remembers our iniquity no more. One generally can't let go of the past until he has dealt with it both spiritually and mentally.

Amen!


Call what you will, but forgiving oneself is as important as forgiving a brother. Just for us, it is accepting fully Christ forgiveness and His position as the final authority. One needs to "forget what lays behind"... how? By "forgiving" yourself. Better yet, remove ourself from being judge and accept his forgiveness.

THAT'S why I believe the idea of forgiving oneself is incompatible with God's forgiveness - because WE ARE NOT TO BE THE JUDGE OF WHETHER WE ARE FORGIVEN OR NOT!!!!!!!


I didn't grow much spiritually until God dealt with this matter in me. Young believers don't always get it right in their words. Older Christians don't either. If someone would have condemned me for my chosen words back when God was dealing with me, it would not have been from God.

That's a pretty harsh comment, Mark - Christ Himself said that by our words we'll be justified or condemned - they DO matter.....


Eventually, I learned an even deeper truth about it, in time.

Grace and peace,

Mark

I believe it's so important that it needs to be explained at the outset of everyone's Christian life - sure, some of us don;t "get it" until much later, but that's not to say it's not a foundational truth.

Is there any Scripture that says we should forgive ourselves?
If the Son has set you free, you are free indeed...

EDIT: I broke my very strict rule to not post until I have gone through an entire thread and I see that someone else had already posted this scripture.
Great minds think alike....heehee

If the Son has set you free, you are free indeed...

EXACTLY!!!! HIS freedom is ALL we need!!!!!!! :pp:pp:pp

Lol! Strange that you agree with me yet I was agreeing with JesusReigns, who you don't agree with.
Oh lol, aren't we all such a mess in our misunderstandings of what someone else has said?:o:o:o:lol::lol::lol: Sometimes I think it occured at the tower of babel that even when we speak the same language we misunderstand each other.

I'm not saying you are - but I fear that many Christians are unwittingly buying into a worldly/New Age idea that is the opposite of what Scripture teaches.



THAT'S the point - it's about ACCEPTING His forgiveness - NOT forgiving ourselves - can you see the difference? It's about RECEIVING His healing forgiveness in our hearts - ONLY He can give that and take away all our guilt - we CAN'T do that ourselves so we should just ditch the whole idea of forgiving ourselves and receive HIS perfect forgiveness!!! It's unbelief that stops us - BEGONE UNBELIEF!!!!!!

umm that is what I said...lol asking God for forgiveness.. I didnt say anything about us forgiving ourselves with out God first forgiving us. lol this is crazy but I think we are all back on the same page....I HOPE:rolleyes:

Well God knows what I meant eventhough I think some have confused what I said. I never said anything about being divine and forgiving myself. I was talking about learning how to accept forgiveness after God has already forgiven you.

Seems like once the door of confusion is open it just turns into a circus....

umm that is what I said...lol asking God for forgiveness.. I didnt say anything about us forgiving ourselves with out God first forgiving us. lol this is crazy but I think we are all back on the same page....I HOPE:rolleyes:

I know you didn't, hope I didn't come of as accusatory. This is a very good topic, as often times not having a feeling of forgivness of oneself can bring about self-worthlessness, which leads to depression and a whole host of other sins. If one feels that they are worthless in God's eyes, they go about doing all kinds of worthless things that lead them even further away from him.

Still, it is important to make sure that we make that distinction though. I think of some of the things people do, without any regret whatsoever and claim they are doing so in the name of God or with God's approval. Just looking at how so many wars are started today makes me think people really gotta do a lot of soul searching before they come to terms with God and themselves, before they can be assured that God has approved of any decision that they have made.

I know you didn't, hope I didn't come of as accusatory. This is a very good topic, as often times not having a feeling of forgivness of oneself can bring about self-worthlessness, which leads to depression and a whole host of other sins. If one feels that they are worthless in God's eyes, they go about doing all kinds of worthless things that lead them even further away from him.

Still, it is important to make sure that we make that distinction though. My God I think of some of the things people do, without any regret whatsoever and claim they are doing so in the name of God or with God's approval. Just looking at how so many wars are started today makes me think people really gotta do a lot of soul searching before they come to terms with God and themselves, before they can be assured that God has approved of any decision that they have made.


True!! and were all good :)

Well God knows what I meant eventhough I think some have confused what I said. I never said anything about being divine and forgiving myself. I was talking about learning how to accept forgiveness after God has already forgiven you.

Seems like once the door of confusion is open it just turns into a circus....

Mmmm...circus peanuts, cotton candy.......now we have things to throw at each other!! heehee

True!! and were all good :)

What - you think we're all good in God's eyes? Where do you get that idea?

What - you think we're all good in God's eyes? Where do you get that idea?


:eek: that is not even what i was talking about.. where did you get your idea from?? Your taking this somewhere that I'm not.

Just want to remind everybody that this is a non-debate forum. Let's discuss the OP and talk about forgiving yourself / accepting God's forgiveness, but not get sidetracked or end up in a debate... :)

Amen to that! I'm not here to debate or argue or have words put into my mouth. Just simply sharing what I've discovered. A new found freedom in Jesus Christ. :)

Lol! Strange that you agree with me yet I was agreeing with JesusReigns, who you don't agree with.
Oh lol, aren't we all such a mess in our misunderstandings of what someone else has said?:o:o:o:lol::lol::lol: Sometimes I think it occured at the tower of babel that even when we speak the same language we misunderstand each other.

The thing is - that verse says that THE SON sets us free - we don't SET OURSELVES free through forgiving ourselves - He ALONE does it! Where we go wrong is in refusing to ACCEPT His forgiveness - letting go of ourselves and any attempt at appeasing our guilty consciences OURSELVES - can people not see that that is what self-forgiveness is? SELF help?!?! TRUE forgiveness (God's) is nothing to do with our forgiving ourselves!!!!! I believe they are opposites.

:eek: that is not even what i was talking about.. where did you get your idea from?? Your taking this somewhere that I'm not.

Sorry if I picked you up wrong - what did you mean, then? I thought you meant "No, we're not worthless, we're all good" - was I wrong?

Just read pilgrimtozion's post - sorry - not meaning for this to be a debate.

That's a pretty harsh comment, Mark - Christ Himself said that by our words we'll be justified or condemned - they DO matter.....

Nigel,

He also said "There are things I long to tell you but your not yet ready". Force feeding someone doesn't make them grow. There's a time and place for everyone. Spend all your time correcting and your spiritual kids won't grow, they will just hide.



I believe it's so important that it needs to be explained at the outset of everyone's Christian life - sure, some of us don;t "get it" until much later, but that's not to say it's not a foundational truth.Thing is, until God explains it, no one gets it. No need to push so hard. Besides, we do forgive ourselves in a sense. For me, forgiving myself meant the same exact thing as accepting God's forgiveness. Let people work out their own salvation. Like I said above, spend all your time correcting, and people won't grow, they will just hide.

A young child doesn't understand many things. A wise father won't attempt to explain even very important things until the right time.

In the words of Christ...

John 16:12
12 "I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
NASB

Sorry if I picked you up wrong - what did you mean, then? I thought you meant "No, we're not worthless, we're all good" - was I wrong?

Yes you read that one wrong.


Originally Posted by Friend of I AM http://bibleforums.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php?p=1963237#post1963237)
I know you didn't, hope I didn't come of as accusatory.

thats why I said "were all good"....meaning I didnt take offense tot he statement above.

Yes you read that one wrong.

[/i]

thats why I said "were all good"....meaning I didnt take offense tot he statement above.

Ah! Sorry - being a Brit, I didn't appreciate that (not a phrase we use) - I do now - thanks for clarifiying! Are we all good on this?!?! ;)

Nigel,

He also said "There are things I long to tell you but your not yet ready". Force feeding someone doesn't make them grow. There's a time and place for everyone. Spend all your time correcting and your spiritual kids won't grow, they will just hide.


Thing is, until God explains it, no one gets it. No need to push so hard. Besides, we do forgive ourselves in a sense. For me, forgiving myself meant the same exact thing as accepting God's forgiveness. Let people work out their own salvation. Like I said above, spend all your time correcting, and people won't grow, they will just hide.

A young child doesn't understand many things. A wise father won't attempt to explain even very important things until the right time.

In the words of Christ...

John 16:12
12 "I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
NASB

Wow - wise words indeed, Mark - thanks - I think I'll be reflecting on them in a whole lot of ways for quite a while - bless you! :)

Ah! Sorry - being a Brit, I didn't appreciate that (not a phrase we use) - I do now - thanks for clarifiying! Are we all good on this?!?! ;)


Oh yes we are all good!!;)

Oh yes we are all good!!;)

Excellent! :hug: I think it is by and large a matter of terminology but I think it's important that we use biblical language and not the world's - non-Christians want to forgive themselves - but they're not concerned about receiving GOD's forgiveness, which is the one that really counts! We surely need to be clear on the sufficiency of God's forgiveness for meeting their deepest needs and taking away their guilt - are we good on that?!? :D

Excellent! :hug: I think it is by and large a matter of terminology but I think it's important that we use biblical language and not the world's - non-Christians want to forgive themselves - but they're not concerned about receiving GOD's forgiveness, which is the one that really counts! We surely need to be clear on the sufficiency of God's forgiveness for meeting their deepest needs and taking away their guilt - are we good on that?!? :D

One grows in language Nigel. What would be even better would be if people would take time to understand what another is saying before jumping the gun with accusations. Just because someone uses words that you find offensive doesn't mean they are endeavoring to communicate something that is doctrinally unsound.

Paul said he became all things... you know the verse. When in Athens he preached about the "Unknown God". He used their words to teach. When one accepts forgiveness from God he does indeed forgive himself too because he no longer holds his sin against himself. Whether one communicates it one way or the other is not near as important as the fact that one has this experience with God.

Why not join in praise with this sister who has found forgiveness in our Savior?

God is all forgiving. :pp

God is all forgiving. :pp

For the true Christian, amen! So why would we NEED to forgive ourselves? Is God's amazing forgiveness not enough.....?!?! :B

For the true Christian, amen! So why would we NEED to forgive ourselves? Is God's amazing forgiveness not enough.....?!?! :B

I agree.. and when a person COMES to the Revelation that God HAS FORGIVEN THEM AND DOES FORGIVE them ..... then there is no need to forgive oneself... there is no such thing... once again and I'll say it... that's man centered theology.. I'm not aftraid to say that... but that's what it is..

When He set me free Feb 3 1994... that Burden and let me tell you.. it was 'heavy'....was 'LIFTED' off my back.. the condemnation was gone... the 'guilt' was gone....I 'knew' He had forgiven me.. I did not need to forgive myself... there was no 'condemnation' left.. IT WAS GONE... washed away by the Pure Blood of Christ.. I was 'free'.. and did not need to forgive myself... The 'joy' was unspeakable and the freedom was something that no man , and not even myself could of given me... It came From Him and Him only... Forgiveness by Him and Him only...

I agree.. and when a person COMES to the Revelation that God HAS FORGIVEN THEM AND DOES FORGIVE them ..... then there is no need to forgive oneself... there is no such thing... once again and I'll say it... that's man centered theology.. I'm not aftraid to say that... but that's what it is..

When He set me free Feb 3 1994... that Burden and let me tell you.. it was 'heavy'....was 'LIFTED' off my back.. the condemnation was gone... the 'guilt' was gone....I 'knew' He had forgiven me.. I did not need to forgive myself... there was no 'condemnation' left.. IT WAS GONE... washed away by the Pure Blood of Christ.. I was 'free'.. and did not need to forgive myself... The 'joy' was unspeakable and the freedom was something that no man , and not even myself could of given me... It came From Him and Him only... Forgiveness by Him and Him only...

Praise God! What we need to realise is that it's not what WE think of ourselves or OTHERS think of us but what GOD thinks of us that matters - and is ALL that matters. And if God says "I have forgiven you - completely" - then who are we to say "we have not forgiven ourselves"?

I'm not sure I understand the term "self forgiveness". Or, I'm not sure I understand what everyone else means by it. If there is such a thing, I think it happens when we can step back and see how we are connected to a much bigger life than we thought. We've been set free! Focusing on our sins seems to bring our focus back in to ourselves and OUR performance.

I have learned to seek and ask for forgiveness and then to recieve that forgiveness.

I have learned to seek and ask for forgiveness and then to recieve that forgiveness.

You got it in a nutshell, friend!

I have learned to seek and ask for forgiveness and then to recieve that forgiveness.

Yes, amen. We cannot play God and hold something against ourselves that God has already forgiven us of. Who do we think we are? Things are as God says they are, not as we think or feel they are.

Yes, amen. We cannot play God and hold something against ourselves that God has already forgiven us of. Who do we think we are? Things are as God says they are, not as we think or feel they are.\

Correct. That is why we also forgive the debt against ourselves.

I think what can be said has been said here. Gonna close this down before it turns into a debate.