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JC Lamont
Feb 5th 2009, 02:30 PM
I'm putting this post here in the apoplogetics thread, because it concerns a question I have regarding an apologetics book I'm reading. If I've it in the wrong thread, my deepest apologies.
I'm reading I don't have enough faith to be an atheist, and in it they say "If there was an infinite number of days before today, then today would never have arrived....You can't traverse an infinite number of days."
I am a YEC, I'm not looking for a debate, I'm simply wondering if a YEC smarter than me can explain this to me, becuase I don't see how it makes sense.
bosco
Feb 5th 2009, 02:40 PM
I'm putting this post here in the apoplogetics thread, because it concerns a question I have regarding an apologetics book I'm reading. If I've it in the wrong thread, my deepest apologies.
I'm reading I don't have enough faith to be an atheist, and in it they say "If there was an infinite number of days before today, then today would never have arrived....You can't traverse an infinite number of days."
I am a YEC, I'm not looking for a debate, I'm simply wondering if a YEC smarter than me can explain this to me, becuase I don't see how it makes sense.
It is a little bit of double talk, some stuffy suit who likes to hear himself talk. But, look at it this way: God is eternal, so time in any regard really has no meaning to him other than we, his family, are for the time being tied to it. Before and after which, time is irrelevant to God. A day, an hour, week, year, millenia...all meaningless for one who exists outside of time.
If there had been an infinite amount of days prior to today- infinite is similar to eternal. There is no number that can be put on eternity just as no number can be put on infinite, they mean the same thing. I realize that doesn't answer your question, but it might give you a basis to work from.
Bosco
Athanasius
Feb 5th 2009, 03:51 PM
I'm putting this post here in the apoplogetics thread, because it concerns a question I have regarding an apologetics book I'm reading. If I've it in the wrong thread, my deepest apologies.
I'm reading I don't have enough faith to be an atheist, and in it they say "If there was an infinite number of days before today, then today would never have arrived....You can't traverse an infinite number of days."
I am a YEC, I'm not looking for a debate, I'm simply wondering if a YEC smarter than me can explain this to me, becuase I don't see how it makes sense.
It's been awhile since I heard this, I believe it's in regards to eternal matter and the first cause? Basically he's saying "infinity + 1" - infinity is an infinite measure of time (as the previous poster said) or no time, depending on how you like to define things.
bosco
Feb 5th 2009, 05:27 PM
It's been awhile since I heard this, I believe it's in regards to eternal matter and the first cause? Basically he's saying "infinity + 1" - infinity is an infinite measure of time (as the previous poster said) or no time, depending on how you like to define things.
Thanks....it was hard for me to put in words. I hadn't heard it before and was winging it.;)
Bosco
Athanasius
Feb 5th 2009, 10:08 PM
I think you have to keep in mind that there is a distinction between saying, "Given an infinite amount of time life would have arisen", which is what I believe this objection is in reference to. And saying, "matter has existed for an infinite amount of time".
Itinerant Lurker
Feb 5th 2009, 11:11 PM
I'm putting this post here in the apoplogetics thread, because it concerns a question I have regarding an apologetics book I'm reading. If I've it in the wrong thread, my deepest apologies.
I'm reading I don't have enough faith to be an atheist, and in it they say "If there was an infinite number of days before today, then today would never have arrived....You can't traverse an infinite number of days."
I am a YEC, I'm not looking for a debate, I'm simply wondering if a YEC smarter than me can explain this to me, becuase I don't see how it makes sense.
I think that's really only an argument against an infinite universe model. Christian theology expressly holds that God exists outside of time and besides, general relativity points towards a single point of origin for all matter, energy, space and time. So not only is an infinite universe theologically and logically unsound, but it is also contrary to our current understanding of the universe.