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joedelsy
Apr 8th 2009, 03:28 AM
I have been reading the 1st chapter of Genesis regarding the creation of Earth.

1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
This seems to mean that "waters" were already present

1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

any comments?

apothanein kerdos
Apr 8th 2009, 03:31 AM
Yup. This indicates that God had brought the world into existence, but it had no form, that is, it wasn't recognizable as the earth (as we know it) and wasn't habitable. In fact, verse 6 backs this up as also acknowledging that the waters were already there.

joedelsy
Apr 8th 2009, 03:53 AM
1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

Im wondering where the dinosaurs came from. Biblical time states that the earth is only approx 9-15,000 years old. How are they finding bones billions years old?

THOM
Apr 8th 2009, 04:19 AM
I have been reading the 1st chapter of Genesis regarding the creation of Earth.

1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
This seems to mean that "waters" were already present

1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

any comments?

If you believe that THE MOST PERFECT and ORDERLY "GOD (WHO IS 'LIGHT' according to 1John 1:5) Created the heavens and the earth. . .without form (formless), and void (in a state of utter chaos) and darkness was upon the face of the deep", then so be it.

But on the other hand, if you believe that between, "In the beginning, GOD Created the heavens and the earth", and "[And] the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep", something else happened (besides GOD just Creating it that way) to cause "the earth" to become "[I]without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep", you'll then begin to understand where the "waters" came from and why.

The "waters" were not already here (prior to Creation), until after the earth had been Created in Verse 1; and before Earth's renovation was begun by GOD in Verse 2b ("And THE SPIRIT of GOD was hovering over the face of the waters.").

Emanate
Apr 8th 2009, 12:43 PM
Im wondering where the dinosaurs came from. Biblical time states that the earth is only approx 9-15,000 years old. How are they finding bones billions years old?


Scientists cannot predict weather next week and we are to trust some tests with a plus or minus ratio in the millions? Next time you take a math test write in "plus or minus 10,000" on every answer and see how acceptable that is.

apothanein kerdos
Apr 8th 2009, 02:05 PM
1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

Im wondering where the dinosaurs came from. Biblical time states that the earth is only approx 9-15,000 years old. How are they finding bones billions years old?


There are a few ways to look at it. One of the ways is that the 6 days are literal. Thus, the dinosaurs existed prior to Noah and walked along side humans. However, they were (for whatever reason) wiped out in the flood and the pressure from all that water condensed them, making them appear old.

Another interpretation is that Genesis is more poetic in its approach (but not poetry in the sense that Psalms is poetry). Thus, it describes a literal event, but shouldn't be taken literally in all aspects. In this case (and really, in both cases) the age of the earth is not given in the Bible. The Bible deals with God's dealings with man, thus since modern man has only been around for about 10,000-15,000 years ("modern man" in the sense of building civilizations, cities, etc), it makes sense that the genealogies provide for a shorter amount of time.

Regardless, in viewing Genesis 1 and 2 as a poetic narrative, we realize there is something literal (the special creation of humans, a literal Adam and Eve, God creating, God being in control of it all, God creating out of nothing) without having to take it literally (no 6 days, not necessarily in that order, etc).

David Taylor
Apr 8th 2009, 02:44 PM
Im wondering where the dinosaurs came from.

On the 5th day of Creation, God created all aquatic life and birds.

On the 6th day of Creation, God created all dry-land animals.

All living creatures would fall into one or the other of those days.




Biblical time states that the earth is only approx 9-15,000 years old. How are they finding bones billions years old?
The Bible doesn't date the earth.
Folks have attempted to use the Bible for dating geneologies, and come up with all kinds of ranges and postulates.

The thing is, the Bible itself really doesn't date itself.

We know God created the Earth and all creatures within it. The Bible reveals the order of creation, but not the timelines of creation or the duration of when species have gone extinct.

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