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truthseeker87
Apr 9th 2009, 03:39 AM
"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." Rev. 3:20

Opinions on what Jesus Christ is really saying.

markedward
Apr 9th 2009, 04:02 AM
Christ is speaking to the church of Laodicea: they are "neither hot nor cold". They're essentially neutral in regards to Christ, and he is telling them to turn to him, and "let him in".

THOM
Apr 9th 2009, 04:14 AM
"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." Rev. 3:20

Opinions on what Jesus Christ is really saying.

An Invitation. . .not a "ramming down you throat".

One of the beauties of that Passage is that JESUS CHRIST knock (politely), while on the other hand, sin and death just kinda kicks the door in, huh? And one should ask themselves, WHICH have more to offer?

JESUS CHRIST IS Giving away EVERLASTING LIFE (and "more abundantly"), and sin and death is paying you ["wages"] for sinning with everlasting death (where you're aware that you're in a constant state of dying and/or death), where "worms (maggots) never die. . ."; hmmm.

truthseeker87
Apr 9th 2009, 04:25 AM
Who exactly is the church of Laodicea?

markedward
Apr 9th 2009, 05:05 AM
The church of Laodicea was a first-century church that John (the author of the Revelation) was writing an epistle to, on behalf of Christ. John was told to write to seven churches and to include their epistles in the Revelation because these seven churches served as examples of the different spiritual conditions a collective group of followers of Christ could be in.

Firstfruits
Apr 9th 2009, 10:01 AM
Christ is speaking to the church of Laodicea: they are "neither hot nor cold". They're essentially neutral in regards to Christ, and he is telling them to turn to him, and "let him in".

Are we not all to hear Christ in order for him to come and dwell with us as God has commanded?

Mt 17:5 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=40&CHAP=17&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=5) While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

God bless you!

firstfruits

markedward
Apr 9th 2009, 02:01 PM
As I said before:

John was told to write to seven churches and to include their epistles in the Revelation because these seven churches served as examples of the different spiritual conditions a collective group of followers of Christ could be in.

Firstfruits
Apr 9th 2009, 02:05 PM
As I said before:

The message for us to hear Christ is for all not just one group. Are we not to hear Christ as God has commanded?

Firstfruits

HisLeast
Apr 9th 2009, 02:19 PM
The message for us to hear Christ is for all not just one group. Are we not to hear Christ as God has commanded?


as the man said...


John was told to write to seven churches and to include their epistles in the Revelation because these seven churches served as examples of the different spiritual conditions a collective group of followers of Christ could be in.

That's everyone.

Mograce2U
Apr 9th 2009, 02:32 PM
Christ is speaking to the church of Laodicea: they are "neither hot nor cold". They're essentially neutral in regards to Christ, and he is telling them to turn to him, and "let him in".I don't know that I could agree with them being "neutral", the description of their condition is that they were without faith in Christ - and therefore He was not among them. They had put their trust in riches and their good works were without benefit in bringing men real comfort or refreshment from the Spirit at all. And they were ignorant concerning their true spiritual condition yet thinking they were serving Him. It seems to be the old trusting in works without faith syndrome...

Firstfruits
Apr 9th 2009, 03:05 PM
as the man said...



That's everyone.

I understand what you are saying it was just how it was said that I took it that he was soley reffering to one group.

"Christ is speaking to the church of Laodicea: they are "neither hot nor cold". They're essentially neutral in regards to Christ, and he is telling them to turn to him, and "let him in". "

Thanks HisLeast,

Firstfruits

billy-brown 2
Apr 9th 2009, 03:50 PM
"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." Rev. 3:20

Opinions on what Jesus Christ is really saying.

The following is adapted from a previous thread:

The church of Laodicea is a wonderful part of Christ's body--and this is true because the people received loving instruction and encouragement "to be zealous and repent" from Christ, and Christ wants "to sup with them."

Thus, the church of Laodicea is not to be given over to judgment (like Mystery Babylon is).

So, let's break Rev. 3:14-21 up into three parts: A, B, and C:

Rev. 3:14-21


(A)

14 (http://bible.cc/revelation/3-14.htm) “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:


(B)

15 (http://bible.cc/revelation/3-15.htm) ‘I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot.
16 (http://bible.cc/revelation/3-16.htm) ‘So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.
1 (http://bible.cc/revelation/3-17.htm)7 (http://bible.cc/revelation/3-17.htm) ‘Because you say, “I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing,” and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked,
18 (http://bible.cc/revelation/3-18.htm) I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.


(C)

19 (http://bible.cc/revelation/3-19.htm) ‘Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.
20 (http://bible.cc/revelation/3-20.htm) ‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.
21 (http://bible.cc/revelation/3-21.htm) ‘He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
22 (http://bible.cc/revelation/3-22.htm) ‘He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’”

Ok.

Letter (A) contains scripture which identifies the people (through the angel) to receive Jesus' message--the church at Laodicea.

Now, if Jesus had not achieved ONENESS with this church through the Gospel, He would have NEVER rebuked and chastened them for their idolatry. After all, this was the sin that they committed--as is evident in the scriptures in (B).

So, our Savior Jesus is telling them in (C) something like the following:

"All of My people in Laodicea need to repent--and I am standing here "at the door" waiting to "sup with anyone (and you with me)" who REPENTS.

Thus, the Greek here is explicit in verse 16: "I am about to spit you out"--and implied here are three additional words to this Greek translation in parenthesis below:

"I am about to spit you out" (unless you repent).

Indeed, the entire synthesis in verses 15-16 corresponds with our Savior's penchant for the metaphor in His communication--so we need to be careful not to go beyond what He is saying.

Jesus is not going to put literally these saints "in His mouth" and "spit them out."

The repentant from this church, then, would be those who "overcame." In this case, they would "overcome idolatry," "rule" with Christ on His throne, and have "God's riches, righteous deeds, and spiritual discernment (the "eysalve" of YHWH) as well.

Now, did this church repent before the Lord their God and "sup" with Jesus?

The scripture does not explicitly say.

Nevertheless, Jesus indicates to the Church of Laodicea that "those who have an ear--would hear" what the Spirit is saying to the church(es) and, thus, would be "repentant" and "zealous"--and "sup" with Christ in intimacy due to this "hearing."

And, of course, Jesus has already indicated in John 10 the following:

John 10:22-30
22 (http://bible.cc/john/10-22.htm) At that time the Feast of the Dedication took place at Jerusalem;
23 (http://bible.cc/john/10-23.htm) it was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple in the portico of Solomon.
24 (http://bible.cc/john/10-24.htm) The Jews then gathered around Him, and were saying to Him, “How long will You keep us in suspense? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”
25 (http://bible.cc/john/10-25.htm) Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father’s name, these testify of Me.
26 (http://bible.cc/john/10-26.htm) “But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep.
27 (http://bible.cc/john/10-27.htm) “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;
28 (http://bible.cc/john/10-28.htm) and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
29 (http://bible.cc/john/10-29.htm) “My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
30 (http://bible.cc/john/10-30.htm) “I and the Father are one.”

It is in this context that I see these saints in Laodicea as an important part of Christ's body. :pp

Emanate
Apr 9th 2009, 04:05 PM
in John 10 the following:

John 10:22-30
22 (http://bible.cc/john/10-22.htm) At that time the Feast of the Dedication took place at Jerusalem;
23 (http://bible.cc/john/10-23.htm) it was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple in the portico of Solomon.
24 (http://bible.cc/john/10-24.htm) The Jews then gathered around Him, and were saying to Him, “How long will You keep us in suspense? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”
25 (http://bible.cc/john/10-25.htm) Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father’s name, these testify of Me.
26 (http://bible.cc/john/10-26.htm) “But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep.
27 (http://bible.cc/john/10-27.htm) “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;
28 (http://bible.cc/john/10-28.htm) and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
29 (http://bible.cc/john/10-29.htm) “My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
30 (http://bible.cc/john/10-30.htm) “I and the Father are one.”

It is in this context that I see these saints in Laodicea as an important part of Christ's body. :pp

Ah, the ol' Hannukah sermon

billy-brown 2
Apr 9th 2009, 05:59 PM
Ah, the ol' Hannukah sermon

LOL
:lol:

There you are, then . . .

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