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billy-brown 2
Apr 10th 2009, 12:42 PM
The Apostle John has written the following:

1 John 2:27
27 (http://bible.cc/1_john/2-27.htm) As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.

And the Apostle Paul has written the following:

Ephesians 4:11-13
11 (http://bible.cc/ephesians/4-11.htm) And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,
12 (http://bible.cc/ephesians/4-12.htm) for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;
13 (http://bible.cc/ephesians/4-13.htm) until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.

Is there a connection between both passages, or a contradiction between both passages?

(Please use scripture.)


:hmm:

crossnote
Apr 11th 2009, 07:06 AM
The Apostle John has written the following:

1 John 2:27
27 (http://bible.cc/1_john/2-27.htm) As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.

And the Apostle Paul has written the following:

Ephesians 4:11-13
11 (http://bible.cc/ephesians/4-11.htm) And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,
12 (http://bible.cc/ephesians/4-12.htm) for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;
13 (http://bible.cc/ephesians/4-13.htm) until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.

Is there a connection between both passages, or a contradiction between both passages?

(Please use scripture.)


:hmm:

I would say that the 1John passage is saying no longer look to a teacher for the final authority. The Ephesian passage is saying that God has given us teachers not as the final authority but to help and guide us in our understanding of God's Word. Our final authority lies in His Spirit enlightening us through His Word;and a good teacher will always tell you 'don't take my word for it but check out what I say from Scripture'.


These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
(Act 17:11)

p.s. Don't even believe all I say in this post without checking it out, especially since it is my 666th post!

billy-brown 2
Apr 14th 2009, 01:26 PM
I would say that the 1John passage is saying no longer look to a teacher for the final authority. The Ephesian passage is saying that God has given us teachers not as the final authority but to help and guide us in our understanding of God's Word. Our final authority lies in His Spirit enlightening us through His Word;and a good teacher will always tell you 'don't take my word for it but check out what I say from Scripture'.


These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
(Act 17:11)

p.s. Don't even believe all I say in this post without checking it out, especially since it is my 666th post!


:lol:

Congratulations . . you have written quite well.

And now, a passage for our consideration (I will share at least 2 in this thread discussion--this is the first):

1 Chronicles 1
1 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-1.htm) Adam, Seth, Enosh, 2 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-2.htm) Kenan, Mahalalel, Jared, 3 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-3.htm) Enoch, MethuSelah, Lamech, 4 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-4.htm) Noah, Shem, Ham and Japheth.
5 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-5.htm) The sons of Japheth were Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech and Tiras. 6 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-6.htm) The sons of Gomer were Ashkenaz, Diphath, and Togarmah. 7 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-7.htm) The sons of Javan were Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim and Rodanim.
8 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-8.htm) The sons of Ham were Cush, Mizraim, Put, and Canaan. 9 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-9.htm) The sons of Cush were Seba, Havilah, Sabta, Raama and Sabteca; and the sons of Raamah were Sheba and Dedan. 10 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-10.htm) Cush became the father of Nimrod; he began to be a mighty one in the earth.
11 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-11.htm) Mizraim became the father of the people of Lud, Anam, Lehab, Naphtuh, 12 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-12.htm) Pathrus, Casluh, from which the Philistines came, and Caphtor.
13 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-13.htm) Canaan became the father of Sidon, his firstborn, Heth, 14 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-14.htm) and the Jebusites, the Amorites, the Girga****es, 15 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-15.htm) the Hivites, the Arkites, the Sinites, 16 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-16.htm) the Arvadites, the Zemarites and the Hamathites.
17 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-17.htm) The sons of Shem were Elam, Asshur, Arpachshad, Lud, Aram, Uz, Hul, Gether and Meshech. 18 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-18.htm) Arpachshad became the father of Shelah and Shelah became the father of Eber. 19 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-19.htm) Two sons were born to Eber, the name of the one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided, and his brotherís name was Joktan. 20 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-20.htm) Joktan became the father of Almodad, Sheleph, Hazarmaveth, Jerah, 21 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-21.htm) Hadoram, Uzal, Diklah, 22 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-22.htm) Ebal, Abimael, Sheba, 23 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-23.htm) Ophir, Havilah and Jobab; all these were the sons of Joktan.
24 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-24.htm) Shem, Arpachshad, Shelah, 25 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-25.htm) Eber, Peleg, Reu, 26 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-26.htm) Serug, Nahor, Terah, 27 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-27.htm) Abram, that is Abraham. Descendants of Abraham
28 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-28.htm) The sons of Abraham were Isaac and Ishmael. 29 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-29.htm) These are their genealogies: the firstborn of Ishmael was Nebaioth, then Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam, 30 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-30.htm) Mishma, Dumah, Massa, Hadad, Tema, 31 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-31.htm) Jetur, Naphish and Kedemah; these were the sons of Ishmael. 32 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-32.htm) The sons of Keturah, Abrahamís concubine, whom she bore, were Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak and Shuah. And the sons of Jokshan were Sheba and Dedan. 33 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-33.htm) The sons of Midian were Ephah, Epher, Hanoch, Abida and Eldaah. All these were the sons of Keturah.
34 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-34.htm) Abraham became the father of Isaac. The sons of Isaac were Esau and Israel. 35 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-35.htm) The sons of Esau were Eliphaz, Reuel, Jeush, Jalam and Korah. 36 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-36.htm) The sons of Eliphaz were Teman, Omar, Zephi, Gatam, Kenaz, Timna and Amalek. 37 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-37.htm) The sons of Reuel were Nahath, Zerah, Shammah and Mizzah. 38 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-38.htm) The sons of Seir were Lotan, Shobal, Zibeon, Anah, Dishon, Ezer and Dishan. 39 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-39.htm) The sons of Lotan were Hori and Homam; and Lotanís sister was Timna. 40 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-40.htm) The sons of Shobal were Alian, Manahath, Ebal, Shephi and Onam. And the sons of Zibeon were Aiah and Anah. 41 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-41.htm) The son of Anah was Dishon. And the sons of Dishon were Hamran, Eshban, Ithran and Cheran. 42 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-42.htm) The sons of Ezer were Bilhan, Zaavan and Jaakan. The sons of Dishan were Uz and Aran.
43 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-43.htm) Now these are the kings who reigned in the land of Edom before any king of the sons of Israel reigned. Bela was the son of Beor, and the name of his city was Dinhabah. 44 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-44.htm) When Bela died, Jobab the son of Zerah of Bozrah became king in his place. 45 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-45.htm) When Jobab died, Husham of the land of the Temanites became king in his place. 46 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-46.htm) When Husham died, Hadad the son of Bedad, who defeated Midian in the field of Moab, became king in his place; and the name of his city was Avith. 47 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-47.htm) When Hadad died, Samlah of Masrekah became king in his place. 48 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-48.htm) When Samlah died, Shaul of Rehoboth by the River became king in his place. 49 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-49.htm) When Shaul died, Baal-hanan the son of Achbor became king in his place. 50 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-50.htm) When Baal-hanan died, Hadad became king in his place; and the name of his city was Pai, and his wifeís name was Mehetabel, the daughter of Matred, the daughter of Mezahab. 51 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-51.htm) Then Hadad died.
Now the chiefs of Edom were: chief Timna, chief Aliah, chief Jetheth, 52 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-52.htm) chief Oholibamah, chief Elah, chief Pinon, 53 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-53.htm) chief Kenaz, chief Teman, chief Mibzar, 54 (http://bible.cc/1_chronicles/1-54.htm) chief Magdiel, chief Iram. These were the chiefs of Edom.

Of course, this is straight geneology from 1 Chronicles.

Nevertheless, it is the graphe (scripture) of YHWH, yes?

And certainly, all scripture is--

2 Tiim 3:16-17
16 (http://bible.cc/2_timothy/3-16.htm) . . . inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
17 (http://bible.cc/2_timothy/3-17.htm) so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

So,

1) what would the anointing teach us with this chapter?

and

2) what would pastors and teachers teach us with this chapter?

(This post is congruent with the OP, by the way . . . the congruency is subtle, though.)

shepherdsword
Apr 14th 2009, 01:39 PM
The Apostle John has written the following:

1 John 2:27
27 (http://bible.cc/1_john/2-27.htm) As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.

1Jn 2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.


Verse 27 is somewhat out of context as can be seen from verse 26 above,and that is where the confusion lies. This verse was written" concerning them that seduce you" and it was simply saying that you will get an inner witness against false teachers. It doesn't contradict Ephesians.

billy-brown 2
Apr 14th 2009, 01:52 PM
1Jn 2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.


Verse 27 is somewhat out of context as can be seen from verse 26 above,and that is where the confusion lies. This verse was written" concerning them that seduce you" and it was simply saying that you will get an inner witness against false teachers. It doesn't contradict Ephesians.





Congrats . . . you got it, indeed.

(A thinking believer . . .);)

billy-brown 2
Apr 15th 2009, 12:53 PM
And now, a second passage for our consideration:

2 Thess. 2:1-13

1 (http://bible.cc/2_thessalonians/2-1.htm) Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him,
2 (http://bible.cc/2_thessalonians/2-2.htm) that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.
3 (http://bible.cc/2_thessalonians/2-3.htm) Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
4 (http://bible.cc/2_thessalonians/2-4.htm) who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.
5 (http://bible.cc/2_thessalonians/2-5.htm) Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things?
6 (http://bible.cc/2_thessalonians/2-6.htm) And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed.
7 (http://bible.cc/2_thessalonians/2-7.htm) For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.
8 (http://bible.cc/2_thessalonians/2-8.htm) Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming;
9 (http://bible.cc/2_thessalonians/2-9.htm) that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders,
10 (http://bible.cc/2_thessalonians/2-10.htm) and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.
11 (http://bible.cc/2_thessalonians/2-11.htm) For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,
12 (http://bible.cc/2_thessalonians/2-12.htm) in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.
13 (http://bible.cc/2_thessalonians/2-13.htm) But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

Of course, this is eschatology from 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2.

Nevertheless, it is the graphe (scripture) of YHWH, yes?

And certainly, all scripture is--

2 Tiim 3:16-17
16 (http://bible.cc/2_timothy/3-16.htm) . . . inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
17 (http://bible.cc/2_timothy/3-17.htm) so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

So,

1) what would the anointing teach us with this passage?

and

2) what would pastors and teachers teach us with this passage?

(This post is congruent with the OP, by the way . . . the congruency is subtle, though. Also, this is not an eschatological post per se.)

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