God has declared that whether we are Jew or Gentile, we are all under sin. We are all unrighteous, we are all unholy, we are all unclean. There is nothing that we can do to change what God has said, except to do as he has said we should do.

Rom 3:9 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=9) What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Rom 3:10 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=10) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Rom 3:26 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=26) To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Gal 3:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Let us not forget what the shed blood of Christ means for us.

Rom 3:25 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Rom 5:9 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=9) Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

God bless you!

Firstfruits

It does not matter whether or not we have to law, there is no advantage either way other than it was to the Jews that Gods words were given, beyond that there is nor advantage since God has concluded all under sin.

Rom 3:1 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=1) What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

Rom 4:9 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=4&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=9) Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

God bless!

Firstfruits

Gal 3:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Let us not forget what the shed blood of Christ means for us.

Firstfruits


The what in Scripture hath done what? The Torah. What the scripture has determined and defined as sin in regards to what is spelled out in Torah.

The same that will judge and condemn the unbeliever at the great white throne.

The what in Scripture hath done what? The Torah. What the scripture has determined and defined as sin in regards to what is spelled out in Torah.

The same that will judge and condemn the unbeliever at the great white throne.

God hath concluded that we are all in unbelief.

Rom 11:32 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=11&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=32) For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

It does not matter whether or not we know the Torah we are all under sin until we come to Christ.

Rom 4:9 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=4&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=9) Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

Just as we are all under sin, we are all to come to God through christ by faith.

With or without the law we are all the same in the sight of God. God has declared that whether we are Jew or Gentile, we are all under sin. We are all unrighteous, we are all unholy, we are all unclean. There is nothing that we can do to change what God has said, except to do as he has said we should do.

God bless you!

Firstfruits

FF, you have it down!

On this easter Sunday I hope all come to understand the great gift God has given us in Jesus Christ.
Jesus payed the penalty once & for all. He has redeemed us from an eternity separated from God.
All God asks in return is to allow Jesus to live in our heart & mind. Allow Jesus to Guide us for this short time we are on this earth.
Jesus has made us as holy as himself so that we are expectable to God.
We are entirely our of the equation once we except Jesus. There nothing we can do to be more holy, more excepted or more loved. Jesus did it all. Our job is to rest in that fact ,thank him & love one another.

FF, you have it down!

On this easter Sunday I hope all come to understand the great gift God has given us in Jesus Christ.
Jesus payed the penalty once & for all. He has redeemed us from an eternity separated from God.
All God asks in return is to allow Jesus to live in our heart & mind. Allow Jesus to Guide us for this short time we are on this earth.
Jesus has made us as holy as himself so that we are expectable to God.
We are entirely our of the equation once we except Jesus. There nothing we can do to be more holy, more excepted or more loved. Jesus did it all. Our job is to rest in that fact ,thank him & love one another.

Thanks Embankmentlb,

God bless you!

Firstfruits

I'm confused about what you're trying to say...

I'm confused about what you're trying to say...
It's not up to us to make ourselves righteous, the Pharisees as good as they were in keeping the law couldn't do enough. All our righteousness is as filthy rags.

"And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:" (Philippians 3:9)

It's up to Christ: it is His righteousness that we have, not through any deed or work we have done.

I think that's what the OP is trying to say...

It's not up to us to make ourselves righteous, the Pharisees as good as they were in keeping the law couldn't do enough. All our righteousness is as filthy rags.

"And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:" (Philippians 3:9)

It's up to Christ: it is His righteousness that we have, not through any deed or work we have done.

I think that's what the OP is trying to say...

Thanks Fuzzi,

Yes that's agreed, that is why we are all in the same condition.

As far as God is concerned there is no difference between Jew and Gentile.

Acts 15:9 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=15&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=9) And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

We all have to come to God by faith, there is no other way.

God bless you!

Firstfruits

And being JUSTIFIED by Faith.. we have PEACE with God thru our Lord Jesus Christ...

Faith in what He has Already accompllished... Faith like a child....

It is Finshed!

its not 'faith' in how 'righteous' we can become out of our own power or how good we believe we can be...thats but filthy rags.. when put in Perspective to what the Holy One of Isreal accomplished in the Flesh...

the JUST shall live by Faith.

It's not up to us to make ourselves righteous, the Pharisees as good as they were in keeping the law couldn't do enough. All our righteousness is as filthy rags.

"And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:" (Philippians 3:9)

It's up to Christ: it is His righteousness that we have, not through any deed or work we have done.

I think that's what the OP is trying to say...

Of our own selves, we are all unrighteous. Before I was saved, I was just as filthy as the serial killer. For sake of this discussion, I am going to leave out the concept or origional sin. I think we have all committed at lesat one sin, so we do not even need to deal with the concept of origional sin here. When I sinned, I broke the law. I did not break a piece of the law, I broke the entire law. My first sin was probably the sin of greed, but when I committed it; I for all practical purposes, I committed every other sin simultaneously. The law is like a giant pane of glass. It does not really matter if you shoot a bb through it or drive a truck through it; it is still broken. A break of any part violates the whole. Before I was saved, I was guilty of all sins. The only way I could be righteous was for the only righteous man who ever lived to make me righteous. When I accepted Jesus as Savior, I put on His righteousness. He made me righteous. I did not make myself righteous, I allowed Him to do it. Through the work of Christ, I am now righteous. When The Father sees me, He sees the blood of His son, not the works of my flesh. Christ freely gave me His gift of righteousness. I am now righteous in my spirit. My flesh will continue to sin, but that in no way affects the righteousness Christ freely gave to me.
It simplifies this discussion greatly if differentiation is made between "righteousness" and "Self righteousness." We as believers are "righteous" in Christ. As believers, just as we were when we were unsaved, we still have no "self righteousness."

Of our own selves, we are all unrighteous. Before I was saved, I was just as filthy as the serial killer. For sake of this discussion, I am going to leave out the concept or origional sin. I think we have all committed at lesat one sin, so we do not even need to deal with the concept of origional sin here. When I sinned, I broke the law. I did not break a piece of the law, I broke the entire law. My first sin was probably the sin of greed, but when I committed it; I for all practical purposes, I committed every other sin simultaneously. The law is like a giant pane of glass. It does not really matter if you shoot a bb through it or drive a truck through it; it is still broken. A break of any part violates the whole. Before I was saved, I was guilty of all sins. The only way I could be righteous was for the only righteous man who ever lived to make me righteous. When I accepted Jesus as Savior, I put on His righteousness. He made me righteous. I did not make myself righteous, I allowed Him to do it. Through the work of Christ, I am now righteous. When The Father sees me, He sees the blood of His son, not the works of my flesh. Christ freely gave me His gift of righteousness. I am now righteous in my spirit. My flesh will continue to sin, but that in no way affects the righteousness Christ freely gave to me.
It simplifies this discussion greatly if differentiation is made between "righteousness" and "Self righteousness." We as believers are "righteous" in Christ. As believers, just as we were when we were unsaved, we still have no "self righteousness."

As it is written the righteousnes we have is Gods.

Mt 6:33 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=40&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=33) But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Rom 1:17 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=17) For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Rom 3:21 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=21) But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Rom 3:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

God bless you!

Firstfruits

And being JUSTIFIED by Faith.. we have PEACE with God thru our Lord Jesus Christ...

Faith in what He has Already accompllished... Faith like a child....

It is Finshed!

its not 'faith' in how 'righteous' we can become out of our own power or how good we believe we can be...thats but filthy rags.. when put in Perspective to what the Holy One of Isreal accomplished in the Flesh...

the JUST shall live by Faith.

Thanks TBD,

God bless you!

Firstfruits

It's not up to us to make ourselves righteous, the Pharisees as good as they were in keeping the law couldn't do enough. All our righteousness is as filthy rags.

"And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:" (Philippians 3:9)

It's up to Christ: it is His righteousness that we have, not through any deed or work we have done.

I think that's what the OP is trying to say...

I only want to say that the Phraisees were lousy at keeping God's written Torah.

But yeah, they were probably OK at keeping religion, but that doesn't have much to do with God. Jesus even told them they were OK to keep their man-made halachah (or fences), but the writtien commands of God were much weightier.

Mat 23:23
(23)"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.

I only want to say that the Phraisees were lousy at keeping God's written Torah.

But yeah, they were probably OK at keeping religion, but that doesn't have much to do with God. Jesus even told them they were OK to keep their man-made halachah (or fences), but the writtien commands of God were much weightier.

Mat 23:23
(23)"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.


Hey Keck, I caught a big time revelation in that Scripture. I know the Torah is more than a list of do's and do not do's. However, I see something in the instructions towards justice, mercy, and faithfulness. Our exercise of trust is within this arena. It is like being provided with the gym, track, sports equipment, and team, moreover, the win before one even plays the game.

Hey Keck, I caught a big time revelation in that Scripture. I know the Torah is more than a list of do's and do not do's. However, I see something in the instructions towards justice, mercy, and faithfulness. Our exercise of trust is within this arena. It is like being provided with the gym, track, sports equipment, and team, moreover, the win before one even plays the game.

Amen and amen. You have to realize that it was men who numbered the mitzvahs and created the confusion in the first place.

Hey Keck, I caught a big time revelation in that Scripture. I know the Torah is more than a list of do's and do not do's. However, I see something in the instructions towards justice, mercy, and faithfulness. Our exercise of trust is within this arena. It is like being provided with the gym, track, sports equipment, and team, moreover, the win before one even plays the game.

Yet for all that have the law, God has said that there is none righteous, there is none that doeth good, we are all under sin whether we have the law or not. Having the law does not make that person different from he that does not have the law.

We are all under sin, and no amount of the law can change that.

God bless you!

Firstfruits

As far as God is concerned regarding the law, even if we could keep it 100% God has declared that we are all under sin, as if we never had it.

There are no benefits whether we have it or not.

"There is none righteous" This is Gods declaration that we are all under sin whether we have the law or not, so do we accept the word of God? :bible:
Those that have the law are as unrighteous as those that do not have the law, we are all unclean. :bible:

God bless you!

Firstfruits

As it is written the righteousnes we have is Gods.

Mt 6:33 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=40&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=33) But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Rom 1:17 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=17) For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Rom 3:21 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=21) But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Rom 3:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

God bless you!

Firstfruits

When we speak of the Righteousness of God, we are really speaking of the righteousness of Christ. This is one of the many things that make the Trinity such an interesting, yet confusing concept. Christ Gave us His Righteousness. When we say "the righteousness of God" or "the righteousness of Jesus Christ," we are speaking of the origin of the righteousness. We are given the gift of righteousness. God, or Christ to be specific is the source of the righteousness, but we are now the possessor.

I will give a worldly example of this concept. If my earthly father gave me a photograph of himself, it would still be his photograph. I would now be the owner of the photograph.

When we speak of the Righteousness of God, we are really speaking of the righteousness of Christ. This is one of the many things that make the Trinity such an interesting, yet confusing concept. Christ Gave us His Righteousness. When we say "the righteousness of God" or "the righteousness of Jesus Christ," we are speaking of the origin of the righteousness. We are given the gift of righteousness. God, or Christ to be specific is the source of the righteousness, but we are now the possessor.

I will give a worldly example of this concept. If my earthly father gave me a photograph of himself, it would still be his photograph. I would now be the owner of the photograph.

Thank you Reynolds357,

God bless you!

Firstfruits

Since we are made righteous by what Christ has done for saved sinners then that proves a person can not be saved with water baptism. It just gets you wet and the traveler still has a punched ticket to hell.

Tomlane

Since we are made righteous by what Christ has done for saved sinners then that proves a person can not be saved with water baptism. It just gets you wet and the traveler still has a punched ticket to hell.

Tomlane

It is true that water baptism itself does not save us but it shows to others our desire to be saved through faith in christ.

Rom 3:22 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=22) Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

God bless you!

Firstfruits

What was the purpose of Gods declaration that we are all under sin?

Rom 3:9 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=9) What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

Firstfruits

Firstfruits stated:
It is true that water baptism itself does not save us but it shows to others our desire to be saved through faith in christ.

Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

I fail to see the connection between faith in Jesus Christ for salvation has anything to do with water baptism. Also the only water baptism spoken of in the new testament is John the Baptist's baptism of repentance. Also if a person has already repented of their sins seems to me, a jewish cerimonal baptism that was to announce the coming of the Messiah is adding to God's word. Also Ephsians 4:5 says their is only one baptism not two.

Ephesians 4:5 *One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

When anyone is water baptized that is not worshiping God in the spirit but in the flesh because without the use of the flesh you can't be water baptized.

Philippians 3:3 *For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

The word baptize means to be put into or immersed into and water proves nothing since there are no scriptures to support such a notion. We are put into Christ by an operation; a spiritual baptism by God. If I was to be water baptized I could boast in my own works and it does not show an act of faith but rather displays an act of wrongly dividing God's word.

Colossians 2:12 *Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

None of the Gentile believers after Acts 15 was ever recorded of being water baptized; and none of the four requirements for Gentiles found in Acts 15 were of any kind of cerimonal ordinances.

Ephesians 2:15 *Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

The one way either Jew or Gentile has peace with God is not to be under any law of any kind other then moral law, because the Mosiac law was only for Jews and all of the the ordinaces attached to Mosiac law. Not even a Jew or is any one is required by law to show an act of faith by being water baptized.

It does not make sense to put the yoke or an ordinance upon anyone when Christ has made us free from all of that. We are under grace, the law of anykind nulifies grace in a believers walk and for a saved pesrson to go back under law after being saved shows lack of understanding of grace.

I would also think if a person has a desire to accept Christ through faith they are already saved, because God is not slack in His promise to save us when we have put our faith in him. Walk by faith {God's word} and not by physical acts is what God wants from believers for we please God when we walk by faith alone.

James 2:17 *Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Our works should be what God's will is for believers as set forth in scripture nothing more.

Romans 10:17 *So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Again fristfruits, where is your scripture to back up such a doctrine?

Tomlane


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Firstfruits stated:

I fail to see the connection between faith in Jesus Christ for salvation has anything to do with water baptism. Also the only water baptism spoken of in the new testament is John the Baptist's baptism of repentance. Also if a person has already repented of their sins seems to me, a jewish cerimonal baptism that was to announce the coming of the Messiah is adding to God's word. Also Ephsians 4:5 says their is only one baptism not two.

Ephesians 4:5 *One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

When anyone is water baptized that is not worshiping God in the spirit but in the flesh because without the use of the flesh you can't be water baptized.

Philippians 3:3 *For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

The word baptize means to be put into or immersed into and water proves nothing since there are no scriptures to support such a notion. We are put into Christ by an operation; a spiritual baptism by God. If I was to be water baptized I could boast in my own works and it does not show an act of faith but rather displays an act of wrongly dividing God's word.

Colossians 2:12 *Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

None of the Gentile believers after Acts 15 was ever recorded of being water baptized; and none of the four requirements for Gentiles found in Acts 15 were of any kind of cerimonal ordinances.

Ephesians 2:15 *Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

The one way either Jew or Gentile has peace with God is not to be under any law of any kind other then moral law, because the Mosiac law was only for Jews and all of the the ordinaces attached to Mosiac law. Not even a Jew or is any one is required by law to show an act of faith by being water baptized.

It does not make sense to put the yoke or an ordinance upon anyone when Christ has made us free from all of that. We are under grace, the law of anykind nulifies grace in a believers walk and for a saved pesrson to go back under law after being saved shows lack of understanding of grace.

I would also think if a person has a desire to accept Christ through faith they are already saved, because God is not slack in His promise to save us when we have put our faith in him. Walk by faith {God's word} and not by physical acts is what God wants from believers for we please God when we walk by faith alone.

James 2:17 *Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Our works should be what God's will is for believers as set forth in scripture nothing more.

Romans 10:17 *So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Again fristfruits, where is your scripture to back up such a doctrine?

Tomlane


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I hope the following will be helpful to you.

Mk 16:16 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=41&CHAP=16&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=16) He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Jn 3:23 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=43&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=23) And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Jn 4:2 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=43&CHAP=4&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=2) (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

Acts 2:38 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=2&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 2:41 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=2&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=41) Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Acts 8:12 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=8&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=12) But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Acts 8:13 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=8&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=13) Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.

Acts 10:47 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=10&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=47) Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Acts 10:48 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=10&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=48) And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 18:8 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=18&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=8) And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.

Rom 6:3 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Gal 3:27 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=27) For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

God bless you!

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FF, just a sidebar...but after all these discussions, can you share any changes in your relationship with God?

FF, just a sidebar...but after all these discussions, can you share any changes in your relationship with God?

They have caused me to trust God even more, to depend on his word. I understand even more how important it is to allow God to lead. He is my Father.

God bless you!

Firstfruits

We know that God has declared that there is none righteous according to the scriptures; Rom 3:9 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=9) What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; Rom 3:10 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=10) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

What therefore is the difference between the righteousness of the law and the rightouesness of God.

God bless You!

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We all have the same opportunity and access to God.

Rom 4:14 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=4&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=14) For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

Gal 3:21 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=21) Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Because of Gods declaration those that have the law do not have an automatic right to the inheritance. Whether we have the law or not we have the same opportunity.

God bless you!

Firstfruits

They have caused me to trust God even more, to depend on his word. I understand even more how important it is to allow God to lead. He is my Father.

God bless you!

Firstfruits

That is truely a joy to hear!!!!!! Amen

That is truely a joy to hear!!!!!! Amen

Thanks keck,

I trust the same is true for you?

God bless you!

Firstfruits