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bagofseed
Apr 19th 2009, 06:15 AM
Did you know, that God has a no cowards in heaven policy?

markedward
Apr 19th 2009, 06:22 AM
Define "coward", and show Biblical support for your premise.

bagofseed
Apr 19th 2009, 06:35 AM
Re 21:8 (http://classicbst.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=re+21:8&version=nsn&st=1&sd=1&new=1&showtools=1)"But for the cowardly (http://classicbst.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=1169&version=nas) and unbelieving (http://classicbst.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=571&version=nas) and abominable (http://classicbst.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=948&version=nas) and murderers (http://classicbst.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=5406&version=nas) and immoral (http://classicbst.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=4205&version=nas) persons (http://classicbst.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=4205&version=nas) and sorcerers (http://classicbst.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=5333&version=nas) and idolaters (http://classicbst.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=1496&version=nas) and all (http://classicbst.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3956&version=nas) liars (http://classicbst.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=5571&version=nas), their part (http://classicbst.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3313&version=nas) will be in the lake (http://classicbst.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3041&version=nas) that burns (http://classicbst.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2545&version=nas) with fire (http://classicbst.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=4442&version=nas) and brimstone (http://classicbst.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2303&version=nas), which (http://classicbst.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3739&version=nas) is the second (http://classicbst.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=1208&version=nas) death (http://classicbst.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2288&version=nas).

bagofseed
Apr 19th 2009, 06:37 AM
The two other uses of the word translated cowardly.

Mt 8:26 (http://classicbst.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?passage=mt+8:26&version=nas&showtools=yes) And He said to them, "Why are you timid, you men of little faith?" Then He arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and it became perfectly calm.

Mr 4:40 (http://classicbst.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?passage=mr+4:40&version=nas&showtools=yes) And He said to them, "Why are you so timid? How is it that you have no faith?"

markedward
Apr 19th 2009, 06:39 AM
Alright, we've got a Scriptural point of reference, good.

Now, how does Scripture used the word "coward"? Is it a believer who is afraid of God, or of other Christians, or of bodily harm? Or is it believers who have no trust that God will be with them despite worldly shortcomings? Or is it strictly unbelievers who are "cowards"?

markedward
Apr 19th 2009, 06:40 AM
Oh! Good. Two more points of reference.

So it's like I said in my last post. Scripture seems to use the word "cowards" to refer to people who are believers, but they have "little faith". They are faithless believers (sort of an oxymoron).

Equipped_4_Love
Apr 19th 2009, 06:46 AM
Alright, we've got a Scriptural point of reference, good.

Now, how does Scripture used the word "coward"? Is it a believer who is afraid of God, or of other Christians, or of bodily harm? Or is it believers who have no trust that God will be with them despite worldly shortcomings? Or is it strictly unbelievers who are "cowards"?

It appears that in the Revelations verse, it is referring to unbelievers.

As far as the Matthew and Mark verses, I don't think that coward is the best interpretation

Addams Family
Apr 19th 2009, 07:31 AM
the cowardly, murderers and liars can ask for forgiveness any one can

matthew7and1
Apr 19th 2009, 08:30 AM
the cowardly, murderers and liars can ask for forgiveness any one can

:agree: that is the mercy of God for ya!

dan
Apr 19th 2009, 10:36 AM
:agree: that is the mercy of God for ya!

You can even pray to be given courage, and He will grant it. Let's not forget to pray for Wisdom also, about when to be courageous.

MT 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

MK 4:24 And he said unto them, Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given.
MK 4:25 For he that hath, to him shall be given: and he that hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he hath.

LK 11:21 When a strong man armed keepeth his court, those things are in peace which he possesseth.

MT 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

bagofseed
Apr 19th 2009, 11:33 PM
It appears that in the Revelations verse, it is referring to unbelievers.

As far as the Matthew and Mark verses, I don't think that coward is the best interpretation
Well it is the same word in each case.

bagofseed
Apr 19th 2009, 11:35 PM
the cowardly, murderers and liars can ask for forgiveness any one can
But what if they remain cowardly?

Does the scriptures say only unforgiven cowards will suffer such a fate?

Partaker of Christ
Apr 20th 2009, 12:00 AM
Did you know, that God has a no cowards in heaven policy?

Last I read, they would not even be spot, or stain of sin in heaven.

For we will all be tranformed, in a moment in the twinkling of an eye. And when we see Him face to face, we shall be like He is!!!!!!!!!!

bagofseed
Apr 20th 2009, 01:27 AM
Last I read, they would not even be spot, or stain of sin in heaven.

For we will all be tranformed, in a moment in the twinkling of an eye. And when we see Him face to face, we shall be like He is!!!!!!!!!!
OOPS my bad.

Guess I should add some context.

The one who conquers will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be my son. But to the cowards, unbelievers, detestable persons, murderers, the sexually immoral, and those who practice magic spells, idol worshipers, and all those who lie, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. That is the second death.”

Clearly overcomers (conquerors) and cowards have two different destinations.

So, whats the difference between a forgiven coward who remains a coward and an overcomer.

What makes one an overcomer?
What is it about a coward that makes him unacceptable even with the grace and mercy of the cross?

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