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musicmiss
Apr 21st 2009, 07:35 PM
What does the bible say about going to a casino? Is it ok if you're just going for fun? What if you use the money on bills? Is it ok or is it wrong?

Fsbirdhouse
Apr 21st 2009, 07:59 PM
Father Mark,
Could you please supply a verse or several, so I'll know to look for reference?

Emanate
Apr 21st 2009, 08:19 PM
1 Erasmus 3:20

be ye not gamblers, lest you be the evil gambling sort.

keck553
Apr 21st 2009, 08:38 PM
If you have to ask us, I think God has already told you.

Or, ask yourself this question, and it's one I dealt with myself when I gambled: Since the loser never really makes peace with his losses does he forgive or forget the winner?

If gambling begets these circumstances, the result is sin.

Gulah Papyrus
Apr 21st 2009, 08:57 PM
I think you can go to a casino and not 'gamble' so to speak...most people don't, but it can be done...and I'm not saying you can't play the games either. If you play for entertainment purposes then I don't think it's 'gambling' and is okay. If you are gambling money that you can't afford to lose, then yes, it is wrong, but if you take money that you have budgeted for entertainment and decide to spend it at the casino instead of the golf course or the football game, then I don't think it is a problem.

When I was growing up I remember my parents would go to the Aksarben Horse track here in Omaha once a summer and it was kind of a 'big night out' for them...but they weren't going in order to make money, they were going with a group of friends to have fun...nothing more. My mother is as frugal as it gets and she looooooves to play $5 black jack if she's on vacation, but she never ever goes to the casino that is 10 minutes away in Iowa.

Personally, I don't go because I spent enough time in casinos before I became a Christian that it lost it's allure and I don't see it as 'fun', but some do.

As keck stated, you know if what you are doing is right or wrong.

karenoka27
Apr 21st 2009, 09:11 PM
I believe as Christians we have the freedom to do what we want. I would suggest however,that before you do anything,take it to the Lord in prayer and see if it is what He would have you to do.
You asked for some verses from the Bible:

1 Corinthians 8:9-"But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak."

1 Corinthians 10:31-"Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God."

Acts 24:16-"And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void to offence toward God, and toward men."

I personally haven't gambled since I was saved. I think my money would be better used for missions or to help a family in need than to throw it away at a casino. Just my opinion.

Windmill2000
Apr 21st 2009, 09:34 PM
A Christian woman plays bingo once a week with friends for a night out.... I dont see that as a problem.

A Christian guy buys a lottery ticket once a week ...... I dont see that as a problem.

A Christian puts 1 or $1 into a slot machine then leaves ....... I dont see that as a problem.


A Christian uses money he cant afford to lose on any of the above named things..... I see big problems.

Just my thoughts on the question but then again I'm no expert.

Fsbirdhouse
Apr 21st 2009, 09:44 PM
We seem to be missing a post by Father Mark.
But I can see that it is mainly a matter of opinion.
I hate casinos but for the Friday night seafood buffet.
But my wife............loves the penny machine.
Being the swell guy that I am,....I give her a penny to play with before dinner.

Emanate
Apr 21st 2009, 09:53 PM
We seem to be missing a post by Father Mark.
But I can see that it is mainly a matter of opinion.
I hate casinos but for the Friday night seafood buffet.
But my wife............loves the penny machine.
Being the swell guy that I am,....I give her a penny to play with before dinner.


Big Spender. Gotta keep the ladies happy.

-SEEKING-
Apr 22nd 2009, 01:48 AM
Is it ok to go to the casino?

As long as your only going in there to use the restroom. :cool:

markedward
Apr 22nd 2009, 02:34 AM
I found this to be a good enough explanation:


The Bible doesn't say that gambling is a sin. Before one chooses to walk down this path in life, however, they should ask themselves the question "Although it is permissible, is it beneficial? Although it is permissible is it constructive?"

HisLeast
Apr 22nd 2009, 02:59 AM
Gambling is a tax on people who are bad at math. :lol:

My_King
Apr 22nd 2009, 03:03 AM
For me personally, I can't see spending hard earned money to simply "toss" to the casino to make them more wealthy and me more poor.

In my own personal opinion, I don't see this as good stewardship of the money God allowed me to work for and make.

At the same time, I've been to a Casino in KS City and my husband and I had a great time. We each took $20 apiece with us and left ALL OUR MONEY in a safe at the hotel and when we were done blowing that amount, we were done.

Later I thought about that $40 and wondered what we could have done with it to edify the body of Christ instead of handing it over to the Casino? We haven't ever been to one since.

But that's us.

bagofseed
Apr 22nd 2009, 03:08 AM
The real question we should ask is "Is it best?".

Equipped_4_Love
Apr 22nd 2009, 03:29 AM
Ask yourself this -- Is gambling at the casino being a good steward of the money that God gives you?

I'm too much of a tightwad to enjoy a night of gambling. Even before I was saved -- It was torture.

musicmiss
Apr 22nd 2009, 07:03 AM
Ok thanks guys... Here's the situation around me going... first of all, I don't go hardly ever. I only go when I'm hanging out with one friend who likes to go. He will spot me the money, so I don't use my own that I don't have. If I win, I pay him back what he spotted me and keep the rest to use towards bills. If I lose, then he's ok with it. He has massive amounts of money so he's not spending money that he doesn't have, and he still gives to all who ask or who are in need. I only go for fun, but if i do happen to win money, i use it for bills since i am tight on cash. if i had alot of money, then i would still go just for fun, and i would use any winnings i earned to help anyone who needed it or towards missions or some other ministry based thing. So that's why I've felt like it's ok for me to go.

But then I've also heard people tell me that the bible says its wrong to gamble, which is where this question came from, cause i wasn't sure.

I do try to witness to the dealers and the players around me when I'm at the casino, so I even try to take the time spent there to glorify God.

So are there any other thoughts on it after explaining it that way?

keck553
Apr 22nd 2009, 03:39 PM
The safest 'gamble' with disposable income is to give it to the poor. $20.00 can literally save someone's life.

RabbiKnife
Apr 22nd 2009, 04:55 PM
I understand your statement, but, under your premise, if we have any "disposable income" -- whatever that means, mine seems to dispose of itself-- that we use for entertainment purposes or recreation or anything other than absolute bare essentials, then using it for any purpose other than the poor is a sin?

Maybe I'm reading too much into that.

Ascension
Apr 23rd 2009, 12:09 AM
This is how I see it. 1st of all I rarely go to the casino, and when I do I can afford to blow $50. I can sit at a Poker table for a few hours and interact with the heathens, I do not have a problem with it. I am out for the night for some entertainment, how I choose that is another thing. I can take that same $50 buy meal and go watch a movie and I've probably done my doe for the night. But that's cool cause it's what I wanted to do. Next week I think I will go the the casino with $50 I can afford to blow and sit there for quite a few hours having some fun. If I lose the $50, woopdee doo, I went with the intention and a high possibility I will lose that money. If I win, great, and only taking $50 you not going to win huge amounts of money. On the other hand if I had my very last $50 and decided to go to the casino in the hope that I can turn that $50 into a couple grand or even a few hundred dollars just to get by, I have a serious problem. If gambling has control over you, you really do have a serious problem.

My_King
Apr 23rd 2009, 12:24 AM
Maybe it's more about our intention and not so much about the money?

Why are we gambling? To have fun? To get rich quick? Are we lusting after a high dollar income? Are we fantasizing about the "toys" we'll buy with our new winnings?

Can't we have fun in a way that may not become addictive? Are we trying to make money to pay our bills by gambling instead of relying on God to give us what we need?

I'm just throwing ideas out here, not really saying anyone is doing this...I'm just thinking out loud... Well, thinking on a computer keyboard anyway! :)

musicmiss
Apr 23rd 2009, 06:21 AM
Maybe it's more about our intention and not so much about the money?

Why are we gambling? To have fun? To get rich quick? Are we lusting after a high dollar income? Are we fantasizing about the "toys" we'll buy with our new winnings?

Can't we have fun in a way that may not become addictive? Are we trying to make money to pay our bills by gambling instead of relying on God to give us what we need?

I'm just throwing ideas out here, not really saying anyone is doing this...I'm just thinking out loud... Well, thinking on a computer keyboard anyway! :)


That's a good thought. Do you think that God might be providing through the casino? It's kind of a wierd idea... but if you only go every once in a while and you happen to win most of the time (which I do and my friend tells me the odds of that are very rare and yet it happens for me) it kind of seems like it's from God. thoughts?

HisLeast
Apr 24th 2009, 01:28 PM
That's a good thought. Do you think that God might be providing through the casino? It's kind of a wierd idea... but if you only go every once in a while and you happen to win most of the time (which I do and my friend tells me the odds of that are very rare and yet it happens for me) it kind of seems like it's from God. thoughts?

Something spiritual to consider...
Just because we find the outcome desirable does not mean its from God. Surely nobody would consider it wise or Godly for me to solicit prostitutes, and then share the gospel with them afterwords. Why? Because God has nothing to do with unrighteousness. For this to be "from God" would mean that God compelled hundreds of people to gamble and lose so that you would get the right odds for a win. Doesn't sound like God to me. He doesn't reach out to the lost and broken by compromising with them on their sin. I'd suggest flipping through scripture and looking at any of the stories of people God used to advance His perfect will. What kind of behavior did God expect from them?

Something practical to consider...
"The House" (the people you play against in gambling) plays for the long run, and they ALWAYS win. Even the best gamblers in the world know this. The House always always always always ALWAYS wins... eventually. The people who "beat" the house are those who quit in the RARE cases when they get ahead early. The House doesn't care though, because those winnings are paid for 1000 times over by people who are consistently losing. If you continue to play, the money you pay in will eventually (read: quickly) surpass your winnings. Its simple math.

How simple is the math? Well lets look at the "bread and butter" game of the casino: the slot machine. In a 2002 survey the hottest (highest paying) slots in Las Vegas was at The Palms casino with 93% payout. That means the machine kept 7% of all money put in it. Some walked away ahead, a couple walked away way ahead, and thousands of people walked away down. Not a single slot machine in Vegas has paid out more than was lost on it already.

JonathanDWhitehead
Apr 24th 2009, 02:37 PM
As long as your only going in there to use the restroom. :cool:

Just because someone's foolish enough to lay their money out in front of you, it does not give you the right to take their money.

I believe the Bible holds all of life's answers and I believe gambling violates many biblical principles. Thus, making it a sin to engage in.

-SEEKING-
Apr 24th 2009, 02:38 PM
The last time, and the only time, that I went to a casino I went because it happened to be the location designated for some paperwork I had to pick up. Holy moly. I felt like I was in a smoke testing factory. How could anyone purposely go there and enjoy that place. Gross! :confused

-SEEKING-
Apr 24th 2009, 02:40 PM
Just because someone's foolish enough to lay their money out in front of you, it does not give you the right to take their money.

I believe the Bible holds all of life's answers and I believe gambling violates many biblical principles. Thus, making it a sin to engage in.

Well I don't take anyone's money, nor do I work in a casino. So I'm not sure why you quoted me exactly. :wasup:

JonathanDWhitehead
Apr 24th 2009, 02:44 PM
Well I don't take anyone's money, nor do I work in a casino. So I'm not sure why you quoted me exactly. :wasup:

I new here but I titled the post "Agreed". Indicating that I agreed with your quote that it is not sin to walk into a casino to use the restroom. :)

-SEEKING-
Apr 24th 2009, 07:41 PM
I new here but I titled the post "Agreed". Indicating that I agreed with your quote that it is not sin to walk into a casino to use the restroom. :)

Oops. Sorry I hadn't noticed that. Thanks for the clarification.

musicmiss
Apr 24th 2009, 08:03 PM
Just because someone's foolish enough to lay their money out in front of you, it does not give you the right to take their money.

I believe the Bible holds all of life's answers and I believe gambling violates many biblical principles. Thus, making it a sin to engage in.


can you please share scripture references for this?

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