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Firstfruits
Apr 24th 2009, 12:46 PM
According to the scriptures;:bible:

What is the difference between the law of Moses and the law of Christ?

What is the difference between loving thy neighbour according to the law of Moses and loving thy neighbour according to the law of Christ?

God bless you!

Firstfruits

Sojourner
Apr 24th 2009, 08:13 PM
According to the scriptures;:bible:

What is the difference between the law of Moses and the law of Christ?

What is the difference between loving thy neighbour according to the law of Moses and loving thy neighbour according to the law of Christ?

God bless you!

Firstfruits"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." Gal. 5:14 :)

The smiley-man.

faithfulfriend
Apr 24th 2009, 08:42 PM
According to the scriptures;:bible:

What is the difference between the law of Moses and the law of Christ?

What is the difference between loving thy neighbour according to the law of Moses and loving thy neighbour according to the law of Christ?

God bless you!

Firstfruits

Excellent question.

"For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ" (John 1:17). "Jesus the mediator of the new covenant [testament, margin]" (Heb. 12:24). "Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ" (Gal. 6:2).

Here are contrasted the two systems. The first was "the law" given by Moses, its mediator; the second is "grace and truth," the new testament, which came by Christ, its mediator.

The new testament is "the law of Christ." This is the law Christians are now under.

In Isa. 42:17 we have a clear prediction of the coming of Christ and his redemptive work. "And the isles shall wait for his law" (vs. 4). The law of Moses was given to one nation—Israel. But of the law of Christ— the new testament—it was foretold that "the isles" should wait for it. "The isles" here mean the different nations of earth. The gospel is for all people and nations.

The command is, "Preach the gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15), "Teach all nations" (Matt. 28:19). The gospel is "his [Christ's] law." The isles and the ends of the earth waited for this law; it is the standard of judgment in the earth.

Christ is the "one law giver" of this dispensation (Jas. 4:12). For God at "sundry times and in divers [various] manners" spake unto the fathers in time past, but "hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son" (Heb. 1:1, 2).

In the presence of Moses on the mount, God said of Christ, "This is my beloved Son; hear ye him" (Matt. 17:15). Moses and his law are ruled out of this dispensation, and Christ and his superior law now rule in its stead. To go back to Moses is to reject Christ. To go under the law is to ignore the gospel.

Christ taught the people "as one having authority" (Matt. 7:29). The precepts he taught are his law. We are under the "law of Christ" (1 Cor. 9:21). "Under Christ's law."—Emphatic Diaglott.

His law is the truth (John 1:17). The law of Moses gendered to bondage (Gal. 4:24), while the truth makes men free (John 8:32). We obey and walk in the truth (3 John 3). The law of Christ is the standard of conviction to sinners. When guilty souls fall at the mercy seat for pardon, the law of Sinai never enters their minds. They consider only how they have grieved the Spirit of Christ, and broken his law— the new testament.

The new testament is a much higher law than the old. It not only condemns all manner of sin, but lifts up a standard of holy living far above the stone table law. The grandest lessons of moral and religious truth ever spoken to men were given in Christ's Sermon on the Mount.

The New Testament condemns sin in every form, lifts up the standard of righteousness and holiness in life and experience, and offers life and salvation to all. It is "the perfect law of liberty" (Jas. 1:25), "the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus" (Rom. 8:2).

To break Moses' law— the Sabbath, etc.—was to be stoned to death. The penalty was temporal. But to break Christ's law is to be worthy of eternal damnation. In the day of judgment the Decalog will not be our standard of judgment but "the word that I [Christ] have spoken, the same shall judge him at the last day" (John 12:48). "When the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God," punishment will not be meted out to those who disregard the letter of the law as written in the tables of stone, but punishment will then be given to those "that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ" (2 Thess. 1:7, 9).

The law of Christ—the gospel—will be the standard by which we shall be judged in that day. To disobey the precepts of Christ is to sin. And to sin against his law is to make ourselves liable to eternal judgment and punishment. Obedience to Christ is what the New Testament enjoins (2 Cor. 10:5; Heb. 5:9).

The law of Christ, is that law by which we shall be judged in the last day.

keck553
Apr 24th 2009, 08:45 PM
That's like asking what the difference is between an author and his book.

None. God does not oppose God.

Followtheway
Apr 24th 2009, 11:59 PM
The word became flesh and tabernacled with us, the word became Messiah. Jesus himself is the law, he showed us how to properly live it and how to be just like him, in doing so the Torah was fulfilled. This doesnt mean its abolished or gone this means that it is fulfilled what the law points to has come. Now it is his law and it is not to be a curse to us, it is to be followed as of third importance next to Love the Lord and loving his people.

THOM
Apr 25th 2009, 01:31 AM
According to the scriptures;:bible:

What is the difference between the law of Moses and the law of Christ?

The is no difference between the two, just/only in the applications;

Someone can attempt to keep all 613 Commandments of "the law of Moses" (Romans 10:5); And a word of warning to the person attempting to keep them---THEY MUST BE KEPT PERFECTLY!!!

or you can "Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. (Galatians 6:2ff)"


What is the difference between loving thy neighbour according to the law of Moses and loving thy neighbour according to the law of Christ?
God bless you!
FirstfruitsAgain, No difference in the two, just/only in the applications;

The law of Moses must be kept PERFECTLY. . .out side of CHRIST;

JESUS CHRIST kept The law of Moses. . .PERFECTLY. JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY ONE to have kept The law of Moses. . .PERFECTLY.

The law of CHRIST must be kept PERFECTLY. . .but it can only be done so, IN CHRIST.

dan
Apr 25th 2009, 10:13 AM
That's like asking what the difference is between an author and his book.

None. God does not oppose God.

Exactly right!

God does not change His Mind about what is correct.

Belief in Jesus allows you to be forgiven for your sins in a way that is not of the Hebrew Law.

Firstfruits
Apr 25th 2009, 01:10 PM
Thanks for all that have taken the time to reply, all replies have been noted.

If the law of Moses and the law of Christ is the same then 'it' must be the will of God. If it is the will of God then it will lead to perfection.

Heb 13:21 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=58&CHAP=13&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=21) Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is well-pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

If the law of Moses has not changed then the following still applies;

Heb 7:19 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=58&CHAP=7&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=19) For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

If the law made nothing perfect then can it be the same as what is written in the following?

Jas 1:25 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=59&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=25) But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

If the law of Moses and the law of Christ is the same then by following the law of Christ or the law of Moses must lead to perfection but we are reminded of the differences in the following scripture.

Gal 3:3 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=3) Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

For those who believe they are the same, do you have any scripture to the contrary of what is written?

According to scripture the law of Moses and the law of Christ are not the same though they are both of God.

Acts 13:39 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=13&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=39) And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

The love according to the law of Moses is not the same as the love according to the law of Christ.

The commandment to love thy neighbour according to the law of Moses was for Jews to love Jews. The love according to the law of Christ is for all, not just for Jews.

Again the law made nothing perfect, so if loving thy neighbour according to the law was the same it would make us perfect by obeying it, but what does it say?

Heb 7:19 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=58&CHAP=7&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=19) For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

They are not the same.

As I said before, if anyone has anything according to scripture to show otherwise please feel free to post them.

God bless you!

Firstfruits

dan
Apr 25th 2009, 01:49 PM
They are not the same.

As I said before, if anyone has anything according to scripture to show otherwise please feel free to post them.

God bless you!

Firstfruits

...One is part of the other. You cannot look at Christ's Law without knowing that it is from the Hebrew Law.

I don't know anyone who thinks that the OT should be eliminated from the Bible.

2TIM 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2TIM 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

ACTS 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
ACTS 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

MT 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Followtheway
Apr 25th 2009, 02:42 PM
It would not be for jews to love jews because jew is short for someone from Judah and that would count out the rest of the Isrealites. Its true that we are not justified by the law of Moses, we never were. The law was never able to make us perfect, but it does gain righteousness (right-living) There different in the aspect that Christ tore the veil and brought the spirit to make the law and us perfect.

Firstfruits
Apr 25th 2009, 04:03 PM
How do we explain the following if they are the same, would they that attained the righteousness of the law not be perfect, yet they did not attain the righteousness of God?

Rom 9:30 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=9&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=30) What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

Rom 9:31 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=9&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=31) But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

If they were doing the works of the law according to Gods command why would they not be made perfect?

Heb 13:21 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=58&CHAP=13&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=21) Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is well-pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

If the law of Moses has not changed then the following still applies;

Heb 7:19 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=58&CHAP=7&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=19) For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

What is the better hope, since they are the same?

Can one be better than the other if they are one?


The command to love was directed at those to whom the law was given.

Lev 19:18 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=3&CHAP=19&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=18) Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am the LORD.

God bless you!

Firstfruits

Followtheway
Apr 25th 2009, 08:27 PM
The Isrealites were uslessly following the law, because they didnt follow it to please the Lord, but the religious leaders. Its the same reason David got off the hook for some much, because above the law he was a man after the Lords heart. Thats why Yeshua said the greatest commandment was to love the Lord then to love your neighbor and on these hang all the law. They strived to be righteous or right-standing with the Lord, but they did it for the wrong reason, they uphead the oral law and dogma over the written law for their own pride and not to please the Lord in all things.

Firstfruits
Apr 25th 2009, 09:52 PM
The Israelites were uselessly following the law, because they didn't follow it to please the Lord, but the religious leaders. Its the same reason David got off the hook for some much, because above the law he was a man after the Lords heart. That's why Yeshua said the greatest commandment was to love the Lord then to love your neighbor and on these hang all the law. They strived to be righteous or right-standing with the Lord, but they did it for the wrong reason, they upheld the oral law and dogma over the written law for their own pride and not to please the Lord in all things.

The difference with the law of Moses when it comes to loving thy neighbor is that all that God had commanded also had to be obeyed, but it did not fulfil the law of Moses.

Loving thy neighbor according to the law of Christ does fulfil the law of Christ.

God bless you!

Firstfruits

brakelite
Apr 25th 2009, 10:45 PM
Hebrews tells us that the new covenant was based on better promises. So what promises were wrong in the old covenant? Certainly they could not have been God's promises, so the faulty promises must have been those of the people.
Ex 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

The old covenant was faulty (hebrews 8:7) because of the above promise.(v6). God found fault with them, because they could not keep their promise. The new covenant is certainly different, because it is founded on better promises. Promises this time not of the people who were unable to keep them, but promises of God Who is Himself faultless and well able to accomplish them.
Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Israel promised to keep the law. "all that the Lord hath said we will do."
They could not do this however, because they refused to enter into a personal relationship with God. They asked Moses to be their mediator, they did not want to hear God speak to them directly. (Exodus 20:18-21)
They were attempting to obey in their own strength, and had no personal connection with the power that would have given them the enabling. But God calls us to enter into a relationship with Him that He may now fulfill His promises to us.
Through knowing Him; through our direct connection with the source of all power, we may now walk in His love, fulfilling all the requirements of the law, for love is the fulfilling of the law.
Let none say that the new covenant does away with the law. It was not the law that was at fault. It is us. It is not the law that needed to be changed or removed. It is us. It is by God's love dwelling in our hearts that we are able to keep all God's commandments.
Jesus, when asked what is the greatest commandment, quoted Deut 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

And the second, Jesus said, was like unto it, and quoted Levit 19:18 thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Upon these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Mathew 22:34-40

In the sermon on the mount, Jesus magnified this very same concept, that is by loving one another, we are fulfilling the law. This is known by all of us as the golden rule.
Mt 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

"Loving your neighbour as yourself" and "doing unto others as ye would have them do unto you" are saying the same thing. And Jesus said that this is the law. He did not say that love cancels out the law, nor abrogates it, does away with it, annuls or blots it out. No. Jesus said that love is the law! It is by love that the law is obeyed, honoured, kept, and fuilfilled. Not the end of the law, but the goal of it.

1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Eph 3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

Roamns 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

That final passage in case you didn't notice, informs us very succinctly what law love fulfils.

The "law of Christ" is mentioned in only one place. It is mentioned in context with loving your neighbour. So the law of Christ of loving your neighbour is precisely the same law that Christ gave Moses on Sinai. They are interchangeable and synonymous.

bagofseed
Apr 26th 2009, 12:20 AM
The law of Moses made no change.

The law of Christ changed everything.

Followtheway
Apr 26th 2009, 04:31 AM
the Lord cannot be changed. He is always the same

Firstfruits
Apr 26th 2009, 10:52 AM
the Lord cannot be changed. He is always the same

We know that God does not change but scripture does say that God has made the first old.

Heb 8:13 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=58&CHAP=8&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=13) In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Please do you have scripture to confirm what you say because according to the following there is a difference between the righteousness of the law of Moses and the righteousness of God.

If they are the same, how can the law which is of God not have the same righteousness to them that that keep it?

Rom 9:30 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=9&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=30) What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

Rom 9:31 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=9&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=31) But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

Remember that Paul was blameless when it came to the law of Moses. Did he not change in order to follow Christ?

Why did he not keep what he already had?

When answering can you please supply the scriptures affirming what you say, thanks.

God bless you!

Firstfruits

Sojourner
Apr 26th 2009, 11:06 AM
the Lord cannot be changed. He is always the same

We know that God does not change but scripture does say that God has made the first old.

Heb 8:13 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=58&CHAP=8&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=13) In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.Firstfruits, you handle the Sword of the Lord to pin point effectiveness - Bull Eye!. That verse didn't even occur to me.
:)

Firstfruits
Apr 26th 2009, 11:13 AM
Firstfruits, you handle the Sword of the Lord to pin point effectiveness - Bull Eye!. That verse didn't even occur to me.
:)

Thanks Sojourner,

God bless you!

Firstfruits

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