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THOM
Apr 26th 2009, 01:57 AM
What did JESUS CHRIST teach about "Religion"? What did HE teach about "Denominations"? About "Christianity"? "Hebrew"? "Greek"? "Political Correctness"? "Philosophy"? "Biblical Scholars"? "Theologians"? "It doesn't matter..."? "Feelings"? What was it, SPECIFICALLY, that JESUS CHRIST taught about any of these things? Can someone show me any Scriptures regarding such?

Before you answer, consider an example of JESUS' WORDS, "I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH, and THE LIFE; no one comes to THE FATHER, but [except] by [through] ME (John 14:6)."

How Simply Profound is that? How All-encompassing is just that one statement? Did JESUS leave something out? If so, what?

JESUS CHRIST made/makes the most Profound things in our everyday existences, PROFOUNDLY SIMPLE, wouldn't you agree? Why? Could it have been because JESUS understood, "There is a way that seems right to a man, but the end thereof is death (Proverbs 14:12;16:25)."?

Did HE understand the difference between "THE WAY", as opposed to, "a way that"?

Did HE understand the difference between "THE TRUTH", as opposed to what "seems right to a man"?

Did HE understand the difference between "THE LIFE", as opposed to, "the end thereof is death"?

The purely profound simplicity of GOD'S WAY (methodology) of Revealing HIMSELF, HIS WORD [JESUS CHRIST], HIS POWER, and HIS PLAN, is clearly shown in JESUS', FIRST recorded Public Prayer, "I thank YOU FATHER, LORD of Heaven and Earth, because you have hidden these [Spiritual] Things from the [worldly] wise and prudent (Intelligent), and have revealed them to Babies (Matthew 11:25ff)."

So then, with that in mind, What did JESUS CHRIST teach about "Religion"? What did HE teach about "Denominations"? About "Christianity"? "Hebrew"? "Greek"? "Political Correctness"? "Philosophy"? "Biblical Scholars"? "Theologians"? "It doesn't matter..."? "Feelings"? What was it, SPECIFICALLY, that JESUS CHRIST taught about any of these things? Can someone show me any Scriptures regarding such?

billy-brown 2
Apr 26th 2009, 03:12 AM
What did JESUS CHRIST teach about "Religion"? What did HE teach about "Denominations"? About "Christianity"? "Hebrew"? "Greek"? "Political Correctness"? "Philosophy"? "Biblical Scholars"? "Theologians"? "It doesn't matter..."? "Feelings"? What was it, SPECIFICALLY, that JESUS CHRIST taught about any of these things? Can someone show me any Scriptures regarding such?

Before you answer, consider an example of JESUS' WORDS, "I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH, and THE LIFE; no one comes to THE FATHER, but [except] by [through] ME (John 14:6)."

How Simply Profound is that? How All-encompassing is just that one statement? Did JESUS leave something out? If so, what?

JESUS CHRIST made/makes the most Profound things in our everyday existences, PROFOUNDLY SIMPLE, wouldn't you agree? Why? Could it have been because JESUS understood, "There is a way that seems right to a man, but the end thereof is death (Proverbs 14:12;16:25)."?

Did HE understand the difference between "THE WAY", as opposed to, "a way that"?

Did HE understand the difference between "THE TRUTH", as opposed to what "seems right to a man"?

Did HE understand the difference between "THE LIFE", as opposed to, "the end thereof is death"?

The purely profound simplicity of GOD'S WAY (methodology) of Revealing HIMSELF, HIS WORD [JESUS CHRIST], HIS POWER, and HIS PLAN, is clearly shown in JESUS', FIRST recorded Public Prayer, "I thank YOU FATHER, LORD of Heaven and Earth, because you have hidden these [Spiritual] Things from the [worldly] wise and prudent (Intelligent), and have revealed them to Babies (Matthew 11:25ff)."

So then, with that in mind, What did JESUS CHRIST teach about "Religion"? What did HE teach about "Denominations"? About "Christianity"? "Hebrew"? "Greek"? "Political Correctness"? "Philosophy"? "Biblical Scholars"? "Theologians"? "It doesn't matter..."? "Feelings"? What was it, SPECIFICALLY, that JESUS CHRIST taught about any of these things? Can someone show me any Scriptures regarding such?

There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding in the dialectic of the OP:

Let us understand this: Jesus Christ has never stopped teaching at all since His first advent.

Of course, He is not here personally--but He is here through His people who represent Him.

Let us understand also that Jesus did not teach personally everything to His disciples that they would need, but left some things for the Holy Spirit to do through His disciples.

And yet, Jesus considers that His disciples (through the Holy Spirit) represent "Him" in the earth; this is, no doubt, due to Jesus' identifying Himself as ONE with His people through the Gospel.

So, as His ambassadors proclaim the Gospel--Jesus is preaching still (since the disciples have been "crucified with Christ" and so on--in Jesus' mind, this is how He sees it).

This is part of what it means to say "In Jesus name . . ." and so on.

Some scriptures apropos some of these things:

John 16:5-15
5 (http://bible.cc/john/16-5.htm) “But now I am going to Him who sent Me; and none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’
6 (http://bible.cc/john/16-6.htm) “But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart.
7 (http://bible.cc/john/16-7.htm) “But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.
8 (http://bible.cc/john/16-8.htm) “And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;
9 (http://bible.cc/john/16-9.htm) concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me;
10 (http://bible.cc/john/16-10.htm) and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me;
11 (http://bible.cc/john/16-11.htm) and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.
12 (http://bible.cc/john/16-12.htm) “I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
13 (http://bible.cc/john/16-13.htm) “But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.
14 (http://bible.cc/john/16-14.htm) “He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.
15 (http://bible.cc/john/16-15.htm) “All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.

John 20:19-23
19 (http://bible.cc/john/20-19.htm) So when it was evening on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst and said to them, “Peace be with you.”
20 (http://bible.cc/john/20-20.htm) And when He had said this, He showed them both His hands and His side. The disciples then rejoiced when they saw the Lord.
21 (http://bible.cc/john/20-21.htm) So Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you; as the Father has sent Me, I also send you.”
22 (http://bible.cc/john/20-22.htm) And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
23 (http://bible.cc/john/20-23.htm) “If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained.”

Acts 9:1-5
1 (http://bible.cc/acts/9-1.htm) Now Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest,
2 (http://bible.cc/acts/9-2.htm) and asked for letters from him to the synagogues at Damascus, so that if he found any belonging to the Way, both men and women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem.
3 (http://bible.cc/acts/9-3.htm) As he was traveling, it happened that he was approaching Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him;
4 (http://bible.cc/acts/9-4.htm) and he fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?”
5 (http://bible.cc/acts/9-5.htm) And he said, “Who are You, Lord?” And He said, “I am Jesus whom you are persecuting,
6 (http://bible.cc/acts/9-6.htm) but get up and enter the city, and it will be told you what you must do.”

1 John 4:15-17
15 (http://bible.cc/1_john/4-15.htm) Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
16 (http://bible.cc/1_john/4-16.htm) We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.
17 (http://bible.cc/1_john/4-17.htm) By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, so also are we in this world.

THOM
Apr 26th 2009, 10:23 PM
What did JESUS CHRIST teach about "Religion"? What did HE teach about "Denominations"? About "Christianity"? "Hebrew"? "Greek"? "Political Correctness"? "Philosophy"? "Biblical Scholars"? "Theologians"? "It doesn't matter..."? "Feelings"? What was it, SPECIFICALLY, that JESUS CHRIST taught about any of these things? Can someone show me any Scriptures regarding such?

Before you answer, consider an example of JESUS' WORDS, "I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH, and THE LIFE; no one comes to THE FATHER, but [except] by [through] ME (John 14:6)."

How Simply Profound is that? How All-encompassing is just that one statement? Did JESUS leave something out? If so, what?

JESUS CHRIST made/makes the most Profound things in our everyday existences, PROFOUNDLY SIMPLE, wouldn't you agree? Why? Could it have been because JESUS understood, "There is a way that seems right to a man, but the end thereof is death (Proverbs 14:12;16:25)."?

Did HE understand the difference between "THE WAY", as opposed to, "a way that"?

Did HE understand the difference between "THE TRUTH", as opposed to what "seems right to a man"?

Did HE understand the difference between "THE LIFE", as opposed to, "the end thereof is death"?

The purely profound simplicity of GOD'S WAY (methodology) of Revealing HIMSELF, HIS WORD [JESUS CHRIST], HIS POWER, and HIS PLAN, is clearly shown in JESUS', FIRST recorded Public Prayer, "I thank YOU FATHER, LORD of Heaven and Earth, because you have hidden these [Spiritual] Things from the [worldly] wise and prudent (Intelligent), and have revealed them to Babies (Matthew 11:25ff)."

So then, with that in mind, What did JESUS CHRIST teach about "Religion"? What did HE teach about "Denominations"? About "Christianity"? "Hebrew"? "Greek"? "Political Correctness"? "Philosophy"? "Biblical Scholars"? "Theologians"? "It doesn't matter..."? "Feelings"? What was it, SPECIFICALLY, that JESUS CHRIST taught about any of these things? Can someone show me any Scriptures regarding such?


There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding in the dialectic of the OP:

Let us understand this: Jesus Christ has never stopped teaching at all since His first advent.

Of course, He is not here personally--but He is here through His people who represent Him.

Let us understand also that Jesus did not teach personally everything to His disciples that they would need, but left some things for the Holy Spirit to do through His disciples.


You thinking that being so, and you believing there "to be a fundamental misunderstanding in the dialectic of the OP", what did "the Holy Spirit" teach and/or "do through His disciples", about the list of subjects that "the OP" inquired about ("Denominations"? About "Christianity"? "Hebrew"? "Greek"? "Political Correctness"? "Philosophy"? "Biblical Scholars"? "Theologians"? "It doesn't matter..."? "Feelings"?)?

billy-brown 2
Apr 26th 2009, 11:17 PM
You thinking that being so, and you believing there "to be a fundamental misunderstanding in the dialectic of the OP", what did "the Holy Spirit" teach and/or "do through His disciples", about the list of subjects that "the OP" inquired about ("Denominations"? About "Christianity"? "Hebrew"? "Greek"? "Political Correctness"? "Philosophy"? "Biblical Scholars"? "Theologians"? "It doesn't matter..."? "Feelings"?)?

Let's see . . .

We know that the Bible is a Hebrew/Greek/Aramaic document.

I am an English speaker--and so are you, yes?

Now, none of us have complete access to the riches of the language of the original Hebrew/Greek/Aramaic document that we call the Holy Scripture.

And so, we are (in a sense) at the mercy of the voluminous numbers of translators--you know, the

("Denominations"? About "Christianity"? "Hebrew"? "Greek"? "Political Correctness"? "Philosophy"? "Biblical Scholars"? "Theologians"? "It doesn't matter..."? "Feelings"?)?

individuals and so on that you mention.

Additionally, no one translation of the original Hebrew/Greek/Aramaic Bible document can reveal what was known to individuals of the Hebrew/Greek/Aramaic persuasion.

Now, Jesus was an native Aramaic speaker, and did not write anything personally that we have as scripture.

And the 66 books of the Holy Bible has been translated for us from the Hebrew/Greek/Aramaic by a variety of teams of people for our learning. Usually, there are teams of scholars involved in a translation to try (try!) to avoid biases.

Most of these individuals are guided by the Holy Spirit in their work; others may not be guided as much.

Nevertheless, we have our various translations of Holy Scripture--and we both know that teachers "offend all" often (as James wrote in the 3rd chapter of his general epistle).

Now, we have no words of our own as ambassadors of Christ--only the words of Scripture to live our lives by.

And, if we are not of Hebrew/Greek/Aramaic background, Jesus cannot step in personally and help per se.

Of course, He could do it. But is this His pattern?

Indeed, someone had to get going with translating the Bible into English and so on--and this must have met with the approval of our Savior Jesus.

(Jesus accomplished no translation work of scripture. Other men did this, indeed.)

Let's look at Acts 8 and the dialectic with Phillip and the Ethiopian eunuch:

Acts 8:25-40

25 (http://bible.cc/acts/8-25.htm) So, when they had solemnly testified and spoken the word of the Lord, they started back to Jerusalem, and were preaching the gospel to many villages of the Samaritans.
26 (http://bible.cc/acts/8-26.htm) But an angel of the Lord spoke to Philip saying, “Get up and go south to the road that descends from Jerusalem to Gaza.” (This is a desert road.)
27 (http://bible.cc/acts/8-27.htm) So he got up and went; and there was an Ethiopian eunuch, a court official of Candace, queen of the Ethiopians, who was in charge of all her treasure; and he had come to Jerusalem to worship,
28 (http://bible.cc/acts/8-28.htm) and he was returning and sitting in his chariot, and was reading the prophet Isaiah.
29 (http://bible.cc/acts/8-29.htm) Then the Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this chariot.”
30 (http://bible.cc/acts/8-30.htm) Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and said, “Do you understand what you are reading?”
31 (http://bible.cc/acts/8-31.htm) And he said, “Well, how could I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.
32 (http://bible.cc/acts/8-32.htm) Now the passage of Scripture which he was reading was this:
“HE WAS LED AS A SHEEP TO SLAUGHTER;
AND AS A LAMB BEFORE ITS SHEARER IS SILENT,
SO HE DOES NOT OPEN HIS MOUTH.
33 (http://bible.cc/acts/8-33.htm) “IN HUMILIATION HIS JUDGMENT WAS TAKEN AWAY;
WHO WILL RELATE HIS GENERATION?
FOR HIS LIFE IS REMOVED FROM THE EARTH.”
34 (http://bible.cc/acts/8-34.htm) The eunuch answered Philip and said, “Please tell me, of whom does the prophet say this? Of himself or of someone else?”
35 (http://bible.cc/acts/8-35.htm) Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning from this Scripture he preached Jesus to him.
36 (http://bible.cc/acts/8-36.htm) As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch said, “Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?”
37 (http://bible.cc/acts/8-37.htm) [And Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”]
38 (http://bible.cc/acts/8-38.htm) And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him.
39 (http://bible.cc/acts/8-39.htm) When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away; and the eunuch no longer saw him, but went on his way rejoicing.
40 (http://bible.cc/acts/8-40.htm) But Philip found himself at Azotus, and as he passed through he kept preaching the gospel to all the cities until he came to Caesarea.

Now, this passage was in the Greek language originally. Right?

But what language did the Ethiopian know?

Was he reading from the Hebrew portion of the Tanakh?

Was he reading from the Septuagint version?

Why did the Holy Spirit say to Philip

29 (http://bible.cc/acts/8-29.htm) . . . “Go up and join this chariot.”

and so on?

Could not the Holy Spirit have accomplished this ministry without Phillip--or the writers of Scripture?

Now, these are random questions, of course.

Nevertheless, I hope that we can see that the answers to these questions imply that Jesus' ministry in the earth requires the following

("Denominations"? About "Christianity"? "Hebrew"? "Greek"? "Political Correctness"? "Philosophy"? "Biblical Scholars"? "Theologians"? "It doesn't matter..."? "Feelings"?)?

on some level--if for no other reason than to have the appropriate scriptures available for dialectical discourse (even if you are out "on a desert road").

:hug:

crossnote
Apr 27th 2009, 05:52 AM
Does JESUS CHRIST + nothing = Everything?

Let's put this to the mathmatical test:o.

switch nothing and everything over the = sign and you have-

JESUS CHRIST -(minus) Everything = -(minus) nothing.

Or in plain language since a double negative equals a positive

JESUS CHRIST = Everything :B

Since He does not = everything e.g. satan I would answer in the negative.

billy-brown 2
Apr 29th 2009, 03:47 PM
Does JESUS CHRIST + nothing = Everything?

Let's put this to the mathematical test:o.

switch nothing and everything over the = sign and you have-

JESUS CHRIST -(minus) Everything = -(minus) nothing.

Or in plain language since a double negative equals a positive

JESUS CHRIST = Everything :B

Since He does not = everything e.g. satan I would answer in the negative.

:lol:

Let's look at this passage:

Rev. 1:1-3

1 (http://bible.cc/revelation/1-1.htm) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John,
2 (http://bible.cc/revelation/1-2.htm) who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw.
3 (http://bible.cc/revelation/1-3.htm) Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near.

Some questions:

Why did Jesus use His angel to communicate His "Revelation" of Himself?

Why did Jesus use John to testify to the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ?

Why must this "Revelation" of Jesus Christ be read?

Why did Jesus choose to not come to earth to tell us personally and orally about the words of the Revelation prophecy?

THOM
Apr 30th 2009, 04:52 AM
Does JESUS CHRIST + nothing = Everything?

Let's put this to the mathmatical test:o.

switch nothing and everything over the = sign and you have-

JESUS CHRIST -(minus) Everything = -(minus) nothing.

Or in plain language since a double negative equals a positive

JESUS CHRIST = Everything :B

Since He does not = everything e.g. satan I would answer in the negative.


:lol:

Let's look at this passage:

Rev. 1:1-3

1 (http://bible.cc/revelation/1-1.htm) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John,
2 (http://bible.cc/revelation/1-2.htm) who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw.
3 (http://bible.cc/revelation/1-3.htm) Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near.

Some questions:

Why did Jesus use His angel to communicate His "Revelation" of Himself?

Why did Jesus use John to testify to the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ?

Why must this "Revelation" of Jesus Christ be read?

Why did Jesus choose to not come to earth to tell us personally and orally about the words of the Revelation prophecy?


Wow!!! I'm glad the question didn't require an essay answer.

Dani H
Apr 30th 2009, 05:04 AM
First of all, I agree with the title of this thread.

Because God has summed up all things in Christ. He is indeed everything, and without Him we can do nothing. He either meant that when He said it or didn't. And the Holy Spirit, is the Spirit of Christ, after all. You have one, you have the other. God isn't split in bits and pieces, there is only one God. The Spirit of Christ isn't a "lesser Jesus," and the Holy Spirit being here is just like Jesus being here. When Jesus said that He would be with us always and never leave us, He wasn't speaking metaphorically.

Second of all, y'all's posts are making my head hurt ... yeowch. :D

Third of all, here is an article that explains Jesus being all in all, really well (lots better than I ever could):

http://www.theschoolofchrist.org/articles/allthings.html

billy-brown 2
May 1st 2009, 01:28 AM
LOL

You know, someone said that "Jesus is All"--and this this really true, indeed.

But Jesus uses others in His ministry to the earth a lot--and yet, it is still "Him" in action.

(This is what I am seeking to express, really.)

And still, Jesus does some things Himself--with no "go-betweens" at all:

Acts 23:6-11
6 But perceiving that one group were Sadducees and the other Pharisees, Paul began crying out in the Council, “Brethren, I am a Pharisee, a son of Pharisees; I am on trial for the hope and resurrection of the dead!”
7 As he said this, there occurred a dissension between the Pharisees and Sadducees, and the assembly was divided.
8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, nor an angel, nor a spirit, but the Pharisees acknowledge them all.
9 And there occurred a great uproar; and some of the scribes of the Pharisaic party stood up and began to argue heatedly, saying, “We find nothing wrong with this man; suppose a spirit or an angel has spoken to him?”
10 And as a great dissension was developing, the commander was afraid Paul would be torn to pieces by them and ordered the troops to go down and take him away from them by force, and bring him into the barracks.
11 But on the night immediately following, the Lord stood at his side and said, “Take courage; for as you have solemnly witnessed to My cause at Jerusalem, so you must witness at Rome also.”

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