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-SEEKING-
Apr 26th 2009, 04:32 PM
AHHHHHHHHH! Help I can't get these words out of my head now. :pray:

That is all. :lol:

Sojourner
Apr 26th 2009, 09:02 PM
AHHHHHHHHH! Help I can't get these words out of my head now. :pray:

That is all. :lol:Kinda make you green around the gills doesn't it. I know what you mean. :crazy: Kinda like the ice cream truck that drives around, I mean now I'm stuck with Pop Goes the Weasel in my head. :lol:

Firstfruits
Apr 26th 2009, 10:22 PM
AHHHHHHHHH! Help I can't get these words out of my head now. :pray:

That is all. :lol:

We know that the law was a tutor until Christ came, and when christ was here he promised the Holy Spirit to teach us all things. So what I would ask is, is there anything that the Holy Spirit cannot teach according to what Christ has promised?

Jn 14:26 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=43&CHAP=14&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=26) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

God bless you!

Firstfruits

-SEEKING-
Apr 26th 2009, 10:26 PM
We know that the law was a tutor until Christ came, and when christ was here he promised the Holy Spirit to teach us all things. So what I would ask is, is there anything that the Holy Spirit cannot teach according to what Christ has promised?

Nope. Thankfully he teaches us everything we need to know. :pp

Firstfruits
Apr 27th 2009, 06:59 AM
Nope. Thankfully he teaches us everything we need to know. :pp

Why then should we be concerned with the shadows when we have the light? :hmm:

God bless you!

Firstfruits

bagofseed
Apr 27th 2009, 07:14 AM
The shadows in the OT are the physical things God gave physical Israel to represent the spiritual things we now have in Christ.

They are still useful for teaching us about what we now have, but pale in light of the greater glory which is Christ in us.

-SEEKING-
Apr 27th 2009, 10:32 AM
Why then should we be concerned with the shadows when we have the light? :hmm:

God bless you!

Firstfruits

Exactly. That's why I'm wondering why it's so shadowy in here.

Firstfruits
Apr 27th 2009, 11:50 AM
The shadows in the OT are the physical things God gave physical Israel to represent the spiritual things we now have in Christ.

They are still useful for teaching us about what we now have, but pale in light of the greater glory which is Christ in us.

But as Jesus has said the comforter will teach all things, whereas the shadows can only teach as you say the physical things, but we are spiritual not flesh.

Jn 14:26 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=43&CHAP=14&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=26) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Rom 8:9 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=45&CHAP=8&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Gal 3:3 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=3&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=3) Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

God bless you!

Firstfruits

BHS
Apr 27th 2009, 05:24 PM
We know that the law was a tutor until Christ came, and when christ was here he promised the Holy Spirit to teach us all things. So what I would ask is, is there anything that the Holy Spirit cannot teach according to what Christ has promised?

Jn 14:26 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=43&CHAP=14&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=26) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

God bless you!

Firstfruits

Do you not know the the Holy Spirit wrote the Scriptures and it is these that He is pointing to? Surely, He can drop insights from heaven, but if they do not line up with Scripture - then what spirit is one listening to? And how will we know it does not line up with Scripture, if we do not study it?

Blessings,
BHS

manichunter
Apr 27th 2009, 06:10 PM
Do you not know the the Holy Spirit wrote the Scriptures and it is these that He is pointing to? Surely, He can drop insights from heaven, but if they do not line up with Scripture - then what spirit is one listening to? And how will we know it does not line up with Scripture, if we do not study it?

Blessings,
BHS

They are a part of a witnessing system, giving us the means to verify who the messenger is and what is expected.

Firstfruits
Apr 27th 2009, 07:20 PM
Do you not know the the Holy Spirit wrote the Scriptures and it is these that He is pointing to? Surely, He can drop insights from heaven, but if they do not line up with Scripture - then what spirit is one listening to? And how will we know it does not line up with Scripture, if we do not study it?

Blessings,
BHS

Since the Holy Spirit wrote the Scriptures and we follow the Holy Spirit why can we not follow the law at the same time?

Gal 5:18 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=18) But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

What is wrong with following the law and the Holy Spirit, that by following the Holy Spirit we cannot be following the law?

What did Jesus mean when he spoke of not serving two masters?

God bless you!

Firstfruits

BHS
Apr 27th 2009, 11:26 PM
Since the Holy Spirit wrote the Scriptures and we follow the Holy Spirit why can we not follow the law at the same time?

Gal 5:18 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=18) But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

What is wrong with following the law and the Holy Spirit, that by following the Holy Spirit we cannot be following the law?

What did Jesus mean when he spoke of not serving two masters?

God bless you!

Firstfruits

Jesus did! The second master is that of mammon (filthy lucre). Or are you speaking of satan? The Master gave us His instructions, but the "law" is not a master.

Blessings,
BHS

Emanate
Apr 28th 2009, 06:33 PM
Since the Holy Spirit wrote the Scriptures and we follow the Holy Spirit why can we not follow the law at the same time?

Gal 5:18 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=48&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=18) But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

What is wrong with following the law and the Holy Spirit, that by following the Holy Spirit we cannot be following the law?

What did Jesus mean when he spoke of not serving two masters?

God bless you!

Firstfruits


The carnal mind cannot be suject to the law of god. shall we live carnally?

Firstfruits
Apr 28th 2009, 06:50 PM
Jesus did! The second master is that of mammon (filthy lucre). Or are you speaking of satan? The Master gave us His instructions, but the "law" is not a master.

Blessings,
BHS

Before Jesus died on the Cross the law was still in effect, however whan He died he died to the law.

Who do we follow as our teacher Moses or the Holy Spirit?

Jn 5:45 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=43&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=45) Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
Jn 5:46 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=43&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=46) For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.

Jn 6:32 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=43&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=32) Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

Jn 7:19 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=43&CHAP=7&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=19) Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

God bless you!

Firstfruits

Emanate
Apr 28th 2009, 06:56 PM
Before Jesus died on the Cross the law was still in effect, however whan He died he died to the law.

Who do we follow as our teacher Moses or the Holy Spirit?

Jn 5:45 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=43&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=45) Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
Jn 5:46 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=43&CHAP=5&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=46) For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.

Jn 7:19 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=43&CHAP=7&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=19) Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

God bless you!

Firstfruits


Are you seriously using two verses that show that if a person truly followed the law they would have known Y'shua as a proof text to the invalidity of the law?


Jn 6:32 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=43&CHAP=6&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=32) Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

Uh, not sure you are following your point with this scripture. Moses did not give bread from heaven, moses did not part the red sea, moses did not send the plagues, moses did not give leprosy to himself. Your point?

keck553
Apr 28th 2009, 07:00 PM
You seem to be going around in circles FF. Funny thing when one goes around in circles - when they run out of gas, the destination won't be any closer.

Firstfruits
Apr 28th 2009, 07:07 PM
Are you seriously using two verses that show that if a person truly followed the law they would have known Y'shua as a proof text to the invalidity of the law?



Uh, not sure you are following your point with this scripture. Moses did not give bread from heaven, moses did not part the red sea, moses did not send the plagues, moses did not give leprosy to himself. Your point?

As you know, even if you could keep the whole law you are still guilty of sin, as if you had never tried to keep it in the first place.

Firstfruits

Firstfruits
Apr 28th 2009, 07:09 PM
You seem to be going around in circles FF. Funny thing when one goes around in circles - when they run out of gas, the destination won't be any closer.

As we have been taught, there is only one gospel. So would you like me to say other than what the gospel of Christ has taught?

Firstfruits

keck553
Apr 28th 2009, 07:11 PM
As you know, even if you could keep the whole law you are still guilty of sin, as if you had never tried to keep it in the first place.

Firstfruits

So we're not allowed to love God?

Exo 20:6
(6) but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Joh 14:15 "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

Firstfruits
Apr 28th 2009, 07:17 PM
So we're not allowed to love God?

Exo 20:6
(6) but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Joh 14:15 "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.


Christ has commanded us to love God and also to love one another. by doing this it shows that we belong to Christ.

God bless you!

Firstfruits

Emanate
Apr 28th 2009, 07:20 PM
Christ has commanded us to love God and also to love one another. by doing this it shows that we belong to Christ.


I know you do not realize this, but you just said that by keeping Torah commands we show that we belong to Messiah. How very strange.

keck553
Apr 28th 2009, 07:22 PM
Christ has commanded us to love God and also to love one another. by doing this it shows that we belong to Christ.

God bless you!

Firstfruits

Do you realize you used Torah commands to show our identity with Messiah?
Who's standards do I use to love my brother FF? How do I love God? My way, or His way?

Firstfruits
Apr 28th 2009, 07:33 PM
Do you realize you used Torah commands to show our identity with Messiah?
Who's standards do I use to love my brother FF? How do I love God? My way, or His way?

Would it be wrong to say that when Christ came God was no longer love? Is this not the same for all whether Jew or Gentile?

Has love changed?

Firstfruits

keck553
Apr 28th 2009, 08:20 PM
Would it be wrong to say that when Christ came God was no longer love? Is this not the same for all whether Jew or Gentile?

Has love changed?

Firstfruits

No. As demonstrated by this:

Exo 20:6
(6) but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Joh 14:15 "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

See? No change.

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