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Master Jake
May 6th 2009, 08:10 AM
1: Is it OK to dislike (equiv of hate tbh) someone if you have a cause?

Biblical Reference: Whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment - Matthew 5:22

2: Is it even possible for an unmarried male to break this verse:

Biblical Reference: Anyone who stares at a woman for lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart - Matthew 5:28

Adultery is the voluntary sexual intercourse between a married individual and another person who is not his or her spouse, though in many places it is only considered adultery when a married woman has sexual relations with someone who is not her husband and in others it is only considered adultery when a married woman has sexual relations with someone without the permission of her husband.

If the man is not married, the man cannot commit adultery (including that within his heart). Probably the highest of these being pornography.

Jeffinator
May 6th 2009, 08:27 AM
1: Is it OK to dislike (equiv of hate tbh) someone if you have a cause?

Biblical Reference: Whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment - Matthew 5:22

2: Is it even possible for an unmarried male to break this verse:

Biblical Reference: Anyone who stares at a woman for lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart - Matthew 5:28

Adultery is the voluntary sexual intercourse between a married individual and another person who is not his or her spouse, though in many places it is only considered adultery when a married woman has sexual relations with someone who is not her husband and in others it is only considered adultery when a married woman has sexual relations with someone without the permission of her husband.

If the man is not married, the man cannot commit adultery (including that within his heart). Probably the highest of these being pornography.

As far as your lusting question goes you have to understand what lust is. Lust is a strong sexual attraction without love. You can even lust your own spouse which is bad, because that means your looking at them without love and just pure sexual attraction; like a "piece of meat" so to speak.

The verse you mentioned is specifically aimed towards people are who married, but you will actually find in many religions that lust in general, married or not, is usually frowned upon and considered a sin. I understand what you mean as far as being single, but take it from me that if you let your lusts take control of you now, they will have a hold of you when your married as well. Best time to control your lusts and temptations is before you enter into a serious relationship. I have experience with that one and there's no off switch that clicks when you enter a relationship; you have to learn to keep your mind on the right track even when your single. It gets easier and it pays off because you dont want to carry that baggage around. Hope that helps with one of your questions.

Firstfruits
May 6th 2009, 10:11 AM
As far as your lusting question goes you have to understand what lust is. Lust is a strong sexual attraction without love. You can even lust your own spouse which is bad, because that means your looking at them without love and just pure sexual attraction; like a "piece of meat" so to speak.

The verse you mentioned is specifically aimed towards people are who married, but you will actually find in many religions that lust in general, married or not, is usually frowned upon and considered a sin. I understand what you mean as far as being single, but take it from me that if you let your lusts take control of you now, they will have a hold of you when your married as well. Best time to control your lusts and temptations is before you enter into a serious relationship. I have experience with that one and there's no off switch that clicks when you enter a relationship; you have to learn to keep your mind on the right track even when your single. It gets easier and it pays off because you dont want to carry that baggage around. Hope that helps with one of your questions.

With regards to the following scriptures is the temptation the sin?

Mt 4:1 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=40&CHAP=4&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=1) Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Acts 20:19 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=44&CHAP=20&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=19) Serving the LORD with all humility of mind, and with many tears, and temptations, which befell me by the lying in wait of the Jews:

Heb 2:18 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=58&CHAP=2&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=18) For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

Jas 1:2 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=59&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=2) My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;

Jas 1:12 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=59&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=12) Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

Jas 1:13 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=59&CHAP=1&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=13) Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

I hope you understand what I am asking.

God bless you!

Firstfruits

Walstib
May 6th 2009, 11:23 AM
As far as your lusting question goes you have to understand what lust is. Lust is a strong sexual attraction without love. You can even lust your own spouse which is bad, because that means your looking at them without love and just pure sexual attraction; like a "piece of meat" so to speak.

Hmmm. I always figured lust involved fantasy.


Edit: My point being I think you can have a strong sexual attraction to a woman without lusting after her. Try arguing with pheromones.

What you do in you thought life with what you know is the issue. Just accept the facts or create a scenario of something happening.


For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh, for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses. We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ, and we are ready to punish all disobedience, whenever your obedience is complete. (2Co 10:3-6 NASB)

Athanasius
May 6th 2009, 11:27 AM
2: Is it even possible for an unmarried male to break this verse:

Biblical Reference: Anyone who stares at a woman for lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart - Matthew 5:28

Adultery is the voluntary sexual intercourse between a married individual and another person who is not his or her spouse, though in many places it is only considered adultery when a married woman has sexual relations with someone who is not her husband and in others it is only considered adultery when a married woman has sexual relations with someone without the permission of her husband.

If the man is not married, the man cannot commit adultery (including that within his heart). Probably the highest of these being pornography.

It's really a moot question; to lust after someone is still sin so it's neither here nor there as to whether or not the 'man' is married.

Jeffinator
May 6th 2009, 06:47 PM
Hmmm. I always figured lust involved fantasy.


Edit: My point being I think you can have a strong sexual attraction to a woman without lusting after her. Try arguing with pheromones.

What you do in you thought life with what you know is the issue. Just accept the facts or create a scenario of something happening.

Well when you see someone and just by glance you know they are attractive is not lusting. Lusting is dwelling on that persons sexual persona and your right it can involve fantasy. Dont let your mind wonder..

Master Jake
May 6th 2009, 06:54 PM
Lust (or lechery) is an inordinate craving for coitus often to the point of assuming a self-indulgent, and sometimes violent character. Lust, or an immoderate desire for the flesh of another (outside of matrimony), is considered a sin, or impure act, in all of the Abrahamic religions.


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That doesn't really seem like something you can control. Didn't God make us to be attracted to the opposite sex like this. And once your attracted, there's no telling what things pop into your head.

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I know you can lust after someone but I was more focused on the adultery part of the verse. How can you commit adultery (even in your heart) if you aren't married and have no one to adult against?

Jeffinator
May 6th 2009, 07:19 PM
Lust (or lechery) is an inordinate craving for coitus often to the point of assuming a self-indulgent, and sometimes violent character. Lust, or an immoderate desire for the flesh of another (outside of matrimony), is considered a sin, or impure act, in all of the Abrahamic religions.


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That doesn't really seem like something you can control. Didn't God make us to be attracted to the opposite sex like this. And once your attracted, there's no telling what things pop into your head.

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I know you can lust after someone but I was more focused on the adultery part of the verse. How can you commit adultery (even in your heart) if you aren't married and have no one to adult against?

You can control your lust, the more you dwell on it the more it takes over your thought. The reason rapes occur is not because someone wakes up and decides to rape someone that day. It's because they become fixated on that person to the point that nothing will satisfy but the action. If we couldn't control lust then we'd be in big trouble, God never gives us more than we can handle.

That specific verse referring to adultery is for people who are in relationships, but that doesn't mean its A-Okay to lust anyone if your not married. When you lust you don't know it but your degrading the person your lusting. You never think about the other person. Your disrespecting them being as human or having a soul by just looking at them with sexual desire. Adultery is not only a sin but so is fornication, which sex outside of marriage. So if lusting in your heart while married is still adultery, then lusting in your heart while single is still fornication.

embankmentlb
May 6th 2009, 07:46 PM
I argue that when a man sees a women & mentally says "oh she is pretty" has committed adultery by Gods standards. Therefor all married men are guilty.

Master Jake
May 6th 2009, 07:48 PM
I argue that when a man sees a women & mentally says "oh she is pretty" has committed adultery by Gods standards. Therefor all married men are guilty.

What??? You mean it is or is not adultery to look at someone and say that?

Jeffinator
May 6th 2009, 07:54 PM
What??? You mean it is or is not adultery to look at someone and say that?

No, its okay to notice that people dress or look nice. Its when you fixate on them in a sexual way that your crossing the line.

embankmentlb
May 6th 2009, 08:29 PM
What??? You mean it is or is not adultery to look at someone and say that?

If she is pretty, she is attractive, If you are attracted, then you are lusting.

Master Jake
May 6th 2009, 08:51 PM
If she is pretty, she is attractive, If you are attracted, then you are lusting.

Then the only way to not commit this sin is to have your mind erase and then be locked into a dark closet before you wake up so you don't see another person and have no clue who "people" are. You would remain in this closet until you die which wouldn't take very long I'm sure.

My overall point being, it is impossible to not lust in this manner you are speaking without doing something extreme which would in total break another sin. This would be a biblical contradiction which cannot happen. Also, there can't be a sin that's impossible to avoid. Therefore, I disagree with your definition of what's lusting.

HisLeast
May 6th 2009, 09:02 PM
Lust (or lechery) is an inordinate craving for coitus often to the point of assuming a self-indulgent, and sometimes violent character. Lust, or an immoderate desire for the flesh of another (outside of matrimony), is considered a sin, or impure act, in all of the Abrahamic religions.


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That doesn't really seem like something you can control. Didn't God make us to be attracted to the opposite sex like this. And once your attracted, there's no telling what things pop into your head.

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I know you can lust after someone but I was more focused on the adultery part of the verse. How can you commit adultery (even in your heart) if you aren't married and have no one to adult against?

Its not the ideas that knock on your door... its the ideas you invite inside and entertain.

embankmentlb
May 6th 2009, 09:03 PM
Then the only way to not commit this sin is to have your mind erase and then be locked into a dark closet before you wake up so you don't see another person and have no clue who "people" are. You would remain in this closet until you die which wouldn't take very long I'm sure.

My overall point being, it is impossible to not lust in this manner you are speaking without doing something extreme which would in total break another sin. This would be a biblical contradiction which cannot happen. Also, there can't be a sin that's impossible to avoid. Therefore, I disagree with your definition of what's lusting.

That is the point of the matter. There is absolutely no way a man with eyes can avoid this sin. We are all guilty & most stumble & fall at least a dozen times a day.

Master Jake
May 6th 2009, 09:21 PM
That is the point of the matter. There is absolutely no way a man with eyes can avoid this sin. We are all guilty & most stumble & fall at least a dozen times a day.

But Why? What is the point of creating a sin that's unavoidable. That's like creating a game that's unbeatable, what's the point of even playing except to waste countless hours of your life? (not saying games don't waste your life in general, but still :D)

embankmentlb
May 6th 2009, 09:28 PM
But Why? What is the point of creating a sin that's unavoidable. That's like creating a game that's unbeatable, what's the point of even playing except to waste countless hours of your life? (not saying games don't waste your life in general, but still :D)
This was all Gods plan. Take the Ten Commandments. They were not put in place so that we could keep them. They were instituted by God to show us we can't keep them.

Master Jake
May 6th 2009, 09:52 PM
This was all Gods plan. Take the Ten Commandments. They were not put in place so that we could keep them. They were instituted by God to show us we can't keep them.

Well that's not fair :sad: but then again who am I to judge what's fair or not.

embankmentlb
May 6th 2009, 09:56 PM
Well that's not fair :sad: but then again who am I to judge what's fair or not.

It's not a matter of fairness, It understanding God's plan for our salvation.

John146
May 6th 2009, 09:56 PM
1: Is it OK to dislike (equiv of hate tbh) someone if you have a cause?

Biblical Reference: Whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment - Matthew 5:22That verse does not say anything about disliking or hating anyone. It only refers to being angry with someone. It does seem to imply that we can be angry with someone if we have a cause for being angry with them.

Master Jake
May 6th 2009, 09:59 PM
That verse does not say anything about disliking or hating anyone. It only refers to being angry with someone. It does seem to imply that we can be angry with someone if we have a cause for being angry with them.

I knew someone was going to call me out on that. I am angry with you for calling me out :D

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