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ZAB
Jun 1st 2009, 08:32 PM
Song of Solomon 1:15 "Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes."

A dove's eyes are set so that they can only look in one direction at a time. They are not easily distracted. This characteristic is attributed to the bride of Christ. She too is continually and steadfastly tending to Jesus, no matter what distractions and "other lovers" may come her way. She simply cannot look away.

These "eyes" are in sharp contrast to "a high look" (Ps 101:5), an "evil eye" (Matt 20:15), and "eyes full of adultery" (2 Pet 2:14).

I believe this is what Proverbs 31 means when it says, "Who can find a virtous woman? for her price is far above rubies. The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil" (vs. 10-11).

Most people limit this passage to refer to a man's natural wife. While this of course is true, it can speak on a deeper level too. The Proverbs 31 woman is symbolic of the bride of Christ; the wife of the Lamb whose character is exemplary. Another translation renders verse 11 as:

"Her husband depends on her, and she never lets him down." (CEV)

There is no fear of unfaithfulness; she is 100% given over! God's heart has been made vulnerable to her, and trust has been proven. She indeed has doves' eyes!
May the Lord delicately work this attribute into all of our lives.

ConqueredbyLove
Jun 1st 2009, 11:03 PM
Can I use this in the book I am writing?

I mean, really....

Do you have anymore info. on the dove?

tt1106
Jun 2nd 2009, 12:48 AM
Excellent Z_alan.

Let your eye be single," that your "whole body may be full of light! (Lk. 11:34)

Focus on one thing and one thing only.
It should be noted that this is the vehicle the Lord chose to send down at Jesus Baptism. The Bird of Love. I don't want to spiritualize everything or see what is not there, but surely God's focus was single also. He see his son taken down and raised up with the spirit and then the God who speaks....speaks.

Thank you for your insight.

ZAB
Jun 2nd 2009, 04:03 AM
Can I use this in the book I am writing?

I mean, really....

Do you have anymore info. on the dove?

hi, I would be honored for you to use this post in any way you see fit. What kind of info are you looking for?
God bless you.

Firefighter
Jun 2nd 2009, 12:29 PM
Careful. Doves see a remarkable 300 degrees. They can see almost all the way around themselves without moving their head.

ZAB
Jun 2nd 2009, 12:55 PM
I suppose it depends on the species being considered.
Song of Solomon 5:12. The dove's eye is in contrast to an eagle's peircing eye, which is always on its prey. The dove's eyes are "fitly set".

Another interesting characteristic about doves is that they mate for life. In this sense too, they are not easily distracted. They look only to their mate.

ConqueredbyLove
Jun 2nd 2009, 08:19 PM
hi, I would be honored for you to use this post in any way you see fit. What kind of info are you looking for?
God bless you.

Anything :) Is it true a dove does not have a gall bladder as I have heard?

ZAB
Jun 3rd 2009, 01:41 AM
Anything :) Is it true a dove does not have a gall bladder as I have heard?

I'm not sure. A gallbladder stores and secretes bile right?

MarleVVLL
Jun 3rd 2009, 02:37 AM
Hmm. Its been scientifically proven that doves only have peripheral eye sight.

This makes a spin on this verse, no? :)

tt1106
Jun 5th 2009, 10:42 AM
Please be reminded that this is a no-debate forum. The actual anatomical correctness of the scripture is really not up for debate in this thread.
You can certainly start a thread in Bible chat if you wish, debating whether Doves see well.
Please keep your comments restricted to the OP.


Thank you.
Have a blessed day

tt1106

ZAB
Jun 5th 2009, 11:55 AM
Hi everyone, I re-read the information I have on doves and noticed a mistake. When I spoke earlier of how a dove can only see straight forward, I misinterpreted that to mean literally. However, the context of the reference was in relation to the dove and it's mate - they mate for life. In this sense, they have a "single eye", which is what the reference was trying to get across. Nonetheless, from my OP, this characteristic is attributed to the bride of Christ. Her eyes are fitly set on Jesus. Song 4:9 says, "Thou hast ravished my heart, my sister, my spouse; thou hast ravished my heart with one of thine eyes..."
It's not that a dove physically cannot see peripherally, but rather, it chooses to behold it's mate, relationally, neglecting other lovers. That, IMO, is far more noble than not being able to physically see well anyway. Sorry for the confusion.
God bless.

ZAB
Jun 5th 2009, 01:25 PM
hello again,
I searched for something about a dove's natural eyesight and found that a dove cannot focus on more than one thing at a time. It can see perfectly fine, but its focus is limited. Interesting :hmm:.

Ps 27:4 "One thing have desired of the Lord, and that will I seek after..."
Lk 10:42 "One thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part..."

tt1106
Jun 5th 2009, 02:46 PM
LOL......................................When the OP starts debating himself, you know you're in trouble. (in jest)
Blessings Z_alan_bridges.

ConqueredbyLove
Jun 8th 2009, 01:07 AM
I'm not sure. A gallbladder stores and secretes bile right?

Yes...It holds bitter things. The Holy Spirit, which is often represented as a dove, has no bitterness....

That is why I brought that up...

Firefighter
Jun 8th 2009, 01:52 PM
Depends what kind of dove. Many doves, like most birds, have no gall bladder although hydroxychenodeoxycholic acid, taurine and other bile related chemicals are often still found in the birds without a gall bladder.

Vhayes
Jun 8th 2009, 03:26 PM
Depends what kind of dove. Many doves, like most birds, have no gall bladder although hydroxychenodeoxycholic acid, taurine and other bile related chemicals are often still found in the birds without a gall bladder.
You are SUCH a geek. While related chemicals may be found, there is still no actual bile.

Dude, you crack me up...
:hug:
V

Firefighter
Jun 8th 2009, 03:57 PM
I must be doing better, you have not called me a geek in at least a month. It used to be weekly and sometimes daily...;)

ConqueredbyLove
Jun 8th 2009, 11:05 PM
Depends what kind of dove. Many doves, like most birds, have no gall bladder although hydroxychenodeoxycholic acid, taurine and other bile related chemicals are often still found in the birds without a gall bladder.

Cannot hold bitterness? :rolleyes:

I have been writing about doves in a book I am writing. Hence my interest...

I live in northern California. Would the doves that are in my yard be different than the doves in Israel? I have, I guess what you would call the mourning doves...Coo, coo in the morning and evening. And this time of year, I hear alot of flluttering of their wings which almost sounds like a high-pitched song. (I think it is the dove)

I have a feeling it must have something to do with they have baby doves? :pp :) :pp

Firefighter
Jun 8th 2009, 11:52 PM
I think that the noise is created from the vigorous flapping that they do to take off.

Here in the South that sound is synonymous with "PULL!" :lol:

ConqueredbyLove
Jun 9th 2009, 12:32 AM
Here in the South that sound is synonymous with "PULL!" :lol:

:hmm: Huh? I am a Californian thru and thru....I dont' understand Southern talk or ways :o

Firefighter
Jun 9th 2009, 12:48 AM
"PULL!" is a term used when shooting clay pigeons to let the thrower know that you are ready to shoot.

Esperanza32
Jun 10th 2009, 01:18 PM
A bit off topic...

Recently a pair of doves have built a nest in an arbor by my garage. They worked together for days building, and now one (I assume the female) is patiently sitting on eggs 24/7. She stays there all day and night, faithfully waiting. It must be boring to wait for eggs to hatch!

I do not have that kind of patience. I want my life to be fruitful NOW. I wish I had not only a dove's eyes, but her patience as well.

tt1106
Jun 10th 2009, 06:34 PM
A bit off topic...

Recently a pair of doves have built a nest in an arbor by my garage. They worked together for days building, and now one (I assume the female) is patiently sitting on eggs 24/7. She stays there all day and night, faithfully waiting. It must be boring to wait for eggs to hatch!

I do not have that kind of patience. I want my life to be fruitful NOW. I wish I had not only a dove's eyes, but her patience as well.

LOL........everything in this section is a bit off-topic. :hug:

I doubt if it's any more boring than feeling your baby grow. :) The bane of humanity, time. How great it must be in Heaven, outside of time, where everything is just is and we will always be with God, unworried by where we have to go or what we should be doing.

ConqueredbyLove
Jun 11th 2009, 12:39 AM
A bit off topic...

Recently a pair of doves have built a nest in an arbor by my garage. They worked together for days building, and now one (I assume the female) is patiently sitting on eggs 24/7. She stays there all day and night, faithfully waiting. It must be boring to wait for eggs to hatch!

I do not have that kind of patience. I want my life to be fruitful NOW. I wish I had not only a dove's eyes, but her patience as well.

OHHHH how very sweet ! I wish I could see that :hug: :hug: :hug:

ConqueredbyLove
Jun 13th 2009, 09:21 PM
A bit off topic...

Recently a pair of doves have built a nest in an arbor by my garage. They worked together for days building, and now one (I assume the female) is patiently sitting on eggs 24/7. She stays there all day and night, faithfully waiting. It must be boring to wait for eggs to hatch!



Does she look bored? :)


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tt1106
Jun 13th 2009, 09:43 PM
Of course not. :) She's probably very content.:)

Prisca O Nwokeji
Oct 11th 2011, 07:24 PM
No, they don't. However, several species of pigeons and doves do produce bile to a small extent. However, it is not in the same chemical form as most bile in the bird kingdom and these species have no gall bladder to store or concentrate it. (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Do_Pigeons_and_Doves_Columbidae_have_a_gall_bladde r)
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Anything :) Is it true a dove does not have a gall bladder as I have heard?