This is a call to Christians around the world to please let's join together by proudly displaying the Christian flag, either at home, on our car, etc.
The Christian flag is a non-biased universal sign of Christianity. It isn't divided in denomination, race, nationality, or language.
Preachers, maybe speak to your congregations, order them from somewhere, or make them by hand.
Brothers and sisters in Christ, I ask for your help and prayers.
For this I am determined to follow my heart, and what better place to start than right here on the Christian forum.
Thank you all, and God bless:)

Does that mean lift high the cross? :idea:

http://www.christiancrafts.net/images/christian_flag.gif

Copied from here: (http://www.auburn.edu/%7Eallenkc/chrflag.html)

The first pledge to the Christian flag was written by Methodist pastor Lynn Harold Hough in 1908.
"I pledge allegiance to the Christian Flag and to the Savior for whose kingdom it stands. One brotherhood, uniting all mankind, in service and love."

http://www.christiancrafts.net/images/christian_flag.gif

Thanks for the picture, TrophyofGrace.
RED stands for the blood of Jesus Christ and love
WHITE stands for purity and peace
BLUE stands for faith and truth
Support is needed from Christians around the world, to come together in one unified act of Christianity. To know it in your heart, we are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ.

I don't find any historical or biblical imperative to pledge allegiance to or to display religious symbols.

I'll be passing out cups of cool water.

I don't find any historical or biblical imperative to pledge allegiance to or to display religious symbols.

I'll be passing out cups of cool water.
If we would be obedient we would Preach the word be instant in season and out of season reprove rebuke exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 2Tim 4:2 Flags are fun but our mandate is to declare Christ before a lost and dying world. Mat 28:19-20 If flying a Christian flag will provoke you to testify of Christ then by all means have at it.

For the cause of Christ.
Roger

If we would be obedient we would Preach the word be instant in season and out of season reprove rebuke exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 2Tim 4:2 Flags are fun but our mandate is to declare Christ before a lost and dying world. Mat 28:19-20 If flying a Christian flag will provoke you to testify of Christ then by all means have at it.

For the cause of Christ.
Roger

If my life was not already a testimony of Christ, I'd never even call myself a Christian, let alone fly the Christian flag. You, however, have free will to think what you want. I find you and RabbiKnife potential stumbling blocks to a good effort in the name of Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. It isn't an effort to force anyone to do anything they felt was wrong, and people with your attitudes, I wouldn't encourage flying the Christian flag at all.

To any Christians around the world who want to join in this effort of support for Christianity, please don't let negative responses deter you. Anything we do as one, in the name of Jesus Christ, is good and successful, maybe even FUN! :)

I don't have a Christian flag and wouldn't know where to get one either...

I don't find any historical or biblical imperative to pledge allegiance to or to display religious symbols.

I'll be passing out cups of cool water.

Actually the early Christian used the sign of the fish to let other believers know where they were...

The Christian Fish Symbol (http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/symbols/fish.htm)

The fish was an early symbol of Christian faith that endures today on bumper stickers and businesses as a sign of Christian faith.


The fish is thought to have been chosen by the early Christians for several reasons:

* the Greek word for fish (ICHTUS), works nicely as an acrostic for "Jesus Christ, God's Son, Savior"
* the fish would not be an obvious Christian symbol to persecutors
* Jesus' ministry is associated with fish: he chose several fishermen to be his disciples and declared he would make them "fishers of men."

It is said that during the persecution of the early church, a Christian meeting someone new would draw a single arc in the sand. If the other person was a Christian, he or she would complete the drawing of a fish with a second arc. If the second person was not a Christian, the ambiguity of the half-symbol would not reveal the first person as a Christian.

The second fish symbol above is the ICHTHUS fish, with the Greek word for fish written out to emphasize the symbolic acrostic described above.

Although the word looks like IXOYE, the letters are from the Greek alphabet, so the "I" is actually an iota, the "X" is actually a chi, the "O" is actually a theta, the "Y" is an upsilon, and the "E" or "C" at the end is a sigma. Taking the first sound from each of these Greek letter names, we get the transliteration into our alphabet of ICHTHUS.

Today, when Christians (in the West) do not need to worry about persecution, the Christian fish symbol often has "Jesus" written inside or includes a cross symbol. And of course, there have been many spoofs and variations of the popular Christian symbol, such as the famous "Darwin fish" (with legs).

The fish is also a symbol of baptism, since a fish is at home in the water.

Related Bible Verse

As Jesus walked beside the Sea of Galilee, he saw Simon and his brother Andrew casting a net into the lake, for they were fishermen. "Come, follow men," Jesus said, "and I will make you fishers of men." At once they left their nets and followed him. (Mark 1:16-18)
References

1. Patricia S. Klein, Worship without Words: The Signs and Symbols of Our Faith (2000).
2. Carolle E. Whittenmore, ed., Symbols of the Church.
3. George Wells Ferguson, Signs & Symbols in Christian Art.
4. Frederick Rest, Our Christian Symbols.

God Bless

I think his key word was "imperative", that is, that there is a necessity to display a particular symbol in order to spread the gospel.

Personally, while I think it wouldn't do harm to Christianity to have its own universally recognizable flag, I don't put stock in the one being discussed. Particularly, the fact that it isn't really "universal". The creator blatantly based it off of the US flag (in design and color), which makes it more of an American icon than a universal one...

I don't have a Christian flag and wouldn't know where to get one either...
We have found some on ebay at a reasonable price, and some other places online sell them. We are, however, getting material together to make them ourselves too. I'd be glad to send you one when we are done making them.

I'm not so sure about the flag, but the pledge of allegiance to it is kinda creepy to be honest.

I hope this doesn't sound like a stupid question: But what would having everyone fly this flag on their homes and cars accomplish?

"And they will know that you are my disciples by your flags."

We have found some on ebay at a reasonable price, and some other places online sell them. We are, however, getting material together to make them ourselves too. I'd be glad to send you one when we are done making them.

That is ok...I have nothing to hang it on anyway. Good luck with this though. :)

God bless

I'm not so sure about the flag, but the pledge of allegiance to it is kinda creepy to be honest.

I hope this doesn't sound like a stupid question: But what would having everyone fly this flag on their homes and cars accomplish?

For example:
Remember after the attack on 9/11, this nation came together by flying the American flag more than ever before. It somehow unified us as a nation, and this was a way of showing our loyalty to our country. I still proudly stand up for what I believe in, so that is what I am accomplishing by flying the Christian flag. It might not be for everyone.:)

I do think it is one universal symbol for Christianity because it is not restricted to one race, denomination, language or country(even though it is red,white and blue).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Flag

first off this article from wikipedia shows the origins. it was created in 1897...

"The superintendent of a Sunday school (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_school), Charles C. Overton, was forced to give an impromptu lecture to the gathered students, because the scheduled speaker had failed to arrive for the event. Overton saw a flag of the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_United_States) in the front of the chapel (a common custom in many American churches). Drawing on the flag for inspiration, he gave a speech asking the students what a flag representing Christianity would look like."


For example:
Remember after the attack on 9/11, this nation came together by flying the American flag more than ever before. It somehow unified us as a nation, and this was a way of showing our loyalty to our country. I still proudly stand up for what I believe in, so that is what I am accomplishing by flying the Christian flag. It might not be for everyone.:)

I do think it is one universal symbol for Christianity because it is not restricted to one race, denomination, language or country(even though it is red,white and blue).

Please read the wiki article and please tell me how this flag is not limited to one country, race denomination...etc.

as for this: number one, the country was unified because the country was attacked. The country, almost as a whole, later resumed its mocking of our President.

Secondly, I show my loyalty to Jesus My Savior by the way I live my life. I don't need a flag or a fish stuck on the back of my car to open the door to witnessing..

“Who among you is wise and understanding? Let him show by his good behavior his deeds in the gentleness of wisdom” -James 3:13

I am not condemning the flag of Christianity in any way but i want the people who read this to realize that in a world as corrupt as the one we live in today: the way we live our lives, in accordance to God's will, is a stark difference then those in this world who don't...and if that isn't reason enough to ask then I don't know what is.

Also, if you are going to fly this flag--fly it for the right reasons. I know too many people (and they make it harder for every christian) who put the fish on their car or fly that flag just to make themselves look good. It may seem obvious but the flag is not for ourselves it is to proclaim the Truth.

GiL

PS:I have never seen or heard of this flag until now...i think the fish is a far better universal symbol provided it is used with the correct intentions.

Secondly, I show my loyalty to Jesus My Savior by the way I live my life. I don't need a flag or a fish stuck on the back of my car to open the door to witnessing..

I thought the fish on the back of cars meant "I am not under traffic laws"

I thought the fish on the back of cars meant "I am not under traffic laws"
No, that's the one of the fish with feet. ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Flag

first off this article from wikipedia shows the origins. it was created in 1897...

"The superintendent of a Sunday school (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_school), Charles C. Overton, was forced to give an impromptu lecture to the gathered students, because the scheduled speaker had failed to arrive for the event. Overton saw a flag of the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_United_States) in the front of the chapel (a common custom in many American churches). Drawing on the flag for inspiration, he gave a speech asking the students what a flag representing Christianity would look like."



Please read the wiki article and please tell me how this flag is not limited to one country, race denomination...etc.

as for this: number one, the country was unified because the country was attacked. The country, almost as a whole, later resumed its mocking of our President.

Secondly, I show my loyalty to Jesus My Savior by the way I live my life. I don't need a flag or a fish stuck on the back of my car to open the door to witnessing..

“Who among you is wise and understanding? Let him show by his good behavior his deeds in the gentleness of wisdom” -James 3:13

I am not condemning the flag of Christianity in any way but i want the people who read this to realize that in a world as corrupt as the one we live in today: the way we live our lives, in accordance to God's will, is a stark difference then those in this world who don't...and if that isn't reason enough to ask then I don't know what is.

Also, if you are going to fly this flag--fly it for the right reasons. I know too many people (and they make it harder for every christian) who put the fish on their car or fly that flag just to make themselves look good. It may seem obvious but the flag is not for ourselves it is to proclaim the Truth.

GiL

PS:I have never seen or heard of this flag until now...i think the fish is a far better universal symbol provided it is used with the correct intentions.

GiL,

By all means, display the fish, I never meant to offend anyone or anything. I know too many people(and they make it harder for every christian) who question the "intentions" of other Christians especially when they don't even know them. And if the Christian flag was meant just for the U.S., what would have been the point at all?

I realize I came off way too strong, and I want to apologize.

What I really wanted to get across was that we should be careful to not make the fish or the flag an idol. They are merely symbols of our faith for others to see...I know I went through a stage where I had all these symbols (WWJD bracelet, fish, etc.) and you can really get caught up in your image which is what these symbols are NOT for.

GiL

I realize I came off way too strong, and I want to apologize.

What I really wanted to get across was that we should be careful to not make the fish or the flag an idol. They are merely symbols of our faith for others to see...I know I went through a stage where I had all these symbols (WWJD bracelet, fish, etc.) and you can really get caught up in your image which is what these symbols are NOT for.

GiL
Apology accepted, and I understand your point. Unfortunately, you are right about the misuse of these symbols but God knows who they are! To be honest, this is not something I've ever even considered, pro or con, until now. I'm only now doing what has been on my heart, and that's the best way I can explain it. Anyway, I'm glad to clear things up, and no harm done :hug:.

I don't have a Christian flag and wouldn't know where to get one either...

Any Bible bookstore has or can get you one.

Are there idolatry issues here? Not necessarily saying there are but I haven't thought it through. I'd appreciate any input on that, though.

How can we pretend to be unified when we are the most divided religion in the world?! Take a look at the posts and discussions in this forum alone.

all the best...

Why not a flag with a crucifix instead of an empty cross? After all, we preach Christ and Him crucified, not an empty cross. If you say well it represents that He is risen and no longer dead, then why not an empty tomb?
Just some thoughts to stir the pot.

In the business world there is a principal of unintended consequences. I will preface my remarks by saying that I attend a bible church and we display an American flag and a Christian flag in the sanctuary. During our Vacation Bible School we recite the pledge to the Christian Flag and the pledge to the American flag and the pledge to the bible. I believe we did the same in our Christian school before it closed:cry:.
Now the problem I see is that nothing prevents the local brothel from displaying the Christian flag to attract additional business. How about the local abortion clinic displaying the Christian flag?
I'm not trying to be negative but I'm saying don't be naive either.

For the cause of Christ.
Roger

How can we pretend to be unified when we are the most divided religion in the world?! Take a look at the posts and discussions in this forum alone.


Hey I've never liked how divided Christianity is either, but "most divided in the world"?

What about all the different flavors of gnosticism? What about the panoply of New Age beliefs? And do we put each other to the sword like the Shi'ite and Sunni Muslims?

Why not a flag with a crucifix instead of an empty cross? After all, we preach Christ and Him crucified, not an empty cross. If you say well it represents that He is risen and no longer dead, then why not an empty tomb?
Just some thoughts to stir the pot.

You know, when I started this thread, I expected more "why not?" than "why". I didn't design the flag, but for me the red cross that stands for the blood of Jesus Christ says enough. You can make it as complicated as humanly possible, and it is still going to make sense to me. I am proud of my Lord and Savior,Jesus Christ, and no matter whether I'm flying the flag or not I'm going to represent Him in my life. :)

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Now the problem I see is that nothing prevents the local brothel from displaying the Christian flag to attract additional business. How about the local abortion clinic displaying the Christian flag?
I'm not trying to be negative but I'm saying don't be naive either[/quote]

Unfortunately, there are people that falsely proclaim Christ for their own personal gain. Sometimes it's obvious, like an abortion clinic, or sometimes you never would know, like members of the church, or even some preachers. Anyone can lie about being a Christian, but instead of being skeptical of every christian, I let God deal with them, since He is the only one that really knows a persons heart. Noone should be as naive to just assume someone is a Christian just because they go to church, fly a flag, or display the fish symbol. This thread was a call for support and defense of Christianity. If you don't think this world needs it, you don't have to participate.

Hey I've never liked how divided Christianity is either, but "most divided in the world"?

What about all the different flavors of gnosticism? What about the panoply of New Age beliefs? And do we put each other to the sword like the Shi'ite and Sunni Muslims?

Muslims have 2 main factions. Gnosticism and new Age have all kinds of various teachings but noone takes them serious enough to quarrel about them. Same for Bhudda and Hindu.
Christendom has at last count some 20,000 denominations and sects. We are very divided on even the essentials. Not talking about just Catholic vs. Protestantism. Serious divisions, Serious problems.
I suppose some kind of superficial unity can be posed. After all the USA is united under one flag even though there are several people and viewpoints that make it up.

all the best...

Unfortunately, there are people that falsely proclaim Christ for their own personal gain. Sometimes it's obvious, like an abortion clinic, or sometimes you never would know, like members of the church, or even some preachers. Anyone can lie about being a Christian, but instead of being skeptical of every christian, I let God deal with them, since He is the only one that really knows a persons heart. Noone should be as naive to just assume someone is a Christian just because they go to church, fly a flag, or display the fish symbol. This thread was a call for support and defense of Christianity. If you don't think this world needs it, you don't have to participate.

The world does not need Christianity it needs a relationship with Jesus. Our Lord did not establish the Christian religion or religious institutions (churches). They were established by man in an apparent effort to have something more tangible than an invisible God. And anything established by man is doomed to fail (the religious institutions not the Body of Believers). Yes the Christian religion is the most divided in the world because members are generally more loyal to their particular branch of the religion than to Jesus Christ (if they know Him at all). If one chooses to fly the Christian flag because they are proud to be a follower of the Lord Jesus so be it. If they fly the flag because they are touting their particular branch of the Christian religion then I believe it is pointless and profits nothing for the Kingdom..

The world does not need Christianity it needs a relationship with Jesus.
Isn't Christianity having a relationship with Jesus? I'm confused on your point here, but I do think the people world need a relationship with Jesus, if they don't have one already.

Our Lord did not establish the Christian religion or religious institutions (churches). They were established by man in an apparent effort to have something more tangible than an invisible God. And anything established by man is doomed to fail (the religious institutions not the Body of Believers).

Are you saying that Christian churches (any branch) were not part God's plan to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ? Yes, He had to inspire man to build them, just like He did the Holy Bible, written by man but inspired by God. Most people, like myself, first learned about God, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost in a church. I keep learning about Him only by reading the Holy Bible. Man had to answer the call, right? Why such a negative approach?


If they fly the flag because they are touting their particular branch of the Christian religion then I believe it is pointless and profits nothing for the Kingdom..
No I don't just promote one branch of Christian religion, I think they are all part of the whole body of Christ.

Isn't Christianity having a relationship with Jesus?

No. Christianity is a religion. There may be some in the movement that have a relationship with Jesus but belonging to the Christian religion does not mean one is a follower of the Lord Jesus.

Are you saying that Christian churches (any branch) were not part God's plan to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ?

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Yes, He had to inspire man to build them, just like He did the Holy Bible, written by man but inspired by God. Most people, like myself, first learned about God, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost in a church.

There is no Scripture directing man to "build a church". We are commanded as INDIVIDUALS to "Go into all the world and preach the Gospel..." Sadly, most Christians have turned that responsibility over to the church. The best use for the church is to teach Believers how to evangelize. It is not the responsibility of a church to evangelize.

I keep learning about Him only by reading the Holy Bible. Man had to answer the call, right?

He should have but generally has not done what he has been commanded. If Believers today were doing what the early Believers in the Book of Acts did there would hardly be an unsaved person on the face of the planet.

Why such a negative approach?

You may call it negative but I praise God the He has opened my eyes to the failure of the religious institution and the Body generally.

No I don't just promote one branch of Christian religion, I think they are all part of the whole body of Christ.

If only they were.




Good for you. Continue to promote the Body. Just make sure it's the Body you are promoting.

mr. bob allen,

Your responses are intentionally hurtful, and I don't agree with you one bit. My heart is saddened, sickened and discouraged by you, but I have a feeling I'm not the only one on here you have made feel like that. You've probably run off a few good Christians from this site, and any where else you go. My first reaction was to sign off from here for good, but then I prayed. I'm not the one with the problem here, I meant no harm to anyone. I have nothing in this world, my life is for my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. You may think you're just telling it like it is, but what kind of example are you making as a Christian? I would never had wanted to become a Christian if you had been the example I had to go by.

mr. bob allen,

Your responses are intentionally hurtful, and I don't agree with you one bit. My heart is saddened, sickened and discouraged by you, but I have a feeling I'm not the only one on here you have made feel like that. You've probably run off a few good Christians from this site, and any where else you go. My first reaction was to sign off from here for good, but then I prayed. I'm not the one with the problem here, I meant no harm to anyone. I have nothing in this world, my life is for my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. You may think you're just telling it like it is, but what kind of example are you making as a Christian? I would never had wanted to become a Christian if you had been the example I had to go by.

I encourage you to continue to do what you are doing if it works for you. None of my remarks were intended as a personal attack. They just reflect what I believe God has shown me regarding the condition of the religion and it's institutions. We need to keep our eyes on Jesus and seek God's will for our lives. As an example of a Christian I do not call myself a Christian except when I am given no other choice. I am not a follower of any religious institution but I am a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ. When I talk to those who are only marginal Believers or not Believers at all they appreciate what I say and are glad to know there are Believers (I'm not the only one) who "tell it like it is".

The world does not need Christianity it needs a relationship with Jesus.
Our Lord did not establish the Christian religion or religious institutions (churches). They were established by man in an apparent effort to have something more tangible than an invisible God. And anything established by man is doomed to fail (the religious institutions not the Body of Believers). Yes the Christian religion is the most divided in the world because members are generally more loyal to their particular branch of the religion than to Jesus Christ (if they know Him at all). If one chooses to fly the Christian flag because they are proud to be a follower of the Lord Jesus so be it. If they fly the flag because they are touting their particular branch of the Christian religion then I believe it is pointless and profits nothing for the Kingdom..

I'm afraid I have to disagree intensely on this. Our Lord did indeed establish His Church. (Matthew 16:18)

The reason for the state of thngs today is...too many Lone Ranger Christians interpreting the Bible to their own understandings, and centuries of false teachers!

all the best...

I'm afraid I have to disagree intensely on this. Our Lord did indeed establish His Church. (Matthew 16:18)

The reason for the state of thngs today is...too many Lone Ranger Christians interpreting the Bible to their own understandings, and centuries of false teachers!

all the best...

Many Christians make the same mistake you do here. Matt: 16:18 is referring to the Body of Believers NOT the religious institution. There is no scripture instructing us to establish religious institutions. All the early church (Body) met in homes or out in the open.

Does not negate the fact that the Church is a living organism with formal ordinances and doctrines. If not, why would Paul and the others write all those epistles?

How can myriad of opposig doctrines make up "one" body?

A house divided against itself cannot stand (Matt 12:25)

all the best...

Does not negate the fact that the Church is a living organism with formal ordinances and doctrines. If not, why would Paul and the others write all those epistles?

How can myriad of opposig doctrines make up "one" body?

A house divided against itself cannot stand (Matt 12:25)

all the best...

Paul was writing to the BODY in various locations NOT religious institutions. The Body of Believers and Christianity's religious institutions are not the same. The Church (Body of Believers) is the living organism. The religious institutions (churches) are not.

Neither here nor there, but isn't it amazing that in the early days they were small enough to meet in homes in various places and was it hard to find a group of believers? Now, you can find a group of believers anywhere without looking very far. Sometimes I wonder if we grouped all true believers in the whole world together would we need a state or country to be able to hold us all in? What size area would we need?
But we know the early church was scattered and the reason being to spread the Gospel.

This is a call to Christians around the world to please let's join together by proudly displaying the Christian flag, either at home, on our car, etc.
The Christian flag is a non-biased universal sign of Christianity. It isn't divided in denomination, race, nationality, or language.
Preachers, maybe speak to your congregations, order them from somewhere, or make them by hand.
Brothers and sisters in Christ, I ask for your help and prayers.
For this I am determined to follow my heart, and what better place to start than right here on the Christian forum.
Thank you all, and God bless:)



THe CHristian Flag IMO is in fact biased, as it's themes and promotion often include ecumenism (sp?) with organizations to which i have great doctrinal differences with. Frankly, I don't want to pledge allegiance to something made of hands in place of Christ anyways.

It is a well wishing notion and that I can appreciate. However no flag can unify a people as deeply divided as Christians. There are just too many geometrically opposed doctrines and worship forms to be called "one" body. I agree also with the last poster. A symbol of this sort is a tip of the hat to ecumenicism. Dangerous to say the least.

all the best...

THe CHristian Flag IMO is in fact biased, as it's themes and promotion often include ecumenism (sp?) with organizations to which i have great doctrinal differences with. Frankly, I don't want to pledge allegiance to something made of hands in place of Christ anyways.


This simple call to Christians has been somehow misunderstood. I've never even said anything about replacing Christ with any flag. I don't even know what "ecumenism" means, and God forgive me if I've promoted anything other than loyalty to Jesus Christ. I never mentioned the pledge allegiance either. Honestly, I don't even know it. IMO, some posters on this site look for a negative approach. Frankly, I'm so disappointed on how twisted and complicated some Christians can make things sometimes. :cry:

I encourage you to continue to do what you are doing if it works for you. None of my remarks were intended as a personal attack. They just reflect what I believe God has shown me regarding the condition of the religion and it's institutions. We need to keep our eyes on Jesus and seek God's will for our lives. As an example of a Christian I do not call myself a Christian except when I am given no other choice. I am not a follower of any religious institution but I am a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ. When I talk to those who are only marginal Believers or not Believers at all they appreciate what I say and are glad to know there are Believers (I'm not the only one) who "tell it like it is".

That's what a Christian is - a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Acts 11:26 "And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."

Eph 3:14-15 "For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named."

Dear brother, I would encourage you not to throw the baby out with the bath water.

This simple call to Christians has been somehow misunderstood. I've never even said anything about replacing Christ with any flag. I don't even know what "ecumenism" means, and God forgive me if I've promoted anything other than loyalty to Jesus Christ. I never mentioned the pledge allegiance either. Honestly, I don't even know it. IMO, some posters on this site look for a negative approach. Frankly, I'm so disappointed on how twisted and complicated some Christians can make things sometimes. :cry:


I can understand that. A simple search on wikipedia on what the so called "Christian Flag" stands for might clear up some of the issues. I know it concerned me enough that I suggested to my then pastor to not mention it in VBS to young children.


It's not that I think its twisted, I wish it was truly pure, but I've seen of late a growing trend toward inclusivism with other denominations even at the sake of correct doctrine. It has put me on guard to any movement that hints at Ecumenism, and I'm sorry if you don't understand what the word means, I do recommend you read up on it so you may understand.

Unity has to be based on Truth, and the only Truth is found in God's word.

I can understand that. A simple search on wikipedia on what the so called "Christian Flag" stands for might clear up some of the issues. I know it concerned me enough that I suggested to my then pastor to not mention it in VBS to young children.


It's not that I think its twisted, I wish it was truly pure, but I've seen of late a growing trend toward inclusivism with other denominations even at the sake of correct doctrine. It has put me on guard to any movement that hints at Ecumenism, and I'm sorry if you don't understand what the word means, I do recommend you read up on it so you may understand.

Unity has to be based on Truth, and the only Truth is found in God's word.

I agree that the only Truth is found in God's word, that may be why I'm not familiar with the word "ecumenism". If you could direct me to some scripture maybe I could understand?? I don't consider wikipedia(with all due respect) God's word, and it's odd that you would direct me there as a basis of your argument, considering your last statement, instead of the Bible.

I'm not at ease with the way the world seems to be bashing Christianity. I'm not comfortable hearing that other religions are promoting their false gods, and misleading souls that are just searching for what we've already found. I can't sit back and do nothing, and I won't. God knows what is in my heart, and that is all that matters. This is certainly teaching me that even Christians bash other Christians, without even knowing them, really.

I agree that the only Truth is found in God's word, that may be why I'm not familiar with the word "ecumenism". If you could direct me to some scripture maybe I could understand?? I don't consider wikipedia(with all due respect) God's word, and it's odd that you would direct me there as a basis of your argument, considering your last statement, instead of the Bible.

He's directing you to wikipedia so you can understand the concept of ecumenism, which isn't a word specifically mentioned in scripture. Scripture holds all the spiritual truth we need to enter a relationship with God, but it does not hold all objective truths. It doesn't say what color of shirt I'm wearing today (olive green -> objectively true), nor does it define Pi, yet you've probably made use of a wheel today. It doesn't tell us that one mol of a substance has Avagadro's number of molecules in it, nor does it tell us the chemical process by which blood coagulates so our cuts will heal.

He's directing you to wikipedia so you can understand the concept of ecumenism, which isn't a word specifically mentioned in scripture. Scripture holds all the spiritual truth we need to enter a relationship with God, but it does not hold all objective truths. It doesn't say what color of shirt I'm wearing today (olive green -> objectively true), nor does it define Pi, yet you've probably made use of a wheel today. It doesn't tell us that one mol of a substance has Avagadro's number of molecules in it, nor does it tell us the chemical process by which blood coagulates so our cuts will heal.

I'm not doubting the credibility of wikipedia, and for some areas of my life, I'm sure it can be useful. I asked for scripture because I feel this is more in the spiritual area of my life. If someone bases this as their argument against my beliefs, then shouldn't they back it up with some scripture. especially if they are promoting the "Truth". I simply asked real Christians around the world to show our support for Christ. Flying the Christian flag is one way of doing that,IMO. Frankly, I didn't expect as much negative feedback.

I'm not doubting the credibility of wikipedia, and for some areas of my life, I'm sure it can be useful. I asked for scripture because I feel this is more in the spiritual area of my life. If someone bases this as their argument against my beliefs, then shouldn't they back it up with some scripture. especially if they are promoting the "Truth". I simply asked real Christians around the world to show our support for Christ. Flying the Christian flag is one way of doing that,IMO. Frankly, I didn't expect as much negative feedback.

I guess that cuts both ways R2G. You request scripture rather than wikipedia when someone questions the appropriateness of the flag, yet you offer none which would endorse the flag in the first place.

I can't speak for anyone else, but "real Christians" stick out like a sore thumb to begin with. They don't need to fly flags to let everyone know. And while I don't find the flag itself offensive, I find the frequently attached "pledge of allegiance" to be incredibly disturbing.

That's what a Christian is - a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ.


Today "Christians" are thought of as members of the Christian religion. I do not want to be thought of as part of that religion but will without hesitation proclaim I am a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ. Most "Christians" when asked what their faith is will respond with the name of their religious institution ("I'm a Baptist", I'm a Pentecostal", I'm a Catholic"). Never mind that the Bible says His followers were called "Christians". The Bible does not command us to use the term "Christians" as the followers of Jesus Christ.

I guess that cuts both ways R2G. You request scripture rather than wikipedia when someone questions the appropriateness of the flag, yet you offer none which would endorse the flag in the first place.

How can it cut both ways when no one even asked for scripture from me until now? But since you mentioned it, I'll start with some verses that led me to this thread:

Psalm ch 94 vs 16
"Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?"
vs 17
"Unless the Lord had been my help, my soul had almost dwelt in silence."

Psalm ch 133 vs 1
"Behold, How good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!"

As far as the pledge of allegiance to the flag, when did I promote that or anything other than unity in the name of Jesus Christ? Followers of Jesus Christ have a right to promote,defend, proclaim, praise, and testify to the world. I for one want to use that right in whatever way the Lord leads me.

How can it cut both ways when no one even asked for scripture from me until now? But since you mentioned it, I'll start with some verses that led me to this thread:

Sorry, I guess I didn't realize you were waiting for someone to ask.


Psalm ch 94 vs 16
"Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?"
vs 17
"Unless the Lord had been my help, my soul had almost dwelt in silence."

Psalm ch 133 vs 1
"Behold, How good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!"
Ok. I have no idea how this pertains to a flag or how flags promote unity of work against iniquity.


As far as the pledge of allegiance to the flag, when did I promote that or anything other than unity in the name of Jesus Christ? Followers of Jesus Christ have a right to promote,defend, proclaim, praise, and testify to the world. I for one want to use that right in whatever way the Lord leads me.
Strictly speaking, you didn't. But I've never seen a discussion of the so called Christian flag without having the pledge sneak in too.

I agree that the only Truth is found in God's word, that may be why I'm not familiar with the word "ecumenism". If you could direct me to some scripture maybe I could understand?? I don't consider wikipedia(with all due respect) God's word, and it's odd that you would direct me there as a basis of your argument, considering your last statement, instead of the Bible.

I'm not at ease with the way the world seems to be bashing Christianity. I'm not comfortable hearing that other religions are promoting their false gods, and misleading souls that are just searching for what we've already found. I can't sit back and do nothing, and I won't. God knows what is in my heart, and that is all that matters. This is certainly teaching me that even Christians bash other Christians, without even knowing them, really.

He's right I as trying to define the ecumenism word with wikipedia, its not scriptural, because Unity should always be based int ruth, and I wans't entirely accurate either, sorry, hisleast was right, when I was speaking of truth I was referring to truth concerning God, Life, and how we should live.


here is one site I found on a quick search that made me supsicious of the flag, because of its ties to ecuminism. http://flagspot.net/flags/rel-chr.html Ultimately its up to each individual to decide whether it is being used in a way that God would approve of or not.