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Clavicula_Nox
Jun 29th 2009, 02:23 PM
Today, my wife was offered an "Amplified Bible" as a gift and was asking me if I knew anything about it. I consulted with my intel network, and discovered the following on Wikipedia:


The Amplified Bible (AMP) is an English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language) translation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Translation) of the Bible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible) produced jointly by The Zondervan Corporation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Zondervan_Corporation) and The Lockman Foundation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lockman_Foundation). The first edition was published in 1965. It is largely a revision of the American Standard Version (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Standard_Version) of 1901, with reference made to various texts in the original languages. It is designed to "amplify" the text by using a system of punctuation and other typographical features (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplified_Bible#Explanation_of_arbitrary_punctuati on_from_the_March_1985_printing) to bring out all shades of meaning present in the original texts.

Does this mean the Amplified Bible is better than the King James Version?

Scruffy Kid
Jun 29th 2009, 02:41 PM
Blessings on you ClavNox!

The "Amplified Version" is more a paraphrase or kluggy research tool than an actual translation. I don't have one to quote from, but the kind of thing it does is take a verse and then insert a lot of synonyms or equivalent phrases to gloss items which are in the text.

As a made-up example, if the verse were "seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these things will be added unto you" the Amplified "Version" might read "seek (search out, look for, try at attain) first (as a priority, or before all else) the kingdom (government, rule, authority) of God and his righteousness (justice, uprightness, or goodness) and all these things will be added (everything else will be supplied as well, all good things will come with it) to you."

That can be useful for thinking about what the meaning of the text is; but IMO it isn't a "version" or "translation" exactly, in the sense that it is taking sentences which flow in a paragraph and turning them not into the kinds of sentence that go in anything that anyone ever wrote, but into a kind of think-about-it reference or thesaurus commentary on the text.

Scruff

Firefighter
Jun 29th 2009, 02:50 PM
Does this mean the Amplified Bible is better than the King James Version?

Not really. I have one. Greek when translated to English tends to lose some of the subtle nuances. Look at "love". Greek has different words for different kinds of love. We have to add so many words to get the fullest meaning in English.

Where the Greek simply says αγάπη (agape), we have to say unconditional love.

Where the Greek simply says ερως (eros), we have to say passionate and romantic kind of love.

Where the Greek simply says φιλία (philos), we have to say brotherly love.

I'm sure you get the point. The Amplified Bible tries (many times very well) to bring out those nuances that get lost in translation.



John 3:16 (King James Version) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16 (Amplified Bible) For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten ([a]unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.

Ayala
Jun 29th 2009, 02:54 PM
I find it a great tool to have for personal study and learning. No, it does not take the KJV's place...it was in no way meant to. But I think it's a great Bible to have in your arsenal.

Whispering Grace
Jun 29th 2009, 02:57 PM
I found the amplified version very distracting. I never use it.

tt1106
Jun 29th 2009, 02:58 PM
I like to use an amplified Bible sometimes to prepare lessons, for the reasons that UM described. In BIble studies, I always use NASB or ESV, but the Amplifed sometimes has a very colorful vernacular.

2 Cornithians 12:9

9But He said to me, My grace (My favor and loving-kindness and mercy) is enough for you [sufficient against any danger and enables you to bear the trouble manfully]; for My strength and power are made perfect (fulfilled and completed) and [a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Corinthians%2012:9;&version=45;#fen-AMP-29030a)]show themselves most effective in [your] weakness. Therefore, I will all the more gladly glory in my weaknesses and infirmities, that the strength and power of Christ (the Messiah) may rest (yes, may [b (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Corinthians%2012:9;&version=45;#fen-AMP-29030b)]pitch a tent over and dwell) upon me!

Firefighter
Jun 29th 2009, 03:17 PM
Philippians 4:13 (Amplified Bible) I have strength for all things in Christ Who empowers me [I]and equal to anything[/B] through Him Who infuses inner strength into me; I am self-sufficient in Christ's sufficiency].

Here is a verse that has always troubled me in the AMP...

I am not equal to anything, in Christ I am greater than anything. I cannot overcome if I am equal to in Christ.

Izdaari
Jun 29th 2009, 04:26 PM
The Amplified isn't something I find particularly helpful... but most of the time, neither is the King James.

If I could have only one version, I'd be ESV-Only. ;)

Firefighter
Jun 29th 2009, 04:53 PM
I like it... most of it, but I can't help bu to think that they simply destroyed Philippians 4:13. Look at this part.


I am self-sufficient in Christ's sufficiency

That doesn't even make sense.:B

Steve M
Jun 29th 2009, 08:29 PM
I like having my AMP side-by-side with my other translations. When the meaning is murky in other translations often it'll help clear it up. When a word might have two meanings in English it can help indicate what the original language intended.

A good study tool. As a first Bible? I'd be careful.

Also, please note that there is a difference between [] and (). One is other meanings expressed in the Greek; others are what they feel are justified glosses, i.e., their opinion, and not expressed in the Greek.

Granted, their opinion is probably a lot weightier than mine, but it's still their opinion. Makes a difference.

Izdaari
Jun 29th 2009, 09:02 PM
I like it... most of it, but I can't help bu to think that they simply destroyed Philippians 4:13. Look at this part.



That doesn't even make sense.:B
Right, that's truly awful. :thumbsdn:

Izdaari
Jun 29th 2009, 09:09 PM
I like having my AMP side-by-side with my other translations. When the meaning is murky in other translations often it'll help clear it up. When a word might have two meanings in English it can help indicate what the original language intended.

A good study tool. As a first Bible? I'd be careful.

Also, please note that there is a difference between [] and (). One is other meanings expressed in the Greek; others are what they feel are justified glosses, i.e., their opinion, and not expressed in the Greek.

Granted, their opinion is probably a lot weightier than mine, but it's still their opinion. Makes a difference.That's some good points, but essentially it's the case for using a paraphrase in conjunction with a regular bible.

That's why I like my NASB/The Message parallel bible. Rev. Eugene H. Peterson's opinion is a lot weightier than mine, and often helps to clarify a difficult passage, but it's still his opinion, so I like having the most literal popular translation next to it for comparison.

I don't feel any pressing need to add an Amplified to my collection, but using it that way, I probably would find it useful.

Steve M
Jun 30th 2009, 03:52 PM
That's some good points, but essentially it's the case for using a paraphrase in conjunction with a regular bible.

That's why I like my NASB/The Message parallel bible. Rev. Eugene H. Peterson's opinion is a lot weightier than mine, and often helps to clarify a difficult passage, but it's still his opinion, so I like having the most literal popular translation next to it for comparison.

I don't feel any pressing need to add an Amplified to my collection, but using it that way, I probably would find it useful.

I like a four-version parallel, with a King James, Amplified, New American Standard and NIV, myself. It often gets it all beyond even a shadow of a doubt.

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