Lefty
Jul 13th 2009, 01:49 AM
An aquaintance of mine is an ex JW who left years ago after coming to the realization that their teachings were based on lies, and also the corruption he saw that made him sick. He's not a Christian now, and lives with a firm conviction of his own self-sufficiency and that he needs no religion.
I don't know his criticism of the Bible, I don't have the opportunity or time to debate scripture with him, but I do have the opportunity to quickly present a line of reasoning to him and hope/pray it sinks in someday. He's very intelligent and claims to value reason and logic, so maybe?
Can you check me on this? I was rolling this "witness" (for lack of a better word), around my head today and it seems ok, but I could use some feedback;
ok...pleasantly and humbly...
A) As far as I understand, the translators or JW powers that be at the time, corrupted the KJV with lies.
(He would certainly agree).
B) So lies were established, then a carefully constructed system was put into place to protect those lies. That's my take on these people.
(He would agree)
C) ...to my way of thinking, the purpose of lies are to suppress truth. You and I see it in every corrupt government and business. I have to ask then; what possible motive could there be to create lies to suppress what a person knows is false? A known falsehood, if dealt with at all, is corrected with truth, right? When is it ever replaced with intentional lies? I don't see any purpose there So, would'nt you agree that it's only unwelcome truth, truth that either offends a guilty conscience or presents a threat to someone's selfish desires that tempts one to replace it with lies?
(I think/hope he would agree)
D) Would you agree that the original JW powers that be intentionally, purposefully made up these lies? That they were'nt rather clumsy mistakes, but deliberate? After all, you've had to deal with a system that intentionally sought to cover up these things with more lies, and discouraging independent study, ( he knows that), so that fact would seem to prove that the originators of this "faith" actually saw truth in the KJV. Truth that they wanted suppressed?
(All my fingers and toes would be crossed here:)
I think I'd end it here and not press for a response. I don't want to be confrontational. He's had a lifetime of that already.
I don't know his criticism of the Bible, I don't have the opportunity or time to debate scripture with him, but I do have the opportunity to quickly present a line of reasoning to him and hope/pray it sinks in someday. He's very intelligent and claims to value reason and logic, so maybe?
Can you check me on this? I was rolling this "witness" (for lack of a better word), around my head today and it seems ok, but I could use some feedback;
ok...pleasantly and humbly...
A) As far as I understand, the translators or JW powers that be at the time, corrupted the KJV with lies.
(He would certainly agree).
B) So lies were established, then a carefully constructed system was put into place to protect those lies. That's my take on these people.
(He would agree)
C) ...to my way of thinking, the purpose of lies are to suppress truth. You and I see it in every corrupt government and business. I have to ask then; what possible motive could there be to create lies to suppress what a person knows is false? A known falsehood, if dealt with at all, is corrected with truth, right? When is it ever replaced with intentional lies? I don't see any purpose there So, would'nt you agree that it's only unwelcome truth, truth that either offends a guilty conscience or presents a threat to someone's selfish desires that tempts one to replace it with lies?
(I think/hope he would agree)
D) Would you agree that the original JW powers that be intentionally, purposefully made up these lies? That they were'nt rather clumsy mistakes, but deliberate? After all, you've had to deal with a system that intentionally sought to cover up these things with more lies, and discouraging independent study, ( he knows that), so that fact would seem to prove that the originators of this "faith" actually saw truth in the KJV. Truth that they wanted suppressed?
(All my fingers and toes would be crossed here:)
I think I'd end it here and not press for a response. I don't want to be confrontational. He's had a lifetime of that already.
