I am at a loss with this one. My wife belongs to a oneness pentecostal church. I used to be catholic, then converted to become pentecostal myself, but started to disagree with their oneness docturn and left. I believe in the trinity and have tried to show my wife why. I have herd that oneness is heresy. But, is it a damnable heresy? This issue has caused a few arguments.

Should I just keep quiet and let it go or try to show her whats right?

This just really frustrates me :B

I am at a loss with this one. My wife belongs to a oneness pentecostal church. I used to be catholic, then converted to become pentecostal myself, but started to disagree with their oneness docturn and left. I believe in the trinity and have tried to show my wife why. I have herd that oneness is heresy. But, is it a damnable heresy? This issue has caused a few arguments.

Should I just keep quiet and let it go or try to show her whats right?

This just really frustrates me :B

I looked up oneness theology to get a better idea of what you are speaking of. Is this it in a nutshell?


What is Oneness Pentecostal theology?
Oneness Pentecostal theology affirms that there exists only one God in all the universe. It affirms the deity of Jesus and the Holy Spirit. However, Oneness theology denies the Trinity. The Trinity is the doctrine that there is one God who manifests Himself as three distinct, simultaneous persons. The Trinity does not assert that there are three gods, but only one. This is important because many groups who oppose orthodoxy, will accuse Trinitarians of believing in three gods. But this is not so. The doctrine of the Trinity is that there is one God in three persons.

Oneness theology denies the Trinity and teaches that God is a single person who was "manifested as Father in creation and as the Father of the Son, in the Son for our redemption, and as the Holy Spirit in our regeneration."1 Another way of looking at it is that God revealed himself as Father in the Old Testament, as the Son in Jesus during Christ’s ministry on earth, and now as the Holy Spirit after Christ’s ascension.

In addition, oneness theology also maintains that baptism is a necessary part of salvation; that is, in order to be saved, one must be baptized, by immersion. If you are not baptized you cannot be saved. However, not only must baptism be by immersion, it must also be administered with the formula "In Jesus’ name" rather than the formula "In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit" which is mentioned in Matt. 28:19. Finally, this baptism must be administered by a duly ordained minister of a church that maintains oneness theology: United Pentecostal, United Apostolic, etc.

Oneness churches also teach that speaking in tongues is a necessary manifestation of the Holy Spirit. Since a person cannot be saved without the Holy Spirit (Rom. 8:9), it follows that only those who have spoken in tongues are really saved. There is, therefore, an emphasis that Oneness church members speak in tongues to "demonstrate" that they are saved and have the truth.



God set you over your household as the spiritual leader. I would lovingly and gently tell your wife your concerns, and why you do not believe as she does. I would show her scripturally why you believe she is being misled. Do not approach it as an issue of you being the man, so what I say goes, or spiritual superiority (I'm sure you wouldn't, but I'm afraid that approach would just make her defensive, and keep her from listening), approach it with husbandly love as she is your beloved mate--and the two of you are now one before God's eyes.--in marriage. :hug:

In Christ,
Jen

I am moving this thread to the World Religions forum as that is the only place Oneness is to be discussed.

I do want to say that you may not necessarily be unequally yoked...if Jesus Christ is your wife's Lord and Savior and she follows what He commanded, she is His, but she needs to be shown the error in what she is following...and as her husband, you are to be the spiritual leader of your home, so it is up to you to teach her the truth Scripturally.

I am at a loss with this one. My wife belongs to a oneness pentecostal church. I used to be catholic, then converted to become pentecostal myself, but started to disagree with their oneness docturn and left. I believe in the trinity and have tried to show my wife why. I have herd that oneness is heresy. But, is it a damnable heresy? This issue has caused a few arguments.

Should I just keep quiet and let it go or try to show her whats right?

This just really frustrates me :B

Hi there,

I used to belong to a sort of oneness movement and it's a difficult situation. Nobody convinced me that it was wrong, I somehow just got out of it, through the grace of God. Keep praying for your wife. God is mighty to save. I think if you keep making an issue out of it, your wife will just be more resistant. I'm sure you're aware of the whole 'us and them' cult psychology.

Nevertheless, I think there is substantial biblical proof that oneness is incorrect.

The Trinity is quite clear in the following verses:

And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
(Mat 3:16-17)

You clearly have Jesus, the Son of God, the Holy Spirit descending on Him, and the Father acknowledging Him.
If all three are a single entity, did Jesus descend upon Jesus and acknowledge Jesus as His Son?

If Oneness is true, the account of Jesus' baptism becomes nonsensical and rather weird. I'm sure Oneness followers have excuses to explain away the Baptism account, but it's just that, excuses. The baptism account loses it's meaning if all the entire account is dismissed as some sort of illusion.

Here's a pretty good link that you might want to study. http://www.carm.org/religious-movements/oneness-pentecostal

Thank you momof5 for moving the thread, I was unsure of where to put it. I do get a lot of excuses, Vim, as I have used that verse. It's like :B

I will just keep praying and trying to show scripture and be the spiritual leader. I should also let the Holy Spirit do most if not all the work on this.

This issue has caused me to stumble because for a while, I questioned my salvation. But know I realize I am truly saved because this issue bothers me so much. There are other foolish things they do, but oneness is the one that troubles me the most.

I looked up oneness theology to get a better idea of what you are speaking of. Is this it in a nutshell?


What is Oneness Pentecostal theology?
Oneness Pentecostal theology affirms that there exists only one God in all the universe. It affirms the deity of Jesus and the Holy Spirit. However, Oneness theology denies the Trinity. The Trinity is the doctrine that there is one God who manifests Himself as three distinct, simultaneous persons. The Trinity does not assert that there are three gods, but only one. This is important because many groups who oppose orthodoxy, will accuse Trinitarians of believing in three gods. But this is not so. The doctrine of the Trinity is that there is one God in three persons.

Oneness theology denies the Trinity and teaches that God is a single person who was "manifested as Father in creation and as the Father of the Son, in the Son for our redemption, and as the Holy Spirit in our regeneration."1 Another way of looking at it is that God revealed himself as Father in the Old Testament, as the Son in Jesus during Christ’s ministry on earth, and now as the Holy Spirit after Christ’s ascension.

In addition, oneness theology also maintains that baptism is a necessary part of salvation; that is, in order to be saved, one must be baptized, by immersion. If you are not baptized you cannot be saved. However, not only must baptism be by immersion, it must also be administered with the formula "In Jesus’ name" rather than the formula "In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit" which is mentioned in Matt. 28:19. Finally, this baptism must be administered by a duly ordained minister of a church that maintains oneness theology: United Pentecostal, United Apostolic, etc.

Oneness churches also teach that speaking in tongues is a necessary manifestation of the Holy Spirit. Since a person cannot be saved without the Holy Spirit (Rom. 8:9), it follows that only those who have spoken in tongues are really saved. There is, therefore, an emphasis that Oneness church members speak in tongues to "demonstrate" that they are saved and have the truth.



God set you over your household as the spiritual leader. I would lovingly and gently tell your wife your concerns, and why you do not believe as she does. I would show her scripturally why you believe she is being misled. Do not approach it as an issue of you being the man, so what I say goes, or spiritual superiority (I'm sure you wouldn't, but I'm afraid that approach would just make her defensive, and keep her from listening), approach it with husbandly love as she is your beloved mate--and the two of you are now one before God's eyes.--in marriage. :hug:

In Christ,
Jen


This "oneness" sounds pretty identical to "modalism" heresy of the third and fourth centuries.

If I understand correctly, Oneness Pentecostalism teaches that everybody who isn't a Oneness Pentecostal is going to hell.