I wasn't sure where to post this but I thought it was really cool and wanted to share. Are a lot of you fans of Carrie Underwood? When Jesus, Take the Wheel came out... I was really moved. I love when artists use the advantages of being a mainstream superstar to share Jesus with people. Her newest song "Temporary Home" just came out and man... it's incredible. The song talks about three different stories, each giving the chorus a different meaning. The song follows a foster child and a single mom in a halfway house while they say that they know that this home is only temporary. It ends with an old man dying in a hospital bed, saying that he's seen God and that his life here on earth is only temporary. Carrie said that she was inspired by The Purpose Driven Life by Rick Warren. I know that many of you have probably read the book so I wanted to give you the chance to check out this article... it's really nice.

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-23336-Country-Girls-Examiner~y2009m10d20-The-Purpose-Driven-Life-the-book-behind-Carrie-Underwoods-Temporary-Home

That's good. It's too bad the book should be avoided.

Do you really think so?

Do you really think so?

I tend to be really hard on Christian fluff.

I generally like Rick Warren. I really do.

But PDL doesn't melt my butter. It was just a real yawner.

I believe that it arises from a church culture that has deified "God's Will" and made it some holy grail that the Knights that Say "Ne" must seek in Quest.

I though God's will was that I be conformed to the image of Jesus, and to occupy till He comes?

Everything else is just sort of pop culture "how can we control people in the pew" sort of stuff.

Imagine what I would say if I didn't like Rick?

Just didn't care for PDL.

I only got a few chapters into PDL before I got more interested in my own life then anything else. From what I remembered it contained strong encouragement to live as if your life depended on your faith.

At the risk of sounding lazy and depending on someone else's research, what are the theological disagreements with Warren's work?

I tend to be really hard on Christian fluff.


Then it's a good thing you only have your opinion to stand on, eh?

Fluff? far from it a little wiki for the Xel'Naga,

The Purpose Driven Life (2002) is a devotional (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_study_(Christian)) book written by Christian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian) author Rick Warren (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Warren) and published by Zondervan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zondervan). The book has been on the New York Times Best Seller list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Best_Seller_list) for advice books for one of the longest periods in history, while also becoming arguably one of the best-selling non-fiction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-fiction) books of all time, topping the Wall Street Journal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Journal) best seller charts as well as Publishers Weekly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publishers_Weekly) charts with over 30 million copies in print by 2006.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Purpose_Driven_Life#cite_note-0)


I'm quite anxious to read your book. :lol:

Then it's a good thing you only have your opinion to stand on, eh?

Fluff? far from it a little wiki for the Xel'Naga,

The Purpose Driven Life (2002) is a devotional (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_study_%28Christian%29) book written by Christian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian) author Rick Warren (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Warren) and published by Zondervan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zondervan). The book has been on the New York Times Best Seller list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Best_Seller_list) for advice books for one of the longest periods in history, while also becoming arguably one of the best-selling non-fiction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-fiction) books of all time, topping the Wall Street Journal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Journal) best seller charts as well as Publishers Weekly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publishers_Weekly) charts with over 30 million copies in print by 2006.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Purpose_Driven_Life#cite_note-0)

I'm quite anxious to read your book. :lol:

Might I direct you to C.S Lewis' The ScrewTape Letters with a question: what method do the demons devise to destroy the church? Do you think that just because a book has sold 30 million copies that it has legitimized itself? Do you think that just because a church service can fill a stadium that the man preaching is preaching Scripturally? I have the PDL, I have a very nice edition of the PDL. I've read the PDL more than once. In fact, when my church went through the PDL I brought that to church instead of my Bible; I didn't miss a beat. It's ambiguous spirituality with the word 'Christian' thrown around in the middle bits.

It's fluff for new Christians who don't know any better or spiritualists who don't like religion. I apologize to all the people who got something out of it, that's very good that they did, however, that doesn't mean the book is worth opening.

I'm quite fine going into things with respect to HisLeasts question... But don't quote Wikipedia to me. I generally don't speak out of ignorance.

Might I direct you to C.S Lewis' The ScrewTape Letters with a question: what method do the demons devise to destroy the church? Do you think that just because a book has sold 30 million copies that it has legitimized itself? Do you think that just because a church service can fill a stadium that the man preaching is preaching Scripturally? I have the PDL, I have a very nice edition of the PDL. I've read the PDL more than once. In fact, when my church went through the PDL I brought that to church instead of my Bible; I didn't miss a beat. It's ambiguous spirituality with the word 'Christian' thrown around in the middle bits.

It's fluff for new Christians who don't know any better or spiritualists who don't like religion. I apologize to all the people who got something out of it, that's very good that they did, however, that doesn't mean the book is worth opening.

I'm quite fine going into things with respect to HisLeasts question... But don't quote Wikipedia to me. I generally don't speak out of ignorance.


In your infinite knowledge, take a bow, the wiki was given as a testimony to it's success and the countless lives it has helped, like mine own, It brought me to a closer relationship with GOD, like I said, I am very anxious to read your book.


"I generally don't speak out of ignorance."

I think only you believe that, So I guess this would be your first time then? Generally?

In your infinite knowledge, take a bow, the wiki was given as a testimony to it's success and the countless life it has helped, like mine own, It brought me to a closer relationship with GOD, like I said, I am very anxious to read your book.

"I generally don't speak out of ignorance."

I think only you believe that, So I guess this would be your first time then? Generally?

As I'll state again:

It's fluff for new Christians who don't know any better or spiritualists who don't like religion. I apologize to all the people who got something out of it, that's very good that they did, however, that doesn't mean the book is worth opening.
If you feel the statement is harsh, that's fine. I'll apologize for it being harsh but I won't retcon it. I would draw your attention to the 'fact' that while I'm speaking about a book, you are speaking about a person (myself). You should understand, then, that I'm not speaking of Rick Warren, whom, like others in this thread, I don't have much of a problem with. Neither have I claimed 'infinite knowledge,' nor did you ask, as with HisLeast, for a reason why I said what I did. Rather, you responded quite defensively. Do I need to go to Wikipedia or some other source to reference the life changing aspects of The Secret, Oprah or the writings of Ekhart Tolle? Perhaps Dr. Dwayne Dyer? Joel Osteen or others who claim Christ, Oprah included? I'll repeat myself, it's very good God has used the PDL to bring you into a closer relationship with Him. That doesn't mean, however, that the book itself is profitable.

Would you like to self-righteously continue, are you interested in any sort of discussion that doesn't include what appears to be your 'pet attitude'? I know HisLeast is, he specifically asked for the theological problems any of us have with the book. I don't really think I need to have a book myself to know whether or not someone else's book is what it should be.

Are you able to answer my question? How do the demons in The Screwtape Letters decide they are going to help destroy the church? This actually is an important question.

As I'll state again:

It's fluff for new Christians who don't know any better or spiritualists who don't like religion. I apologize to all the people who got something out of it, that's very good that they did, however, that doesn't mean the book is worth opening.
If you feel the statement is harsh, that's fine. I'll apologize for it being harsh but I won't retcon it. I would draw your attention to the 'fact' that while I'm speaking about a book, you are speaking about a person (myself). You should understand, then, that I'm not speaking of Rick Warren, whom, like others in this thread, I don't have much of a problem with. Neither have I claimed 'infinite knowledge,' nor did you ask, as with HisLeast, for a reason why I said what I did. Rather, you responded quite defensively. Do I need to go to Wikipedia or some other source to reference the life changing aspects of The Secret, Oprah or the writings of Ekhart Tolle? Perhaps Dr. Dwayne Dyer? Joel Osteen or others who claim Christ, Oprah included? I'll repeat myself, it's very good God has used the PDL to bring you into a closer relationship with Him. That doesn't mean, however, that the book itself is profitable.

Would you like to self-righteously continue, are you interested in any sort of discussion that doesn't include what appears to be your 'pet attitude'? I know HisLeast is, he specifically asked for the theological problems any of us have with the book. I don't really think I need to have a book myself to know whether or not someone else's book is what it should be.

Are you able to answer my question? How do the demons in The Screwtape Letters decide they are going to help destroy the church? This actually is an important question.


Trying to drag in the screwtape letters is a feeble attemp at derailing the topic at hand which is Rick's book PDL, when members of our go to serve at his church, we see the success first hand and what PDL and his other books have such an impact on the daily walk Christians have with GOD, whereas C.S lewis book screwwtape has nothing to do with, good try though, I would Rep you for attemp alone but I must spread the a bit before I rep you again. So to answer your question Screwtape has nothing to do with PDL, again the sales isn't what I was referring to but it's success in helping others, You get a "A" for trying. :)

Trying to drag in the screwtape letters is a feeble attemp at derailing the topic at hand with is Rick's book PDL, when members of our go to serve at his church, we see the success first hand and what PDL and his other books have such an impact on the daily walk Christians have with GOD, whereas C.S lewis book screwwtape has nothing to do with, good try though, I would Rep you for attemp alone but I must spread the a bit before I rep you again. So to answer your question Screwtape has nothing to do with PDL, again the sales isn't what I was referring to but it's success in helping others, You get a "A" for trying. :)

You are appealing to success - sales or otherwise -as a means of legitimizing the PDL. I am appealing to a certain notion mentioned in The Screwtapes Letter that would have us think twice about such an appeal (one that I think makes sense). Screwtape has quite a lot to do with the PDL, and unless you haven't read the book, I'm pretty sure - unless you've forgotten - that you understand that. Many things, from God and not from God, have had 'success' in helping others. That's not what we focus on. What we focus on is the theological content of the book, something you don't seem to want to talk to me about.

You are appealing to success - sales or otherwise -as a means of legitimizing the PDL. I am appealing to a certain notion mentioned in The Screwtapes Letter that would have us think twice about such an appeal (one that I think makes sense). Screwtape has quite a lot to do with the PDL, and unless you haven't read the book, I'm pretty sure - unless you've forgotten - that you understand that. Many things, from God and not from God, have had 'success' in helping others. That's not what we focus on. What we focus on is the theological content of the book, something you don't seem to want to talk to me about.


Two things stand out most to me about PDL

1. We were born to serve GOD.
2. We were created to spend eternity in heaven with him.

Fogotten? No, great books are never forgotten, weak attempts to discredit them are.

I can say this much, you always give me a good hearty laugh so thank you.

That's good. It's too bad the book should be avoided.

Is there anything about Exl'Naga and the calling out of literary heresy on BibleForums in those opening verses of Ecclesiastes 1?:hmm: There should be.

I don't know why this post struck me as so funny, but honest to God I am tearing up with laughter! :rofl:

Keep up the good work, X...love ya, brother! :lol:

Anybody read The Shack lately? ;):lol:

Two things stand out most to me about PDL

1. We were born to serve GOD.
2. We were created to spend eternity in heaven with him.

Fogotten? No, great books are never forgotten, weak attempts to discredit them are.

Okay good, we'll start talking about content. I don't necessarily dispute that is in the book, however, page references?


Is there anything about XEl'Naga and the calling out of literary heresy on BibleForums in those opening verses of Ecclesiastes 1?:hmm: There should be.

I don't know why this post struck me as so funny, but honest to God I am tearing up with laughter! :rofl:

Keep up the good work, X...love ya, brother! :lol:

Anybody read The Shack lately? ;):lol:

I think there is, something about everything being in vain? I don't know, I call bad teaching, bad teaching (or heresy, heresy) and then I have everyone on my back. I mean, God uses drug addictions to bring people closer to him, doesn't mean we should all go get addicted to drugs...

The Shack: A prayer...

Our Mother,
Who art in The Shack...

Page referrences? even better, again I always get a good laugh :lol:, so again thank you.

Page referrences? even better, again I always get a good laugh :lol:, so again thank you.

I should start a show on A&E: Heresy Hunter... Except that every time I found a heresy, dozen's of Christians would be telling me it's perfectly acceptable.

That's not a personal jab at you Mighty Sword.

I should start a show on A&E: Heresy Hunter... Except that every time I found a heresy, dozen's of Christians would be telling me it's perfectly acceptable.

That's not a personal jab at you Mighty Sword.

No problem, Heresy Hunter?, I'd check it out for sure I can even market it for you. :lol:

No problem, Heresy Hunter?, I'd check it out for sure I can even market it for you. :lol:

I was thinking we could have MyGuyver present it.

Okay good, we'll start talking about content. I don't necessarily dispute that is in the book, however, page references?



I think there is, something about everything being in vain? I don't know, I call bad teaching, bad teaching (or heresy, heresy) and then I have everyone on my back. I mean, God uses drug addictions to bring people closer to him, doesn't mean we should all go get addicted to drugs...

The Shack: A prayer...

Our Mother,
Who art in The Shack...
Don't get me wrong, I know where you are coming from and can't disagree...I think it was the dry 'That's good' teaser that hit my funnybone. Just the way I read it I guess.

Thanks, I've needed a good laugh like that for weeks.:yes:

Don't get me wrong, I know where you are coming from and can't disagree...I think it was the dry 'That's good' teaser that hit my funnybone. Just the way I read it I guess.

Thanks, I've needed a good laugh like that for weeks.:yes:

Oh my gosh, I didn't even realize I said 'That's good' hahaha... Oh dear.

Don't get me wrong, I know where you are coming from and can't disagree...I think it was the dry 'That's good' teaser that hit my funnybone. Just the way I read it I guess.

Thanks, I've needed a good laugh like that for weeks.:yes:


Whenever I come up against X, I know it will be good, he's a good sport. ;)

Whenever I come up against X, I know it will be good, he's a good sport. ;)

Lately I've been practicing my sophism... No wait, I mean uh, philosophy:rolleyes:

Lately I've been practicing my sophism... No wait, I mean uh, philosophy:rolleyes:


It's improving? :hmm:............................:)

Lately I've been practicing my sophism... No wait, I mean uh, philosophy:rolleyes:
Great, now I have to google 'sophism'.(sigh)

Great, now I have to google 'sophism'.(sigh)


I know how you feel, I have to look up philosophy :(

Guys, can I please ask you all to re-read the forum rules for reference?

Part of them that apply here: "Youth are permitted to discuss and fellowship with one another within the confines of a given topic. Members above 25 are allowed to give their input, but their posts must be addressed to the original poster of the thread."

If you're over 25, feel free to post, but please only respond to the OP. If you're under 25.... have at it.

I won't bother with deleting responses, and whatnot, as long as the rest of this thread does get back on track! You know how old you are..... have fun. :)

I'm reading that now and I love it!

I wasn't sure where to post this but I thought it was really cool and wanted to share. Are a lot of you fans of Carrie Underwood? When Jesus, Take the Wheel came out... I was really moved. I love when artists use the advantages of being a mainstream superstar to share Jesus with people. Her newest song "Temporary Home" just came out and man... it's incredible. The song talks about three different stories, each giving the chorus a different meaning. The song follows a foster child and a single mom in a halfway house while they say that they know that this home is only temporary. It ends with an old man dying in a hospital bed, saying that he's seen God and that his life here on earth is only temporary. Carrie said that she was inspired by The Purpose Driven Life by Rick Warren. I know that many of you have probably read the book so I wanted to give you the chance to check out this article... it's really nice.

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-23336-Country-Girls-Examiner~y2009m10d20-The-Purpose-Driven-Life-the-book-behind-Carrie-Underwoods-Temporary-Home (http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-23336-Country-Girls-Examiner%7Ey2009m10d20-The-Purpose-Driven-Life-the-book-behind-Carrie-Underwoods-Temporary-Home)


I loved the book and went through it together with a new believer. I was absolutely blessed by the Holy Spirit when I read the chapter on worship.

The book actually inspired a new christian who was an ex-muslim. So I have heard of the book and it is a bestseller here in my country. In fact many muslims were moved to start seeking the truth about Christianity after reading it.

I love the song by Carrie Underwood. Its good that we sing to His glory.