... that made me scratch my head -

Does anyone here know what Scientology teaches/believes? If what I heard was correct, it sounds more like a Jules Verne flight of imagination than a belief system.

Thanks in advance to any who answer.
V

From what I've read, Scientology is partially based on Thelema (the religion co-invented by Aleister Crowley and his wife). L. Ron Hubbard was reportedly a Thelemite.

Scientology could be described as Gnostic, which covers a very wide range of belief systems.

L. Ron Hubbard probably just made up a lot of stuff in Scientology himself.

Many people claim that L. Ron Hubbard didn't himself believe in Scientology (though some say he may have believed in PARTS of it- just not the WHOLE religion). I suspect that he did believe in Thelema.

Los Angeles-based Church of Scientology, was founded in 1953 or 1954 by the late science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard. It has been active for decades in Europe, but has struggled to gain status as a religion. It is considered a sect in France and has faced prosecution and difficulties in registering its activities in many countries.

One must have plenty of money to become a student of Scientology. They charge huge sums for their teachings!

The 'Church' of Scientology teaches that technology can expand the mind and help solve problems. It claims 10 million members around the world, including celebrity devotees Tom Cruise and John Travolta.

Belgium, Germany and other European countries have labeled Scientology as a cult or sect and various countries around the world have enacted laws to restrict its operations.
I offer that it is a cult, but a Science Fiction one. Here is the latest on the cult of Scientology, in the headlines TODAY!

Church of Scientology convicted of fraud in France - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091027/ap_on_re_eu/eu_france_scientology)Oct 27, 2009 ... A Paris court convicted the Church of Scientology of fraud and fined it more than euro600,000 ($900,000) on Tuesday


To see more of what they teach and believe, there are many sites. Do a search of What Scientology Teaches, for example. Here is one site that pretty well describes some main points:

Is Scientology Christian or a cult? (http://www.gotquestions.org/scientology-Christian-cult.html)Scientology teaches that mankind is an immortal being (called a Thetan) not originally from this planet, and that man is trapped by matter, energy, space, ...Hope this helps.

(As a PS, I felt so sorry for John Travolta when his young son died. All he had was his Scientology, not Jesus Christ, our Comforter, our Rock, our very present help in trouble...Some say his Scientology beliefs could have caused them to stop giving the boy his needed medications. I can't say that, because I don't know if he was still taking the anti-seizure medicines or not. But is was sad that he did not have the same hope we have when his young son died suddenly.)

Why it's all just persecution by the psychiatrists and psychologists, of course. (Perhaps the intended sarcasm in that didn't come across in the typing...)

The hostility towards psychiatry and psychology is supposed to be one of the elements derived from Aleister Crowley's teachings.

most of their beliefs are shrouded in secrecy. martin bashir interviewed their PR person on Nightline just last week and when bashir pressed him on the church's beliefs about Xenu, he ripped off his mike and walked out. you can probably find the video on youtube.

scientology has it's roots in black magic, as did lrh. lrh was into some pretty dark stuff. before he started the 'church', he was a failed writer and businessman and it's reported that he once said 'i'm going to start a religion..that's where the money is.'

if you want to read a real eye-opener, you should google and read the interview his son lrh, jr gave back in the early 80's. some of the stuff he alleges is downright satanic but the material is rather graphic so read at your own risk. it does shed some light on the inner workings of the church though, lrh jr was a defect of the church at the time and by talking to this reporter, he was doing something that most scientology defects are terrified to do.

the lisa macpherson incident also sheds some light.

Why it's all just persecution by the psychiatrists and psychologists, of course. (Perhaps the intended sarcasm in that didn't come across in the typing...)

The hostility towards psychiatry and psychology is supposed to be one of the elements derived from Aleister Crowley's teachings.from what i understand, lrh hated psychiatrists and psychologists because a few psychiatrists were able to scientifically debunk the notorious e-meter he used in his auditing sessions and they went public with these findings. being the spiteful, venegeful sue-happy fraud that he was, he condemned the entire mental health field for it.

from what i understand, lrh hated psychiatrists and psychologists because a few psychiatrists were able to scientifically debunk the notorious e-meter he used in his auditing sessions and they went public with these findings. being the spiteful, venegeful sue-happy fraud that he was, he condemned the entire mental health field for it.

I've also heard that Aleister Crowley was also openly hostile towards psychiatrists and psychologists.

I've read Battlefield Earth and the Mission Earth series and they are blatant Scientology propaganda.

I personally think Scientology is a money-making scheme of epic proportions when you drill it all down. L. Ron Hubbard to my view was a class A salesman who would do extremely well with pyramid schemes today. :rolleyes:

I'm really saddened by what's happening to John Travolta. Seems to me that his religion is doing nothing to help him with the grief over the loss of his son. Contrast that with Steven Curtis Chapman losing his daughter, you can plainly see which faith is real and who is being sustained by what during what would arguably be the most difficult thing to deal with for any parent alive.

I personally think Scientology is a money-making scheme of epic proportions when you drill it all down. L. Ron Hubbard to my view was a class A salesman who would do extremely well with pyramid schemes today. :rolleyes:



Yes, Dani, it is a money making 'religion' that scams gullible, rich people out of their money. And remember, it was only founded in 1953 or 1954! It is all, ALL, based on SCIENCE FICTION!" How people can get caught up in it, I don't understand.

They are also dangerous, because they claim that sin is an illusion of the mind, and that sickness is an illusion also!

But the amounts of money it costs for their teaching material would be more than any of us on this board could or would pay! For what? A bunch of SCIENCE FICTION! Besides John Travolta, Tom Cruise and other well known actors and actresses are caught up in it too!

Yes, Dani, it is a money making 'religion' that scams gullible, rich people out of their money. And remember, it was only founded in 1953 or 1954! It is all, ALL, based on SCIENCE FICTION!" How people can get caught up in it, I don't understand.

They are also dangerous, because they claim that sin is an illusion of the mind, and that sickness is an illusion also!

But the amounts of money it costs for their teaching material would be more than any of us on this board could or would pay! For what? A bunch of SCIENCE FICTION! Besides John Travolta, Tom Cruise and other well known actors and actresses are caught up in it too!


Actually, no, it isn't ALL based on science fiction, though a huge proportion of it is.

Thanks everyone for the replies. It does indeed sound like a huge ponzi scheme to me. Some of the things I read and heard were incredible. My husband actually asked m what I was reading because apparently I would say, "You gotta be kiddin' me!" out loud.

Reportedly, Aleister Crowley warned Jack Parsons not to get involved with L. Ron Hubbard.

Reportedly, later Jack Parsons wished he'd listened to Aleister Crowley.

from what i understand, lrh hated psychiatrists and psychologists because a few psychiatrists were able to scientifically debunk the notorious e-meter he used in his auditing sessions and they went public with these findings. being the spiteful, venegeful sue-happy fraud that he was, he condemned the entire mental health field for it.

Not to mention psychiatrists and psychologists would provide a much cheaper alternative to Scientology's courses and auditing.

Mind you, Christendom doesn't have a much warmer attitude about it than Scientology, so one is warned before calling the kettle black.

I was listening to an interview with a girl who was raised in the church of scientology, and she went on about the abuse and the weird punishments they would use, and that it was all about mind control.

Apparently she was taught that Christianity was a belief system that was implanted in the minds of human beings in order to control them...that there was no Jesus.

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/b/b6/Thehistoryofscientology.gif

This might be helpful!

... that made me scratch my head -

Does anyone here know what Scientology teaches/believes? If what I heard was correct, it sounds more like a Jules Verne flight of imagination than a belief system.

Thanks in advance to any who answer.
V
L Ron Hubbard was a sci-fi writer.

Did he ever actually say 'Look, writing for nickels isn't where the money's at. You'd make a lot more money inventing a religion!'

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/scientology/start.a.religion.html

So.... yeah.

Thanks, decrumpit

Unbelievable!!!

Man, there must be something Satanic going on if people actually believe THAT!!!!! What other explanation could there be?

Thanks, decrumpit

Unbelievable!!!

Man, there must be something Satanic going on if people actually believe THAT!!!!! What other explanation could there be?

I don't think Satan is a pre-requisite for gullibility and stupidity.

I don't think Satan is a pre-requisite for gullibility and stupidity.


I suppose so...but that doesn't mean that it's not Satanic.

I find it interesting how John Travolta credits his Hollywood success to scientology. No doubt that's why so many actors get into it. You don't believe that Satan can somehow make them successful in order to suck them in?

It's the proverbial selling your soul to Satan for fame and fortune.

Unless one is a believer, Satan already has effective control over their soul, so he would be getting a pretty bad deal....

Although the guitar picker for the Soggy Bottom Boys did sell his soul to the devil in order to pick this hear geetar.

It's the proverbial selling your soul to Satan for fame and fortune.

Why do you think there is a dead at 27 club ;)

I'm not surprised to learn that Hubbard was a disciple of Aleister Crowley. I recently learned that Timothy Leary, and Alfred Kinsey, were also disciples.

After tens of thousands of dollars and months of religious indoctrination, two local businessmen were formally awarded Scientology's hidden Mantra, which amounted to nothing more than a recounting of the legend of Xenu,* the god who ruled this sector of the universe some 75,000,000 years ago.

*As cited by decrumpet, and PrayerInMemphis.

They seemed somewhat disappointed.

After tens of thousands of dollars and months of religious indoctrination, two local businessmen were formally awarded Scientology's hidden Mantra, which amounted to nothing more than a recounting of the legend of Xenu,* the god who ruled this sector of the universe some 75,000,000 years ago.

*As cited by decrumpet, and PrayerInMemphis.

They seemed somewhat disappointed.

Gee, ya think?! LOL

:rofl: Oh, they created a bit of a stir. Much publicized at the time.

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