I will never understand this tradition. Is there proof of information in the bible that states priests can't get married?

I will never understand this tradition. Is there proof of information in the bible that states priests can't get married?

It is immoral in the event that celibacy - short of it being a spiritual "gift" - causes one to lust and / or engaging in sinful behavior. If, however, one chooses to be a priest and in full knowledge, celibate. And they can live that life. There is nothing sinful about that.

I will never understand this tradition. Is there proof of information in the bible that states priests can't get married?

Yeah, cults are always making up their own rules, that's why they're called cults.

I am fairly certain they base it on this:
I Corinthians 7
7 - Yet I wish that all men were even as I myself am However, each man has his own gift from God, one in this manner, and another in that.

8 - But I say to the unmarried and to widows that it is good for them if they remain even as I.

Well that is one of their traditions. So if you want to become a Catholic priest you will have to submit to that rule. We had a big case here in Miami where a priest was caught with a woman on the beach. He ended up having to leave the Catholic church. They got married, and he now ministers in a Episcopal church.

I will never understand this tradition. Is there proof of information in the bible that states priests can't get married?

What always boggles me is that their "first" "pope" was Peter. Who we know was married. Jesus healed his mother in law.

1 Corinthians 7:9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

And they have had their share of "not containing" and "burning"

Yeah I don't think it's a good idea to deprive a man of his most powerful desire. But that's just me.

1 Corinthians 7:9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

And they have had their share of "not containing" and "burning"
I'm not disagreeing with you at all.

In the Dark Ages, many priests of the Catholic Church were not only illiterate and therefore unable to read scripture for themselves, they were openly living with women and having families.

I'm not disagreeing with you at all.

In the Dark Ages, many priests of the Catholic Church were not only illiterate and therefore unable to read scripture for themselves, they were openly living with women and having families.

Seeking made a good point:


-SEEKING-
Yeah I don't think it's a good idea to deprive a man of his most powerful desire. But that's just me.

Yet they still don't realize it's not working, by paying out settlements in the millions.

This is the scripture that jumps out at me so would I use the word immoral concerning not to marry... no. Deceived, yeah... I'd say that based on scripture.

1 Tim 4:1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.

This is the scripture that jumps out at me so would I use the word immoral concerning not to marry... no. Deceived, yeah... I'd say that based on scripture.

1 Tim 4:1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.

Awesome post Slug1 and as Christians we aknowledge this, but Catholics don't and won't due to traditional sacrifice which unfortunetly doesn't work, although the spirit is willing, the flesh is weak, oh so weak.

Seeking made a good point:

I'm in shock. :o :o :o

Yeah, cults are always making up their own rules, that's why they're called cults.

http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/images/toilet.jpg

That gurgling liquid cyclonic sound everyone hears is the sound of rational dialog going away.

I'm in shock. :o :o :o

I see this thread got controversial real quick, I just can't understand it ;)

http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/images/toilet.jpg

That gurgling liquid cyclonic sound everyone hears is the sound of rational dialog going away.

I'm listening, still listening and yet still listening, no I don't hear it, sorry maybe next time???

http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/images/toilet.jpg

That gurgling liquid cyclonic sound everyone hears is the sound of rational dialog going away.

Dude! :rofl: That is hilarious. I'm gonna have to keep this for future reference. :lol:

Before anyone goes balistic. This a paper topic for one of my college courses called Christian Morality. I just would like to hear some input from others.

Priests can be married in the eastern orthodox denomination, why not the Catholic? There are people that enter into the priest hood knowing full well, they will live a life of celibancy and be 100% devouted to God and Christ, and they will be perfectly fine with that life. Growing up priests in the catholic faith always instilled the beauty of family and to have love and respect for each other. How can someone truly take some advice from a Priest about family or raising a family when they have no clue about it?

I also feel allowing priest to marry will maybe solve some of the sexual scandal that runs rampant in the Catholic faith, grant it, its mostly homosexual relations going on, but that is a whole another topic to allow gay marriage for priests.

Churches can have whatever rules they want for their minister to follow. It is shown by Tradition and by Paul that it is better for ministers to be single so that they can devote themselves fully to the church. I know some churches don't allow people who have had divorces or have been divorced and re-married to be ministers or pastors. It is the same for being a Roman Catholic priest they go into it knowing full well that they cannot be in a relationship and cannot be married. It is also not like some Protestant churches where if someone thinks they are called to be a minister or pastor they can tell a pastor and within a few weeks or months they are preaching or have enrolled in seminary. For the Roman Catholics it literally takes years to become a priest. The person wanting to become a priest must also show a tendency towards ministry and then they have several years before they have to take life vows at certain points in their discernment process. If a person does not believe they can fulfill their vows then they can end the process at any point up until they are ordained a minister.

Before anyone goes balistic. This a paper topic for one of my college courses called Christian Morality. I just would like to hear some input from others.

Priests can be married in the eastern orthodox denomination, why not the Catholic? There are people that enter into the priest hood knowing full well, they will live a life of celibancy and be 100% devouted to God and Christ, and they will be perfectly fine with that life. Growing up priests in the catholic faith always instilled the beauty of family and to have love and respect for each other. How can someone truly take some advice from a Priest about family or raising a family when they have no clue about it?

I also feel allowing priest to marry will maybe solve some of the sexual scandal that runs rampant in the Catholic faith, grant it, its mostly homosexual relations going on, but that is a whole another topic to allow gay marriage for priests.


Priests can be married in the eastern orthodox denomination, why not the Catholic?

I think it can best be aswered with one word:

Control.

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Churches can have whatever rules they want for their minister to follow. It is shown by Tradition and by Paul that it is better for ministers to be single so that they can devote themselves fully to the church. I know some churches don't allow people who have had divorces or have been divorced and re-married to be ministers or pastors. It is the same for being a Roman Catholic priest they go into it knowing full well that they cannot be in a relationship and cannot be married. It is also not like some Protestant churches where if someone thinks they are called to be a minister or pastor they can tell a pastor and within a few weeks or months they are preaching or have enrolled in seminary. For the Roman Catholics it literally takes years to become a priest. The person wanting to become a priest must also show a tendency towards ministry and then they have several years before they have to take life vows at certain points in their discernment process. If a person does not believe they can fulfill their vows then they can end the process at any point up until they are ordained a minister.

Hi Uriel,

I believe in the begining the catholic preist heart is in the right place, but as the years go on how does a man, because he is a man, not succumb to what he is natuarly wired to do and that is procreate, and with being ssaid the rcc needs to make some changes which btw is okay, because under these circumstances change is good and who knows they might even have happy priests.

Before anyone goes balistic. This a paper topic for one of my college courses called Christian Morality. I just would like to hear some input from others.

Priests can be married in the eastern orthodox denomination, why not the Catholic? There are people that enter into the priest hood knowing full well, they will live a life of celibancy and be 100% devouted to God and Christ, and they will be perfectly fine with that life. Growing up priests in the catholic faith always instilled the beauty of family and to have love and respect for each other. How can someone truly take some advice from a Priest about family or raising a family when they have no clue about it?

I also feel allowing priest to marry will maybe solve some of the sexual scandal that runs rampant in the Catholic faith, grant it, its mostly homosexual relations going on, but that is a whole another topic to allow gay marriage for priests.

Let me just point out that the largest problem in the Roman Catholic church and sexual scandal is pedophila. Which would not and cannot be sloved with allowing priests to marry. It has nothing to do with not having sex it is an attraction to children, that is psychological in nature, not a lacking in sexual gratification. Allowing priests to marry would not stop or solve the problem it is a problem in every country and in every faith. Protestant ministers have as much of a problem as the Romans do. Also let me share with you all a fact, do you know what purchase goes up the most in hotels when certain church conventions are in town, I can't nor do I want to single out one protestant church. It is pornographic material, mainly pay-per-view movies of an adult nature in the hotel room. So really we protestants have as much of a problem as the Romans do it is really easy to point fingers but we must remember to take the plank out of our own eye before we take the spec out of our neighbor's eye.

Hi OLC,

I believe in the begining the catholic preist heart is in the right place, but as the years go on how does a man, because he is a man, not succumb to what he is natuarly wired to do and that is procreate, and with being ssaid the rcc needs to make some changes which btw is okay, because under these circumstances change is good and who knows they might even have happy priests.

How does one not succumb to what is natural and wired into their mind is to no longer have the mind of a man but to have the mind of Christ. That is how we reseist our natural urges. My natural urge is when someone wrongs me I want to get even or to get something from them to be made right or compensated in someway. Yet because I follow Christ and try to be like him I let go of my natural urge and forgive and move on, sometimes even bless the one that wrongs me. The same can be said about a catholic priest who follows Christ.

Also in the EO church bishops cannot be married, only the priests. So the leadership is still celibate and focusing only on the church.

How does one not succumb to what is natural and wired into their mind is to no longer have the mind of a man but to have the mind of Christ. That is how we reseist our natural urges. My natural urge is when someone wrongs me I want to get even or to get something from them to be made right or compensated in someway. Yet because I follow Christ and try to be like him I let go of my natural urge and forgive and move on, sometimes even bless the one that wrongs me. The same can be said about a catholic priest who follows Christ.

Also in the EO church bishops cannot be married, only the priests. So the leadership is still celibate and focusing only on the church.

The only answer I have for you is " I guess some preists don't have the mind of Christ" do they???

Let me just point out that the largest problem in the Roman Catholic church and sexual scandal is pedophila. Which would not and cannot be sloved with allowing priests to marry. It has nothing to do with not having sex it is an attraction to children, that is psychological in nature, not a lacking in sexual gratification. Allowing priests to marry would not stop or solve the problem it is a problem in every country and in every faith. Protestant ministers have as much of a problem as the Romans do. Also let me share with you all a fact, do you know what purchase goes up the most in hotels when certain church conventions are in town, I can't nor do I want to single out one protestant church. It is pornographic material, mainly pay-per-view movies of an adult nature in the hotel room. So really we protestants have as much of a problem as the Romans do it is really easy to point fingers but we must remember to take the plank out of our own eye before we take the spec out of our neighbor's eye.

Great point, pedophila is the biggest problem I agree.

The only answer I have for you is " I guess some preists don't have the mind of Christ" do they???

Neither do some Protestant ministers. But we don't bash the whole movement become of some ministers don't have the mind of Christ and don't follow the vows that they made when they became a minister. However, many on this board and Protestants in general bash the Roman Catholic Church because they mess up without knowing how many of their denominations ministers have been accused and convicted of the same thing.

Mortal man or Priests will never have the mind of christ, nor does Christ expect that in man, or women. That is why Christ mingled with the regular folks, prostitues, drunkards, gamblers, etc. He shuned the rich and wealthy, and basically was know as an outcast.

This is why I can relate to Christ, he was the Son of God but showed his human side. He was showing us, that we as humans, to never try to be Christ like, it can never happen.

Wait wait... "never try to be Christ like"?

Mortal man or Priests will never have the mind of christ, nor does Christ expect that in man, or women. That is why Christ mingled with the regular folks, prostitues, drunkards, gamblers, etc. He shuned the rich and wealthy, and basically was know as an outcast.

This is why I can relate to Christ, he was the Son of God but showed his human side. He was showing us, that we as humans, to never try to be Christ like, it can never happen.

Wow, really because St Paul says we have the mind of Christ.

I think it can best be aswered with one word:

Control.

Is it possible that perhaps the Roman Catholic Church simply has a different standard than the Eastern Orthodox? Those of us who are married know that for the marriage to work, the marriage always comes first. That goes double when children arrive. The family unit is the indivisble final bastion that must not be sacrificed for the purpose of career or passion. The RCC's view is that the Priest, for lack of a better word, is "married" to the kingdom of God. To have a family besides that is a conflict of interest because there will always be one thing that the Priest will have to attend to before the kingdom. I happen to think the RCC is mistaken in this policy and does more harm by enforcing celibacy rather than encouraging it. But neither do I just assume its control for control's sake. Though I can see how that would be the first and only possibility available to those who hate Catholics.

Yes he did say that, and we should have the mind of christ. I guess what I am trying to say is, that Christ doesn't expect us to be completely like him, which is sinless and immortal. Sorry I am going off on a path that has no relation to the topic.

Neither do some Protestant ministers. But we don't bash the whole movement become of some ministers don't have the mind of Christ and don't follow the vows that they made when they became a minister. However, many on this board and Protestants in general bash the Roman Catholic Church because they mess up without knowing how many of their denominations ministers have been accused and convicted of the same thing.

For the 150th time I'm not Protestest I wouldn't know anything about that, so your comment doesn't bug me, unfortunetly the op question was direct towards catholic morals or lack thereof, but if you feel compelled to bring in the Protestant issue, create a new thread and ask your questions.

Is it possible that perhaps the Roman Catholic Church simply has a different standard than the Eastern Orthodox? Those of us who are married know that for the marriage to work, the marriage always comes first. That goes double when children arrive. The family unit is the indivisble final bastion that must not be sacrificed for the purpose of career or passion. The RCC's view is that the Priest, for lack of a better word, is "married" to the kingdom of God. To have a family besides that is a conflict of interest because there will always be one thing that the Priest will have to attend to before the kingdom. I happen to think the RCC is mistaken in this policy and does more harm by enforcing celibacy rather than encouraging it. But neither do I just assume its control for control's sake. Though I can see how that would be the first and only possibility available to those who hate Catholics.


Is it possible that perhaps the Roman Catholic Church simply has a different standard than the Eastern Orthodox?

Absolutely.


Though I can see how that would be the first and only possibility available to those who hate Catholics.

Those like me don't hate catholics. We hate evil. Nice attempt at planting seeds of negativity.

Your post started off good then towards the end quickly went awry.

Those like me don't hate catholics. We hate evil. Nice attempt at planting seeds of negativity.

Your post started off good then towards the end quickly went awry.

Consider your opening barrage to this thread before you deign to lecture me.

Catholics are predisposed to guilt. They have a sense that everything must be paid for by punishment. They are taught early in life to suffer. Catholics are never allowed to think that they are saved and assured of heaven. Gods grace is secondary to the sacraments. Struggle and self sacrifice is essential to earning salvation although it can never be attained. The goal is always just beyond ones reach.

Celibacy fits perfectly in a mode of ritual worship that rewards self sacrifice on the part of the participating parties. Not only do the preists not marry the nuns do not marry as well. Celibacy is for public recognition as a symbol of holiness and separation unto God. Celibacy is a means of creating a heirachy within the church. Those who are celibate are made superior to those who are not. This creates a separation between the laity and the Lord that the preist fills as a mediator. The more distant Jesus is from the people in the pews the more important the preist and the "saints" become in bridging the gap and aiding the unwashed masses in reaching heaven after a reasonable time in prugatory.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Consider your opening barrage to this thread before you deign to lecture me.


Stating the obvious isn't a lecture, as if I could ever lecture you.

Stating the obvious isn't a lecture, as if I could ever lecture you.
You whine about seeds of negativity, but what was the first thing you contributed to the thread TMS? Not an answer to the OP, but just capitalizing as always on an opportunity to flex your Catholic hatred muscles. Perhaps that contribution has now reaped what it's sown?

In the immortal words of that great philosopher of our time;

"Can't we all just get along?"

-Rodney King

You whine about seeds of negativity, but what was the first thing you contributed to the thread TMS? Not an answer to the OP, but just capitalizing as always on an opportunity to flex your Catholic hatred muscles. Perhaps that contribution has now reaped what it's sown?

His, the only whinning is you, anytime someone says the word catholics you try to come to their rescue as if you could and I know your personal reasons behind the defense and I don't blame you, so rather than insult you anymore, if I did I apologize.

In the immortal words of that great philosopher of our time;

"Can't we all just get along?"

-Rodney King



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