During Easter dinner at the in-laws I was informed that the roman catholic church where my wife grew up was being replaced with a new and larger edifice. The in-laws were very excited about this event since it occurs so infrequently. During the conversation it was disclosed that they were wondering about the bones for the new church. Apparently every catholic church claims to have some of the bones of Jesus in the altar.

I find it difficult to believe that roman catholics would believe that they have the bones of Jesus in their churches. The bible teaches that Jesus rose from the dead bodily. The tomb was empty. No bones of Jesus in the empty tomb.

I do not want to make fun of family but this just seems beyond the pale.

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Roger

Roger
You surprise me. Certainly you jest? You know the answer to this question!

Never, and I thought I had heard it all... :o

It does seem beyond belief.

Firstly, as you say, the Bible says that at the resurrection the body was gone and that the linen cloths were left behind. How anyone could get bones from that is unclear. The Bible also tells us that Jesus was taken up into heaven and makes no mention of bones left behind.

Secondly, even if we were to accept that Jesus had died a second time and his bones were therefore left behind (let's assume for now that such acceptance didn't throw the whole divinity of Jesus into question) there are only so many bones to be shared around. If every catholic church were to have even one bone then as soon as they got to 206 churches they'd run out of bones. Unless they were to break bones into little pieces to share them out further, but frankly breaking up the bones of Jesus like that becomes even more absurd than the assumptions to get that far.

What I do know that in most older European churches, the priests and cardinals and such as usually buried in the crypts of the churches. It's an honored place where nobles and their families have been buried also. I once visited such a church in Sicily and it was very unsettling. Most of the bodies were propped upright and had desiccated in the colder dryer air. You could see their faces and they had their hair intact and wore the clothing of the times in which they died.

During Easter dinner at the in-laws I was informed that the roman catholic church where my wife grew up was being replaced with a new and larger edifice. The in-laws were very excited about this event since it occurs so infrequently. During the conversation it was disclosed that they were wondering about the bones for the new church. Apparently every catholic church claims to have some of the bones of Jesus in the altar.

I find it difficult to believe that roman catholics would believe that they have the bones of Jesus in their churches. The bible teaches that Jesus rose from the dead bodily. The tomb was empty. No bones of Jesus in the empty tomb.

I do not want to make fun of family but this just seems beyond the pale.

For the cause of Christ
Roger


Concerning the rcc, it's one bad joke after another, V, help. :lol:

Apparently every catholic church claims to have some of the bones of Jesus in the altar.I highly doubt it...

Roger
You surprise me. Certainly you jest? You know the answer to this question!
Suprized that I sup with catholics? I was not a Christian when I married my wife. I was talking to the older generation of the family and reflecting on how church has changed in the last fifty years.

I continue to be amazed at the ability of roman catholics to believe the unbelievable. They have a long history of venerating objects but I found this one to be exceptional even for roman catholic tradition.

It defies logic and contradicts scripture yet it is still taught till this day.

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Roger

What I do know that in most older European churches, the priests and cardinals and such as usually buried in the crypts of the churches. It's an honored place where nobles and their families have been buried also. I once visited such a church in Sicily and it was very unsettling. Most of the bodies were propped upright and had desiccated in the colder dryer air. You could see their faces and they had their hair intact and wore the clothing of the times in which they died.
Jesus dealt with a man possesed by legion who lived in the graveyard. The irony of this should not be lost. The vatican has a ton of bones in storage. Are they somewhat preoccupied with dead bodies?

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Roger

No. I am surprised that you didn't defend what you know to be true to the extent you do here on the forum. Don't be ashamed of the gospel truth friend

No. I am surprised that you didn't defend what you know to be true to the extent you do here on the forum. Don't be ashamed of the gospel truth friend
Experience has taught me that discussing the obvious errors of roman catholic traditions is far less effective than lifting up the Lord Jesus and His perfect work on Calvary.

When they get all spooked out it is my delight to tell them of the peace that comes from trusting in the finished work of Christ. It is peace that they seek and rome cannot provide. For thirty years I have given them the gospel and they know it as well as you or I but only God can change their hearts to believe and receive. Religious people are often the most resistant to Gods word both here in the forum and in the home.

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Roger

Experience has taught me that discussing the obvious errors of roman catholic traditions....

But bones of Jesus have nothing to do with traditions at all. That's just lack of knowledge. They believe Jesus rose from the dead, how could they possibly believe that he left some bones behind. Even a non believer would know that's common sense.

But bones of Jesus have nothing to do with traditions at all. That's just lack of knowledge. They believe Jesus rose from the dead, how could they possibly believe that he left some bones behind. Even a non believer would know that's common sense.
Well if you had been trained from birth like most roman catholics that whatever the church says is so you would understand. They are taught that the bread and the cup are transformed into the actual body and blood of Christ so why is it so hard to believe that some bones are transformed into the bones of Jesus?

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Roger

Well my parents are faithful Catholics and although they somewhat accept the whole transubstantiation issue, the bones of a risen person, no way.

I've never heard of this before, but I am very interested to know if this is a widely-held belief in the RCC, or if someone was getting their wires crossed a bit. Easy enough to do with all the superstitions they adopt. How do you keep the sanctity of one thing that people come up with seperate from the non-sanctity of somthing else people come up with?

Confusing.

Well my parents are faithful Catholics and although they somewhat accept the whole transubstantiation issue, the bones of a risen person, no way.
A lot of the people from this area are of central European ancestry and are know for their well developed personalities. I have long said that you can always tell a German but you cannot tell him much. Well when it comes to Croatian personalities they make us Germans seem downright malleable.

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Roger

During Easter dinner at the in-laws I was informed that the roman catholic church where my wife grew up was being replaced with a new and larger edifice. The in-laws were very excited about this event since it occurs so infrequently. During the conversation it was disclosed that they were wondering about the bones for the new church. Apparently every catholic church claims to have some of the bones of Jesus in the altar.

I find it difficult to believe that roman catholics would believe that they have the bones of Jesus in their churches. The bible teaches that Jesus rose from the dead bodily. The tomb was empty. No bones of Jesus in the empty tomb.

I do not want to make fun of family but this just seems beyond the pale.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I think your relatives are messing with you.

I think your relatives are messing with you.
First of all they are not so inclined. Secondly my wife confirmed what they were saying. My wife knows the Lord and would not be party to any such activity.

There was genuine excitement in their desire to attend the dedication of the new church building. Don't know if they will take the old bones to the new church or get new bones for the new church. I doubt they will invite me to attend.

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Roger

First of all they are not so inclined. Secondly my wife confirmed what they were saying. My wife knows the Lord and would not be party to any such activity.

There was genuine excitement in their desire to attend the dedication of the new church building. Don't know if they will take the old bones to the new church or get new bones for the new church. I doubt they will invite me to attend.

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Roger
Where are they going to get new "Jesus bones" from?

Where are they going to get new "Jesus bones" from?

They are too new to know as of yet.

First of all they are not so inclined. Secondly my wife confirmed what they were saying. My wife knows the Lord and would not be party to any such activity.

There was genuine excitement in their desire to attend the dedication of the new church building. Don't know if they will take the old bones to the new church or get new bones for the new church. I doubt they will invite me to attend.

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Roger
Seriously.
I do not know any Catholics that believe Jesus is dead. I know some ultra liberal Catholics, but I do not know any that believe Jesus is dead.
They have all kind of sacred "relics" in the Catholic church, but I have NEVER heard of "Jesus Bones."

Where are they going to get new "Jesus bones" from?
Secret vault in vatican city?? Tom Hanks is there now gathering the required sample.

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Roger

Seriously.
I do not know any Catholics that believe Jesus is dead. I know some ultra liberal Catholics, but I do not know any that believe Jesus is dead.
They have all kind of sacred "relics" in the Catholic church, but I have NEVER heard of "Jesus Bones."

ultra liberal Catholics??? sounds political :lol:

ultra liberal Catholics??? sounds political :lol:

I hope not. It is can't be political week.:lol:

Let me clarify. Liberal on Doctrine. Where they stand on politics is not relavent for this issue.:spin:

Seriously.
I do not know any Catholics that believe Jesus is dead. I know some ultra liberal Catholics, but I do not know any that believe Jesus is dead.
They have all kind of sacred "relics" in the Catholic church, but I have NEVER heard of "Jesus Bones."
There is no conflict if you do not believe in a bodily resurrection. Christians believe in an empty tomb but it is taught that the Lords body was secreted away.

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Roger

Secret vault in vatican city?? Tom Hanks is there now gathering the required sample.

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Roger

I think the problem is that The Pope and all the Cardinals are staunch believers that Jesus rose from the Dead.
In all seriousness, I just can not believe your family is serious. You know them better than I, but either they are messing with you or someone is messing with them.

There is no conflict if you do not believe in a bodily resurrection. Christians believe in an empty tomb but it is taught that the Lords body was secreted away.

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Roger
The Roman Catholic church officially believes in The bodily resurrection.

I hope not. It is can't be political week.:lol:

Let me clarify. Liberal on Doctrine. Where they stand on politics is not relavent for this issue.:spin:


Liberal on doctrine???? I didn't think they had a doctrine, just paganism, boy was I wrong. So where can I see the "bones"???

During Easter dinner at the in-laws I was informed that the roman catholic church where my wife grew up was being replaced with a new and larger edifice. The in-laws were very excited about this event since it occurs so infrequently. During the conversation it was disclosed that they were wondering about the bones for the new church. Apparently every catholic church claims to have some of the bones of Jesus in the altar.

I find it difficult to believe that roman catholics would believe that they have the bones of Jesus in their churches. The bible teaches that Jesus rose from the dead bodily. The tomb was empty. No bones of Jesus in the empty tomb.

I do not want to make fun of family but this just seems beyond the pale.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

They are 1000 percent wrong. Each RC Church has a thing from a saint, be it a bone a hanky, anything the saint had. The Catholic Church also teaches Christ rose so no bones, theses people while sincere are completely wrong.

They are 1000 percent wrong. Each RC Church has a thing from a saint, be it a bone a hanky, anything the saint had. The Catholic Church also teaches Christ rose so no bones, theses people while sincere are completely wrong.
That would be much more believeable but still idol worship. They are indoctrinated into church tradition at the expense of biblical teaching.

Guess I'll have to search the catholic information sites to see what they have written on the subject.

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Roger

Uh.... They have to be messing with you.

The bones of the living are not among the dead!

I do not want to make fun of family but this just seems beyond the pale.

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RogerOffering scripture of the truth and correcting the lie that they are believing isn't making fun of them.

My wife's family is all Catholic... this specific topic is new to me but despite that, when a Catholic doctrine misconception is presented in discussion all I do is present the truth from scripture and pray for them.