I was listening to a Leornard Ravenhill sermon, and he brought up an interesting point. Elijah, the great prophet is not mentioned in Hebrews 11. Hebrews 11 is about faith, and goes into detail of the great people who had deep faith.

Mr. Ravenhill said how Moses shouldn't be mentioned in Hebrew 11 because he was a murderer.

I was listening to a Leornard Ravenhill sermon, and he brought up an interesting point. Elijah, the great prophet is not mentioned in Hebrews 11. Hebrews 11 is about faith, and goes into detail of the great people who had deep faith.

Mr. Ravenhill said how Moses shouldn't be mentioned in Hebrew 11 because he was a murderer.What's his point?

So King David was a murderer and an adulterer also...

Rahab was a prostitute... and?

Even though Paul isn't mentioned... he was pretty much a knucklehead also... before God gave him purpose.

I was listening to a Leornard Ravenhill sermon, and he brought up an interesting point. Elijah, the great prophet is not mentioned in Hebrews 11. Hebrews 11 is about faith, and goes into detail of the great people who had deep faith.

Mr. Ravenhill said how Moses shouldn't be mentioned in Hebrew 11 because he was a murderer.

So Mr. Ravenhill is saying the book of Hebrews is wrong?

Elijah isn't named but could be included in 11:32 "prophets", and 11:38, (Of whom the world was not worthy, they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.

I was listening to a Leornard Ravenhill sermon, and he brought up an interesting point. Elijah, the great prophet is not mentioned in Hebrews 11. Hebrews 11 is about faith, and goes into detail of the great people who had deep faith.

Mr. Ravenhill said how Moses shouldn't be mentioned in Hebrew 11 because he was a murderer.

Does That diminish the faith of Moses? David also murdered, does that mean he was not a man of faith? Surely not, God Himself said that David was a man after his own heart. As for Elijah not being mentioned in Hebrews 11,


Hebrews 11:32 ( KJV )
And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:

When you are listening to these pastor keep in mind they are not the final authority on what the Bible means.

I was listening to a Leornard Ravenhill sermon, and he brought up an interesting point. Elijah, the great prophet is not mentioned in Hebrews 11. Hebrews 11 is about faith, and goes into detail of the great people who had deep faith.

Mr. Ravenhill said how Moses shouldn't be mentioned in Hebrew 11 because he was a murderer.

I did not hear the sermon. What I will say is that if someone actually says God committed an error, I would say they are a nut case.

I was listening to a Leornard Ravenhill sermon, and he brought up an interesting point. Elijah, the great prophet is not mentioned in Hebrews 11.

Actually he is, not by name, but as the prophet who brought back to life a woman's son:

Heb 11:32,35: "And what more shall I say? I do not have time to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David, Samuel and the prophets ... Women received back their dead, raised to life again."

1 Kings 17:23: "Elijah picked up the child and carried him down from the room into the house. He gave him to his mother and said, 'Look, your son is alive!'"


Mr. Ravenhill said how Moses shouldn't be mentioned in Hebrew 11 because he was a murderer.

If the Bible says one thing, and Mr. Ravenhill says something else, I think I'll go with the Bible.

I was listening to a Leornard Ravenhill sermon, and he brought up an interesting point. Elijah, the great prophet is not mentioned in Hebrews 11. Hebrews 11 is about faith, and goes into detail of the great people who had deep faith.

Mr. Ravenhill said how Moses shouldn't be mentioned in Hebrew 11 because he was a murderer.

Heb. 11 is about faith, and goes into detail of the great people whom had deep faith, it was later clarified in verse 13 these all died in faith not having receive the promises, but having seen them, and embraced them, and confesed that they were strangers and pilgrim on the earth.

Elijah was not mentioned in Heb.11 because he was not with them.

2 King 2:1,11 And it came to pass, when the LORD will take up Elijah into heaven
by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal.
v.11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, andtalked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a
whirlwind into heaven.

I did not hear the sermon. What I will say is that if someone actually says God committed an error, I would say they are a nut case.

I listened to the sermon, almost all of them.
He wasn't saying 'God made a mistake', but that Elijah displayed more faith than all of them.

If you read carefully, ALL those great patriarchs fell short of the glory of God. Their faith was only made complete by the gift of Jesus. Before that gift arrived, Pentecost,their reward was knowing WE would receive that gift. Of corse a hand full of those great men were taken up to Heaven with Jesus.

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Are these natural or supernatural concepts?

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

I'm not sure that faith all through this chapter isn't something God was exercising rather than those named considering the following, Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of the faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. Also Galatians 3:22-25 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Elijah was not mentioned in Heb.11 because he was not with them.

As I said, I belive he is mentioned, though not by name. A similar episode of raising the dead occurs with Elishah in 2 Kings 4 -- I believe Hebrews 11 refers to both.

I was listening to a Leornard Ravenhill sermon, and he brought up an interesting point. Elijah, the great prophet is not mentioned in Hebrews 11. Hebrews 11 is about faith, and goes into detail of the great people who had deep faith.

Mr. Ravenhill said how Moses shouldn't be mentioned in Hebrew 11 because he was a murderer.

So why are you listening to this guy? He sounds like a real loser.