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MoreMercy
Oct 4th 2010, 02:19 PM
Accepting or rejecting titles placed on you.
KJV king james version



a peculiar people - an holy people, 1st read: Deuteronomy Chapter 14

Deu 14:2 For thou [art] an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that [are] upon the earth.



a peculiar people - an holy people, 2nd read: Deuteronomy Chapter 26

Deu 26:18 And the LORD hath avouched thee this day to be his peculiar people, as he hath promised thee, and that [thou] shouldest keep all his commandments;
And to make thee high above all nations which he hath made, in praise, and in name, and in honour; and that thou mayest be an holy people unto the LORD thy God, as he hath spoken.



a peculiar people - an holy people, 3rd read: Exodus Chapter 19

Exd 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine:
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.



It is to me clear by now from reading the whole chapter and or the whole book where these verses are found, it is clear to me that the children of Jacob are Fathers peculiar people - an holy people mentioned in these verses.
But wait, this next chapter below, this chapter in the book of 1st Peter... isn't 1st Peter in the new testament, what is Peter thinking, he is using Father's old testament term describing the children of Jacob to discribe new testament beleivers of Christ...

a peculiar people - an holy people, 4th read: 1st Peter Chapter 2

1Pet 2:9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

1Pet 2:10 Which in time past [were] not a people, but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.



The branch of the olive tree 1st read: Romans Chapter 11

Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit holy, the lump [is] also [holy]: and if the root [be] holy, so [are] the branches.

Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in [his] goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural [branches], be graffed into their own olive tree?
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
As concerning the gospel, [they are] enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, [they are] beloved for the fathers' sakes.
For the gifts and calling of God [are] without repentance.
For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable [are] his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
For of him, and through him, and to him, [are] all things: to whom [be] glory for ever. Amen.



The branch of the vine 1st read: [B]John Chapter 15

Jhn 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

Jhn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast [them] into the fire, and they are burned.
If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.



Final read: [B]Galatians Chapter 3

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if ye Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.



I am grafted into His elected family, Fathers peculiar people - an holy people.
I claim and inherit those same promises of our Father to them.
I don't get And I don't claim new promises, I claim, inherit and share Jacob's children's promises.
I was a foreigner, a strangers, a wild branches grafted into an existing cultivated natural vine or olive tree.

I also claim another title today in front of you: I claim the title of one of the Kings of the Kings and Queens of the Gentiles, from in [B]Isaiah 49:22
I am an American mutt, a Gentile. Even before my Lord returns to claim what He purchased, I have claimed that title from Isaiah 49:22 I claim it, I claim it now, I am one of those Kings and I will work now to position myself into that title before it is even given to me by Him, I claim it now and I work to fill myself into that position now while I am on earth, storing my treasure in heaven while I am still on earth.

MoreMercy
Oct 4th 2010, 02:20 PM
Accepting or rejecting titles placed on you by men.
NAS new american stadard.



a peculiar people - an holy people, 1st read: Deuteronomy Chapter 14

Deu 14:2 "For you are a holy people to the LORD your God, and the LORD has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.



a peculiar people - an holy people, 2nd read: Deuteronomy Chapter 26

Deu 26:18 "The LORD has today declared you to be His people, a treasured possession, as He promised you, and that you should keep all His commandments;
and that He will set you high above all nations which He has made, for praise, fame, and honor; and that you shall be a consecrated people to the LORD your God, as He has spoken."



a peculiar people - an holy people, 3rd read: Exodus Chapter 19

Exd 19:5 'Now then, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be My own possession among all the peoples, for all the earth is Mine;
and you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.' These are the words that you shall speak to the sons of Israel."


It is to me clear by now from reading the whole chapter and or the whole book where these verses are found, it is clear to me that the children of Jacob are Fathers peculiar people - an holy people mentioned in these verses.
But wait, this next chapter below, this chapter in the book of 1st Peter... isn't 1st Peter in the new testament, what is Peter thinking, he is using Father's old testament term describing the children of Jacob to describe new testament believers of Christ...

a peculiar people - an holy people, 4th read: 1st Peter Chapter 2

1Pet 2:9 But you are A CHOSEN RACE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God's OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;

1Pe 2:10 for you once were NOT A PEOPLE, but now you are THE PEOPLE OF GOD; you had NOT RECEIVED MERCY, but now you have RECEIVED MERCY.



The branch of the olive tree 1st read: Romans Chapter 11

Rom 11:16 If the first piece of dough is holy, the lump is also; and if the root is holy, the branches are too.

Rom 11:17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree,

Rom 11:18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.

Rom 11:19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in."
Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear;

Rom 11:21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God's kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

Rom 11:24 For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree? For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery-- so that you will not be wise in your own estimation-- that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB." "THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM, WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS." From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience, so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy. For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all. Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways! For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, OR WHO BECAME HIS COUNSELOR? Or WHO HAS FIRST GIVEN TO HIM THAT IT MIGHT BE PAID BACK TO HIM AGAIN? For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.



The branch of the vine 1st read: John Chapter 15

Jhn 15:1 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. "You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.

Jhn 15:4 "Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned. "If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. "My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so prove to be My disciples.



Fianal read: Galatians Chapter 3

Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to promise.


I am grafted into His elected family, Fathers peculiar people - an holy people.
I claim and inherit those same promises of our Father to them.
I don't get And I don't claim new promises, I claim, inherit and share Jacob's children's promises.
I was a foreigner, a strangers, a wild branches grafted into an existing cultivated natural vine or olive tree.

I also claim another title today in front of you: I claim the title of one of the Kings of the Kings and Queens of the Gentiles, from in Isaiah 49:22
I am an American mutt, a Gentile. Even before my Lord returns to claim what He purchased, I have claimed that title from Isaiah 49:22 I claim it, I claim it now, I am one of those Kings and I will work now to position myself into that title before it is even given to me by Him, I claim it now and I work to fill myself into that position now while I am on earth, storing my treasure in heaven while I am still on earth.

MoreMercy
Oct 4th 2010, 02:20 PM
Accepting or rejecting titles placed on you.
NKJV new king james version


a peculiar people - an holy people, 1st read: Deuteronomy Chapter 14

Deu 14:2 For you are a holy people to the LORD your God, and the LORD has chosen you to be a people for Himself, a special treasure above all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.



a peculiar people - an holy people, 2nd read: Deuteronomy Chapter 26

Deu 26:18 Also today the LORD has proclaimed you to be His special people, just as He promised you, that you should keep all His commandments, 19 and that He will set you high above all nations which He has made, in praise, in name, and in honor, and that you may be a holy people to the LORD your God, just as He has spoken.”



a peculiar people - an holy people, 3rd read: Exodus Chapter 19

Exd 19:5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine. 6 And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel.”


It is to me clear by now from reading the whole chapter and or the whole book where these verses are found, it is clear to me that the children of Jacob are Fathers peculiar people - an holy people mentioned in these verses.
But wait, this next chapter below, this chapter in the book of 1st Peter... isn't 1st Peter in the new testament, what is Peter thinking, he is using Father's old testament term describing the children of Jacob to describe new testament believers of Christ...

a peculiar people - an holy people, 4th read: 1st Peter Chapter 2

1Pet 2:9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;

1Pet 2:10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.




The branch of the olive tree 1st read: Romans Chapter 11

Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches.

Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree,

Rom 11:18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.

Rom 11:19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear.

Rom 11:21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness,[f] if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

Rom 11:24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved,[g] as it is writte “ The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; 27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.”[h]
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.
33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out! 34 “ For who has known the mind of the LORD? Or who has become His counselor?”[i] 35 “ Or who has first given to Him And it shall be repaid to him?”[j] 36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.




The branch of the vine 1st read: John Chapter 15

Jhn 15:1 “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;[a] and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.

Jhn 15:4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. 5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.



Fianal read: [B]Galatians Chapter 3

Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.



I am grafted into His elected family, Fathers peculiar people - an holy people.
I claim and inherit those same promises of our Father to them.
I don't get And I don't claim new promises, I claim, inherit and share Jacob's children's promises.
I was a foreigner, a strangers, a wild branches grafted into an existing cultivated natural vine or olive tree.

I also claim another title today in front of you: I claim the title of one of the Kings of the Kings and Queens of the Gentiles, from in Isaiah 49:22
I am an American mutt, a Gentile. Even before my Lord returns to claim what He purchased, I have claimed that title from Isaiah 49:22 I claim it, I claim it now, I am one of those Kings and I will work now to position myself into that title before it is even given to me by Him, I claim it now and I work to fill myself into that position now while I am on earth, storing my treasure in heaven while I am still on earth.

Fenris
Oct 4th 2010, 02:27 PM
I can't speak for the Greek, but the term in Deuteronomy 14:2 is "Segulah" probably best translated as "precious".

Amos_with_goats
Oct 4th 2010, 02:32 PM
Some if us are more peculiar then precious. ;)

Fenris,

What do you make of Christians statements such as the one above?

Fenris
Oct 4th 2010, 02:33 PM
Fenris,

What do you make of Christians statements such as the one above?

Which one.....? The generalized "grafting" comments?

Amos_with_goats
Oct 4th 2010, 02:36 PM
Which one.....? The generalized "grafting" comments?

Yes, that and this;


I am graffed into His elected family, Fathers peculiar people - an holy people.
I claim and inherit those same promises of our Father to them.
I don't get And I don't claim new promises, I claim, inherit and share Jacob's children's promises.
I was a foriegner, a strangers, a wild branches graffed into an exsiting cuiltivated natural vine or olive tree.

I also claim another title today in front of you: I claim the title of one of the Kings of the Kings and Queens of the Gentiles, from in Isaiah 49:22
I am an American mutt, a Gentile. Even before my Lord returns to claim what He purchased, I have claimed that title from Isaiah 49:22 I claim it, I claim it now, I am one of those Kings and I will work now to position myself into that title before it is even given to me by Him, I claim it now and I work to fill myself into that position now while I am on earth, storing my treasure in heaven while I am still on earth.

Fenris
Oct 4th 2010, 02:46 PM
Yes, that and this;

I find the whole topic rather mystifying. The Jews were "treasured" but no longer? And yet, God's reasons for choosing the Jews have nothing to do with behavior at all. God explicitly states whay He chose the Jews- because He loved the patriarchs.

And if one says that God still loves the Jews because of ancestry, how can someone of a different ancestry be "grafted in"?

I don't see what Isaiah 49:22 has to do with it either. 49 is talking about the ingathering of the Jewish exiles.

Amos_with_goats
Oct 4th 2010, 03:14 PM
I find the whole topic rather mystifying. The Jews were "treasured" but no longer? And yet, God's reasons for choosing the Jews have nothing to do with behavior at all. God explicitly states whay He chose the Jews- because He loved the patriarchs.

And if one says that God still loves the Jews because of ancestry, how can someone of a different ancestry be "grafted in"?

I don't see what Isaiah 49:22 has to do with it either. 49 is talking about the ingathering of the Jewish exiles.

I am not sure the OP is implying that the promises ceased, it appears to me he sees gentiles as receiving the promises also.

It would seem to me that this position would make a Christian anti-Semite a rather self-loathing creature... no?

MoreMercy
Oct 4th 2010, 03:23 PM
I apologize to the readers here and to the ones who have waited for this presentation:

1st that I prepared these scripture and new testament references in 3 different formatted versions KJ, NAS and NKJ I presented all three versions on this thread but the other two versions have been edited out by a Mod or Mods.
(the King James version, the New American Standard bible and the New King James version) bibles were the versions voted for by you for this presentation and, I did format this presentation in those 3 versions for this thread, and I posted them on this thread that way too so, I tried folks but apparently it is not allowed that you have other versions of the bible referenced together for you here. I tried three times and it was edited out three times.

2nd that gain sayers will come and go to post on this thread even before reading what has been posted.

Amos_with_goats
Oct 4th 2010, 03:32 PM
I apologize to the readers here and to the ones who have waited for this presentation:

1st that I prepared these scripture and new testament references in 3 different formatted versions KJ, NAS and NKJ I presented all three versions on this thread but the mod or mods here seem to take a position that the KJ is the only fit version for you to read and have edited out my other two versions I formatted for this thread.
2nd that gain sayers will come and post on this thread even before reading what has been presented here.

It was me, it appeared you had posted several duplicates of the OP.... sorry for the error, it has been corrected.

Fenris
Oct 4th 2010, 03:51 PM
I am not sure the OP is implying that the promises ceased, it appears to me he sees gentiles as receiving the promises also.Yeah, possibly so. Christian opinions are all over the place on the subject. In any case if one wants the promises God made to the Jews, wouldn't it just make sense to convert to Judaism?


It would seem to me that this position would make a Christian anti-Semite a rather self-loathing creature... no?Well that would rather depend on why one hates the Jews. Because of "choseness" or some other reason?

Anyway the whole subject of antisemtism is wacky, because there exist all sorts of strange antisemitic creatures, including Jewish ones.

Frances
Oct 4th 2010, 05:28 PM
So you are 'bowing down' to the Jews 'with your face to the earth' and 'licking up the dust of their feet'? (Isaiah 49:22)

Frances
Oct 4th 2010, 05:31 PM
So you are 'bowing down' to the Jews 'with your face to the earth' and 'licking up the dust of their feet'? (Isaiah 49:22)

MoreMercy
Oct 4th 2010, 06:46 PM
So you are 'bowing down' to the Jews 'with your face to the earth' and 'licking up the dust of their feet'? (Isaiah 49:22)

So you are 'bowing down' to the Jews 'with your face to the earth' and 'licking up the dust of their feet'? (Isaiah 49:22)

Absolutely ! ....but, I will call them what Father calls and titles them and what the Apostle Peter calls and titels them:
"His peculiar people - His holy people" and not as Jews or Gentiles or Christians or saved or unsaved or _____ but, only what He calls and titles them. If you beleive Peter in Fathers word then "Christians" the Gentile beleivers in Christ are also His peculiar people - His holy people grafted in by Christ Jesus.

Please, look where else in Fathers word that these Kings and Queens of the Gentiles/Ethnos are mentioned and the office that is filled by them when Christ returns to claim and rule what He purchased.



Father bless.

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