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divaD
Jan 15th 2011, 05:03 PM
Who worshipped Jesus, the man or the demons?

Mark 5:1 And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.
2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.
11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.
12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand; ) and were choked in the sea.
14 And they that fed the swine fled, and told it in the city, and in the country. And they went out to see what it was that was done.
15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.


I've read this passage numerous times, but never really noticed this part before.


But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,

That would be the man running to Jesus, but look who was speaking.

And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.

Obviously the man was still under the control of the demons. Then Jesus says to the man.

For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.


So the question is, keeping in mind this....immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.


If that man was in that condition when Jesus encountered him, and the man is still possessed but comes running to Jesus when he sees Him afar off, then worships Him, how was the man able to do this, keeping in mind that he wasn't in his right mind, and it was the demons that conversed with Jesus, and not the man himself?


This seems to be the parallel account.

Matthew 8:28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.
29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
30 And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding.
31 So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.
32 And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.
33 And they that kept them fled, and went their ways into the city, and told every thing, and what was befallen to the possessed of the devils.
34 And, behold, the whole city came out to meet Jesus: and when they saw him, they besought him that he would depart out of their coasts.


Verse 28 seems interesting, since it didn't seem to mention this in the Mark account...there met him two possessed with devils.

BTW, I'm not implying anything one way or the other, just found these passages interesting is all.

Doge
Jan 15th 2011, 06:15 PM
They know who He is...and the power He has.
James 2:19
19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

divaD
Jan 15th 2011, 07:19 PM
They know who He is...and the power He has.
James 2:19
19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.



Yes, I familiar with that verse. So how should we understand the following?

But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,

Who worshipped Him? The man or the demons? Should 'worshipped' even be understood as in how we generally understand worship?

chad
Jan 15th 2011, 07:48 PM
I think it depends on your understanding of the word worship. The greek word is Proskuneo G4352... meaning

4352. proskuneo, pros-koo-neh'-o; from G4314 and a prob. der. of G2965 (mean. to kiss, like a dog licking his master's hand); to fawn or crouch to, i.e. (lit. or fig.) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore):--worship.

The NIV translates this verse as ...

(Mark 5:6 NIV) When he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on his knees in front of him.

The demons obviously made the man go to Jesus for the purpose of begging Jesus not to torment/torture them. The Demons knew who Jesus was, his authority and thier fate - so they begged him not to torment or torture them (The useage of the word torment or torture depending on what translation you use).






Yes, I familiar with that verse. So how should we understand the following?

But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,

Who worshipped Him? The man or the demons? Should 'worshipped' even be understood as in how we generally understand worship?

JohnDB
Jan 15th 2011, 10:31 PM
OK...most of the differences between the two accounts can be taken into writing styles.

Matthew wrote in a very contemporary (for his time) Jewish/Roman style. It was very highbrow stuff. There are hundreds of Jewish idioms of speech and Jewish metaphors throughout his account of the Gospel. It is a highly accurate account giving details that the other accounts don't speak of.

Luke's account usually reads closer to what we would readily accept (except for a couple of times) as a closer account of reality.

There are solid and very good reasons for their writing styles...it would be readily accepted and understood by their prospective target audiences to whom they were writing.

Worship in Israel wasn't something that a person did for a time (like we view Sunday mornings)....it was something they did with every aspect of their life.

The Man in Gadarenes began to wear clothes and become a normal human being....and knew who Jesus was.

Doge
Jan 16th 2011, 09:55 PM
Yes, I familiar with that verse. So how should we understand the following?

But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,

Who worshipped Him? The man or the demons? Should 'worshipped' even be understood as in how we generally understand worship?He is clearly demon controlled and if you look at 7 he's saying I have nothing to do with you just leave me alone does not sound like praise you save me kinda worship but rather i know who you are and im appealing to your good nature to leave me alone basically to torment this man...that's how i see it.

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