Ezer Kenegdo
Apr 21st 2011, 03:40 AM
I was wondering what everyone thinks this is about.
Mat 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
IMINXTC
Apr 21st 2011, 03:41 AM
The believer is the treasure.
(a pearl of great price)
Ezer Kenegdo
Apr 22nd 2011, 03:16 AM
Thanks for the response. How does the hiding of a believer fit in? The parable ends with the man buying the field, not with the man recovering the treasure he hid.
Also, the believer would not be a believer when the believer is found then hidden because the man has not sold all to buy the field yet.
Who is the man and what is the field?
Jesus said the field is the world. Does Jesus find and hide the believer in the world then give everything to buy the world?
Servant89
Apr 22nd 2011, 12:11 PM
I was wondering what everyone thinks this is about.
Mat 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
We need to ask the question... what is God's opinion on this? Answer: Israel is the treasure.
Ex 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
There is a parallel of the 7 parables of Matthew and the letters to the 7 churches in Revelation (also a parallel with the 7 feasts) that explains the history of the church in chronological order. On all, the 4th parable and the 4th letter, and the 4th feast, there is a woman introducing bad doctrine (leaven) in the church.
In the parables, Jesus is the sower and gets everything started.
After that Paul said that after his departure, wolves will come in and do damage (the tares are placed in the field)
Then comes the mustard seed which shows the church which should be lowly, like a garden plant, the mustard is part of that family, but grows abnormally big politically, the mustard grows like a tree. So big that birds lodge in it and the birds (Jesus interpreted that for us) is the wicked one.
Then comes the woman with leaven (the 4th)
Then comes the treasure that is hidden and then found. Israel disappeared as a nation and then showed up in 1948. Hos 9:10 states that Israel is a fig tree. Mat 24 states that when we see Israel born again, that within 120 years (the max of one generation) comes the end. This is just an interpretation.... 1948 + 120 = some time before 2,068.
Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Then comes the parable of the pearl, a pearl is created when a grain of sand irritates the oyster (speaking of tribulation)
Acts 14:22 ... we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God ....
Then comes the net which speaks of the second coming where the bride is presented blameless, spotless, wearing white as a pearl.
Shalom
david
Apr 22nd 2011, 04:56 PM
I was wondering what everyone thinks this is about.
Mat 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
In my perspective, we are the man, and the field is God. But it can go either way. God bought us with Jesus' blood, and we must renounce all we have in order to be with God (Luke 14:33). Other related verses in include 2 Corinthians 4:7-11, Matthew 13:45-46, and Philippians 3:8.
keck553
Apr 22nd 2011, 05:45 PM
Then comes the parable of the pearl, a pearl is created when a grain of sand irritates the oyster (speaking of tribulation)
Shalom
Wow, out of an unclean oyster....cool.
bravo.
RollTide21
Apr 22nd 2011, 05:54 PM
I was wondering what everyone thinks this is about.
Mat 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. The kingdom of heaven is that Spiritual realm in which we all reside when we receive the Holy Spirit of God through Christ. When we discover this "hidden treasure", we are enlightened that it is more valuable than any earthly possession. We would forsake all that we have to possess this because we understand it's value when we discover it.
RollTide21
Apr 22nd 2011, 05:57 PM
In my perspective, we are the man, and the field is God. But it can go either way. God bought us with Jesus' blood, and we must renounce all we have in order to be with God (Luke 14:33). Other related verses in include 2 Corinthians 4:7-11, Matthew 13:45-46, and Philippians 3:8.Edited my initial post...
I don't think the purchasing of the field represents anything significant other than the field contains the treasure. The point is that the man does whatever he needs to do to get the treasure.
david
Apr 22nd 2011, 07:36 PM
Edited my initial post...
I don't think the purchasing of the field represents anything significant other than the field contains the treasure. The point is that the man does whatever he needs to do to get the treasure.
Oops made a mistake. You're in the right. the field is just a field. the treasure is God.
Servant89
Apr 22nd 2011, 08:58 PM
Shall we define things out of our imagination or are we going to use the Word of God?
Pro 3:5 ... lean not on my own understanding (I say to myself)
Peace
episkopos
Apr 22nd 2011, 09:03 PM
The field is the spiritual realm in Christ. The field is a location (In the Spirit) ...Christ is the treasure. We invest in the kingdom rather than in this world. We give up our treasures here in the temporal world in order to have riches in heaven. The treasure is hidden just like the eternal reality is hidden! Where our treasure is, there are hearts are as well.
Ezer Kenegdo
Apr 23rd 2011, 05:05 AM
We need to ask the question... what is God's opinion on this? Answer: Israel is the treasure.
Ex 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine::pp I agree! Nice to see someone using God's definitions!
There is a parallel of the 7 parables of Matthew and the letters to the 7 churches in Revelation (also a parallel with the 7 feasts) that explains the history of the church in chronological order. On all, the 4th parable and the 4th letter, and the 4th feast, there is a woman introducing bad doctrine (leaven) in the church.Interesting. I've never made the connection with the 4th letter and feast. How does the feast of weeks fit with corruption, hypocrisy, false doctrine, malice and wickedness, the old, herodians, though?
In the parables, Jesus is the sower and gets everything started.
After that Paul said that after his departure, wolves will come in and do damage (the tares are placed in the field)
Then comes the mustard seed which shows the church which should be lowly, like a garden plant, the mustard is part of that family, but grows abnormally big politically, the mustard grows like a tree. So big that birds lodge in it and the birds (Jesus interpreted that for us) is the wicked one.
Then comes the woman with leaven (the 4th)
Then comes the treasure that is hidden and then found. Israel disappeared as a nation and then showed up in 1948. Hos 9:10 states that Israel is a fig tree. Mat 24 states that when we see Israel born again, that within 120 years (the max of one generation) comes the end. This is just an interpretation.... 1948 + 120 = some time before 2,068.
Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.The tree grew colossal and meal completely corrupted after Israel disappeared as a nation though.
Then comes the parable of the pearl, a pearl is created when a grain of sand irritates the oyster (speaking of tribulation)
Acts 14:22 ... we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God ....You lost me here. God says the pearls are the twelve tribes of Israel.
Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Rev 21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
This would not have been understand at the time, but it was long established that the nation of Israel was God's treasure.
Then comes the net which speaks of the second coming where the bride is presented blameless, spotless, wearing white as a pearl.
ShalomI don't think this has anything to do with the bride, but about survivors of the tribulation and Israel. The bride has already been glorified at His appearing at the second coming. There is no process of separation for the bride.
Ezer Kenegdo
Apr 23rd 2011, 05:12 AM
The kingdom of heaven is that Spiritual realm in which we all reside when we receive the Holy Spirit of God through Christ. When we discover this "hidden treasure", we are enlightened that it is more valuable than any earthly possession. We would forsake all that we have to possess this because we understand it's value when we discover it.Doesn't scripture say heaven will perish? That it was created and is temporal? It does not say heavenly.
Servant89
Apr 23rd 2011, 12:27 PM
:pp I agree! Nice to see someone using God's definitions!
Interesting. I've never made the connection with the 4th letter and feast. How does the feast of weeks fit with corruption, hypocrisy, false doctrine, malice and wickedness, the old, herodians, though?
The parable: Mt 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
Lk 12:1 In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.
So, the whole entire kingdom (the entire church) is shown as 3 measures of barley, Christianity is really 3 big areas, Catholicism, Greek Orthodox Church and Protestants, and all have some sort of errors and are full of sinners. Here comes the connection with leaven...
The fourth feast is Pentecost, which celebrates the first harvest of believers by the outpour of the HS, it is called the firstfruits too.
Lev 23:15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
17 Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals; they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baked with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD.
God wanted leaven in this offering for a reason, it represents the reality of the Church. There is leaven in our Churches.
Shalom
episkopos
Apr 23rd 2011, 03:07 PM
Doesn't scripture say heaven will perish? That it was created and is temporal? It does not say heavenly.
The spiritual realm is eternal. Jesus is also eternal.
Ezer Kenegdo
Apr 23rd 2011, 03:27 PM
Edited my initial post...
I don't think the purchasing of the field represents anything significant other than the field contains the treasure. The point is that the man does whatever he needs to do to get the treasure.Jesus is the only one that ever gave all that he had, so he would own the world, so he could have Israel.
Ezer Kenegdo
Apr 23rd 2011, 03:31 PM
The spiritual realm is eternal. Jesus is also eternal.Right, but this is about the kingdom of heaven not Heaven.
Ezer Kenegdo
Apr 23rd 2011, 03:35 PM
The parable: Mt 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
Lk 12:1 In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.
So, the whole entire kingdom (the entire church) is shown as 3 measures of barley, Christianity is really 3 big areas, Catholicism, Greek Orthodox Church and Protestants, and all have some sort of errors and are full of sinners. Here comes the connection with leaven...
The fourth feast is Pentecost, which celebrates the first harvest of believers by the outpour of the HS, it is called the firstfruits too.
Lev 23:15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
17 Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals; they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baked with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD.
God wanted leaven in this offering for a reason, it represents the reality of the Church. There is leaven in our Churches.
ShalomI thought you might have been saying something else. Some people have a problem with this, so they try and use the feast to say leaven is not always bad.
episkopos
Apr 23rd 2011, 03:36 PM
Right, but this is about the kingdom of heaven not the kingdom of Heaven.
Be that as it may, a Christian is alive to the Spirit, and is exhorted to walk according to the Spirit and not the flesh.
Ezer Kenegdo
Apr 23rd 2011, 03:38 PM
The field is the spiritual realm in Christ. The field is a location (In the Spirit) ...Christ is the treasure. We invest in the kingdom rather than in this world. We give up our treasures here in the temporal world in order to have riches in heaven. The treasure is hidden just like the eternal reality is hidden! Where our treasure is, there are hearts are as well.The point of the parable is obtaining the treasure. Not giving up treasure to get the treasure.
Dani H
Apr 23rd 2011, 03:42 PM
To me that parable drives home the commandment Jesus gave to seek God's Kingdom and His righteousness first and make it a priority. That's what the fellow in the parable did. He sold all he had for that one field because of the treasure.
I don't think it's specifically for us to interpret what everything in the parable exactly stands for, but to get the overlying message, which is that of prioritizing the Kingdom and recognizing its true value to us.
Ezer Kenegdo
Apr 23rd 2011, 05:04 PM
Be that as it may, a Christian is alive to the Spirit, and is exhorted to walk according to the Spirit and not the flesh.Yes, but my point is, why are you going here? When Jesus said this there were no Christians and no one was alive to the Spirit. He was not saying that that was going to happen in the future here either. After ch 13 in Mat 15:26-27 Jesus is still here for Israel only and not Gentiles. We need to read ch 13 in its context so that we can hear and understand the mysteries Jesus is revealing concerning the kingdom of heaven, not Heaven. First read chapter 12 then 13.
The kingdom of heaven ruled by the King is not coming until the end of the world (age).
It has been shut up that no man enter (Mat 23:13). The leaders (ch 12-) and the people (Mat 13:2, 11-15) of Israel do not believe and have rejected the King and his kingdom. They can't see, their hearts are evil, they can't hear.
So he is going to bury Israel (whom he came for not Gentiles) back into the world, go and purchase the world and thereby purchase both Jew and Gentile and all things, and come back at the end of the world (age) (said 3x in ch 13), which is the harvest, to establish the King ruled kingdom of heaven.
Ezer Kenegdo
Apr 23rd 2011, 05:10 PM
I don't think it's specifically for us to interpret what everything in the parable exactly stands for, but to get the overlying message, which is that of prioritizing the Kingdom and recognizing its true value to us.There's no other way to understand the truths being revealed by the parables except by the definitions God gives. If there were, the disciples would not have had to ask for clarification and Jesus would not have had to give it, so that some would understand and others would not. Otherwise, we end up with 10 interpretations, and many of them quite strange and opposed to the context.
BroRog
Apr 23rd 2011, 05:22 PM
To me that parable drives home the commandment Jesus gave to seek God's Kingdom and His righteousness first and make it a priority. That's what the fellow in the parable did. He sold all he had for that one field because of the treasure.
I don't think it's specifically for us to interpret what everything in the parable exactly stands for, but to get the overlying message, which is that of prioritizing the Kingdom and recognizing its true value to us.Yes. That's right. Many Bible teachers will treat the parables as if they were allegorical. However, except for a few rare cases, the parables are not allegorical. Most of the time the parables are simple analogies, and Jesus is inviting us to find the resemblance between the story and his point. In this case the treasure is just a treasure and the field is just a field. The point of comparison is between the attitude of the man who finds the treasure and our attitude with regard to the kingdom of God.
We are being asked, "what is the relative worth of the kingdom of God to us personally as compared to what this world has to offer us?" If we value the kingdom of God more than what this world has to offer us, we will devote our time, effort, mental energies and all the rest in hopes of attaining to the kingdom of God.
Ezer Kenegdo
Apr 23rd 2011, 05:28 PM
It says kingdom of heaven BroRog, not kingdom of God. Where is the parallel parable? There isn't one. This is only in Matthew.
Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
episkopos
Apr 23rd 2011, 05:51 PM
Yes. That's right. Many Bible teachers will treat the parables as if they were allegorical. However, except for a few rare cases, the parables are not allegorical. Most of the time the parables are simple analogies, and Jesus is inviting us to find the resemblance between the story and his point. In this case the treasure is just a treasure and the field is just a field. The point of comparison is between the attitude of the man who finds the treasure and our attitude with regard to the kingdom of God.
We are being asked, "what is the relative worth of the kingdom of God to us personally as compared to what this world has to offer us?" If we value the kingdom of God more than what this world has to offer us, we will devote our time, effort, mental energies and all the rest in hopes of attaining to the kingdom of God.
Well said!!! :)
Servant89
Apr 23rd 2011, 07:59 PM
I thought you might have been saying something else. Some people have a problem with this, so they try and use the feast to say leaven is not always bad.
Everywhere else leaven is bad in the Bible. There is sin in the Church. Some people won't accept it but it is true.
Peace
BroRog
Apr 23rd 2011, 08:24 PM
It says kingdom of heaven BroRog, not kingdom of God. Where is the parallel parable? There isn't one. This is only in Matthew.
Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.The phrases "kingdom of heaven" and "kingdom of God" mean the same thing.
Ezer Kenegdo
Apr 23rd 2011, 09:54 PM
There's too many contradicts for that to be true. If however one thinks they have truth and that truth they think they have fits the contradictions, they will of course say the phrases are talking about the same things.
BroRog
Apr 23rd 2011, 10:17 PM
There's too many contradicts for that to be true. If however one thinks they have truth and that truth they think they have fits the contradictions, they will of course say the phrases are talking about the same things.What contradictions?
Servant89
Apr 24th 2011, 01:52 AM
Wow, out of an unclean oyster....cool.
bravo.
Yeah, out of a bottom feeder!
Shalom
episkopos
Apr 24th 2011, 03:24 PM
Yes, but my point is, why are you going here? When Jesus said this there were no Christians and no one was alive to the Spirit. He was not saying that that was going to happen in the future here either. After ch 13 in Mat 15:26-27 Jesus is still here for Israel only and not Gentiles. We need to read ch 13 in its context so that we can hear and understand the mysteries Jesus is revealing concerning the kingdom of heaven, not Heaven. First read chapter 12 then 13.
The kingdom of heaven ruled by the King is not coming until the end of the world (age).
It has been shut up that no man enter (Mat 23:13). The leaders (ch 12-) and the people (Mat 13:2, 11-15) of Israel do not believe and have rejected the King and his kingdom. They can't see, their hearts are evil, they can't hear.
So he is going to bury Israel (whom he came for not Gentiles) back into the world, go and purchase the world and thereby purchase both Jew and Gentile and all things, and come back at the end of the world (age) (said 3x in ch 13), which is the harvest, to establish the King ruled kingdom of heaven.
Why this undue emphasis of ethnicity and animosity towards the nations other than Judea? You need to grasp that Israel is the Bride of Christ not according to DNA but according to faith.
The parable cuts both ways. Jesus first loved us that we would also choose Him.
as in...I am my beloved's and My beloved is mine!
So Jesus laid down what He had for His love, But we in turn lay down all we have to love Him in turn. The bible goes deeper than one meaning. The word is eternal.
RollTide21
Apr 27th 2011, 09:39 PM
There's no other way to understand the truths being revealed by the parables except by the definitions God gives. If there were, the disciples would not have had to ask for clarification and Jesus would not have had to give it, so that some would understand and others would not. Otherwise, we end up with 10 interpretations, and many of them quite strange and opposed to the context. Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
Jesus is saying that the Truth in Him is hidden to the World and when this Truth is revealed to us, we cherish it above all things in this, the temporal World.
That's the message we are intended to gain from that passage.
david
Jun 8th 2011, 07:30 PM
the field is just a field. the treasure is God.
This may not be correct, sorry.
danield
Jun 9th 2011, 02:04 AM
You know this is really a wonderful parable. I know some have mentioned this but I do think it is worth repeating. The treasure is the Lord or you may call it the kingdom of heaven. And once you find it, it becomes the most valuable thing you could ever find. You would give all that you have to posses it. You can’t go and steal it because then you could not have the treasure. And the purchase price of the field is all that you have. So you gladly sell all that you have to buy this very field. It is a small price for such a great reward.
Bandfourmystery
Jun 9th 2011, 02:16 AM
Why this undue emphasis of ethnicity and animosity towards the nations other than Judea? You need to grasp that Israel is the Bride of Christ not according to DNA but according to faith.
The parable cuts both ways. Jesus first loved us that we would also choose Him.
as in...I am my beloved's and My beloved is mine!
So Jesus laid down what He had for His love, But we in turn lay down all we have to love Him in turn. The bible goes deeper than one meaning. The word is eternal.Again, why are you going here? The subject is National Israel, not spiritual Israel. Else, don't go the way of the Gentiles makes no sense.
Bandfourmystery
Jun 9th 2011, 02:20 AM
You know this is really a wonderful parable. I know some have mentioned this but I do think it is worth repeating. The treasure is the Lord or you may call it the kingdom of heaven. And once you find it, it becomes the most valuable thing you could ever find. You would give all that you have to posses it. You can’t go and steal it because then you could not have the treasure. And the purchase price of the field is all that you have. So you gladly sell all that you have to buy this very field. It is a small price for such a great reward.If Jesus can be the kingdom of heaven, then Jesus was leavened, inhabited by devils, and can be purchased. Sorry. That doesn't work. Follow Jesus' definitions not your feelings.
Bandfourmystery
Jun 9th 2011, 03:36 AM
The phrases "kingdom of heaven" and "kingdom of God" mean the same thing.The Catholic Church thought they were the same too. So they set out to occupy the kingdom of heaven -earth. This was said for the kingdom of God, not kingdom of heaven.
Diggindeeper
Jun 9th 2011, 03:45 AM
The Catholic Church thought they were the same too. So they set out to occupy the kingdom of heaven -earth. This was said for the kingdom of God, not kingdom of heaven.
Band, you are not making sense. The Bible says distinctly, clearly and plainly is IS the kingdom of heaven. See? It's right here....
Matthew 13:44
44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
Say whatever you like, disagree or whatever...the verse says what it says and that's it.
Bandfourmystery
Jun 9th 2011, 03:48 AM
Huh? Not following. Can you be more clear please?
Occupy til I come was said for the kingdom of God.
Diggindeeper
Jun 9th 2011, 03:57 AM
This thread is talking about Matthew 13:44. Did you read the very first post???
fewarechosen
Jun 9th 2011, 04:41 AM
to obtain the kingdom of heaven the man sold ALL that he had.
There is a much deeper meaning to this also. It relates to selling your garment and so on. Selling all you have in this parable is also about getting rid of all your aspirations and desires and getting those in line with Gods will. Its why some will never marry or have children. Its why some will be martyred.
I feel many of us want the kingdom of heaven but we dont really sell all we have we just like to think we do.
Raybob
Jun 9th 2011, 09:11 AM
... Earth is where God comes down to dwell with man.
I don't know why you'd think He'd come to dwell with us when we are supposed to go and dwell with Him in the place He prepared. He told us He was preparing a place for us so we could be with Him.
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
(Joh 14:2-3)
When He returns to this earth, it will be all over for this current earth.
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
(2Pe 3:9-10)
danield
Jun 9th 2011, 11:45 AM
If Jesus can be the kingdom of heaven, then Jesus was leavened, inhabited by devils, and can be purchased. Sorry. That doesn't work. Follow Jesus' definitions not your feelings.
I never said that the kingdom of heaven could be bought. However, I did say that when you find the Holy Spirit or the kingdom of heaven, you will give all that you have to posses it. In essence, you will put nothing above it in your life including money. No one said anything about purchasing the Holy Spirit, and that is why you buy the field and not the treasure. The treasure is in the field, but the field cost you all that you have. You can put nothing above the lord, and he must become everything in your life. This is the correct interpretation.
danield
Jun 10th 2011, 03:36 AM
Bandfourmystery
Again I have never implied that Jesus could be bought. You wrongly rationalized what I said. In fact you need to slow down on making such leaps in your logic. I am not criticizing you, I am just saying… slow down and let’s take one thing at a time.
The treasure is the kingdom of heaven. You could not ever buy the treasure outright, and that is why it is buried on the land. The man reburies it because he knows that if anyone knew of its true value he could not buy the land that contains the treasure at any price. The land just so happens to cost the man all that he has, and he gladly gives it. Remember you can put anything in front of the lord including money. However, the lord offers you salvation, but the price of your salvation is a complete dedication to him and his ways. The price is all that you have. The land is the way to your salvation. Christ paid the extreme price for the treasure, but you need to make a full commitment to him and his ways. You cannot make a luke warm confessional prayer and expect to own the land. It is as simple as that.
Matthew 13:37 is an entirely different parable describing different issues that get in the way of your salvation. In fact, many of his parables leading up to the treasure in the field parable describe different aspects of the kingdom of heaven. These parables were meant for everyone, and not just an end time’s version of events.
18 "Now listen to the explanation of the parable about the farmer planting seeds:
19 The seed that fell on the footpath represents those who hear the message about the Kingdom and don't understand it. Then the evil one comes and snatches away the seed that was planted in their hearts.
20 The seed on the rocky soil represents those who hear the message and immediately receive it with joy.
21 But since they don't have deep roots, they don't last long. They fall away as soon as they have problems or are persecuted for believing God's word.
22 The seed that fell among the thorns represents those who hear God's word, but all too quickly the message is crowded out by the worries of this life and the lure of wealth, so no fruit is produced.
23 The seed that fell on good soil represents those who truly hear and understand God's word and produce a harvest of thirty, sixty, or even a hundred times as much as had been planted!"
(Mat 13:18-23 NLT)
Jesus explains this parable perfectly. Christ is the perfect seed, and if you follow him and his ways the kingdom of heaven is opened to you. However, in life many things happen to distract you from following him. You can imagine the full spectrum of “issues” or “weeds” that could come between you and the lord.
BroRog
Jun 10th 2011, 04:28 AM
A parable is an analogy. Not all the aspects of the story related to the analogy. The essential aspect of the parable is that a man was willing to do whatever it took in order to get the one thing he found more valuable than everything else. The parable relies on our ability to assess the relative value of things. It wasn't as if the man's valuables weren't worth anything. They were. But he decided that the treasure in the field was worth more to him than what he already owned. Jesus is inviting those who hear the parable to assess the relative value of the kingdom of God in terms of what we want. What do we want more, what this world has to offer or what God has to offer?
Raybob
Jun 10th 2011, 07:54 AM
Who said which earth? I didn't. Rev 21:3
Unless you add the word "new" to earth, earth is always assumed to be the one we live on.
RollTide21
Jun 10th 2011, 05:32 PM
I'm not sure what you mean. Jesus was, in fact, speaking in parables because he wanted to be understood. We use analogies to help people understand us, not keep them from understanding us.Jesus spoke in parables to demonstrate that some would understand and some would not. Those who did understand had the Truth revealed to them by the Father. Those who did not understand had not had the Truth revealed to them by the Father.
Matthew 13:
10 The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”
11 He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them.
12 Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them.
13 This is why I speak to them in parables:
“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
BroRog
Jun 11th 2011, 01:50 AM
Jesus spoke in parables to demonstrate that some would understand and some would not. Those who did understand had the Truth revealed to them by the Father. Those who did not understand had not had the Truth revealed to them by the Father.
Matthew 13:
10 The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”
11 He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them.
12 Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them.
13 This is why I speak to them in parables:
“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.I see what you mean.
BroRog
Jun 11th 2011, 01:56 AM
He wanted to be understood by those he gave the interpretation to. We have his interpretation. He did not want the others to understand. He made that abundantly clear. How is it even possible to read Jesus saying it's for you and not them and conclude it's for them?
I see it differently, but instead of just telling you why, let me ask a question. If Jesus didn't want the others to understand, as you suggest, why did he speak to the crowds at all? If they were already having difficulty understanding, and if he really wanted them to remain ignorant, all he had to do was not say anything at all. Your interpretation does not explain why he spoke to them in parables. If Jesus truly didn't want the others to understand, he could have simply remained in a remote location, teaching his disciples privately.
fewarechosen
Jun 11th 2011, 05:01 AM
when i read the parable what i take from the - selling all that he has - part is this. he is referencing a man who sold ALL he had.
it is reflected in "sell your garment and buy a sword" and a few other scriptures
in this parable part of what he is referencing is a man who found something so precious he was willing to part with his money his desires and his flesh to acquire it and he did it with joy.
it makes me think am i willing to sell all those things to for the field or am i just half hearted about it.