http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/27/white-house-releases-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate/

Why on earth did he wait this long? :hmm:

If all this could have been taken off the table long ago.... What was the point of waiting?

YOU MEAN HE ISN'T A CLOSET MUSLIM BORN IN KENYA!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????

Hopefully, this is finally over.

Now I know what the fuss was over.

Barry senior (DAD) was a black man diddling with an underage white woman in the USA, got her preggers, and got married only 6 months before Barry (JUNIOR) was born. PRESBO was in the oven before mom and dad got hitched.

So what?

From the article:


Trump, speaking in New Hampshire, took credit Wednesday for the president's decision to release the document. He said his team would have to examine the birth certificate and questioned why the White House took so long, but indicated he wanted to move beyond the issue.

"Today, I'm very proud of myself, because I've accomplished something that nobody else has been able to accomplish," Trump told reporters. "Why he didn't do it when everybody else was asking for it, I don't know. But I am really honored, frankly, to have played such a big role in hopefully, hopefully getting rid of this issue."

Oh the arrogance...:rolleyes:

Trump should have egg on his face ..he was the one that kept insisting Obama wasn't born here and had his 'investigators' checking things out to prove it too. He should be really embarrassed. Plus he just lost popular vote he was planning on getting by using this as a platform. Now he is going to have to actually come up with some ideas of what he could do, as President (if he decides to run) that would actually benefit this country.

Edited to add..as said on this link about all of this: http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/25/birthers.obama.hawaii/index.html
The BC Obama has can't be used as a legal document anymore...which may be why he didn't bother showing it before now...people would just pick at that fact...saying though its real..its not legal. He has to use the computer generated BC, just like anyone born in Hawaii now has to do, shown in the video in the link I just posted.....which was put on the net years ago when he started his campaign to be President for everyone to see. Yet people still didn't believe it was a real BC. It not only is..its the only one that can legally be used now..not this one just released.

God bless

Trump got everything he wanted out of this, which is brand recognition.

Trump does not want to be President. He does, however, want to shape the debate to encourage fiscal responsibility and economic policy development vis a vis the Chinese.

Why? Because Trump will make more money.

I would like to see Trump, Pamela Geller of the mud slinging "Atlas Shrugged" and Wing Nut Daily issue an apology for spreading lies.

If everyone in public office or the public arena stopped to apologies for spreading lies, nothing would happen for about 3 decades.

:D

I would like to see Trump, Pamela Geller of the mud slinging "Atlas Shrugged" and Wing Nut Daily issue an apology for spreading lies.

Me too! Instead no they are going to brag about it...ugh.

I can understand all the delays in presenting the birth certificate.

The whole system is supposed to be based on the accusers responsibility to prove guilt.

I got really tired of people yelling for proof that he is, rather than insisting that the burden of proof was to show that he WASN'T.

I saw no effort by any accuser of attempting to find a record of birth from anywhere else.

Makes it real easy when you convince the public that a person is guilty until proven innocent.

Trump does not want to be President. I seriously hope this is true and that he bows out sometime soon! He makes me sick!

I seriously hope this is true and that he bows out sometime soon! He makes me sick!

He's playing the foil for the hard right, which is a necessary part of any political campaign. He gets to ask the questions that far right loons want the real candidates to ask but know that they can't. Think of Trump as a really rich, really white Jesse Jackson.

WHen you understand that the character being played is really just the Court Jester and not the Crown Prince, you can enjoy the show.

What I found curious was this line:

"We do not have time for this kind of silliness," Obama said. "We've got better stuff to do. I've got better stuff to do. We've got big problems to solve."

which to me rather implies that for the last 24 months or so they did have time for this kind of silliness.

What I found curious was this line:

"We do not have time for this kind of silliness," Obama said. "We've got better stuff to do. [I'M RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION NOW!!] I've got better stuff to do. [GOLF DAY ON TUESDAY!!!] We've got big problems to solve.[MY APPROVAL RATING IS IN THE TOILET AND I'M RUNNING OUT OF THINGS TO BLAME ON BOOOOOOOOOSH"!

which to me rather implies that for the last 24 months or so they did have time for this kind of silliness.

There, I fixed it with some interpretitational interlineating.

What I found curious was this line:

"We do not have time for this kind of silliness," Obama said. "We've got better stuff to do. I've got better stuff to do. We've got big problems to solve."

which to me rather implies that for the last 24 months or so they did have time for this kind of silliness.

I did a quick scan of the article and if I remember correctly, he (or his press secretary) said it has invaded the main stream media to the point it is/was THE talking point now, the focus instead of more weighty matters. When the rumors and innuendoes were nothing more than blog blips and poison posts, it didn't really effect the general public. When it becomes the topic of choice on the evening news for days on end, it needs to be addressed.

There, I fixed it with some interpretitational interlineating.

Sounds about right for high level politics :)

I did a quick scan of the article and if I remember correctly, he (or his press secretary) said it has invaded the main stream media to the point it is/was THE talking point now, the focus instead of more weighty matters. When the rumors and innuendoes were nothing more than blog blips and poison posts, it didn't really effect the general public. When it becomes the topic of choice on the evening news for days on end, it needs to be addressed.

It does rather raise the question of his judgment and long-term vision if he couldn't see that providing the information when the rumours started would nip the whole thing in the bud.

It's not rocket science to figure that if a rumour starts like that and begins to gain traction, it will continue to run until such time as it's decisively squashed? If he was willing to release the short version of the certificate however long ago it was then why not just release the full certificate there and then and be done with it?

I did a quick scan of the article and if I remember correctly, he (or his press secretary) said it has invaded the main stream media to the point it is/was THE talking point now, the focus instead of more weighty matters. When the rumors and innuendoes were nothing more than blog blips and poison posts, it didn't really effect the general public. When it becomes the topic of choice on the evening news for days on end, it needs to be addressed.

Yep...CNN has been doing a series on it..which I posted the link too in this thread. Trump stirred up the pot again making it a bigger issue though its never completely gone away. Hopefully it will now though. (after we all make our comments and post our opinions on the BC..Obama and Trump that is) lol.

God bless

It does rather raise the question of his judgment and long-term vision if he couldn't see that providing the information when the rumours started would nip the whole thing in the bud.

It's not rocket science to figure that if a rumour starts like that and begins to gain traction, it will continue to run until such time as it's decisively squashed? If he was willing to release the short version of the certificate however long ago it was then why not just release the full certificate there and then and be done with it?

Why should he have done that? The long form certificate is not even given to people when they REQUEST it. The short form (which Obama DID provide) is the legal document. The long version is NOT legal.

Why didn't you brush your teeth this morning?

Why should he have done that? The long form certificate is not even given to people when they REQUEST it. The short form (which Obama DID provide) is the legal document. The long version is NOT legal.

Why didn't you brush your teeth this morning?

You have to have 'em to brush 'em.

Oh, sorry. I thought you were talking to me. Are you talkin' to me? Are YOU talkin' to ME?

No, you bottom feeding barrister. I was talking to the Big Red Bird who has since morphed into a Flutter-by.

No, you bottom feeding barrister.

Now you are being repetitively redundant.

Why on earth did he wait this long? :hmm:

If all this could have been taken off the table long ago.... What was the point of waiting?

That was my thought also.

I couldn't renew my drivers license unless my birth certificate had a raised seal on it.

Jeanne

Now you are being repetitively redundant.
T'is the way with metaphor and simile - not to mention alliteration and anamanapoea. Although right now I can't spell and don't care.

And by the way - I called you a maroon somewhere and I THINK people thought I had misspoke. Not really - I would never call you a moron. Maybe I should start with macaroon so it's WAY obvious.

That was my thought also.

I couldn't renew my drivers license unless my birth certificate had a raised seal on it.

Jeanne

HE DID PROVIDE THE LEGAL DOCUMENT.

Do you really think he could have waltzed into the BMV at age 16 and get a driver's license without a birth certificate that was legal?

It looks like a legitimate fake to me. :idea:

lolololllllolloolololol

HE DID PROVIDE THE LEGAL DOCUMENT.

Do you really think he could have waltzed into the BMV at age 16 and get a driver's license without a birth certificate that was legal?

Was this the document he released when the rumors first started a couple of years ago?

Jeanne

It looks like a legitimate fake to me. :idea:

Is that anything like genuine artificial leather?

Was this the document he released when the rumors first started a couple of years ago?

Jeanne

No, that was the short form. No signatures, just an electronic database copy.

This is the real McCoy that the Dept of WhoVille keeps in the official secret underground files for everyone.

Originally Posted by tango View Post
It does rather raise the question of his judgment and long-term vision if he couldn't see that providing the information when the rumours started would nip the whole thing in the bud.

It's not rocket science to figure that if a rumour starts like that and begins to gain traction, it will continue to run until such time as it's decisively squashed? If he was willing to release the short version of the certificate however long ago it was then why not just release the full certificate there and then and be done with it?

As others have said...he did show the legal one..its been online for years now. But certain groups kept claiming it was a fake. Obama shouldn't have to bow to these rumors (of which their has been alot!) every time someone questions something. If he did, yes he would be spending far too much time and energy on this kind of stuff....putting out gossip fires instead of focusing on his job. No one should have to do that. I think he deeply resents having to do this and frankly I don't blame him. As pointed out numberous times before..his mother had to show the legal BC to get his Social Security number as a baby..he had to show it to get his drivers license...etc, etc...long before anyone..not even him...knew he would run for President.

God bless

Why on earth did he wait this long? :hmm:

If all this could have been taken off the table long ago.... What was the point of waiting?

Hawaiian law for one thing. Not just anyone can waltz into a public office and demand the birth certificate of another citizen.

And now we have legal precedent for health care privacy violation for "public interest's" sake. Thanks birthers!

Was this the document he released when the rumors first started a couple of years ago?

Jeanne
Yes. The short form that is LEGAL as proof of citizenship.

But the rumors persisted - but only on the 'net.

To me, it was like character assassination by whisper. If you whisper something long enough and to enough people, when it is finally said out loud, lots of people believe it to be "fact" because they have heard it somewhere before, even though there is NO proof. None.

Had I been Obama, I would not have provided the long form NOW. Either you accept what all others who have been candidates put forward as proof or you stand up and say you don't think I'm a citizen because of your prejudices. Someone with a name like "Obama" let alone "Barack Hussein" just simply cannot be a citizen. And oh my good Golly - he's not really white either.

Hawaiian law for one thing. Not just anyone can waltz into a public office and demand the birth certificate of another citizen.

And now we have legal precedent for health care privacy violation for "public interest's" sake. Thanks birthers!

Yep - short term demands always backfire. Prayer in school is another one. What do I do when the teacher is a Jehovah's Witness or a New Age-er or *gasp* MUSLIM????? Ask that the Gov revoke school prayer?

Well, now that that's solved, can we talk about the royal wedding?

:monkeyd: :huh: :monkeyd: :huh: :monkeyd:

Well, now that that's solved, can we talk about the royal wedding?

I doubt that this is "solved" because it was never a movement based on preponderance of evidence. In a matter of days, this document will be touted as a fake

I doubt that this is "solved" because it was never a movement based on preponderance of evidence. In a matter of days, this document will be touted as a fake

Well until then, it's.........uh...........I forgot.........what's his name and her name again? The one's getting married?

I doubt that this is "solved" because it was never a movement based on preponderance of evidence. In a matter of days, this document will be touted as a fake
Or the focus will become, "Gee, why didn't he submit this before? There has to be something he's trying to hide."

If he says ANYTHING, does ANYTHING, it will be used as proof that he is not worthy of being President.

If he does NOTHING, says NOTHING, it will be used as proof that he is not worthy of being President.

Or the focus will become, "Gee, why didn't he submit this before? There has to be something he's trying to hide."

If he says ANYTHING, does ANYTHING, it will be used as proof that he is not worthy of being President.

If he does NOTHING, says NOTHING, it will be used as proof that he is not worthy of being President.

As I said in the thread before (last week?) this was such an easy thing to take out of the discussion...

... even using his own retoric "He declared, "We do not have time for this kind of silliness."....

Why would he wait so long? Was there time for this before?

As I said in the thread before (last week?) this was such an easy thing to take out of the discussion...

... even using his own retoric "He declared, "We do not have time for this kind of silliness."....

Why would he wait so long? Was there time for this before?
He classified it as silliness. I think you have your answer THERE if you would look at it from the man who has been elected (legitimately) President of the United States' perspective.

Why answer a fool?

He classified it as silliness. I think you have your answer THERE if you would look at it from the man who has been elected (legitimately) President of the United States' perspective.

Why answer a fool?

He was elected by the people, to serve the people, so he is obligated to us (we the people).

Jeanne

Yes. The short form that is LEGAL as proof of citizenship.

But the rumors persisted - but only on the 'net.

To me, it was like character assassination by whisper. If you whisper something long enough and to enough people, when it is finally said out loud, lots of people believe it to be "fact" because they have heard it somewhere before, even though there is NO proof. None.

Had I been Obama, I would not have provided the long form NOW. Either you accept what all others who have been candidates put forward as proof or you stand up and say you don't think I'm a citizen because of your prejudices. Someone with a name like "Obama" let alone "Barack Hussein" just simply cannot be a citizen. And oh my good Golly - he's not really white either.

He is not really black either...

Remember that discussion about him on the news? He wasn't black enough...:rolleyes: People come up with some of the most off the wall things to talk about on the news sometimes. I am surprised their hasn't been a discussion about his shoe size and whether he has any toes abnormally longer then the others...:rolleyes: Surely that would mean something sinister. :hmm:

Can't wait to see how badly the next President is dissected...don't know why anyone would want to be President considered how the public takes them apart all the time. :(

He was elected by the people, to serve the people, so he is obligated to us (we the people).

Jeanne

To serve as President ..there is nothing in his job description about defending himself against every rumor about him out there. If he did that..he wouldn't have time to do his real job!

God bless

Why should he have done that? The long form certificate is not even given to people when they REQUEST it. The short form (which Obama DID provide) is the legal document. The long version is NOT legal.

Why didn't you brush your teeth this morning?

In which case why did he release it now?

It seems to me that if there's a problem you deal with the problem, if something isn't a problem you ignore it, but what he's done is to ignore the problem until suddenly he's decided he's got better things to do than ignore the problem so he's suddenly dealing with it. And if the long version isn't even a legal document will it do anything to silence the people who claim he was born elsewhere anyway? If not he's potentially gone from ignoring something to doing something about it that won't actually achieve anything, all the while claiming he's got better things to do.

He was elected by the people, to serve the people, so he is obligated to us (we the people).

Jeanne

Jeanne - he provided the LEGAL papers necessary to run for office.

Why does he have to do more? Because his name doesn't sound quite American enough?

I simply do not "get" it.

It was a nasty rumor started by Jerome Corsi and taken on a flyer by Phillip Berg. It gained momentum with muck-rakers like Pamela Geller and grew wings within the "I am an Amur-can" groups of troglodyte knuckle-draggers who want to be heard - the militia types and those who stay inside with the drapes drawn glued to the conspiracy theory websites so they can be "special" for once in their miserable lives.

It is/was gossip. Nothing more.

Tango - he didn't answer the knuckle draggers.

He answered the shyster who is thinking of running for President.

One group believes anything that has "conspiracy" written in it - and no matter what he would have said, it would not have been enough.

The other has the national stage at the moment. Hopefully only for a moment.

Is that anything like genuine artificial leather?

It pronounced "pleather".

In which case why did he release it now?

It seems to me that if there's a problem you deal with the problem, if something isn't a problem you ignore it, but what he's done is to ignore the problem until suddenly he's decided he's got better things to do than ignore the problem so he's suddenly dealing with it. And if the long version isn't even a legal document will it do anything to silence the people who claim he was born elsewhere anyway? If not he's potentially gone from ignoring something to doing something about it that won't actually achieve anything, all the while claiming he's got better things to do.

As you can see from just this thread - it will not silence anything. Which is why I would not have provided people with anything other than what I had provided when I declared my candidacy. But he's him and I'm me.

It pronounced "pleather".

I personally am quite fond of genuine virgin naugahyde :-)

Are nauga's repitialian or mammalian? I thought they might be ambidextrious, too.

may not be genuine:

If the original document was in a bound volume (as reflected by the curvature of the left hand side of the certificate), how can the green patterned background of the document's safety paper be so seamless?

• Why, if Obama was born on August 4, 1961, was the “Date Accepted by Local Reg.” four days later on August 8, 1961?

• What is the significance of the smudges in the box containing the name of the reported attendant?

• David A. Sinclair, the M.D. who purportedly signed the document, died nearly eight years ago at age 81. So he is conveniently unavailable to answer questions about Obama’s reported birth.

• In the “This Birth” box there are two mysterious Xs above “Twin” and “Triplet.” Is there a sibling or two unaccounted for?

• What is the significance of the mysterious numbers, seen vertically, on the document’s right side?

• Finally, the “Signature of Local Registrar” in box 21 may be a desperate attempt at establishing the document’s Hawaiian authenticity. Note to forgers: It is spelled “Ukulele.”

from http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/barack-obama/birth-obama-certer-movement-098513

Are nauga's repitialian or mammalian? I thought they might be ambidextrious, too.

I believe they are marsupials. But I could be wrong. And yes on the ambidextrous.

may not be genuine:

If the original document was in a bound volume (as reflected by the curvature of the left hand side of the certificate), how can the green patterned background of the document's safety paper be so seamless?

• Why, if Obama was born on August 4, 1961, was the “Date Accepted by Local Reg.” four days later on August 8, 1961?

• What is the significance of the smudges in the box containing the name of the reported attendant?

• David A. Sinclair, the M.D. who purportedly signed the document, died nearly eight years ago at age 81. So he is conveniently unavailable to answer questions about Obama’s reported birth.

• In the “This Birth” box there are two mysterious Xs above “Twin” and “Triplet.” Is there a sibling or two unaccounted for?

• What is the significance of the mysterious numbers, seen vertically, on the document’s right side?

• Finally, the “Signature of Local Registrar” in box 21 may be a desperate attempt at establishing the document’s Hawaiian authenticity. Note to forgers: It is spelled “Ukulele.”

from http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/barack-obama/birth-obama-certer-movement-098513

You left out the first part in that article:

This morning’s White House release of President Barack Obama’s long form birth certificate will, of course, do little to derail the “birther” movement, which will now analyze the document with the kind of verve previously directed toward those Texas Air National Guard memos faxed to CBS from that Kinko’s in Abilene.

So here’s a few nutty points about the birth certificate sure to be seized upon by the nonbelievers:

Then it lists what might be brought up...the author is in no way agreeing with these questions it appears.

Also from the article:
• David A. Sinclair, the M.D. who purportedly signed the document, died nearly eight years ago at age 81. So he is conveniently unavailable to answer questions about Obama’s reported birth. Yep he died on purpose just to avoid these questions! oh my...

He was elected by the people, to serve the people, so he is obligated to us (we the people).

Jeanne

He is clearly agitated by having to provided a much needed document to clear his "good" name, what he calls silliness, circus, etc........ is required by every American accept him of course, he should have been proud to display his B.C. as every legitimate American is. Makes one wonder, why the anger???

One last thing then I need to leave this thread before smoke starts coming out of my ears and my heart starts aching even more...

As Christians we are expected to hold a higher standard...and rumors and gossip should in no way be apart of our lives. Scriptures cannot be set aside simply because this is politics..though I see it happening more and more. :( Our conduct must be in line with scriptures..even on subject like this. So me, not winning the popular vote here I am putting forth some reminders for all of us...myself included.

The ninth commandment in the ten says we are to not bear false witness:
Exodus 20:16 (New King James Version)

16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

Exodus 23

1 “You shall not circulate a false report. Do not put your hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness.

Matthew 15:18-19 (New King James Version)

18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.

James 3:6 (New King James Version)

6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by hell.

I could post many more. And Jesus made it clear who our neighbor was too. I really think we need to get off this rumor mill before we sin further. :pray:

God bless

He is clearly agitated by having to provided a much needed document to clear his "good" name, what he calls silliness, circus, etc........ is required by every American accept him of course, he should have been proud to display his B.C. as every legitimate American is. Make one wonder, why the anger???
Yes. There are things that DO make one wonder.

Good night. No matter what he does, it will be the wrong thing. No matter what.

He could have his original birth certificate copied, validated by Mother Theresa if she was still alive and sent to every citizen in the country and still there will be those who won't believe he is a citizen.

Why?

Yes. There are things that DO make one wonder.

Good night. No matter what he does, it will be the wrong thing. No matter what.

He could have his original birth certificate copied, validated by Mother Theresa if she was still alive and sent to every citizen in the country and still there will be those who won't believe he is a citizen.

Why?

His unwillingness to provide it, as if it were a joke by not taking what is required seriously, by dodging and weaving and making excuses, but the answer still stands, why the anger??? as the people he is accountable to us, is he not???

edit: Why you gotta drag good ole Mother Theresa in the mix. :lol:

You left out the first part in that article:

This morning’s White House release of President Barack Obama’s long form birth certificate will, of course, do little to derail the “birther” movement, which will now analyze the document with the kind of verve previously directed toward those Texas Air National Guard memos faxed to CBS from that Kinko’s in Abilene.

So here’s a few nutty points about the birth certificate sure to be seized upon by the nonbelievers:

Then it lists what might be brought up...the author is in no way agreeing with these questions it appears.

Also from the article:
• David A. Sinclair, the M.D. who purportedly signed the document, died nearly eight years ago at age 81. So he is conveniently unavailable to answer questions about Obama’s reported birth. Yep he died on purpose just to avoid these questions! oh my...

Hopefully, he wasn't found dead of suicide in Fort Marcy Park...

:D

His unwillingness to provide it, as if it were a joke by not taking what is required seriously, by dodging and weaving and making excuses, but the answer still stands, why the anger??? as the people he is accountable to us, is he not???

HE DID PROVIDE IT. The legal "short" one that is used by every other citizen in Hawaii.

Why the anger? Are you serious? The mouth breathers are DEMANDING that he (and no one else) provide MORE proof than anyone else. If I was black and had been elected President, I would tell those mouth breathers to get a life - or better yet and education so they could determine fact from fiction.

Make one wonder, why the anger???

Because people are questioning him. NO ONE is supposed to question the Great One!! :P


Anyway, hopefully this topic will go away..........but I think we all know it won't unfortunately.

His name is barack Hussein Obama

He is not really white. Not black either but that isn't an issue for most.

His mother was white and his dad was black.

His mother was an educated liberal.

Of COURSE it won't go away. It's a marvelous way for us good Christians to disguise our prejudices.

may not be genuine:

If the original document was in a bound volume (as reflected by the curvature of the left hand side of the certificate), how can the green patterned background of the document's safety paper be so seamless?

• Why, if Obama was born on August 4, 1961, was the “Date Accepted by Local Reg.” four days later on August 8, 1961?

• What is the significance of the smudges in the box containing the name of the reported attendant?

• David A. Sinclair, the M.D. who purportedly signed the document, died nearly eight years ago at age 81. So he is conveniently unavailable to answer questions about Obama’s reported birth.

• In the “This Birth” box there are two mysterious Xs above “Twin” and “Triplet.” Is there a sibling or two unaccounted for?

• What is the significance of the mysterious numbers, seen vertically, on the document’s right side?

• Finally, the “Signature of Local Registrar” in box 21 may be a desperate attempt at establishing the document’s Hawaiian authenticity. Note to forgers: It is spelled “Ukulele.”

from http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/barack-obama/birth-obama-certer-movement-098513

In case anyone is still wondering why he "didn't do this sooner", here's why: It makes no difference at all.

HE DID PROVIDE IT. The legal "short" one that is used by every other citizen in Hawaii.

Why the anger? Are you serious? The mouth breathers are DEMANDING that he (and no one else) provide MORE proof than anyone else. If I was black and had been elected President, I would tell those mouth breathers to get a life - or better yet and education so they could determine fact from fiction.

Nonetheless he had to provide, he did and he doesn't like it and that's too bad,but the future will tell if it is legitimate or not, Seems you're angrier than he is about the whole of the B.C. debacle, if a Birth Certificate and a S.S.# is required to work, buy a house, car etc.... then he will not be overlooked to provided a much needed document but he should be the example and not whine about it after all he is the president, he should just have manned-up like the rest of us Americans, but no...............

Note to forgers: It is spelled “Ukulele.”




Last name looks like Lee to me.

Tango - he didn't answer the knuckle draggers.

He answered the shyster who is thinking of running for President.

One group believes anything that has "conspiracy" written in it - and no matter what he would have said, it would not have been enough.

The other has the national stage at the moment. Hopefully only for a moment.

... which seemed like an obvious opportunity to score a political point by likening his political opponent to the knuckle draggers who won't accept anything other than a (presumably white and ideally conspiracy theorist) American citizen who can confirm they were present at the exact moment Obama took his first breath.


As you can see from just this thread - it will not silence anything. Which is why I would not have provided people with anything other than what I had provided when I declared my candidacy. But he's him and I'm me.

... which raises the question of why he suddenly considers it useful to produce a document that has no legal weight to silence something that he was quite happy with before. The whole "I don't have time for this silliness now" line suggests he did have time for it earlier.

It still seems to me that the best thing to do is take a position and stick with it, whereas what Obama has done is take a position, stick with it for a while, then take an opposing position and provide something that clearly won't silence the people he apparently wants to silence. Which makes me wonder why the change of heart.

As a Brit it makes almost zero difference to me, I just find it curious.

Nonetheless he had to provide, he did and he doesn't like it and that's too bad,but the future will tell if it is legitimate or not, Seems you're angrier than he is about the whole of the B.C. debacle, if a Birth Certificate and a S.S.# is required by to work, buy a house, car etc.... then he will not be overlooked to provided a much needed document but he should be the example and not whine about it after all he is the president, he should just have manned-up like the rest of us Americans, but no...............

He provided the document WHEN HE DECLARED HIS CANDIDACY.

I am angry - that Christians think it's all fine and dandy to not seek truth about a matter but rather spout rumor and gossip.

And we wonder why people have no desire to hear the "Truth" of the gospel from us. We're viewed as a bunch of wing-nuts who are moon-bat crazy and will vote for anything or anyone as long as it has "right" attached to it.

Gimme a break.

You all win.

He is a Communist.

He is a Socialist.

He is a member of te Muslim Brotherhood.

He is not an American.

He has a hidden agenda to destroy America.

He is not a Christian.

That all sounds so very reasonable.

He provided the document WHEN HE DECLARED HIS CANDIDACY.

I am angry - that Christians think it's all fine and dandy to not seek truth about a matter but rather spout rumor and gossip.

And we wonder why people have no desire to hear the "Truth" of the gospel from us. We're viewed as a bunch of wing-nuts who are moon-bat crazy and will vote for anything or anyone as long as it has "right" attached to it.

Gimme a break.



WHEN HE DECLARED HIS CANDIDACY

No need to yell..... Ok fine you get your break but only for a moment.

• Why, if Obama was born on August 4, 1961, was the “Date Accepted by Local Reg.” four days later on August 8, 1961?

Is that really an issue? It seems to me that a document might have been completed but not submitted right there and then.


• David A. Sinclair, the M.D. who purportedly signed the document, died nearly eight years ago at age 81. So he is conveniently unavailable to answer questions about Obama’s reported birth.

If the doctor had died under suspicious circumstances right before Obama ran that might be a case. But, you know, people die. 81 isn't a bad age to reach and the fact someone can't answer questions about whether they genuinely did sign a document or not doesn't necessarily indicate a conspiracy.

I didn't look at the rest because I'm not from Hawaii and so have no knowledge (and even less interest) relating to the fine details of legal documents.

... which raises the question of why he suddenly considers it useful to produce a document that has no legal weight to silence something that he was quite happy with before. The whole "I don't have time for this silliness now" line suggests he did have time for it earlier.

It still seems to me that the best thing to do is take a position and stick with it, whereas what Obama has done is take a position, stick with it for a while, then take an opposing position and provide something that clearly won't silence the people he apparently wants to silence. Which makes me wonder why the change of heart.

As a Brit it makes almost zero difference to me, I just find it curious.

As if Obama is sitting in the oval office putting serious thought on how to cure the world of irrationality. Even though I disagree on many of his policies, the man actually DOES have better things to do than strategize how best to deal with people who have already decided what to believe. The likeliest scenario is that Obama has people managing this gong show for him.

If there's a change in position, its because the first one doesn't seem to be working. But you're right... shame on them for trying something new in the face of an implacable enemy. The new strategy won't work either. I submit that this is because the problem is not with Obama's strategy, but in people's willingness to be rational. Where people have decided in their hearts what to believe, no strategy to inform will succeed.

As if Obama is sitting in the oval office putting serious thought on how to cure the world of irrationality. Even though I disagree on my of his policies, the man actually DOES have better things to do than strategize how best to deal with people who have already decided what to believe. The likeliest scenario is that Obama people managing this gong show for him.

If there's a change in position, its because the first one doesn't seem to be working. But you're right... shame on them for trying something new in the face of an implacable enemy. The new strategy won't work either. I submit that this is because the problem is not with Obama's strategy, but in people's willingness to be rational. Where people have decided in their hearts what to believe, no strategy to inform will succeed.

Can't rep you but I'll tell you I agree with you here on the public forum.

Since when is there is strategy in truth ???

Since when is there is strategy in truth ???

Obama and his team have been truthful the whole time: He's an American citizen born in Hawaii.

A "strategy" was needed to deal with people who have decided no amount of evidence can attest to that truth. Big mistake in my opinion. He should have left the birthers to be discredited by other rational thinking Americans. Once the conspiracy theorists have you in their crosshairs, there's nothing you can say or do that won't incriminate you further.

Since about Genesis 3, if you are trying to spin the truth....

:D

Obama and his team have been truthful the whole time: He's an American citizen born in Hawaii.

A "strategy" was needed to deal with people who have decided no amount of evidence can attest to that truth. Big mistake in my opinion. He should have left the birthers to be discredited by other rational thinking Americans. Once the conspiracy theorists have you in their crosshairs, there's nothing you can say or do that won't incriminate you further.

Maybe because from the beginning it seemed he had something to hide and he seemed to be avoiding the issue at hand.

This whole birth certificate thing was and still is silly.

Just like all of the silly stuff the left tried to sling at W when he was the pres.

It goes with the job.

This whole birth certificate thing was and still is silly.

Just like all of the silly stuff the left tried to sling at W when he was the pres.

It goes with the job.

Yep, but you'll get no where with this.

Actually the new birth certificate just produced was just shipped in on a UFO. Would have had it sooner but traffic on the far side of the galaxie was terrible.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Actually the new birth certificate just produced was just shipped in on a UFO. Would have had it sooner but traffic on the far side of the galaxie was terrible.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Come to think of it, it does look like a new certificate. :idea:

"I am an Amur-can" groups of troglodyte knuckle-draggers who want to be heard - the militia types and those who stay inside with the drapes drawn glued to the conspiracy theory websites so they can be "special" for once in their miserable lives.

How 'bout you quit beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel? :lol:

This whole birth certificate thing was and still is silly.

Just like all of the silly stuff the left tried to sling at W when he was the pres.

It goes with the job.

/// Why, whatever do you mean? The things said about W were just plain old, flat out lies. What has been said about Obama is true. ///

Sarcasm off now.

Maybe because from the beginning it seemed he had something to hide and he seemed to be avoiding the issue at hand.

It only "seemed" that he had something to hide because people (read: SOME people) decided he was hiding something. We all see what happened when the Certificate of Live Birth was presented didn't we? "FORGERY!" they cried.

Doesn't matter what evidence he presented, when he presented it, or in what quantity he presented it, because to the die-hard birthers evidence has nothing to do with it. Its not about truth, but about justifying hatred.

How 'bout you quit beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel? :lol:

Not really well known for my political correctness. And although most folks say they don't like political correctness, most don't like my "Let her rip" spews.

Me and my BIG mouth. Always has got me into trouble, ya know?

It only "seemed" that he had something to hide because people (read: SOME people) decided he was hiding something. We all see what happened when the Certificate of Live Birth was presented didn't we? "FORGERY!" they cried.

Doesn't matter what evidence he presented, when he presented it, or in what quantity he presented it, because to the die-hard birthers evidence has nothing to do with it. Its not about truth, but about justifying hatred.

You pose a good argument, I especially appreciate the information without the emotional factor. I believe there is truth in what you are saying.

You pose a good argument, I especially appreciate the information without the emotional factor. I believe there is truth in what you are saying.
TAKE ANOTHER JAB BROTHER>

As if Obama is sitting in the oval office putting serious thought on how to cure the world of irrationality. Even though I disagree on many of his policies, the man actually DOES have better things to do than strategize how best to deal with people who have already decided what to believe. The likeliest scenario is that Obama has people managing this gong show for him.

If there's a change in position, its because the first one doesn't seem to be working. But you're right... shame on them for trying something new in the face of an implacable enemy. The new strategy won't work either. I submit that this is because the problem is not with Obama's strategy, but in people's willingness to be rational. Where people have decided in their hearts what to believe, no strategy to inform will succeed.

I'm sure Obama does have people managing this stuff for him, I still don't see what they hoped to gain when it seems one group either believes he was born in the US (or doesn't care one way or the other) and so has no desire to see additional documentation, and the other group won't believe it regardless of what evidence he presents.

Releasing this document won't make any difference to the first group, and the second group are just going to look to pick holes in it anyway because they'll believe anything that proves their viewpoint wrong is probably forged. So I can't figure why he's apparently pandering to a group and playing a game that seems to be a lose-lose scenario however it gets played.

Which leads me back to wondering what he (or his strategists) is hoping to accomplish.

TAKE ANOTHER JAB BROTHER>

No need to yell sister.

No need to yell sister.

I'm not YELLING. I am typing in caps for EMPHASES. You know, like inflections in voice, timber and pitch.

I'm female though, so I would guess I should have no thoughts, only emotions.

You really know the buttons to push, ya know?

I'm not YELLING. I am typing in caps for EMPHASES. You know, like inflections in voice, timber and pitch.

I'm female though, so I would guess I should have no thoughts, only emotions.

You really know the buttons to push, ya know?


It's not always about you V, there are some things we must let go, you know I learned something from you a while back and I have come to the conclusion " don't have any buttons to push" Sorry V.

/// Why, whatever do you mean? The things said about W were just plain old, flat out lies. What has been said about Obama is true. ///

Sarcasm off now.

You do know that I was agreeing with you on this one right?

I think Obama is doing a horrible job as president. But I don't think that because of the asinine concoctions the spin doctors spew out. I think that because of what he's actually doing and what he has said he wants to do.

It's not always about you V, there are some things we must let go, you know I learned something from you a while back and I have come to the conclusion " don't have any buttons to push" Sorry V.
If your post isn't about "me" - then why did you bring "me" up?

Faulty logic. Faulty argument.

You do know that I was agreeing with you on this one right?

I think Obama is doing a horrible job as president. But I don't think that because of the asinine concoctions the spin doctors spew out. I think that because of what he's actually doing and what he has said he wants to do.

Yes, I know. And I'm with you 100%. I disagree with most every policy the man has stood for since taking office.

It makes me both angry and sad to see people go so far over the edge of reason that they accept everything said about a political opponent but scream at the top of their lungs about how unfair it is to say anything at all negative about their personal political darlings.

If your post isn't about "me" - then why did you bring "me" up?

Faulty logic. Faulty argument.

Since you asked here ya go, my past conversations with HisLeast haven't alway been civil and at times he became emotional, but not this time and I appreciated that which opened up the door for me to learn something, also what he had to say was true. Hope that was sufficient.

I guess the big thing with me is why does anyone even give a crap about this stuff? Folks on both sides of the issue getting all bunched up and both sides sounding just as nasty as the other side with their comments. Folks on the left calling the stupid right folks stupid names and folks on the right calling the stupid left folks stupid names and then everyone acting as if their words are on the high road.

Fact... he's president. Don't like him then work harder at the polls in 2012. Like him... work harder at the polls in 2012 because it will likely take that to see him president another four years. Such is politics. But for crying out loud... unwad the underwear. It makes all of us look like morons... both silly sides.

Since you asked here ya go, my past conversations with HisLeast haven't alway been civil and at times he became emotional, but not this time and I appreciated that which opened up the door for me to learn something, also what he had to say was true. Hope that was sufficient.

Thank you. Yes - that does indeed make sense. I would ask that you look at it from my angle as well - you told me I seemed angry. In the next post, you asked me to stop yelling. You then said in the next post it was easier to learn from someone without all the emotion. I hope you can see what I "thought" I saw.

Thanks for clearing that up. I appreciate it!
(((((Hugs)))))
V

I guess the big thing with me is why does anyone even give a crap about this stuff? Folks on both sides of the issue getting all bunched up and both sides sounding just as nasty as the other side with their comments. Folks on the left calling the stupid right folks stupid names and folks on the right calling the stupid left folks stupid names and then everyone acting as if their words are on the high road.

Fact... he's president. Don't like him then work harder at the polls in 2012. Like him... work harder at the polls in 2012 because it will likely take that to see him president another four years. Such is politics. But for crying out loud... unwad the underwear. It makes all of us look like morons... both silly sides.

Yep. Point taken and agreed.

Oh... that would be macaroons, maroons or morans, not morons. Thank you :-)

Thank you. Yes - that does indeed make sense. I would ask that you look at it from my angle as well - you told me I seemed angry. In the next post, you asked me to stop yelling. You then said in the next post it was easier to learn from someone without all the emotion. I hope you can see what I "thought" I saw.

Thanks for clearing that up. I appreciate it!
(((((Hugs)))))
V

I learned this many moons ago
"Show me a person governed by emotions and I'll show you a person unwilling to differentiate right from wrong"

Written by me, for me.

Yep. Point taken and agreed.

Oh... that would be macaroons, maroons or morans, not morons. Thank you :-)

Hush now moron! :lol:

Signed.. Moron

Hush now moron! :lol:

Signed.. Moron

I didn't know V was a Mormon!?!!? :lol:

I didn't know V was a Mormon!?!!? :lol:

Hey - I'm already a Communist/Socialist/Fascist/Red/Tree-hugging/rabble-rousing/self-centered/emotional basket case. Let's add mormon to the list. I like it :-)

Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't various relatives of President Obama state before that Obama was born in Kenya? If this is indeed what his relatives have stated, why the discrepancy? They lied? Why exactly? Were they bribed or blackmailed to do so by powerful Obama haters in order to frame and discredit Obama or something? :confused

Paid by the same folks that offed Vince Foster....

Paid by the same folks that offed Vince Foster....

I admit that you can be humorous at times, but honestly, you really didn't answer anything with this sarcastic reply. I'm under the assumption, and you can feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken, that you believe Obama's relatives lied about him being born in Kenya because they wanted Kenya to be in the limelight as the birthplace of a United States President, despite the fact that it wasn't true? :confused

There's one relative, his paternal grandmother, I believe, who "said" he was born in Kenya, during the course of an interview. As soon as the interviewer asked for details on that, it became clear to her that they'd misunderstood or mistranslated her and she corrected them, more than once.

That's it.

YOU MEAN HE ISN'T A CLOSET MUSLIM BORN IN KENYA!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????

Hopefully, this is finally over.

Now I know what the fuss was over.

Barry senior (DAD) was a black man diddling with an underage white woman in the USA, got her preggers, and got married only 6 months before Barry (JUNIOR) was born. PRESBO was in the oven before mom and dad got hitched.

So what?

If that was all they were hiding, they should have released the certificate when first asked.
I personally still believe his half brother and grandmother who say he was born in Kenya.

There's one relative, his paternal grandmother, I believe, who "said" he was born in Kenya, during the course of an interview. As soon as the interviewer asked for details on that, it became clear to her that they'd misunderstood or mistranslated her and she corrected them, more than once.

That's it.

How do you misunderstand that? What did the interviewer ask the grandmother, "Where was Obama born?" And her response was, what, "He was not born in Kenya?" However, the interviewer somehow thought she said, "He was born in Kenya?" She then corrected him about what she really said? I'm just trying to get a sense of how it was supposedly an "innocent mistranslation."

Paid by the same folks that offed Vince Foster....

Not to derail, but how do you explain the carpet fibers found on the back of Vince Foster's suit -- fibers that matched the carpet that was in Hilliary C.'s office??

I don't know how it exactly got mistranslated, but it's easy to mistranslate something. People get confused, especially with idioms, people misspeak, people mishear, and the more you're trying to listen to, the easier it is.

Not to derail, but how do you explain the carpet fibers found on the back of Vince Foster's suit -- fibers that matched the carpet that was in Hilliary C.'s office??

I could tell you, but then, you would have to say "Howdy" to Vince in person. How do you explain the inexplicable?

:D

I don't know how it exactly got mistranslated, but it's easy to mistranslate something. People get confused, especially with idioms, people misspeak, people mishear, and the more you're trying to listen to, the easier it is.

Well, unless the conversation went like I proposed earlier, which sounds unlikely, I don't see how it could've gotten mistranslated. I suppose if the interviewer asked the grandmother a simple question, "Was Obama born in Kenya?" and she said "No," but the answer somehow came across as "Yes," then there was a horrible translator between the two. How do you mistranslate "No, Obama wasn't born in Kenya" as "Yes, Obama was born in Kenya?" The two answers are diametrically opposed and don't even remotely sound the same. It would be like you asking me if I'm a man and if I like the color blue and I reply in the affirmative but you somehow get that I'm a female and I like pink. Something sounds hokey about the "mistranslation" explanation. :2cents:

I can think of a dozen ways it could have happened.

"Tell me about your grandson's birth."

"When he was born, here in Kenya, we were so excited."

"He was born in Kenya?"

"What? No, we, here in Kenya, were excited."

---

"When your grandson was born, what was it like for you here?"

"In Kenya? We were so excited..."

"He was born in Kenya?"

"What? No, I..."

----

"How did you hear your grandson had been born?"

"Here, in Kenya, we heard when...."

"He was born here in Kenya?"

"What? No....'

----

etc., etc., etc.

I could tell you, but then, you would have to say "Howdy" to Vince in person. How do you explain the inexplicable?

:D

Good question. Can't be done !

I can think of a dozen ways it could have happened.

"Tell me about your grandson's birth."

"When he was born, here in Kenya, we were so excited."

"He was born in Kenya?"

"What? No, we, here in Kenya, were excited."

---

"When your grandson was born, what was it like for you here?"

"In Kenya? We were so excited..."

"He was born in Kenya?"

"What? No, I..."

----

"How did you hear your grandson had been born?"

"Here, in Kenya, we heard when...."

"He was born here in Kenya?"

"What? No....'

----

etc., etc., etc.

I guess I'll have to read or watch the interview, if possible, to be able to come to a conclusion of what I think of it. :2cents:

Full article to be found here, links and all.
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2009/07/23/liddy


In that interview, Sarah Obama does in fact say at one point that she was there for her grandson's birth. But that was a mistake, a confusion in translation. As soon as a jubilant McRae began to press her for further details about her grandson being born in Kenya, the family realized the mistake and corrected him. And corrected him. And corrected him. (The audio is available for download here.)

Here's the pertinent part of the conversation:



MCRAE: Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like to see his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he was born in Kenya?

OGOMBE: Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama was born.

MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.

OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.

Apparently the problem was the word 'present' and its translation. As I said, idioms will get you every time.



MCRAE (interviewer): Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like to see his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he was born in Kenya?

OGOMBE (translator): Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama was born.

MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (to McRae): No! Obama was not born in Mombasa! He was born in America!

MCRAE: Wh-whereabouts, whereabouts was he born? I, I thought he was born in Kenya.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: No he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: OK. Do you know whereabouts he was born?

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: (Pause.) Huh?

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was gonna go by and see where he was born.

(two male voices in background in foreign language speaking at the same time. Mrs. Obama or another woman in background.)

VOICE (background): It was Hawaii.

VOICE OF MRS. OBAMA OR ANOTHER WOMAN (background): Hawaii.

BROTHER TOM (background): Hawaii, yeah?

VOICE OF MRS. OBAMA OR ANOTHER WOMAN (background): Yeah.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (background): Yes.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (to McRae): Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yeah, in 1960 this was Hawaii, where his father, his father was also marrying there. This was Hawaii.

MCRAE: OK.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yeah.

MCRAE: Was, was, was Mrs. Obama, was sh--was she present? Was, was Mrs. Obama, see I thought you said she was present. Was she, was, was she, was she able to see him being, being born in, in Hawaii?

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: (pause, silence) Hoh? (pause) Uh, yeah would you please pronounce?

MCRAE: OK I’m sorry. I, I thought she said she was present when he was born. I was—

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (sounding exasperated): No, no! The, the woman was not present. She was uh not, a what--you see, she was here in Kenya, and Obama was born in America. That is, that’s obvious.

MCRAE: OK.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Because, because the grandmother was married here in Kenya, and Obama was born in America, oh yeah, so his son, the little Obama, was marrying, was marrying, in America, in United States.

MCRAE: Oh, OK, fine. I mean, I--I just, I misunderstood what she was saying. I thought you said she was present when he was born.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: No, not present there. The present with me here was tonight. Not present so she can leave. No she was here in Kenya while he, uh, her son, the little Obama, was marrying in America. And, uh, he be present if it--

WOMAN'S VOICE (background): It was in Hawaii.

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: --was in America there, why are they for, they go, they go, they go to some place, then the present isn't here sir, he was born there in America.

MCRAE: OK. Well tell, tell her I would like to come by and see her when I am there in December. I would love to, uh, meet her personally and pray with her.

Why on earth did he wait this long? :hmm:

If all this could have been taken off the table long ago.... What was the point of waiting?

Because the hospital in Kenya wouldn't release them.:D

A little suspicious it took this long....

Why on earth did he wait this long? :hmm:

If all this could have been taken off the table long ago.... What was the point of waiting?

Because silly...it would have been silly to release the danged thing way back then!

Silly you, for asking. ;)

A little suspicious it took this long....

As I said from the start.... doesn't matter when it was released. The certificate of live birth was released as soon as the birther movement started getting steam. We all see how that went didn't we?

The only thing I find suspicious is people's unwillingness to accept a tale with absolutely no evidence (birth in Kenya) in place of a reality presented by the preponderance of evidence.

Okay folks. Not only is this getting old quick but stale too. Thread Closed