I think people need to lay off of Obama about the whole sea burial issue. I don't understand why people are continuing to drag it out!!!

I think people need to lay off of Obama about the whole sea burial issue. I don't understand why people are continuing to drag it out!!!

It would have been "dragged out" a lot worse if the body had been preserved somewhere, believe me.
Thank God someone made the wise choice to dump the dirty remains in the sea....Even the radical Islamics are going to find it hard to disagree with a burial that is so "Islamic". :P

I personally think it should become the standard grave site for all Islamic radical terrorists.
My only reservation is the horrible thought that due to the flesh eating sea scavengers this type of Islamic trash may get into the human food chain. :rofl:

Faithful

I think people need to lay off of Obama about the whole sea burial issue. I don't understand why people are continuing to drag it out!!!

Lets face reality. In the good ole days, we had local news for 30 minutes in the morning then 30 minutes in the evening. We then had national news for 30 minutes after that. We now have 24 hour news networks and talk radio networks that require 10 to 12 hours of programming per day. There Just AIN THAT MUCH TO TALK ABOUT. They spend way too much time on things that should be minor and they report things that should never be reported.

My only reservation is the horrible thought that due to the flesh eating sea scavengers this type of Islamic trash may get into the human food chain. :rofl: I don't think God considers a human being made in His own image to be trash.

I don't think God considers a human being made in His own image to be trash.

God may or may not think he was trash, but I sure think he was. He was a murdering thug who died while still planning more murders. If he is not "trash" then all the stuff in the County dump is 24K gold. The man was evil. He is dead. I am happy.

No offence E4L, but it's these threads that drag it on, and btw there was no burial at sea and if there were it was an empty coffin.

No offence E4L, but it's these threads that drag it on, and btw there was no burial at sea and if there were it was an empty coffin.

Nope... it's posts like that that drag it on and on and on....

Nope... it's posts like that that drag it on and on and on....

So we make a thread for no posts to be made???, oxymoron is an option I guess.

No, I just don't understand the compulsive need to post a position you have absolutely no evidence for.

No, I just don't understand the compulsive need to post a position you have absolutely no evidence for.

And you do???............

The POTUS said so, Osama's daughter said so, Pakistan said so, Al Qaeda said so, and DNA said so.

Now please provide your list of people that think otherwise that has first hand knowledge of the event.

The POTUS said so, Osama's daughter said so, Pakistan said so, Al Qaeda said so, and DNA said so.

Now please provide your list of people that think otherwise that has first hand knowledge of the event.

Believe the word of who obama??? that's just another bad joke.

Believe the word of who obama??? that's just another bad joke.

OK, so you don't believe Obama. So what about the rest of the people and governments and organizations that say he is dead?

Believe the word of who obama??? that's just another bad joke.

So you honestly believe that there is a conspiracy afoot that involves Obama, Osama Bin Laden's relatives, Pakistan, and Al Qaeda? Seriously???

OK, so you don't believe Obama. So what about the rest of the people and governments and organizations that say he is dead?

They will reluctantly follow (believe) the commander in chief, like us.

So, Osama bin Laden's daughter is a follower of Barack Obama?

That somewhat strains the bounds of credibility.

FANTASTIC!!! I was unaware that Al Qaeda would submissively follow Obama.

So, Osama bin Laden's daughter is a follower of Barack Obama?

That somewhat strains the bounds of credibility.

I agree, sorta like when "obama been lyin" (his new name) was pro-choice in front of a pro-choice crowd and pro-life in front of a pro-life crowd, yeah that's same credibility or lack thereof I'm talking about.

Its not like Obama just declared that the sea burial was the official story. Its the story of everyone involved in the operation from the men on the ground all the way up to the President. Some of the people in that chain may not even be democrats, or even Obama flavored democrats so its quite an act of dissonance for me to believe that many people got together and gained uniform agreement on a made up story.

Its not like Obama just declared that the sea burial was the official story. Its the story of everyone involved in the operation from the men on the ground all the way up to the President. Some of the people in that chain may not even be democrats, or even Obama flavored democrats so its quite an act of dissonance for me to believe that many people got together and gained uniform agreement on a made up story.

If obama gave the word on what to say and what to do, I think that says it all.

If obama gave the word on what to say and what to do, I think that says it all.

I don't understand what this means.

Its not like Obama just declared that the sea burial was the official story. Its the story of everyone involved in the operation from the men on the ground all the way up to the President. Some of the people in that chain may not even be democrats, or even Obama flavored democrats so its quite an act of dissonance for me to believe that many people got together and gained uniform agreement on a made up story.

Well the fact that 9/11 was covered up by literally thousands upon thousands of individuals, you'd think this would be a whole lot easier.:rolleyes:

Well the fact that 9/11 was covered up by literally thousands upon thousands of individuals, you'd think this would be a whole lot easier.:rolleyes:

You tell me :idea:...........


All I'm saying is I don't believe anything obama is saying concerning everything, you can believe whatever you want, with absolutely no proof but his word which isn't worth a bag of marbles.

Then you offer a plausible explanation as to why so many people that are in opposition to each other all agree that he is dead. Just one.

Then you offer a plausible explanation as to why so many people that are in opposition to each other all agree that he is dead. Just one.

And I need to why??? I don't need to give "a plausible explanation" as to not believing obama, he's the president unfortunately of this once great country, you see FF all you have is his word and I do not believe his word, it's just that simple and if you're having trouble swallowing that jagged little pill I am truly sorry.

Al Jazeera is owned and operated by Obama? Hmmm - I didn't know that.

Al Jazeera is owned and operated by Obama? Hmmm - I didn't know that.

Believe you me there's a lot you don't know and don't want to know and wouldn't believe it when it does surface, does that surprise you???

And I need to why??? I don't need to give "a plausible explanation" as to not believing obama, he's the president unfortunately of this once great country, you see FF all you have is his word and I do not believe his word, it's just that simple and if you're having trouble swallowing that jagged little pill I am truly sorry.

Well the funny thing is he has way more than Obama's word, because way more people than just Obama are corroborating the story.

Well the funny thing is he has way more than Obama's word, because way more people than just Obama are corroborating the story.

If the president told many to say the same thing to the masses then the masses believe.

Then you offer a plausible explanation as to why so many people that are in opposition to each other all agree that he is dead. Just one.

The same reason people believe Kennedy was shot by multiple gunmen. People want to believe crack pot junk so bad, they close their eyes to the evidence.

If the president told many to say the same thing to the masses then the masses believe.

Not everyone telling this story answer to or identify with President Obama.

Shall we just insert the Illuminati at this point?

No. Hitler.


Nanananaaaana.

The same reason people believe Kennedy was shot by multiple gunmen. People want to believe crack pot junk so bad, they close their eyes to the evidence.

Exactly, show us the proof don't "tell" us the proof!!! but he can't because there is no proof (evidence). Simply show us.



Sorry guys I can't believe him, this is obama we're talking about here.

Exactly, show us the proof don't "tell" us the proof!!! but he can't because there is no proof (evidence). Simply show us.

One form of evidence would be the multiple unrelated parties corroborating the story. However, the conspirists simply right this off as Obama's divine influence magically welding jaws shut, or forcing all tongues to sing in unison.

One form of evidence would be the multiple unrelated parties corroborating the story. However, the conspirists simply right this off as Obama's divine influence magically welding jaws shut, or forcing all tongues to sing in unison.

His, do you believe obama ???

You wouldn't believe it if Obama FedEx'ed Osama's body to your doorstep...

You wouldn't believe it if Obama FedEx'ed Osama's body to your doorstep...

There's nothing to FedEx.

Based on what? You have yet to show ANY reason at all to believe that.

His, do you believe obama ???

I believe Barrack Obama to be telling the truth on this matter, because of the multiple parties (even those opposed to him) corroborating the story. I'll hold this position until I hear better evidence to the contrary. By "better", I mean something a little more substantive than "I don't like Obama, therefore he must be lying".

Exactly, show us the proof don't "tell" us the proof!!! but he can't because there is no proof (evidence). Simply show us.

What is the proof? Should Obama have put his body on public display at ground zero for everyone to come personally view? That really would not have helped me too much because I have never seen the man in person so seeing him dead and comparing him to a video image of him would have been pretty worthless to me. I work homocides quite regularly that it takes me several hours to identify people I know pretty well. People shot in the head just really do not look like themselves. I am sure the CIA could have rounded up someone who was the spitting image of Bin Laden, put a couple bullets in his face; then said we killed Bin Laden. My point is if the Govt. wanted to hoax the killing of Bin Laden, providing a body or pictures for public viewing would not have been a problem. I personally think if they wanted to hoax the killing, they would have bombed the compound to gravel and turned everyone inside into hamburger meant. Then they could have easily said "this pile of hamburger meat is Bin Laden." That way, if he ever re-appeared, they would have a good reason how it happened.

No. Hitler.


Nanananaaaana.

You realize by Godwinning this, you lose the argument? :P

A terrorist group 'follow (believe) the commander in chief, like us."? I understand the government/all politicians lie and have lied, and have done terrible coverups(criminal behavior). I believe it is reasonably possible in this case that there is no coverup. They may have taken him prisoner and lied about it-that is a reasonble possiblity, and they would not want anyone to know about it, due to osama being rated a high value intelligence target. The untold damage already done with all the information collected in his compound, and the possibilities of what information that could be gleaned from talking to him. But, I am sure that they realized that if they brought him back that he would be entitled to a trial, and he would become an even greater symbol for his terror group, and they would probably wreak devastating , murderous, havoc to get him back. In the field he is still a legitimate combat target. Evaluating all the possiblities and outcomes, the present one presented by the administration is the best one. End it now and move on to the intelligence gathered in his compound. Besides, they already know that in the end, any intelligence gained from his mouth would not be trustworthy, even under torture. Torture can force whatever you want a person to say, but you cannot make a person tell you the truth. I would like to add, before Jesus, we were all trash just like bin laden. Reluctantly, I have to admit, he is a child of God as much as we are. I am can no longer cause distruction, but there is no joy in killing, just necessity. Remember David was not allowed to build the Temple because he was a man who shed blood in war. And David was beloved.

I believe Barrack Obama to be telling the truth on this matter, because of the multiple parties (even those opposed to him) corroborating the story. I'll hold this position until I hear better evidence to the contrary. By "better", I mean something a little more substantive than "I don't like Obama, therefore he must be lying".

And you are entitled to believe whatever he says, I do not believe him, it's just that simple, liking or not liking obama has nothing to do with his creditability to me, so I hope you can give me the same respect I give you.


FF, Based on what? You have yet to show ANY reason at all to believe that.

Neither have you, just the word of a man, were you there??? did you see??? I think not!!!

What is the proof? Should Obama have put his body on public display at ground zero for everyone to come personally view? That really would not have helped me too much because I have never seen the man in person so seeing him dead and comparing him to a video image of him would have been pretty worthless to me. I work homocides quite regularly that it takes me several hours to identify people I know pretty well. People shot in the head just really do not look like themselves. I am sure the CIA could have rounded up someone who was the spitting image of Bin Laden, put a couple bullets in his face; then said we killed Bin Laden. My point is if the Govt. wanted to hoax the killing of Bin Laden, providing a body or pictures for public viewing would not have been a problem. I personally think if they wanted to hoax the killing, they would have bombed the compound to gravel and turned everyone inside into hamburger meant. Then they could have easily said "this pile of hamburger meat is Bin Laden." That way, if he ever re-appeared, they would have a good reason how it happened.

Please get real for a moment, just some proof other than his word, try to keep it simple.

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Please get real for a moment, just some proof other than his word, try to keep it simple.

Don't want to sound like a broken record here, but it bares repeating that it isn't just Obama telling this story.

I agree, sorta like when "obama been lyin" (his new name) was pro-choice in front of a pro-choice crowd and pro-life in front of a pro-life crowd, yeah that's same credibility or lack thereof I'm talking about.
Hold up. Not to derail the circular thread, heh, but when has Obama, who had like a 100% rating from NARAL, ever, ever, ever not been pro-choice? In front of ANYONE?

Please get real for a moment, just some proof other than his word, try to keep it simple.

What proof should they release?
Photo? Skeptics will say it was altered.
Put seal team 6 on television for interviews? That would compromise their effectiveness if they did that.

Put seal team 6 on television for interviews? That would compromise their effectiveness if they did that.

Not to mention we're already seeing the dismissal of all corroborating testimony, as if Obama is a puppeteer making everyone else's mouth move.

You're right, if the teleprompter says it then it must be true :lol:

You're right, if the teleprompter says it then it must be true :lol:

Yeah. All Obama can manage to say without one is UMMMM.........UMMMMM......UUUGH............... and then make a bunch of hand gestures.

Don't get me wrong Mighty Sword. I can not stand Obama. I would vote for the Cookie monster for president before I would vote for Obama. Having said that, I am 100% convinced the U.S. either killed Bin Laden or has him at a secret location interrogatng him and will kill him when we are done. Either way, I am not bothered.

Yeah. All Obama can manage to say without one is UMMMM.........UMMMMM......UUUGH............... and then make a bunch of hand gestures.

Don't get me wrong Mighty Sword. I can not stand Obama. I would vote for the Cookie monster for president before I would vote for Obama. Having said that, I am 100% convinced the U.S. either killed Bin Laden, or has him at a secret location interrogatng him and will kill him when we are done. Either way, I am not bothered.


And the possibilities are what I believe as well, did they see him?? yes!!! did they capture??? yes!!! did they kill him and send him off in the wild blue yonder??? if so someone will take his body from the sea unless there is a 24 hr guard and I doubt that, it sounds all too convenient for me. Could I be wrong??? oh yeah I could be, but I doubt it.

And the possibilities are what I believe as well, did they see him?? yes!!! did they capture??? yes!!! did they kill him and send him off in the wild blue yonder??? if so someone will take his body from the sea unless there is a 24 hr guard and I doubt that, it sounds all too convenient for me. Could I be wrong??? oh yeah I could be, but I doubt it.

Half the reason they dumped the body in the sea in the first place is the practical impossibility of finding it.
No body for our enemies to parade with.
No place to put a shrine to honor his memory.
He's just gone.

Half the reason they dumped the body in the sea in the first place is the practical impossibility of finding it.
No body for our enemies to parade with.
No place to put a shrine to honor his memory.
He's just gone.

Gone I believe, where is my question and I won't buy that it's the sea.

Gone I believe, where is my question and I won't buy that it's the sea.

And what evidence makes you believe so strongly that it is not the sea?

And what makes you believe so strongly that its not the sea?

It all sounds too fast and too convenient as if another agenda is the works, as a former criminal (not proud to say) I have my doubts when I see a possible ulterior motive being played out.

Boy, I sure hope that President Obama does announce tomorrow that "it has been determined that the sun will rise in the east tomorrow," because, since everything he says is a lie, that's going to really mess things up.

Proof that you can fool some of the people all of the time, you can fool all of the people some of the time, you can't ever fool all the people all the time, but some people are fools all the time.

And the possibilities are what I believe as well, did they see him?? yes!!! did they capture??? yes!!! did they kill him and send him off in the wild blue yonder??? if so someone will take his body from the sea unless there is a 24 hr guard and I doubt that, it sounds all too convenient for me. Could I be wrong??? oh yeah I could be, but I doubt it.

I seriously doubt any of his followers have the deep water recovery equipment to find, let alone pluck him from the deep.

It all sounds too fast and too convenient as if another agenda is the works,
How quick and inconvenient is disposing of a body normally?

What other agenda?

I seriously doubt any of his followers have the deep water recovery equipment to find, let alone pluck him from the deep.

Just because we doubt something doesn't mean it's not attainable. And why chance it??? they won't, would you??? The way I see it is he was been kept at the compound for such a time as this.

Just because we doubt something doesn't mean it's not attainable. And why chance it??? they won't, would you??? The way I see it is he was been kept at the compound for such a time as this.

Whether he is alive or not is not important to me. What is important is that we either have killed him, or we have him interrogating him and will kill him when we are done. Either way, Bin Laden will never be seen again.
I would say the chances of recovering him from the depths of the ocean are about 1 in 100 trillion. I used to be on a dive team, and many times it took us days to recover bodies from small ponds. As far as ocean recovery, it is hard to find a large ship with a magnetometer and sonar. Finding a body? For all practical purposes, Impossible. I would be willing to bet the area he was dropped is under surveilance from space and the U.S. Navy would arrive quickly if a research ship showed up in the area.

Whether he is alive or not is not important to me. What is important is that we either have killed him, or we have him interrogating him and will kill him when we are done. Either way, Bin Laden will never be seen again.
I would say the chances of recovering him from the depths of the ocean are about 1 in 100 trillion. I used to be on a dive team, and many times it took us days to recover bodies from small ponds. As far as ocean recovery, it is hard to find a large ship with a magnetometer and sonar. Finding a body? For all practical purposes, Impossible. I would be willing to bet the area he was dropped is under surveilance from space and the U.S. Navy would arrive quickly if a research ship showed up in the area.

I understand where you are coming from If I wanted to believe so badly I would justify it as well, but I can't justify a belief and I don't believe he is dead, I believe he was kept there for a while now and the right time presented itself, like a re-election or whatever.

I understand where you are coming from If I wanted to believe so badly I would justify it as well, but I can't justify a belief and I don't believe he is dead, I believe he was kept there for a while now and the right time presented itself, like a re-election or whatever.

Could we possibly stop with the insults?

People who believe that he's dead don't believe so because they just believe anything Obama says or because they need to justify what they WANT to believe or etc. They may believe it because they've thought about it and based on the evidence they see, they've decided that's what they believe to be true.

As you have given no reason why you believe he's NOT dead, besides that Obama said so, I don't see the justification for the condesension and nastiness.

Could we possibly stop with the insults?

People who believe that he's dead don't believe so because they just believe anything Obama says or because they need to justify what they WANT to believe or etc. They may believe it because they've thought about it and based on the evidence they see, they've decided that's what they believe to be true.

As you have given no reason why you believe he's NOT dead, besides that Obama said so, I don't see the justification for the condesension and nastiness.

Save your false accusations, I could say the same thing but I'm not going to because I've been here going on two years and everyone knows me and my heart so go accuse the mirror and be careful.

Knock it off or I'll lock the thread.

Knock it off or I'll lock the thread.


I got a handle on it, thanks.

I understand where you are coming from If I wanted to believe so badly I would justify it as well, but I can't justify a belief and I don't believe he is dead, I believe he was kept there for a while now and the right time presented itself, like a re-election or whatever.

I personally think they lied about their intel, but I do not really think Obama was saving it for the election. Just a couple days before Bin Laden was killed, I heard a report from Israel about al-Qaeda. It said it had within the last few days split into two factions. The majority faction went with Bin Laden's former #2 man. About 1/3rd remained with Bin Laden, and about 20 % had not committed to either. My guess is the rival dropped the dime on Bin Laden to solidify his hold on al-Qaeda.

I personally think they lied about their intel, but I do not really think Obama was saving it for the election. Just a couple days before Bin Laden was killed, I heard a report from Israel about al-Qaeda. It said it had within the last few days split into two factions. The majority faction went with Bin Laden's former #2 man. About 1/3rd remained with Bin Laden, and about 20 % had not committed to either. My guess is the rival dropped the dime on Bin Laden to solidify his hold on al-Qaeda.
Interesting theory. Are they more or less dangerous if they are divided? Which faction has the greater funding?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Interesting theory. Are they more or less dangerous if they are divided? Which faction has the greater funding?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I would say less dangerous divided. They would have eventually wasted their resources fighting themselves.