(CNN) – Harold Camping is sticking to his apocalyptic guns.

In his first radio broadcast since his doomsday prediction failed to pan out (http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/22/life-goes-on-doomsday-believers-on-the-morning-after/)in a spectacularly public fashion, the California preacher insisted his was an error of interpretation, not fact.

What's more, he has another calculation for the day the world will end - October 21, 2011.

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"We've always said October 21 was the day," Camping said during his show. "The only thing we didn't understand was the spirituality of May 21. We're seeing this as a spiritual thing happening rather than a physical thing happening. The timing, the structure, the proofs, none of that has changed at all."

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http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/23/doomsday-leader-flabbergasted-that-the-end-didnt-arrive/?iref=allsearch

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I did not see that one coming. :o:o

Silly me.

If I were him I would be on my knees begging for mercy for the damage caused.

Try as I might to be merciful towards the guy a remark like that angers me. I guess he is saying that him and his followers spent millions on billboards and ads for the May 21st date when they knew all along it was Oct 21st? It's the theater of the absurd,man.


If I were him I would be on my knees begging for mercy for the damage caused. especially when you hear reports of the mother who tried to kill her two daughters and then herself. What about the mockery and defamation of Jesus and his church? Garbage like this affects us all. I tell you I weep over the state of the body of Christ :cry: We are so divided that any heretic can stand up and proclaim anything and some innocent sheep will follow him. There is no accountability from outside our own movements,streams and denominations.It's like anything goes and everything is OK.

Come quickly Lord Jesus!

Try as I might to be merciful towards the guy a remark like that angers me. I guess he is saying that him and his followers spent millions on billboards and ads for the May 21st date when they knew all along it was Oct 21st? It's the theater of the absurd,man.

Come quickly Lord Jesus!

If I recall correctly, he predicted the rapture May 21st, and the end of the world on October 21st. I honestly don't understand why he is soo insistent that he knows it, again, seeing as he was just wrong, again.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13516796

Try as I might to be merciful towards the guy a remark like that angers me. I guess he is saying that him and his followers spent millions on billboards and ads for the May 21st date when they knew all along it was Oct 21st? It's the theater of the absurd,man.

especially when you hear reports of the mother who tried to kill her two daughters and then herself. What about the mockery and defamation of Jesus and his church? Garbage like this affects us all. I tell you I weep over the state of the body of Christ :cry: We are so divided that any heretic can stand up and proclaim anything and some innocent sheep will follow him. There is no accountability from outside our own movements,streams and denominations.It's like anything goes and everything is OK.

Come quickly Lord Jesus!

You said it brother, this is absurd, hes trying to tell us they knew it waney going to end on may 21st but rather oct 21st. How does he still have followers?

If I recall correctly, he predicted the rapture May 21st, and the end of the world on October 21st. I honestly don't understand why he is soo insistent that he knows it, again, seeing as he was just wrong, again.

4th time lucky.

Does anyone know the discombobulated method he used to make his predictions? Is it some variation on Miller's old calculations or does he have some new "revelation"

Speaking of Billboards, there are actually a couple here posted up in Delaware still. Through traveling I have noticed 2 already. I wonder how long they'll take until they remove the ads, maybe until Oct. 21.

(CNN) – Harold Camping is sticking to his apocalyptic guns.

In his first radio broadcast since his doomsday prediction failed to pan out (http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/22/life-goes-on-doomsday-believers-on-the-morning-after/)in a spectacularly public fashion, the California preacher insisted his was an error of interpretation, not fact.

What's more, he has another calculation for the day the world will end - October 21, 2011.

....

"We've always said October 21 was the day," Camping said during his show. "The only thing we didn't understand was the spirituality of May 21. We're seeing this as a spiritual thing happening rather than a physical thing happening. The timing, the structure, the proofs, none of that has changed at all."

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http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/23/doomsday-leader-flabbergasted-that-the-end-didnt-arrive/?iref=allsearch

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I did not see that one coming. :o:o

Silly me.

The man is a nut case. I have not really even wasted any time keeping up with what he said. If someone is date setting, I am not going to even waste my time reading their speculation.

This guy is a joke!!! I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope that people will wake up and will STOP sending him their money.

So, do you think that since the world is ending on Oct. 21st, if someone sends him a post-dated check, that he will still accept it?! I'd be interested to know if he would keep them or send them back because he is SURE the world is ending that day

Speaking of Billboards, there are actually a couple here posted up in Delaware still. Through traveling I have noticed 2 already. I wonder how long they'll take until they remove the ads, maybe until Oct. 21.

It would seem unlikely that they might have paid for them to be up much past the original date.. I would be surprised if they stayed up long.

One thing too often missing from these threads in the Breaking News forum is a discussion of the spiritual component of the story.

What agenda might the deceiver have, and what prophetic element might we be seeing in all of this.

Promoting the mocking and scoffing is certainly one aspect of this...

2 Peter 3:3-4 (New King James Version)

3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.”

What do you see?

Speaking of Billboards, there are actually a couple here posted up in Delaware still. Through traveling I have noticed 2 already. I wonder how long they'll take until they remove the ads, maybe until Oct. 21.

Billboards are strange creatures. If you "buy" a billboard for say, a month you get that month. IF no one else buys the billboard after your contract is over, then your message stays up until the board is sold again.

Ok, one more time:

Mr. Camping is a cult leader. His cult leadership is dependent on the financial support of his followers. He's not going to shoot his own cash cow.

The media will squeeze every ounce of juice from this dude to besmeerch all Christians.

The battle here is spiritual, not temporal, IMHO.

Harold Camping is a false prophet. I think this should be well known by now. If he wasn't, his predictions would have come to pass. However, even the Bible says that no one knows the day or the hour of the Second Coming and Judgment.

Watch therefore, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. But know this, that if the householder had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have watched and would not have let his house be broken into. Therefore you also must be ready; for the Son of man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
(Matthew 24:42-44 RSV)

Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour. "For it will be as when a man going on a journey called his servants and entrusted to them his property; to one he gave five talents, to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away. He who had received the five talents went at once and traded with them; and he made five talents more. So also, he who had the two talents made two talents more. But he who had received the one talent went and dug in the ground and hid his master's money. Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, 'Master, you delivered to me five talents; here I have made five talents more.' His master said to him, 'Well done, good and faithful servant; you have been faithful over a little, I will set you over much; enter into the joy of your master.' And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, 'Master, you delivered to me two talents; here I have made two talents more.' His master said to him, 'Well done, good and faithful servant; you have been faithful over a little, I will set you over much; enter into the joy of your master.' He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, 'Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you did not winnow; so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here you have what is yours.' But his master answered him, 'You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sowed, and gather where I have not winnowed? Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. So take the talent from him, and give it to him who has the ten talents. For to every one who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away. And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness; there men will weep and gnash their teeth.'
(Matthew 25:13-30 RSV)

Watch therefore--for you do not know when the master of the house will come, in the evening, or at midnight, or at cockcrow, or in the morning-- lest he come suddenly and find you asleep.
(Mark 13:35-36 RSV)

You also must be ready; for the Son of man is coming at an unexpected hour."
(Luke 12:40 RSV)

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.
(2 Peter 3:10 RSV)

Remember then what you received and heard; keep that, and repent. If you will not awake, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come upon you.
(Revelation 3:3 RSV)

("Lo, I am coming like a thief! Blessed is he who is awake, keeping his garments that he may not go naked and be seen exposed!")
(Revelation 16:15 RSV)

The media will squeeze every ounce of juice from this dude to besmeerch all Christians.

The battle here is spiritual, not temporal, IMHO.

Agreed,

Might part of the effect be to encourage Christians to distance themselves from any mention of the Lord's return? Think the verses from 2 Peter might apply?

Agreed,

Might part of the effect be to encourage Christians to distance themselves from any mention of the Lord's return? Think the verses from 2 Peter might apply?

Come soon, Lord Jesus. Amen.

Agreed,

Might part of the effect be to encourage Christians to distance themselves from any mention of the Lord's return? Think the verses from 2 Peter might apply?

Depends on what your talking about in 2 Peter, it isnt all about the return of Christ.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

If Harold Camping STILL has followers after the 1994 and the recent May 21st prophecy, they must be the most gullible and stupid people on this Earth.

If Harold Camping STILL has followers after the 1994 and the recent May 21st prophecy, they must be the most gullible and stupid people on this Earth.

And here I thought the folks that followed Jim Jones held that record....

They obviously pull in a lot of money, indirectly or not, with this sort of stuff.

Makes you wonder. I personally can't figure how anyone can sit and listen to anything this ministry teaches. Most discombobulated nonsense in the media, and I know the bar has been set extra high lately.

If I recall correctly, he predicted the rapture May 21st, and the end of the world on October 21st. I honestly don't understand why he is soo insistent that he knows it, again, seeing as he was just wrong, again.

This, too, is what I understood. May 21st was to be the Rapture for the "true believers" of Jesus Christ and October 21st is Judgement Day (end of the world, Armageddon, etc.) for the rest of the world.

This ministry actually believes and teaches that the church age has ended some time ago. His recent predictions included a massive earthquake. His changing the date to October is no different than similar explanations after similarly failed predictions in 2004.

The conundrum concerning his rapture predictions involves his still being here. (he stated to his staff that he would not be back).

One of his outstanding tenets is that he is, exclusively, a prophet and interpreter of Biblical prophecies. Without his pronouncements, we remain in the dark.

And he is not the only one who had made such failed prophecies very recently, claiming that it would be impossible for them to not be absolutely accurate.

Not to be a wise-guy at all, I think this is a symptom of a form of psychosis, and it shows that fewer and fewer believers have had the benefit of structured, church-centered Bible education and are more inclined to position theirselves before that Boob-Tube or Internet than to engage actively in the flesh and blood fellowship of Eph 4, 1Cor 12.

If Harold Camping STILL has followers after the 1994 and the recent May 21st prophecy, they must be the most gullible and stupid people on this Earth.
And here I thought the folks that followed Jim Jones held that record....True, but the Jim Jones followers are no longer 'on the Earth'.

Agreed,

Might part of the effect be to encourage Christians to distance themselves from any mention of the Lord's return? Think the verses from 2 Peter might apply?

That encouragement is definitely found externally. Internally however, its far worse than it ever was to either test or ask questions related to any "prophetic" message. This will only lead to more Campings.

(CNN) – Harold Camping is sticking to his apocalyptic guns.

In his first radio broadcast since his doomsday prediction failed to pan out (http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/22/life-goes-on-doomsday-believers-on-the-morning-after/)in a spectacularly public fashion, the California preacher insisted his was an error of interpretation, not fact.

What's more, he has another calculation for the day the world will end - October 21, 2011.

....

"We've always said October 21 was the day," Camping said during his show. "The only thing we didn't understand was the spirituality of May 21. We're seeing this as a spiritual thing happening rather than a physical thing happening. The timing, the structure, the proofs, none of that has changed at all."

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And did you really expect anything different? This guy is going to continue to predict the end of the world until he gets it right or he is dead (I expect the latter will happen first). The one thing he will never do is admit that he was a fraud all along.

I can't find anything new written at his web site to explain his revised beliefs. So I listened to one of his "open forums" where he answers questions from callers.

A few callers were very critical, calling him a liar and false prophet. But most others had a submissive and fawning tone. Very sad.

I took a few brief notes while I listened:

On 5/21, God's salvation plan came to an end.
Though no physical evidence.
Proofs and signs of the times. Nothing changed.
Misunderstood some passages because looked at physically, not spiritually.
The overall framework has not been modified one iota.
He [Camping] fulfilled the prophesy of preaching the gospel to the entire world.
Don't jump to hasty conclusions. It will take time of study.
God's judgment fell upon the church, and no one in the church could get saved. This began on May 21, 1988. Satan rules the churches, the Holy Spirit absented himself.
Final endgathering began Sept 1994.
No more salvation. The sun is darkened, so is the moon. No more light. The stars falling from heaven are all the false believers. But then says we have no idea who God will save, because we don't know if they are elect. Some of the elect may not be saved today? Some people are saved but are not aware of it.
But he won't say no one can be saved. "this is a difficult and complex question". So the day of salvation has come, but he doesn't know what it means.


So in short, May 21 was some sort of spiritual rapture, with no physical evidence. The entire earth has been judged, now awaiting final destruction on Oct 21.

Some asked if this means no one can be saved. He doesn't know, says it needs further study. Not quite ready to say that, but it follows from his conclusion that judgment was rendered on everyone May 21. Few asked really difficult questions.

My impression is he has a planetary size ego. He is immune to any criticism. This new belief makes no sense to me, but we'll hear more as he figures it out.

So I suppose Oct 21 will be a spiritual destruction for which, like the spiritual judgment that occurred on May 21, there will be no evidence.

This poor man needs to get saved.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I can't find anything new written at his web site to explain his revised beliefs. So I listened to one of his "open forums" where he answers questions from callers.

A few callers were very critical, calling him a liar and false prophet. But most others had a submissive and fawning tone. Very sad.



I took a few brief notes while I listened:

On 5/21, God's salvation plan came to an end.
Though no physical evidence.
Proofs and signs of the times. Nothing changed.
Misunderstood some passages because looked at physically, not spiritually.
The overall framework has not been modified one iota.
He [Camping] fulfilled the prophesy of preaching the gospel to the entire world.
Don't jump to hasty conclusions. It will take time of study.
God's judgment fell upon the church, and no one in the church could get saved. This began on May 21, 1988. Satan rules the churches, the Holy Spirit absented himself.
Final endgathering began Sept 1994.
No more salvation. The sun is darkened, so is the moon. No more light. The stars falling from heaven are all the false believers. But then says we have no idea who God will save, because we don't know if they are elect. Some of the elect may not be saved today? Some people are saved but are not aware of it.
But he won't say no one can be saved. "this is a difficult and complex question". So the day of salvation has come, but he doesn't know what it means.
So in short, May 21 was some sort of spiritual rapture, with no physical evidence. The entire earth has been judged, now awaiting final destruction on Oct 21.

Some asked if this means no one can be saved. He doesn't know, says it needs further study. Not quite ready to say that, but it follows from his conclusion that judgment was rendered on everyone May 21. Few asked really difficult questions.

My impression is he has a planetary size ego. He is immune to any criticism. This new belief makes no sense to me, but we'll hear more as he figures it out.

So I suppose Oct 21 will be a spiritual destruction for which, like the spiritual judgment that occurred on May 21, there will be no evidence.

So basically he is saying anyone past 1988 who is alive, except himself, because he is the only one with the Holy Spirit right? or does even he have the Holy Spirit in his own thoughts? Anyways anyone past 1988 is not going to join the Lord, the Holy Spirit is the God given gaurentee that Christ will raise us at His second coming, all of Christ's have the Holy Spirit, if you dont have it, you dont have the gaurentee. So noone has the gaurentee to him.

Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let everyone of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.” (Acts 2:38)

“Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.” (1 Corinthians 6:19)

“Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?” (1 Corinthians 3:16)

“If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.” (1 Corinthians 3:17)

“But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.” (Romans 8:9)

“But if the Spirit who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.” (Romans 8:11)

“And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.” (Ephesians 4:30)

“Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God, who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a deposit.” (2 Corinthians 1:21)

“In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.” (Ephesians 1:13)

“Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.” (2 Corinthians 5:5 )