Have been hearing, seeing things that are demonic in nature for several years. Have had many pray, but this continues. Tried medications, zero effect. These voices say that this is an ancestral chain letter, and will soon afflict one of my children. They are blasphemous against God and Jesus, they physically afflict me. They keep me up most nights claiming devil-worshippers are involved. I see the both transparent appirations and physical beings, some appear to look normal, but many look evil. They know the future. They are both truthful and liars. Although I cannot stand to live with this condition, my hope is that you will pray for my children and grandchildren that this is not passed on to them as these voices claim. These voices claim that they are "phsycological operational specialists,"
and that this is a Murder/Suicide as well as a chain letter. I trust in Jesus Christ regardless, but know this to be an overwhelmingly evil situation, I can literally feel the evil from it, it is overpowering. In researching blogs from many schitzophrenics online, I see they are experiencing much of the same. I truly know that this is demonic. I know what scripture says, I just try to hold on.

Have been hearing, seeing things that are demonic in nature for several years. Have had many pray, but this continues. Tried medications, zero effect. These voices say that this is an ancestral chain letter, and will soon afflict one of my children. They are blasphemous against God and Jesus, they physically afflict me. They keep me up most nights claiming devil-worshippers are involved. I see the both transparent appirations and physical beings, some appear to look normal, but many look evil. They know the future. They are both truthful and liars. Although I cannot stand to live with this condition, my hope is that you will pray for my children and grandchildren that this is not passed on to them as these voices claim. These voices claim that they are "phsycological operational specialists,"
and that this is a Murder/Suicide as well as a chain letter. I trust in Jesus Christ regardless, but know this to be an overwhelmingly evil situation, I can literally feel the evil from it, it is overpowering. In researching blogs from many schitzophrenics online, I see they are experiencing much of the same. I truly know that this is demonic. I know what scripture says, I just try to hold on.

This sounds awful Cindy.
How old are you?
Are you currently on any medications?
Of course I will pray for your children and grandchildren. I am honored to do so.
My name is Jennie, Cindy.

I see and hear these things also but I don't live in fear of them because I do trust God. Faith is the opposite of fear. No chain letter has greater power than God. No ancestral ANYTHING has greater power than God! It doesn't matter what people did 200 years ago that I never even met! The only thing that has power over MY life are the things I do and the things I believe and the decisions I make! It's my life!

I think you're believing something that is a flat-out lie, and you're giving it power (inside yourself) that it doesn't have (in reality).

Question: If you believe you have some form of schizophrenia going on, are you under the care of a doctor for this?

I see and hear these things also but I don't live in fear of them because I do trust God. Faith is the opposite of fear. No chain letter has greater power than God. No ancestral ANYTHING has greater power than God! It doesn't matter what people did 200 years ago that I never even met! The only thing that has power over MY life are the things I do and the things I believe and the decisions I make! It's my life!

I think you're believing something that is a flat-out lie, and you're giving it power (inside yourself) that it doesn't have (in reality).

Question: If you believe you have some form of schizophrenia going on, are you under the care of a doctor for this?

Sometimes things happen that make it impossible to believe its schizophrenia. One day they were threatening to give me a "heart attack" and I laughed it off until my heart started beating out of my chest. Something was manipulating my heart and it was beating with irregular rhythms. I was in a resting state and I wasn't stressed. It happened on numerous occasions and the critters even tried to get me to pray to Lucifer afterwards. I was trained as an EMT and I'm pretty sure schizophrenia can't do that. One time I happened to be close to someone who could take my pulse and blood pressure. Now, I personally believe the devil needed special permission from God's throne to do that.

But that and some other occurrences make it impossible to listen to a professional and hear him or her tell me its all in my head. I'm sure there's cases where that's true but in my case I firmly believe I'm being mixed in. That's not to say that I discontinued treatment...I need all the help I can get. But sometimes that occasional intrusion of the medical community just makes it one more battle to fight. I understand that they're firm with their beliefs because they know people hurt themselves and others and they do serve a purpose because its always better to be safe than lose a life. Sometimes medication does help.


Lets not forget that this stuff was in the bible and many of Jesus' miracles were with the oppressed. I can understand why a person might fear this because a human alone has no way of defeating satan. It takes reliance on God and claiming Jesus' victory because I believe thats why this is happening...to draw us closer to him. When we turn our fear of Satan into disgust for Satan and sinning and honor and fear God we receive the full blessing of God's love and power.

Cindy...just curious...have you tried fasting yet?

I was trained as an EMT and I'm pretty sure schizophrenia can't do that.

No but anxiety and stress can do all kinds of numbers on a person, and the enemy loves to just feed into that. It's not the voices, it's the reaction to them. If you're grounded in the Lord and a person of peace, then the enemy can yak all he wants all day long and you will just continue to focus on God.

How often did Jesus have to say "don't be afraid"? How many times does He have to say it, until we choose to obey and to not be afraid even though our feelings tell us to fear and be anxious? Who are we listening to? Who reigns supreme within us? God's words? Or the enemie's lies?

Choose who you're going to serve. Choose who you're going to trust. Choose who is trustworthy enough to be listened to, and submitted to, believed, and obeyed. You are either going to believe what the Bible says and what God says, or you're going to continue to spin your wheels and be made crazy by every lie the enemy throws at you.

God gives you His peace. You can choose to give it away, or not. Nobody can take it away. You give it, or you keep it. I prefer to keep mine. :)

John 14:1
“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God ; believe also in me."

John 14:27
Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

No but anxiety and stress can do all kinds of numbers on a person, and the enemy loves to just feed into that. It's not the voices, it's the reaction to them. If you're grounded in the Lord and a person of peace, then the enemy can yak all he wants all day long and you will just continue to focus on God.

How often did Jesus have to say "don't be afraid"? How many times does He have to say it, until we choose to obey and to not be afraid even though our feelings tell us to fear and be anxious? Who are we listening to? Who reigns supreme within us? God's words? Or the enemie's lies?

Choose who you're going to serve. Choose who you're going to trust. Choose who is trustworthy enough to be listened to, and submitted to, believed, and obeyed. You are either going to believe what the Bible says and what God says, or you're going to continue to spin your wheels and be made crazy by every lie the enemy throws at you.

God gives you His peace. You can choose to give it away, or not. Nobody can take it away. You give it, or you keep it. I prefer to keep mine. :)

John 14:1
“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God ; believe also in me."

John 14:27
Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

Too many times I would think I had the power to defeat evil alone and it was simply a matter of fighting back but it is really God that sustains us and gives us strength. I was talking about pride.

I actually think our points go hand and hand. I agree stress isn't helpful.

They tried that devil worshiper stuff with me too. Trust that God will always protect you. Its hard to trust but He loves you that much.

Devil worshipers are disillusioned sinners. Don't let them get you to think they have any power. Satan would just assume destroy them too but they should really fear God.

As for satan...this is how I view him: he's better off repenting because each day his punishment gets a little worse for his sins. He knows that but he thinks he can sneak a little glory away from God before his time comes. Jesus was victorious over him at the cross because we can be redeemed.

Have been hearing, seeing things that are demonic in nature for several years. Have had many pray, but this continues. Tried medications, zero effect. These voices say that this is an ancestral chain letter, and will soon afflict one of my children. They are blasphemous against God and Jesus, they physically afflict me. They keep me up most nights claiming devil-worshippers are involved. I see the both transparent appirations and physical beings, some appear to look normal, but many look evil. They know the future. They are both truthful and liars. Although I cannot stand to live with this condition, my hope is that you will pray for my children and grandchildren that this is not passed on to them as these voices claim. These voices claim that they are "phsycological operational specialists,"
and that this is a Murder/Suicide as well as a chain letter. I trust in Jesus Christ regardless, but know this to be an overwhelmingly evil situation, I can literally feel the evil from it, it is overpowering. In researching blogs from many schitzophrenics online, I see they are experiencing much of the same. I truly know that this is demonic. I know what scripture says, I just try to hold on.

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Cindy, resist the Devil, and he will flee from you.
Be dressed in the Armor of God.... Make sure that you have a living relationship with God..... Read your Bible and pray, every day... memorize scripture, memorize scripture,memorize scripture....... so that when these attacks come, you have the Sword of the Spirit (Memorized scripture) that you can have to defend and attack .....
Greater is God who is IN you through the Holy Spirit, than the devil who is in the world.
In your walk, praise God, occupy your mind with songs of praise to God
Pray and sing scripture,,, helps with the memorizing of the scriptures

Are you the kind of person that can deal with something from a friend over a complete stranger? I am. If you are I found a poem you might find helpful.

Before Jesus was arrested he prayed that "this come be taken from me." The cup was referring to the suffering he would endure. This poem is about the cups we take from God on a daily basis that are the hassles of life...

From His Hand

I will not take that bitter thrust which rent my heart today
as coming from an earthly soul though it was meant that way.
But I will look beyond the tool because my life is planned
I take the cup my Father gives; I take it from HIS hand.

He knows and even thus allows these little things that urk.
I trust his wisdom and his love let patience have her work.

Though Human means have brought the sting I firmly take this stand.
My loving father holds the cup; I take it from HIS hand.

Now those who watch me wonder why these things do not disturb.
I look right past the instrument and see my Lord superb.

The trial which would lay me low must pass through his command.
He holds the out stretched cup to me; I take it from HIS hand

Any time I see or hear something strange happening I say: "Lord, I take this cup from you" because all things good or evil must pass through His throne.

Obviously its also important to sing praises and pray during those times. Jeremy Camp's "You never let Go" is a good one.

As for satan...this is how I view him: he's better off repenting because each day his punishment gets a little worse for his sins.

There's nothing in scripture that indicates God made a provision for salvation for Satan and his demons. I believe the likely reason, though scripture doesn't explicitly indicate so, is that they have no desire to repent. They are completely hardened, by their own choice, against God and rebel against Him, knowing full well they will suffer in hell forever because of it.

There's nothing in scripture that indicates God made a provision for salvation for Satan and his demons. I believe the likely reason, though scripture doesn't explicitly indicate so, is that they have no desire to repent. They are completely hardened, by their own choice, against God and rebel against Him, knowing full well they will suffer in hell forever because of it.

Doesn't the bible consider it a sin to turn someone astray? I don't believe the bible states he has received his final judgment yet. He won't have a chance to live in Heaven but God could reduce his punishment. But I'm sidetracking because we all know the future that is in-store for him.

There's nothing in scripture that indicates God made a provision for salvation for Satan and his demons. I believe the likely reason, though scripture doesn't explicitly indicate so, is that they have no desire to repent. They are completely hardened, by their own choice, against God and rebel against Him, knowing full well they will suffer in hell forever because of it.


We all want a utopia but we know in the end its not going to happen. Not until Jesus returns and removes the curse and reins with perfect judgement and love. But now I'm really sidetracking.

I believe we are suppose to abhor him for not making that choice. He's blinded by hatred and pride. Because God created him he is powerful but we don't have to fear him because God is with us. Its not a david destroys goliath story. Its a goliath destorys david story because they're not equals. God is infinity bigger and He fights the battle we can't always see.

My apologies for derailing the thread.

i had all this hapen to me its a lie from satan ,satan is the father of all lies ,declair to satan that he is real and true then decliar that you believe in the heavenly father holy spirit and jesus christ it should stop then. i had to do the same then it all stoped .keep on doing so it should stop .one more thing declair that your soul belongs to the heavenly father that satan cant have your soul . tell satan that your soul mind and body is in heaven and it belongs to god not to satan .a lot of christians deny that satan is real they are only willing to acept that jesus is real and that satan doesnt exist .that is the reason satan disturbs so many chritians cause satan is trying to prove himself to you. that he is real .tell satan that you know he is real and true ,and then say that god and jesus and the holy spirit is real and true it should go away ,tell satan that god has given you a peacefull sound mind .

I don't believe satan wants people to believe he's real. He hides behind sins and would much prefer us to believe our troubles are our own. Its like having a nasty brand name to a food product...you don't put the brand name on the box if people won't buy it.

On top of the voices I hear and the thoughts I get I also suffer from chronic depression, anxiety, restlessness and fatigue. Its gotten so bad some days I stopped worrying about how bad it would get and started being thankful to the Father for the times it was bearable. I heard something the other day that seems to have some validity: "What if you woke up tomorrow and only had what you were prayerfully thankful for?"

I thank God for the times I can stand to live. I pray and thank God for the blessings of even a cool breeze, daily nourishment, and spiritual rest.

I like using the story of the other two men on the cross. One of them kept demanding that Jesus show his might and power and deliver himself and him out of their situation but the other kept saying he deserved his punishment for is crimes.

Well, I really don't know about you but I deserve my punishment for my sins. Thats not to say I don't want this off of me but I do see why God allowed it to happen. Believing you deserve your punishment doesn't mean it will continue. God isn't cruel like that. God loves the poor spirit. The ones that are humble yet forgiven.

if satan doesnt want us to know that he is real and true he wouldnt be showing us all these nightmares ,dreams and visions there are some demons that dont want to reviel themselves to us humans and then there are the wons that like to show themselves to humans .if you know anything about satans kindom or the underworld you would know there are many spiritaul forces at work ,so be mindful you are a very blessed person to have seen satans kindom yet you deny that satan exist .satan wont leave you until you admit that satan exist like i said iv been through the same thing i prase the lord jesus evryday ,confess all your sins to GOD . not to the pastor of the church ,i pray for a relese in your mind body and soul in the name of the farther son and the holy spirit amen .

god doesnt punish humans he loves us so much god is love ,love is god

god doesnt punish humans he loves us so much god is love ,love is god

Perhaps punishment was a poor word choice. I do believe my demonic oppression is a result of sin that left an open door for satan so by saying that I really mean to say my oppression is a repercussion of sin. This can't happen to just anyone and you have to wonder why God would give satan permission. In my specific instance I think God used evil to bring me to him. That's my theory anyway.

God is love but he's also a judge. He decides in our best interest even when we're not our own best advocate. God allowing this to happen to me probably saved my eternal life. Now thats love.

Deleted because I was sidetracking OP

david states for ye i walk through the shadow of death or the valley of death ,in my situation god sent me into darkness to gain life experiences in order so i could guide and lead others out of oppression and bring them to the lord jesus christ through my experiencess .usally when you have experianced certan things in life people will listen to you and they will come to the lord jesus it is just a matter of having patients with people and staying calm .example jesus teachers peter the apostle patients when peter runs to jesus and says how many times do i need to forgive people ,ive already forgiven 7 times jesus answers and says forgive them 7x77 times jesus indicates to be humble and patient with people thats how people will come to the lord and be loved buy our lor jesus . were getting off topic here now this lady neds help .shes not a poor lady she is blessed and rich ,she has jesus and the holly spirit that what i call wealth .amen

david states for ye i walk through the shadow of death or the valley of death ,in my situation god sent me into darkness to gain life experiences in order so i could guide and lead others out of oppression and bring them to the lord jesus christ through my experiencess .usally when you have experianced certan things in life people will listen to you and they will come to the lord jesus it is just a matter of having patients with people and staying calm .example jesus teachers peter the apostle patients when peter runs to jesus and says how many times do i need to forgive people ,ive already forgiven 7 times jesus answers and says forgive them 7x77 times jesus indicates to be humble and patient with people thats how people will come to the lord and be loved buy our lor jesus . were getting off topic here now this lady neds help .shes not a poor lady she is blessed and rich ,she has jesus and the holly spirit that what i call wealth .amen

vlad, that's equivalent to saying people have cancer so we can find a cure for cancer. I agree with you though anyone who has Jesus is blessed.

Cindy, have you experienced thoughts coming into your mind that offend you?

Doesn't the bible consider it a sin to turn someone astray? I don't believe the bible states he has received his final judgment yet. He won't have a chance to live in Heaven but God could reduce his punishment. But I'm sidetracking because we all know the future that is in-store for him.

Satan and his demons are not in hell yet, this is true. That's future. They are allowed, for the time being, to roam the earth and they cause what evil they can, but they are destined for hell and they know it. The demons, in at least one scripture, had asked Jesus if He had come to torment them before "the appointed time." They know where they are going. The Bible also says the lake of fire is prepared for Satan and his angels. There is no getting out of that punishment for them. There has been no provision for salvation for fallen angels. I don't know that there is a possibility to have "lesser punishment" in hell. Hell doesn't seem like a good place, period. Even if there is lesser punishment in hell, Satan and his demons seem to have no desire to repent for the evil they've done. As for the poster that started this thread, all I can say is to continue to seek God for relief from this demonic affliction. Perhaps God is allowing it to occur for a reason. It's a testing of faith, endurance, and reliance on God for the poster, perhaps. Also, the poster needs to realize that the Devil is a liar and most, if not all, of what he says is a lie. Just tune him out and rely on God. The Devil is a bully and wants to cause fear, worry, and doubt. Satan is at war with God and man. Don't let him have a victory. :2cents:

Perhaps I've been a little rough with you Cindy and for that I apologize. These are just some of the things I've come to realize going through my own battle. I'm not saying I have the truth but when I realized these things it helped me cope with a lot of it.

God loves you and he shows it. He's very much in control of everything. He's not helpless and this isn't foreign to Him. Everyone has their own roads and my road has been rough by my own description but when I look back and picture God planning every moment I smile because I realize who I was before and how much he loved me. This was a divine intervention for me even though it sadly came in the form of satan. Satan might do things to you but God is very much in control of every second. He won't give you anything you can't handle. Satan has his own intentions but he's powerless to fulfill half of what he wants to. He's forced to work by God's agenda and because of that this might actually benefit you.

God loves on a massive scale. I compare my situation to a morphine addict. You can give a morphine addict another hit of morphine to subside his withdrawal or you can help him get through his withdrawal so he or she won't have to suffer anymore. Thats God's love to me in this instance. Sometimes he answers our prayers and gives us that new house that we want but sometimes he takes a more meaningful route. The end result can't be bought for nothing. Its priceless to feel that loved by the God who created the earth with his hands.

God bless

- Toner

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I heard a pastor compare God and evil to two gears. Where one gear turns the other. You hear about someone getting murdered but what you don't hear is the family came to God and one of them was saved in the turmoil and renewed. You hear about someone getting raped but what you don't hear is the rapist came to God and spent the rest of his life in ministry. You hear about a tragic story but what you don't hear is how it affected the person who read the news article. Satan obviously doesn't intend for it to be this way but its because everything works by God's agenda. The ultimate goal is to save whats most valuable which is eternal life.

Now don't get me wrong. I'm not saying you shouldn't be trying to do everything you can to get this off of you. Because God loves you you deserve freedom. These people have been giving you some good advice to "resist the devil and he will flee from you." Do everything you can to resist the devil's temptations and just leave it all in God's hands.

I think you know this but don't do anything they say to prevent a supposed threat against your children or family. That probably pulls at your heart strings but they wouldn't have said it if it wasn't a lie. I don't have children but they used my own life and my close family to give me stress so I would make poor mistakes. God is in control.

One of the biggest problems I face is my willingness to follow Christ changes throughout the day. This is really like living in a state of chaos because so much stuff gets thrown at you throughout the day. Mental illness or not, I can't help but always be stuck thinking about God from the moment I wake up to when I fall asleep because theres that actual voice in my head constantly reminding me of religion.

Sometimes I acknowledge my feelings but other times God graces me with the ability to know what I know and ignore my feelings. One of the ways I've combated this is I listen to Christian music almost every second of my free time. Even when I don't feel like it I'm listening because its that constant positive talk about God and us that keeps my mind level.

Have been hearing, seeing things that are demonic in nature for several years. Have had many pray, but this continues. Tried medications, zero effect. These voices say that this is an ancestral chain letter, and will soon afflict one of my children. They are blasphemous against God and Jesus, they physically afflict me. They keep me up most nights claiming devil-worshippers are involved. I see the both transparent appirations and physical beings, some appear to look normal, but many look evil. They know the future. They are both truthful and liars. Although I cannot stand to live with this condition, my hope is that you will pray for my children and grandchildren that this is not passed on to them as these voices claim. These voices claim that they are "phsycological operational specialists,"
and that this is a Murder/Suicide as well as a chain letter. I trust in Jesus Christ regardless, but know this to be an overwhelmingly evil situation, I can literally feel the evil from it, it is overpowering. In researching blogs from many schitzophrenics online, I see they are experiencing much of the same. I truly know that this is demonic. I know what scripture says, I just try to hold on.

This is far more common that people want to admit.

The main demonic entity behind this is one called Lilith. Bind her for a start. There are others but they normally need to be invoked through necromancy.

The main objective behind poltergeist activity is recruitment to the occult. Look back for a trigger, what started all this off.

Have been hearing, seeing things that are demonic in nature for several years. Have had many pray, but this continues. Tried medications, zero effect. These voices say that this is an ancestral chain letter, and will soon afflict one of my children. They are blasphemous against God and Jesus, they physically afflict me. They keep me up most nights claiming devil-worshippers are involved. I see the both transparent appirations and physical beings, some appear to look normal, but many look evil. They know the future. They are both truthful and liars. Although I cannot stand to live with this condition, my hope is that you will pray for my children and grandchildren that this is not passed on to them as these voices claim. These voices claim that they are "phsycological operational specialists,"
and that this is a Murder/Suicide as well as a chain letter. I trust in Jesus Christ regardless, but know this to be an overwhelmingly evil situation, I can literally feel the evil from it, it is overpowering. In researching blogs from many schitzophrenics online, I see they are experiencing much of the same. I truly know that this is demonic. I know what scripture says, I just try to hold on.

Dealing with voices has to be done scripturally. Testing the spirit is one of the most important things we are instructed to do.


1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


If the voices do not agree with the Gospel of Jesus Christ, then the authority of Christ is available for those who are redeemed to the Father. That authority is used for binding that false spirit, and asking the Lord to loose His true spirit. The
void left when the demon is bound needs the spirit of the Lord so that this type of thing can be avoided..


Mat 12:44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
Mat 12:45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

Dealing with voices has to be done scripturally. Testing the spirit is one of the most important things we are instructed to do.



If the voices do not agree with the Gospel of Jesus Christ, then the authority of Christ is available for those who are redeemed to the Father. That authority is used for binding that false spirit, and asking the Lord to loose His true spirit. The
void left when the demon is bound needs the spirit of the Lord so that this type of thing can be avoided..

Even the greatest spiritists admit on their death beds they still have no way of discerning spirits. The spiritual realm is more confusing than we can imagine. My voices told me to pray and said many things that seemed convincing that they must be "good" spirits. I don't want to over-credit demons because in the end they all play by God's agenda but its nothing we alone can take on ourselves. There are evil spirits and less seemingly evil spirits but they're all demons.

I would be lying if I said I didn't fall into the trap myself but I've learned since then.

I've tried the 1 John 4:1-2 test but I agree with my bible teacher that I probably did more harm by talking to them than anything.

They've done sinful things to my body that no angel would do so I already knew what I was "dealing" with.

This is for Cindy,

My bible teacher is student of biblical symbolism and prophecy and he basically said the devil doesn't know the future. Yes, he knows his fate and he probably knows vague events of the future that God tells him but he doesn't know the future. He's also probably aware of the world events by what his demons tell him but he is NOT omniscient. When a horoscope does prove to be right its probably a coincidence or a test by God for that person.

Too many times they've tried to tell me exactly how I was going to die and I don't care. Thats God's appointment with me.

True Prophecy / False Prophecy

The receiving of a prophecy is by nature a supernatural experience. But a supernatural experience in itself does not mean it is of God. The Buddhists have their prophets who receive prophecies that encourage the path to the Buddhist enlightenment. The Hindus have their prophets that provide the encouragement for the development of ones Karma and soul. The Muslims have their prophets that encourage the Jehad and demolition of the infidels. The witches and wiccans have their prophets that provide access to their spirit guides. The pagans have their high priests and prophets that commune and pass on instructions from their respective god pantheons. Be it Zeus or Jupiter or Thor etc. Then you just have the spirit mediums and fortunetellers that do the same thing with familiar spirits that pose as departed loved ones or whatever.

However when it comes to Christianity or Judaism things get a little more complicated. The demonic entities are no longer acting in defence and encouragement of a particular worldly faith but are in an attack stance so as to corrupt and subvert a covenant faith in such a way as to produce an alternative to the true that can be used to deceive the saints and draw them into an alternative faith that looks like the biblically inspired covenant faith but is promoting a different God and a different Jesus. Yes it uses all the right terminology and is steeped in hyper religiosity but does not lead into a real salvation or a real reconciliation with the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

The writers of the New Testament had already come into contact with this deception and they gave a name to it, The Spirit of the Antichrist.



1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

G500
ατιριστος
antichristos
an-tee'-khris-tos
From G473 and G5547; an opponent of the Messiah: - antichrist.


Basically the same deceiving demons that had come against the Old Covenant and corrupted Judaism and had gained control over the pharisees, where now starting to do the same thing with the way or the early church comprising Christianity of the New Covenant. Just as the priest of the second temple had been so corrupted in their understanding and practices, to the point where Jesus referred to them as complete hypocrites, so the demons were trying to do the same thing with the early church and corrupt their doctrine as well.



Luk 11:39 And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness.
Luk 11:40 Ye fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also?
Luk 11:41 But rather give alms of such things as ye have; and, behold, all things are clean unto you.
Luk 11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Luk 11:43 Woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye love the uppermost seats in the synagogues, and greetings in the markets.
Luk 11:44 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them.


Well this of course raises the question of what is the difference between the true prophecy and the false prophecy if both are supernatural in origin. Well the answer lies in who it is that is giving the prophetic word. From the Christian perspective the True prophecy comes from the kingdom of God and the false comes from the kingdom of Satan. Demons are quite happy to be very religious and are in fact the deities behind all the worlds Pagan and other alternative religions. But there remains only one real God and that is the one that established the covenant faiths as found in the scriptures as in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He has sent his only Begotten Son Jesus to redeem us at Calvary and set him up as the King over all of the creation.



Psa 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Psa 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Psa 2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
Psa 2:11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.


So the next question is just how do we establish that the prophecies we are receiving are actually coming from the Kingdom of God and not an alternative source. The writers of the New Testament faced this question as well and left us instructions on how to do this. The first is to test the spirit that is giving the prophecy directly as in when the spirit starts to deliver the prophecy and the other is to judge the fruits produced or intended to be produced by that prophecy as compared to the scriptures themselves. Are they in line with the Great Commission given to the Saints to accomplish while awaiting our Lord Jesus return.



1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1Jn 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jn 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jn 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.


Now lets look at the Mechanics behind that instruction. A lot of saints disregard this because they cannot see how asking a deceiving spirit to confess that Jesus has come in the flesh is going to force them to reveal themselves. But the process involved is far simpler than it would appear and this is not the only question available either.

A false spirit of prophecy is here to deliver a deception. When you are asking these questions you are placing them in a position where they are being required to affirm and confirm already established biblical truths, the very ones they are required to draw us away from. By asking these questions we catch them between a rock and a hard place as they cannot confirm the truths associated with Christ with out compromising the deceptions they were sent to introduce to us.

Has Jesus Come in the flesh
Does Jesus now sit at the right hand of God on high.
Is God the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
Is Jesus king of Kings and Lord of Lords
Is Jesus the lamb that takes away the sins of the world.
Is salvation to be found only in the name of Jesus who shed his blood for us and is now seated at the right hand of God.
Is Jesus the Christ

The list can be added to yourselves. All you need is known biblical truths that has to be confirmed as true and that can only be affirmed by the spirit that comes from Gods throne of grace. The scriptures instruct us to do this, If the prophetic spirit is from God it will comply very readily. If it is not it will resist in some way or pull away.

The same principle can be applied to people as well



2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.


You simply apply the same list of Biblical truths and compare what a false Apostle is teaching or enforcing to what the bible says. I know quite a few that will not affirm that simple list I put together and they will be the first to teach that the spirit of prophecy is not to be tested this way even though the instruction in the scriptures is perfectly clear. And when you go look at their fruit you can see it produces bitter results. A very obvious modern example is the oneness doctrine, How can Jesus be seated at the right hand of God if he is God. Right off the batt you see who has drifted off into the false. And as expected they will be the very ones that discourage the testing of the spirit of prophecy with excuses like it is disrespectful etc. Then it is the same group that will promptly start giving out prophecies of the different incarnations of God such as Melchisedec which is so obviously wrong but it shows which spirit of prophecy they are listening to. The false. And through religiosity they will bully whom they can into following them. Rotten fruit!

If there is one thing the church really needs now it is the true prophecies from Gods thrown of Grace being delivered to the saints, not the false. We have been instructed how to test so why are we not doing it. Is it any wonder there is such a falling away and so much Cynicism on display in the body.

True Prophecy / False Prophecy

The receiving of a prophecy is by nature a supernatural experience. But a supernatural experience in itself does not mean it is of God. The Buddhists have their prophets who receive prophecies that encourage the path to the Buddhist enlightenment. The Hindus have their prophets that provide the encouragement for the development of ones Karma and soul. The Muslims have their prophets that encourage the Jehad and demolition of the infidels. The witches and wiccans have their prophets that provide access to their spirit guides. The pagans have their high priests and prophets that commune and pass on instructions from their respective god pantheons. Be it Zeus or Jupiter or Thor etc. Then you just have the spirit mediums and fortunetellers that do the same thing with familiar spirits that pose as departed loved ones or whatever.

However when it comes to Christianity or Judaism things get a little more complicated. The demonic entities are no longer acting in defence and encouragement of a particular worldly faith but are in an attack stance so as to corrupt and subvert a covenant faith in such a way as to produce an alternative to the true that can be used to deceive the saints and draw them into an alternative faith that looks like the biblically inspired covenant faith but is promoting a different God and a different Jesus. Yes it uses all the right terminology and is steeped in hyper religiosity but does not lead into a real salvation or a real reconciliation with the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

The writers of the New Testament had already come into contact with this deception and they gave a name to it, The Spirit of the Antichrist.



Basically the same deceiving demons that had come against the Old Covenant and corrupted Judaism and had gained control over the pharisees, where now starting to do the same thing with the way or the early church comprising Christianity of the New Covenant. Just as the priest of the second temple had been so corrupted in their understanding and practices, to the point where Jesus referred to them as complete hypocrites, so the demons were trying to do the same thing with the early church and corrupt their doctrine as well.



Well this of course raises the question of what is the difference between the true prophecy and the false prophecy if both are supernatural in origin. Well the answer lies in who it is that is giving the prophetic word. From the Christian perspective the True prophecy comes from the kingdom of God and the false comes from the kingdom of Satan. Demons are quite happy to be very religious and are in fact the deities behind all the worlds Pagan and other alternative religions. But there remains only one real God and that is the one that established the covenant faiths as found in the scriptures as in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He has sent his only Begotten Son Jesus to redeem us at Calvary and set him up as the King over all of the creation.



So the next question is just how do we establish that the prophecies we are receiving are actually coming from the Kingdom of God and not an alternative source. The writers of the New Testament faced this question as well and left us instructions on how to do this. The first is to test the spirit that is giving the prophecy directly as in when the spirit starts to deliver the prophecy and the other is to judge the fruits produced or intended to be produced by that prophecy as compared to the scriptures themselves. Are they in line with the Great Commission given to the Saints to accomplish while awaiting our Lord Jesus return.



Now lets look at the Mechanics behind that instruction. A lot of saints disregard this because they cannot see how asking a deceiving spirit to confess that Jesus has come in the flesh is going to force them to reveal themselves. But the process involved is far simpler than it would appear and this is not the only question available either.

A false spirit of prophecy is here to deliver a deception. When you are asking these questions you are placing them in a position where they are being required to affirm and confirm already established biblical truths, the very ones they are required to draw us away from. By asking these questions we catch them between a rock and a hard place as they cannot confirm the truths associated with Christ with out compromising the deceptions they were sent to introduce to us.

Has Jesus Come in the flesh
Does Jesus now sit at the right hand of God on high.
Is God the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
Is Jesus king of Kings and Lord of Lords
Is Jesus the lamb that takes away the sins of the world.
Is salvation to be found only in the name of Jesus who shed his blood for us and is now seated at the right hand of God.
Is Jesus the Christ

The list can be added to yourselves. All you need is known biblical truths that has to be confirmed as true and that can only be affirmed by the spirit that comes from Gods throne of grace. The scriptures instruct us to do this, If the prophetic spirit is from God it will comply very readily. If it is not it will resist in some way or pull away.

The same principle can be applied to people as well



You simply apply the same list of Biblical truths and compare what a false Apostle is teaching or enforcing to what the bible says. I know quite a few that will not affirm that simple list I put together and they will be the first to teach that the spirit of prophecy is not to be tested this way even though the instruction in the scriptures is perfectly clear. And when you go look at their fruit you can see it produces bitter results. A very obvious modern example is the oneness doctrine, How can Jesus be seated at the right hand of God if he is God. Right off the batt you see who has drifted off into the false. And as expected they will be the very ones that discourage the testing of the spirit of prophecy with excuses like it is disrespectful etc. Then it is the same group that will promptly start giving out prophecies of the different incarnations of God such as Melchisedec which is so obviously wrong but it shows which spirit of prophecy they are listening to. The false. And through religiosity they will bully whom they can into following them. Rotten fruit!

If there is one thing the church really needs now it is the true prophecies from Gods thrown of Grace being delivered to the saints, not the false. We have been instructed how to test so why are we not doing it. Is it any wonder there is such a falling away and so much Cynicism on display in the body.

Um. For me anyway....no. I don't need to test a spirit that commits blasphemy.

I've asked them many questions such as "Did Jesus come in the flesh?" and a few times they found a way to say yes....somehow.

If an "Angel" seemed to appear in my bedroom dressed in white cloth telling me how wonderful I am... I would cast it out.

That generational chain letter part in the OP is what convinced me because they kept telling me this was about "linage." I realize that's also discerning a spirit but its better to assume they're evil than to open yourself up. Everytime you talk to them you run the chance of screwing something up. That's why I can't stand to hear their voice because it bugs me how dangerous that is.

I had two encounters where I thought I was in the presence of a messenger of God. A blast of bright light as bright as burning magnesium appeared in my room and my heart got shocked. That's my impression of what an angel encounter would be...not of prophecy but of judgment. (ananias and sapphira)

I can't speak for anyone else though.

The problem with hearing demonic voices is its not like any other situation. No one can hear or see whats going on and correct you. You're literally in an entirely different world and you have no idea who or what you're listening to and what they're trying to do.

I know this is a dark subject that many don't like talking about but I think this problem will only increase in the future. And speaking from my experience some of the cases are the real thing.

One voice actually claimed to be Jesus and another claimed to be the anti-Christ in the flesh. Another voice keeps calling me "son." I don't want to credit them because they're just a black dot on a huge white piece of paper that is God but they're so much smarter than we are. Having pride in thinking you can discern on your own without that gift given to you is like going to war without armor.

I'm sure if they thought long enough they could say: "Sure...I'm of the God of a random Jacob or Isaac"

One voice actually claimed to be Jesus and another claimed to be the anti-Christ in the flesh. Another voice keeps calling me "son." I don't want to credit them because they're just a black dot on a huge white piece of paper that is God but they're so much smarter than we are. Having pride in thinking you can discern on your own without that gift given to you is like going to war without armor.

I'm sure if they thought long enough they could say: "Sure...I'm of the God of a random Jacob or Isaac"

We either believe what the scriptures say, and do what God commands or not. Anyone who thinks they hear from God had better be testing the spirits and make sure that they confirm the whole Gospel of Christ, or they
will find themselves well on their way into the occult.

Hearing from God is not something that can be done on the fly either. It is up to the person to be coming to the throne of Grace properly hearing from the true God through Christ or there is guaranteed a false spirit.

Have been hearing, seeing things that are demonic in nature for several years. Have had many pray, but this continues. Tried medications, zero effect. These voices say that this is an ancestral chain letter, and will soon afflict one of my children. They are blasphemous against God and Jesus, they physically afflict me. They keep me up most nights claiming devil-worshippers are involved. I see the both transparent appirations and physical beings, some appear to look normal, but many look evil. They know the future. They are both truthful and liars. Although I cannot stand to live with this condition, my hope is that you will pray for my children and grandchildren that this is not passed on to them as these voices claim. These voices claim that they are "phsycological operational specialists,"
and that this is a Murder/Suicide as well as a chain letter. I trust in Jesus Christ regardless, but know this to be an overwhelmingly evil situation, I can literally feel the evil from it, it is overpowering. In researching blogs from many schitzophrenics online, I see they are experiencing much of the same. I truly know that this is demonic. I know what scripture says, I just try to hold on.

Cindy,

Deliverance and healing is the right of every blood bought believer in Christ.

Somewhere, probably around the time you started hearing these voices, something happened in your life that gave these entities a right to harass you.

You have to cancel that right through thorough confession...and Jesus will be faithful and just to cleanse you from all unrighteousness (surrendered rights) and you can then take authority over these defeated enemies and send them packing.

You may find the help you need from

http://www.greatbiblestudy.com/deliverance_ministry.php

We either believe what the scriptures say, and do what God commands or not. Anyone who thinks they hear from God had better be testing the spirits and make sure that they confirm the whole Gospel of Christ, or they
will find themselves well on their way into the occult.

Hearing from God is not something that can be done on the fly either. It is up to the person to be coming to the throne of Grace properly hearing from the true God through Christ or there is guaranteed a false spirit.

I think it goes without saying that we should trust the scripture. A few months ago I myself posted that we should test all spirits we come in contact with but when I and another poster got into a debate about it I asked my bible teacher and he said the likely answer is that person had to be given the spiritual gift of discerning spirits. I think most often if you hear a voice in your head its demonic. I don't think a messenger of God would be bothered if you tried to cast them out thinking they were evil. (Better to be safe than sorry and we may never know on this earth what damage it caused)

They've said many things about Jesus and I've yet to figure out the right question to ask to get the desired answer.

Knowing who God is, and who His Christ is is the key to testing the spirit. Yes, it is better to be safe than sorry. Anyone or any spirit who gets offended at being tested the way it is instructed in scripture is
a false apostle, false prophet, false teacher, or false spirit.


1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.