2 Samuel 21:19 says that Elhanan killed Goliath

earlier it said that David did........in Chronicles it says that Elhanan killed Goliaths's brother i think


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http://www.carm.org/diff/1Sam17_50.htm

Even the hardiest inerrancy doctrines allow for copyist errors, I believe. (if there's anybody here who would like to attempt to solve that without allowing for copyist error, take a shot)

My guess is that this is one of those copyists errors. Obviously David killed Goliath, which makes a lot more logical that this guy killed his brother.

Check Carm. The dude from Carm claims that not only is a copyist error but that the phrase translated "the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite" is actually the name of the brother, noting that the word Bethelemite contains 'Lahmi,' which is the name of the brother of Goliath, according to 1 Chron 20:5.

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"And there was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam."

"And there was war with the Philistines again, and Elhanan the son of Jair killed Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam."


The sign of the direct object, which in Chronicles comes just before "Lahmi," was '-t; the copyist mistook it for b-t or b-y-t ("Beth") and thus got Bet hal-Lahmi ("the Bethlehemite") out of it.

So in the original language as you look down you see the very name of Goliath's brother from the other passage sitting there with the wrong grammatical marking just behind it....

Can I get a 'hmmm' from the audience?

Thank you.

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Totally off topic, but I think this is interesting. From that carm link:

Thus he made "Goliath" the object of "killed" (wayyak), instead of the "brother" of Goliath (as the Chronicles passage does).

The hebrew word for killed is wayyak. Are italians descendants of Abraham? They 'wak' people ... sounds sorta the same. 'wayyak'

Sorry ... that was bad.

Move on. nothing to see here

Totally off topic, but I think this is interesting. From that carm link:

Thus he made "Goliath" the object of "killed" (wayyak), instead of the "brother" of Goliath (as the Chronicles passage does).

The hebrew word for killed is wayyak. Are italians descendants of Abraham? They 'wak' people ... sounds sorta the same. 'wayyak'

Sorry ... that was bad.

Move on. nothing to see here


quite possibly, there are 10 lost tribes, who knows where they could have migrated too ;)

2 Samuel 21:19 says that Elhanan killed Goliath

earlier it said that David did........in Chronicles it says that Elhanan killed Goliaths's brother i think


discuss::D

There is an explanation that I believe goes like this:

Samuel and Kings were written by an author(s) to be a history of Israel from the viewpoint of the Southern Kingdom. Chronicles is an attempt at that same history, but from the eyes of the Northern Kingdom.

Before you write off the idea, consider that people living north of the Mason Dixon Line tend to call the great conflict in the United States from 1860 to 1865 the American Civil War. People living south of the Mason Dixon Line call the same conflict the "War of Northern Agression". Lincoln, Davis, Grant and Lee are either villians, traitors, heroes or patriots depending on who is writing the history. Same war, different viewpoints.

OldChurchGuy

My Bible in 2 Samuel 21:19 says "Elhanan" slew the "BROTHER" of Goliath

In the KJV, for instance, "the brother" of Goliath is inserted in italics and it may have been his brother or maybe there was another Goliath who was related to the Goliath known to have been killed by David.

Either way, it's obvious (to me anyways) that if it was indeed talking about another named Goliath rather than the brother of Goliath, it could not have been the same Goliath being refered to as the one who David slew. 2 Samuel 21 speaks of when David had his reign over the house of Israel for several years already and the events of Saul's death had already occurred, and because verse 19 talks about another Philistine war that started after those events, there is no way that verse 19 is related to the event of where David slew Goliath and beheaded his corpse for that occurred in the days of Saul's reign.

Yeah,mine says "brother of" as well. I need to get hold of an interlinear translation...

Anyway, another plausible explanation is that, irritatingly, the bible sometimes uses heads of families or other such leader to denote the entire family. It does this all the time when talking about the family of David. It is possible that Goliath is mentioned because he was the head or more important or more recognisable.

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Anyway, another plausible explanation is that, irritatingly, the bible sometimes uses heads of families or other such leader to denote the entire family. It does this all the time when talking about the family of David. It is possible that Goliath is mentioned because he was the head or more important or more recognisable.



I actually had the same exact idea come into my mind yesterday but thought maybe I'd be the only one who'd think that could have been. Interesting.

2 Samuel 21:19 says that Elhanan killed Goliath

earlier it said that David did........in Chronicles it says that Elhanan killed Goliaths's brother i think


discuss::D

I think it's another giant named Goliath. Could've been Jr. Verse 22 plainly states that these four were born to the giant in Gath (where David's Goliath came from, 1 Sam. 17).