May 1st 2007, 07:24 PM
In Jeremiah 22:24 and 22:30, it says that no descendant of his will ever sit on the throne of Judah or prosper. Reading the genealogy of the Messiah in Matthew 1, however, we discover the name of Jeconiah right smack dab in the middle of it?
How do we solve this dilemma? Besides the rabinnical interpretations of this verse that seem to solve the problem, there is a Bible verse that indicates this curse of Jeconiah was reversed. But which verse is it?
May 1st 2007, 07:28 PM
Any hints? Like is the answer found in 1 Chronicles?
May 1st 2007, 07:29 PM
No hints yet. This one requires some research! :)
Winner gets reps! (mine are only worth 5 points, but hey, it's better something than nothing)
May 1st 2007, 07:44 PM
Jerimiah 29:1 In the fifth month of that same year, the fourth year, early in the reign of Zedekiah king of Judah, the prophet Hananiah son of Azzur, who was from Gibeon, said to me in the house of the LORD in the presence of the priests and all the people: 2 "This is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: 'I will break the yoke of the king of Babylon. 3 Within two years I will bring back to this place all the articles of the LORD's house that Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon removed from here and took to Babylon. 4 I will also bring back to this place Jehoiachin son of Jehoiakim king of Judah and all the other exiles from Judah who went to Babylon,' declares the LORD, 'for I will break the yoke of the king of Babylon.' "
May 1st 2007, 07:49 PM
Nope, that's not it! Just because he comes back doesn't mean that the curse is reversed. You'll have to look in one of the prophets, but Jeremiah is not the one. Consider the timeline and when the prophets preached to find the right one. I mean, obviously Isaiah will not have preached about the reversal of this curse because Isaiah lived before Jeremiah did...
May 1st 2007, 07:52 PM
I love a good challenge but you are starting to frustrate me..lol.I have so much to do today..and now I have to find the answer...I'll be back.. I have to go and pray for wisdom and guidance in His Word!
May 1st 2007, 07:55 PM
Haggai 2:23-" 23 " 'On that day,' declares the LORD Almighty, 'I will take you, my servant Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel,' declares the LORD, 'and I will make you like my signet ring, for I have chosen you,' declares the LORD Almighty.";)
May 1st 2007, 07:58 PM
YES!!!! Brilliant, Karen! Zerubbabel was Jeconiah's grandson. His position as ruler as well as the mention of the signet ring - in precisely the same way as Jeremiah mentioned it but reversed - can be seen as a reversal of the curse spoken in Jeremiah 22.
But I need to spread some rep around before I can rep you again...so IOU!!!
:) I like these kind of Trivia things...
May 1st 2007, 08:00 PM
I actually found the answer in a Jewish Messianic believer's site..it says that this verse in Jerimiah is what keeps many Jews from believing that Jesus Christ could be the Messiah!
I feel like I cheated...I googled.
May 1st 2007, 08:02 PM
I came across it because somebody I know decided to turn their back on Christ because of this verse in Jeremiah...
May 1st 2007, 08:05 PM
Jerimiah 22: 24 "As surely as I live," declares the LORD, "even if you, Jehoiachin son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, were a signet ring on my right hand, I would still pull you off."
This verse shook me a bit. I can't help but wonder how God can continue to put up with us sometimes even as Christians. Imagine if He were to ever say:
"Though I promised to keep you sealed by the power of the Holy Spirit..(Eph1:13)..I even I will break that seal!"
I don't believe He would as I totally believe in eternal security...but imagine God's very own creation making Him that angry?
Feb 7th 2008, 01:36 AM
I thought the curse applied only to Jeconiah?
Feb 12th 2009, 04:50 PM
I thought the genealogy that contained Jeconiah belonged to Joseph while the one in Luke applied to Mary. Joseph's name was given there per marriage custom. Hence that would mean that while Jesus wasn't actually descended from Jeconiah. He was a descendant of David through Nathan. He would still have the legal right through Joseph to rule even though there was no blood relation.