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john_constantine
May 15th 2007, 08:56 PM
This has porbably been discussed before but ok. Anyways, why doesn't the bible mention anything about these creatures? And haven't scientists dated the existence of these creature way back before the time of Genesis?

th1bill
May 15th 2007, 10:57 PM
This has porbably been discussed before but ok. Anyways, why doesn't the bible mention anything about these creatures? And haven't scientists dated the existence of these creature way back before the time of Genesis?
Right off the bat before you get dumped on, go study the dating process and it's reliability factor. If you wish a good place to begin is a the Christian Research Institute.

www.cri.com

john_constantine
May 15th 2007, 10:59 PM
Right off the bat before you get dumped on, go study the dating process and it's reliability factor. If you wish a good place to begin is a the Christian Research Institute.

www.cri.com

Get dumped on?? What do you mean by that? Get dumped on for asking a question? Anyways, I'll check out that link. Thanks.

Kahtar
May 15th 2007, 11:13 PM
Get dumped on?? What do you mean by that? Get dumped on for asking a question? Anyways, I'll check out that link. Thanks.He is referring to the probability that several posters will see this and dump all their comments on you.
Actually, the Word does speak of dino-like creatures.
Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord [which] thou lettest down? Canst thou put an hook into his nose? or bore his jaw through with a thorn? Will he make many supplications unto thee? will he speak soft [words] unto thee? Will he make a covenant with thee? wilt thou take him for a servant for ever? Wilt thou play with him as [with] a bird? or wilt thou bind him for thy maidens? Shall the companions make a banquet of him? shall they part him among the merchants? Canst thou fill his skin with barbed irons? or his head with fish spears? Lay thine hand upon him, remember the battle, do no more. Behold, the hope of him is in vain: shall not [one] be cast down even at the sight of him? None [is so] fierce that dare stir him up: who then is able to stand before me? Who hath prevented me, that I should repay [him? whatsoever is] under the whole heaven is mine. I will not conceal his parts, nor his power, nor his comely proportion. Who can discover the face of his garment? [or] who can come [to him] with his double bridle? Who can open the doors of his face? his teeth [are] terrible round about. [His] scales [are his] pride, shut up together [as with] a close seal. One is so near to another, that no air can come between them. They are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be sundered. By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes [are] like the eyelids of the morning. Out of his mouth go burning lamps, [and] sparks of fire leap out. Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as [out] of a seething pot or caldron. His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth. In his neck remaineth strength, and sorrow is turned into joy before him. The flakes of his flesh are joined together: they are firm in themselves; they cannot be moved. His heart is as firm as a stone; yea, as hard as a piece of the nether [millstone]. When he raiseth up himself, the mighty are afraid: by reason of breakings they purify themselves. The sword of him that layeth at him cannot hold: the spear, the dart, nor the habergeon. He esteemeth iron as straw, [and] brass as rotten wood. The arrow cannot make him flee: slingstones are turned with him into stubble. Darts are counted as stubble: he laugheth at the shaking of a spear. Sharp stones [are] under him: he spreadeth sharp pointed things upon the mire. He maketh the deep to boil like a pot: he maketh the sea like a pot of ointment. He maketh a path to shine after him; [one] would think the deep [to be] hoary. Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear. He beholdeth all high [things]: he [is] a king over all the children of pride. Job 41:1-34
Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters. Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, [and] gavest him [to be] meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness. Psalms 74:13-14
There go the ships: [there is] that leviathan, [whom] thou hast made to play therein. Psalms 104:26

As to the dating of them, see the link provided above.

TEITZY
May 15th 2007, 11:43 PM
This has porbably been discussed before but ok. Anyways, why doesn't the bible mention anything about these creatures? And haven't scientists dated the existence of these creature way back before the time of Genesis?

This issue was discussed recently here (http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php?t=84426). Here (http://www.creationontheweb.com/images/pdfs/cabook/chapter19.pdf) is some more info on dinosaurs and the Bible and also on dating methods (http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3059).

Cheers
Leigh

Random hero
May 16th 2007, 01:45 PM
"dinosaurs"---the word wasn't created till long after Bible times, so you're gonna be hard pressed to find the word ;)

hebrew word tanniyn (which means sea monster or serpent....but most commonly dragon). Behemoth is also in the Bible (the greatest of all of God's creatures).

Whats pretty cool as well, is that many ancient civilizations have carvings/paintings on walls of giant reptiles. Or how about the findings of dinosaur footprints right next to humans?

They were around together ;)

Harrison Potter
May 16th 2007, 01:59 PM
"dinosaurs"---the word wasn't created till long after Bible times, so you're gonna be hard pressed to find the word ;)

hebrew word tanniyn (which means sea monster or serpent....but most commonly dragon). Behemoth is also in the Bible (the greatest of all of God's creatures).

Whats pretty cool as well, is that many ancient civilizations have carvings/paintings on walls of giant reptiles. Or how about the findings of dinosaur footprints right next to humans?

They were around together ;)

There is also the one caught in the fishermens nets recently near New Zealand which they believe to be similar to the one in the Loch Ness sightings.

TEITZY
May 16th 2007, 11:09 PM
There is also the one caught in the fishermens nets recently near New Zealand which they believe to be similar to the one in the Loch Ness sightings.

Well that one was most likely the rotting carcass of a basking shark which resembles a plesiosaur. Here (http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/1684) is an article on it if you're interested.

Cheers
Leigh

john_constantine
May 17th 2007, 05:09 AM
Hmmm.... so the Dino's existed before the flood, and then during the flood they were wiped away right? So it wasn't an astroid that killed them 65 million years ago? I don't know, the astroid theory seems more plausible but then of course how does one explain the ark thats sitting ontop of a mountain?

TEITZY
May 17th 2007, 06:46 AM
Hmmm.... so the Dino's existed before the flood, and then during the flood they were wiped away right? So it wasn't an astroid that killed them 65 million years ago? I don't know, the astroid theory seems more plausible but then of course how does one explain the ark thats sitting ontop of a mountain?

No, dino's would have been on the ark as well (probably smaller juvenile animals for the larger species) but were wiped out some time after the flood due largely to human predation and climate change (eg. the ice age). Here's (http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/2426/) an article discussing the asteroid theory.

Cheers
Leigh

Sold Out
May 17th 2007, 06:42 PM
This has porbably been discussed before but ok. Anyways, why doesn't the bible mention anything about these creatures? And haven't scientists dated the existence of these creature way back before the time of Genesis?

Excerpt from STRAND STUDY BIBLE:

According to Isaiah 45:18, the first earth (vs. 1) wasnot created “without form.” Originally, it was created a perfect world, and would often be visited by angelic beings (Ezk 28:12-15). Then SATAN and a third of the angels rebelled (Isa 14:12-14). As a result, this earth experienced an upheaval and became without form (vs. 2). The earth then had to be remade. How long, therefore, the earth has been around before man arrived, no one knows. It could be millions and billions of years for all we know.
It is the opinion of this author, after a thorough examination of all the evidences, that there is an unsettled period of time between verses 1 and 2 called a “gap.” Secular historians tend to agree. The Columbia History of the World (p. 24) states,

“Yet there has always been evidence, literally at man’s feet, suggesting that the earth of yesterday was indeed different from the earth of today.”

The vast ages of the geologic timetable are thought to have occurred during this interval, so that the fossils, plants and animals that are found in the crust of the earth today are relics of the originally perfect world that was destroyed before the six literal days of creation. However, unlike secular historians who add evolution to their “gap” (Columbia - p. 25), God’s “gap” does not allow for humanistic evolution or even theistic evolution (i.e., the belief that God used evolution after His creation). The reason theistic evolution is such a contradiction is because it is one thing to believe in evolution, quite another to blame God for it.
Sadly, a lot of Christians hold to the young Earth view based solely on the opinion of other believers. Because they fear rejection for disagreeing, they never weighed all the evidences for themselves. It is always hazardous for a Christian to hold to a viewpoint for “social” reasons. Todd Strandberg, in an Internet article he wrote called The Pretribulation Rapture, agrees,

“Group mentality may work on many occasions, but when this type of thinking fails to work, it often leads to grievous errors. Creationist’s conclusion that the Earth is 6,000 years old is motivated largely by fears that the acceptance of an old Earth would be part of an evolutionary time scale. Truth is not something that is brought into existence by a popular vote… It is bit of a contradiction for a creationist to claim that life is too complex to have formed by chance while at the same time claiming that the majority of the fossil record was created by a single flood event. Many of the forces that created the Earth’s wealth of the fossil layers are unrelated to any type of flood activity.”

Well said! Now amongst biblical intellectuals there are debatable arguments on both sides of the “gap.” Some of the controversy even centers on the translation and grammatical import of Genesis 1:1. Scholars argue, “Is Genesis 1:1 in the absolute state (i.e., an independent clause) or in the construct state (i.e., a dependent clause)?” Even Hebrew scholars are unable to agree.