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  • Sons of God

    It has often been stated by many in the Church that we are sons and daughters of God. That we have been adopted by God and we are the Children of God. Though this was easy to accept, it was the understanding of what it meant that seemed to lack in me. But after a recent encounter with a non-Christian claiming that we are all children of God, knowing this is not so, I was forced to re-examine what it means to be a child of God.

    The question “What does it mean to be a child of God?” echoed in my heart for quite some time. Over a period of several years of studying many different topics with a women's Bible study group, verses began to pop out. Verses like Philippians 2:15, where we are called to be the sons of God, harmless and blameless; or Ephesians 5:1, where Paul admonishes us to be followers of God as dear children; among others. But there was one that left me a bit confused, a little befuddled if you will. Reading out of the King James version can do this to a person from time to time. But it's not so bad believe it or not, because it causes one to ask questions, to seek God if you will.

    Now where were we? Oh that's right, the verse that 'befuddled'. “John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:” Did you notice that? When you read that same verse in most Bibles, you will see that it is written that God gave us the 'right' to become sons of God. But in the KJV it says He gave us the 'power' to become the sons of God. Which doesn't seem to present a problem at first until you notice the context of this word. Notice what it says just before the statement of giving power, “But as many as received him”. Wait a minute! If someone has already received him then, doesn't that automatically make them a child of God? What does this mean? These were the questions that came to mind.

    So the next logical step in this authors mind was to look up the word “power” in a concordance. What was discovered is that there is more than just few ways to interpret this, but there was one major underlying theme. The word for power wasn't like the other “power” words, where it indicates explosive power. It is a word that indicates the rights of an individual, as well as the authority and the power to choose, choice. Now things were starting to make sense; when God sent Christ into the world to save us, He gave us power over sin. The power to choose either sin or righteousness, choice was something we lacked prior to this point in time. Sin had power over us, not the other way around; so this power had to be overpowered by Jesus, so to speak. Now we can choose; will we sin or will we glorify God?

    With a new understanding of this word “power”, the next question was; “If God has given us the power to to 'become' the sons of God, indicating that we are not yet sons of God; just what does a son of God look like?” So what was the next logical step? Study The Son of God. Would you believe it took a few days of thinking about this one? This was definitely one of those 'duh' moments in life. Knowing that John was written so much differently than the other three gospel accounts, not wanting to miss anything major, I chose to read both Matthew and John. As I read these accounts of the life of our Lord, one thing Jesus said as a boy just kept coming back up, “I must be about my Father's business”. Not that I didn't get that verse before, but wow, this was coming through so loud and clear it couldn't be ignored.

    It didn't take long before it was made plain why that verse was coming through so loud and clear. Much of the problem we have with understanding the scriptures comes from our own lack of understanding of the culture of that time. We need to understand just what it meant to be a son, especially a firstborn or only begotten son. I must first confess to you that I am no scholar, therefore what is shared here will be simplistic to some, but it should get the point across. When the Bible was written, the first born son got a double portion of the inheritance that his father would leave. Knowing this, the firstborn son would strive to increase his father's business, as would all the other sons, this was their trade. But the first born would make it his life's work to increase the family business because he knew he had to share it with the others. Farming was quite common, and if you were a shepherd by trade your goal would be to raise as many sheep as possible, increase their birth rate, so you could sell more wool. While at the same time, you 'networked' if you want to call it that, you made more connections and strove to be the kind of man people wanted to do business with, giving your father's business a good reputation. In turn, this made your father wealthier, which meant more would be left to you when he passed on. For the firstborn son, this was pretty much all your life was about, your father's business. And if a father found you were a savvy business man, and really knew how to increase the flock, as well as taking good care of the sheep, he trusted you with more. In fact, anything you asked your father for, if it was intended to increase business, and you were trustworthy, you can bet your father would give it to you.

    In the book of John is where this idea of increasing the Father's business really comes together. Jesus' one and only goal in his short time here was to glorify the Father. He loved the Father and obeyed, willing to submit to even the worst death for the sake of the glory of God. So many times He made statements like, John 13:31 "Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. and if the Son is glorified, the Father is glorified in Him”, John 17:4 “I have glorified thee on the earth, I have finished the work you gave me”, John 17:1 "glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:", and the list goes on. Think of it, this is all He was about, glorifying the Father. Knowing that if the Father is glorified in Him, then people's souls would be saved. And because this was all He was about, He was trustworthy, therefore whatever He asked for, He got. He was/is indeed a Son to His Father. Only one thing remains to be said here, you have the power to choose; I pray you will choose to be about your Father's business in everything, that you may be a true son or daughter of God, and our be Father glorified in you.
    Comments 18 Comments
    1. Sojourner55's Avatar
      Sojourner55 -
      Good article, Saved. You "connected the dots" to show how Jesus was dedicated to His Father's business of saving souls, and increasing the aggregate wealth of the Father's glory. Building on your theme, I would add that the business centers around a great, worldwide harvest, that ministries are like franchises, and that we are like investors who own stock by investing our lives in the company--and that we have an awesome retirement package awaiting us that is both "out of this world," and "to die for."
    1. Saved7's Avatar
      Saved7 -
      Amen and thank you for adding more wealth this article. Indeed it is out of this world and even worth dying for! What a blessing it is to have the opportunity to invest in such a great Kingdom.
    1. IMINXTC's Avatar
      IMINXTC -
      Tremendous, refreshing and very timely article particularly concerning the oft misunderstood term sons of God. Probably more false doctrine dispensed under the all too often preached and presumed notion that all humans are somehow already included in that number, than anywhere else. But your message goes much further, at once convicting the believing reader of the acute responsibility he carries as a pilgrim in this lost world. Thank you also for the careful and clear insight into the Son-ship of Christ and what it entails.
      It was a pleasure to read.
    1. ChristianCoffee's Avatar
      ChristianCoffee -


      I cannot add anything to what they have said. This is a wondrous article, and if more people were "about the Fathers work" then this would be a much better world.
    1. Diggindeeper's Avatar
      Diggindeeper -
      You know, I think too that sometimes this is how we can know we really are 'sons of God'. Or daughters. When my path crosses with those who are 'about the Father's business', oh my...it lights a spark deep within me, and that spark is contagious, it seems. Things that person is doing, or saying, ignites the spark within me and makes me want to 'be about my Father's business'.

      May I, like Jesus, 'finish the work' he gave me to do! Even though sometimes it may not be easy, I have a longing to be about my father's business. And it seems to me there is a kindred spirit with others who want that same thing.
    1. Saved7's Avatar
      Saved7 -
      Thanks so much for your encouraging words all! I was so afraid that I would hear crickets, but instead I'm hearing a resounding "amen!" It's unfortunate that I couldn't share all that God has shown me about this, but alas, I was limited to how many words I could write. ....

      Diggin', you said it exactly, when you meet someone of the same spirit and mind, the sparks fly!
      And IMINXTC....Such a beautifully written response, I am left wondering if you are that guy who writes the commentaries about books or movies...ya know, the ones on the back of a book, listed with all those other folks making commentaries. Don't know what those folks are called, but thanks so much.

      commentators! That's what they're called. You sound like a commentator.
    1. LRBEAR18's Avatar
      LRBEAR18 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Sojourner55 View Post
      Good article, Saved. You "connected the dots" to show how Jesus was dedicated to His Father's business of saving souls, and increasing the aggregate wealth of the Father's glory. Building on your theme, I would add that the business centers around a great, worldwide harvest, that ministries are like franchises, and that we are like investors who own stock by investing our lives in the company--and that we have an awesome retirement package awaiting us that is both "out of this world," and "to die for."
      I really like this article. It gave me a lot of inspiration. I also agree that it is in our power to live for God and do our Father's work. I think that we are all children of God though. I believe once you are a born again Christian you are supposed to do God's work, but God created us all and I believe that makes us all his children. I agree that it does state througout the Bible that we are children of God by our Faith. Galatians 3:26, Romans 9:8, and Ephesians 5:1. I think until we reject God as our Saviour then we are all his children. I like Sojourner 55 analogy about the business. I want to own a lot of stock in HIS company! I believe we should all want to do the Father's work and that is our duty. If we do not carry that out I think we are sinning!
    1. LRBEAR18's Avatar
      LRBEAR18 -
      Also to add to my comment... Galatians 3:26 says "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus." This adds to my belief on us all being children of God.
    1. quiet dove's Avatar
      quiet dove -
      Saved7, you did a great job!! on this article
    1. Saved7's Avatar
      Saved7 -
      LRBEAR,
      Thank you for your comments. I do believe, however, that you may be missing the point here. When we place our faith in Christ, it's because we believe and trust God. When we believe God, we live like we believe, instead of continuing in sin. Therefore, often times the apostles wrote to these churches to encourage them to live holy lives, lives that were committed to the Father's will, just as Jesus was. As a TRUE son or daughter of God we are to be fully committed to God's desires and will, that He may be glorified. Just calling yourself a Christian and believing that we have been adopted according to the scriptures, isn't quite actually BEING a child of God. We must also strive to know Him more and be made more and more into the image of Christ, who was all about the will of the Father. Do we have the character of Christ who totally sacrificed all that He was for the will of the Father? Or do we have the character of ourselves, who make sacrifices for our own gain?
    1. MoreMercy's Avatar
      MoreMercy -
      Great message Saved7.
      What a refreshing article, thank you for the insight into the use of those words of God when they were spoken. It sure makes a difference in the interpretation doesn't it.

      He has left us plenty of evidence in His words too for us to observe before that Great Day, which of us are His good an obedient children/sons and daughters, and which are not.

      So my side note is: I will still refer to all of us as His children.
      But we are either His obedient children or His disobedient children, for me anyway I can tell by observable evidence using His words to observe which of us are and which are not "obedient" sons or daughters of His.

      But I know too that none of us His children can or will be titled as children of another father until Christ makes that pronouncement on each of us individually on that Great Day.

      Today by His mercy we still have opportunity to change our final and eternal title that will be given to us by Christ on that Great Day.


      God bless you good servant and friend of my Master.
    1. Renee's Avatar
      Renee -
      great message Saved!..so much of understanding is context, meaning of a particular word and the way they did things or the culture. I do not believe God loves all humans, Galatians 3:26 says "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus." See the words" by faith in Christ Jesus." Many do not have this faith, much less believe in Christ.
      Another verse: Romans 9:10–13 And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— 12 she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
      God Bless
    1. ronshua's Avatar
      ronshua -
      Greetings Saints , good stuff the kind that edifies .

      Ephesians 2:8
      for by grace ye are having been saved, through faith, and this not of you -- of God the gift,
      Romans 5:15
      But, not as the offence so also [is] the free gift; for if by the offence of the one the many did die, much more did the grace of God, and the free gift in grace of the one man Jesus Christ, abound to the many;
      (YLT)

      John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
      KJV

      Peace .
    1. RandyHJ's Avatar
      RandyHJ -
      Jesus told the Pharisees who rejected him that they were of their father, the devil, so they weren't God's children because they didn't share in God's attributes.
    1. zoe4me's Avatar
      zoe4me -
      Quote Originally Posted by LRBEAR18 View Post
      I really like this article. It gave me a lot of inspiration. I also agree that it is in our power to live for God and do our Father's work. I think that we are all children of God though. I believe once you are a born again Christian you are supposed to do God's work, but God created us all and I believe that makes us all his children. I agree that it does state througout the Bible that we are children of God by our Faith. Galatians 3:26, Romans 9:8, and Ephesians 5:1. I think until we reject God as our Saviour then we are all his children. I like Sojourner 55 analogy about the business. I want to own a lot of stock in HIS company! I believe we should all want to do the Father's work and that is our duty. If we do not carry that out I think we are sinning!
      Just to add a comment; All people on the earth are not all children of God. They are born in Adam and after Adam's likeness, so they are children of Adam. Those that have be born again are all children of God. Most do not understand the new birth, it is just what it sounds like, new birth. Your body is not born again or your soul is not born again but your human spirit. God takes your old Adam spirit out that has sinned and replaces it with a new creation human spirit and then places it inside of Jesus who has just entered your body and seals it in there with the Holy Spirit. (Eph.1:13 NASB) He places it into Jesus to protect it from the old sin nature that is in your flesh. The new human spirit never commits any sin again because Jesus saves it each day. Only one sin in the spirit would doom a new believer back to hell. The old Adam spirit was destroyed at your new birth Romans 6:3 by being placed in to the death of Jesus. I hope this might help Christians understand the new birth.
    1. zoe4me's Avatar
      zoe4me -
      Sons of God, those created originally by God. The angels were called sons of God, Adam was a son of God, Jesus was the only begotten Son of God. Then all born again believers or the chuch are sons and daughters of God because God has created a new human spirit and replaced the old Adam spirit that had sinned. John 1:13 "who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor ot the will of man, but of God". This and only this gives you the right to be called sons of God. John 1:11-13. All man that have commited only one sin are guilty and sentenced to death. The body, soul and spirit is on death row. The sentence was not taken away by Jesus. A quilty person is not repairable or fixable. Jesus takes your old Adam spirit and places it into His own death by spiritual baptism. Romans 6:6. Trust me, your body and soul will face its sentence of death unless the rapture takes place. A born again person is justified in their human spirit. The human spirit has been crucified with Christ. It has faced its sentence of death. This is the reason you have the right to be called sons and daughters of God and this only!
    1. zoe4me's Avatar
      zoe4me -
      After your spirit is crucified in the death of Jesus (Romans 6:3), God creates a new human spirit to replace the one that has sinned. A new creation made by the hand of God the Father, so I can cry "abba, my Father" only because I am a New Creation that has been placed into Jesus that has just come to take up residence in my body, making it the temple of God. Then I have the right to be called a son or daughter of God. We are sealed in Him at the point of being born again Ephesians 1:13 NASB. Then our spirit will never sin again. 1John 3:9 "no one who is born of God commits sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God". This is speaking of your human spirit. We still sin in soul and body and must bring them under submission and stop sinning or we will suffer in this life. God says to be Holy because He is Holy. Now He would not command you to do something without giving you the power to do it that comes from His indwelling presence.
    1. Steps's Avatar
      Steps -
      Thank you. What a lovely insight to receive after so long an absence from the forums.

      May The Holy Spirit continue to inspire you.
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