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  • Same sex marriage

    For a long time, debates--often heated and emotional, have addressed the issue of same sex marriage, and whether gay couples should be afforded the same legitimacy under law as married heterosexual couples. I do not understand the importance and sense of urgency lavished upon it --either by individuals or the Obama administration. Given the high priority our President has given Gay Rights, it seems that even the dark, impending economic disaster now overshadowing this country has taken a back seat to the issue.

    For quite some time, thread after thread on this board has been devoted to the debate, often dragging on endlessly, page after page. Over and over, the same arguments are made--often by the same people, for and against the passage of laws concerning same sex marriage:

    "It's hateful and unchristian-like to condemn people for being gay."
    "We're not condemning. And it's not hate to warn the unsaved about the consequences of unrepentant sin."
    "Why is adultery, fornication, and gluttony given a pass, while homosexuality is always singled out and vilified?"
    "When are these other sins publicly advocated, as homosexuality is?"

    First, let's agree that lewd and lascivious behavior is not the exclusive domain of either homosexuals OR heterosexuals--and that God doesn't use some kind of "sin scale," or is biased against one group over another. And let's agree that homosexuals do their share of "fornicating." While the LGBT community likes to project the image that most same sex couples are in stable, monogamous relationships, promiscuity and multiple partners are quite common among gay men.

    Obviously, the 3-5 percent of the population which homosexuals comprise accounts for a smaller percent of total sexual activity with multiple sex partners than heterosexuals. But let's call to remembrance which segment of the population was first ravaged by AIDS, how it got started, and how quickly it spread around the world via sexuality by means of obviously less than monogamous relationships. The point is, the tired old "fornication vs homosexuality" argument is wearing a bit thin, so let's keep it real.

    Secondly, it's disingenuous to suggest that society as a whole, gives greater license to sexual immorality among heterosexuals than it does homosexuals. Those who truly hold to traditional moral values (admittedly a dying breed), do not show favoritism with regard to lewd and lascivious behavior. Admittedly, homosexuality may be viewed by many as contrary to nature and normal human sexuality--in addition to being immoral. But then, it is isn't it? Same sex marriage is consistently voted down by a clear majority every time it's put to a vote. So apparently, a majority of Americans--not just a bunch of hateful bigots--seem to hold same sex marriage in disfavor.

    Yet, civil unions and gay marriage would not be growing in acceptance among the public and within state governments if there were not tremendous public support. Gay rights proponents have made great strides, and have begun to exert great influence in recent years in virtually every sphere of society--due in large part to a growing percentage of society that has adapted to the "new morality" mindset that began in the 1960's.

    So the argument that adultery and fornication are okay, but homosexuality is a sin, is both invalid and intellectually dishonest. In fact, it's becoming increasingly clear that the last rampart in opposition to the LGBT agenda exists mostly among older, Christian conservatives. And why is that do you suppose? Is it hate? Insensitivity? Intolerance? Are Christians hypocritically belying the love they profess? Or, is it maybe something else?

    Maybe, just maybe, gay marriage truly offends their moral sensibilities--and they're loathe to compromise their values by accepting the same unnatural sexuality and disease-ridden society that characterized Sodom and Gomorrah. Maybe they fear God, and dread being complicit in bringing a similarly horrific judgment upon our nation. Maybe it's because other once mighty nations such as the Roman Empire, collapsed because of internal, moral decay, and they seek to avoid facilitating and hastening a similar demise of our society. Maybe they see it as a spiritual Trojan Horse that we will unwittingly bring within our gates--and foolishly embrace, like some spiritual leprosy.

    Maybe they don't want to see the sacred institution of marriage--a type of Jesus and the Church--made a mockery of. Maybe they recognize that the family unit is the building block of our society, and see the redefinition of marriage and the family unit as a means of fomenting the deterioration of that foundation--a foundation that held us together as nation through two world wars, and the Great Depression--only to then be breached and eroded in the 1960's by a spiritual tsunami of godlessness, drug abuse, "free love," and utter, moral depravity.

    And maybe they don't like seeing our President and his minions making Gay Rights such a priority and pillar of his administration, pandering to a tiny percent of the population. Maybe they would prefer he focus on more important matters like the economy, which is crumbling under the sheer weight of an unsustainable debt and insane, out of control spending--with no jobs being created to replenish the rapidly depleting US Treasury.
    Or maybe its all of these things together.

    There are those (including a growing segment of modern, "Progressive" Christians), who say we should just embrace diversity, and give same sex couples the same status and basic rights as married couples. After all, it's a matter of law, not morality, right? And it does seem a nationwide acceptance of same sex marriage is pretty much inevitable at this point. America's moral compass has been broken for a long time. And we are so far off course from the godly precepts we once lived by, that we as a nation, will probably never find our way back. Immorality is being both encouraged and facilitated among youth and even children--even as the influence of God and a sense of morality are being systematically disdained and swept away.

    So, I'm personally tired of arguing about the matter. I'm tired of reiterating the fact that standing for godliness and traditional values--and warning the unsaved of the eternal consequences of unrepentant ungodliness--equals love, not hate. That simple truth just seems to fall on deaf ears these days. Our society is past the tipping point in its leaning away from our original core values. The same spiritual darkness is now spreading across the entire world, and Satan's kingdom will finally enjoy its brief global reign--before the Lord of glory returns to destroy it and all those who are part of it; and to render both rewards and punishments, according to His perfect will and justice.

    Those of us who are saddened by the path our nation is currently on, cannot stop what will happen. But we can steadfastly stand on the Word of God, firmly hold on to our faith and convictions, and lift our lamps aloft, to illuminate the Way, the truth and the life for those are still able to discern the light from the darkness. After all, God did not call us to help transform the world, but to help transform individuals through the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Satan can have his fleeting kingdom--this lost and dying world system, and the children of darkness who are his foolish, unwitting pawns--and welcome to it.But the standards embraced by individuals today--whether of this world or of heaven--will lead them into eternity.
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    1. andrew_no_one's Avatar
      andrew_no_one -
      I liked it.
      However, I don't think you'll be able to keep the truth in your mouth for long without saying it, especially when prompted.
    1. Slug1's Avatar
      Slug1 -
      Great article!!

      Here is what I submitted to my teacher last semester for a paper on the topic: "Same Sex Marriage".

      (This is an actual paper submitted for a college course... so all refs are included)

      Same Sex Marriage

      The topic of Same-Sex Marriage has been raised more and more lately on a personal level here in the church I serve God. Not within our church but external influences that have come very close to dealings within our church. Of course, this has raised an issue for me in trying to understand how the influences of the world can become so strong within the Body of Christ. How can people or even entire denominations within the Body of Christ accept worldly influences that are counter to the Word of God. This influence (upon the Body of Christ) came to the forefront when the Chairman of the Board of Trustee’s at a local church we are renting from, was married… to another man.

      In the course of searching for a new location to move our church to has been ongoing for a few months now. I have discovered that other churches that we have contacted and discussed negotiations with have brought to the light their acceptance of same-sex marriage. While they respected our resistance to the acceptance to same-sex marriage, they did expect our acceptance to their decision for their congregation. This left me concerned for where parts of the Body of Christ are headed in their conforming to the world instead of conforming to the image of Christ and remaining separate from the world.

      In reading several articles and searching through websites and even past discussions with other Christians who are either for or against same-sex marriage, names such as “traditionalists”, “fundamentalists”, and “zealists”, are just a few terms tossed into the mix of theologies, opinions, and even accusations (homophobic). The defining of marriage is skewed by personal theologies and personal opinion. People seem to fail to pursue what God’s defining of marriage is all about or how this defining of marriage is discerned simply by the creation of a man and then … a woman.

      Marriage, or at least in the beginning, the relationship established between man and “his” help meet has always been a women. God established this as we read: Genesis 2: 18 And the Lord God said, “It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him” (NKJV). From the very beginning God has established that for all time, man will leave the parents and join with a “woman” and they will become one flesh: v 24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh (NKJV). What many fail to understand and discern from this scripture is that God is securing the marriage covenant between only a man and a woman, for the future of all man-kind. From this moment, God’s will is that man ONLY marries woman, is established.

      This establishment is reemphasized by Jesus Christ when He is speaking to the Pharisees and to the people in the region of Judea: Matthew 19: 4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made[a] them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?[c] 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate” (NKJV). While the question concerns divorce, we can see in the answer that Jesus supports His Father’s will in that a marriage is comprised of only a man and a woman. Together, a man and only a woman become one flesh when they are joined in marriage.

      Man has broken this covenant of marriage in mainly two ways. In accepting the ease in which a marriage can end for selfish reasons and a divorce secured from the world’s courts for no reason at all in many situations. The other way that this covenant is compromised by man is in the acceptance of and in the execution of, same-sex marriage. Only when a man is joined to a wife are they one flesh and the marriage covenant is in accordance with God and His will.

      In the article, “Same-Sex Marriage and the Anglican Theology: A View from the Traditionalists” the authors comment, “Christians are being asked to accept a redefinition of the institution of marriage itself. No longer is marriage to be regarded essentially as a bond between one man and one woman, but as a sexual relationship in which two men or two women may also be committed to each other” (Goldingay, John E., LeMarquand, Grant, R., Sumner, George R., Westberg, Daniel A., 2011). So the question I raise is while the Body of Christ is being asked to accept a redefining of the institution of marriage, why are some portions actually accepting this new definition brought forth from the world into the Body of Christ? Are portions of the Body of Christ so concerned about public opinion that they would submit to an image of the world and not the image of Christ?

      In the article, “A Theology of Marriage including Same-Sex Couples: A View from the Liberals” the authors comment, “We argue that the church should marry same-sex couples because it requires their testimony to the love of Christ and the church, and because it recognizes that same-sex couples in need of sanctification no less then opposite-sex couples do” (Good, Deirdre J., Jenkins, Willis J., Kittredge, Cynthia B., Rogers Jr, Eugene F., 2011). While I’m asking why portions of the Body of Christ fail to conform to the image of Christ, it seems that others are even redefining that true image of Christ to meet their desire(s) to conform to the image of the world. Sanctification is about a person changing from self to Christ and this process is abandoning and even shedding the old person as their mind becomes changed and they are Christ like. Those who are sanctified or are being sanctified would refuse a redefining of God’s institution of marriage from only man and woman.

      So what elements of the institution of marriage must be redefined to meet a world’s definition? Since God first created man and women and only by the joining of man and woman is “one” flesh achieved, this is already an element of redefining of marriage. There is a positive purpose for marriage as well and we see this established by God in Genesis 1: 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth” (NKJV). Once again we see that any redefining of marriage excludes this purpose of God’s will for marriage. Same-sex marriages cannot be fruitful and procreate children. In this we can also raise the issue of the proper raising of children that only a mother and father are capable of accomplishing as God originally planned. Lifelong commitment and the characteristics of “passion” can be defined in a same-sex marriage. However, this does issue in the aspect of “sin” according to scripture as well. So while a same-sex marriage does involve the elements of sexual relation and commitment, this results in active sin due to these elements of a same-sex marriage. Earlier, I quoted the opinion that same-sex couples are in need of sanctification, so while this is true it is not possible while the couple is actively in a sinful lifestyle.

      For a person who is a homosexual or a lesbian to be sanctified before God, then they have to turn away from sin the same as any person must turn from any sin. Sanctification brings about the changing in the mind and this result in the changing in the lifestyle of Christians. They stop doing what is sinful and they start doing what is righteous before God. In the scriptures both Old Testament and New Testament we read that sexual relation between same-sex people is sinful. Romans 1: 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due (NKJV). If any Christian who is homosexual or a lesbian and who truly desire to be sanctified before God and not be considered as “worshiping and serving the creature” or described as having “vile passions” or considered to have “left the natural use of” or to continue in “burning in lust for one another” and are “committing what is shameful” and finally, “receive the penalty of their error”. If sanctification is what they truly seek, then they need to STOP and turn away from this sin the same as ANY Christian must stop and turn away from any sin that is preventing continued sanctification before God.

      Throughout the Body of Christ, there are many opinions concerning this topic. From full acceptance of same-sex marriage to zero tolerance of same-sex marriage and a lot of in between as well. In an analysis project done in February 12, 2012 for an article called, “Religion and Attitudes Toward Same-Sex Marriage” these are the statistic for the question, ‘Do you favor or oppose gays and lesbians to marry legally?’ Here are the results from their surveys:

      Attachment 10873

      As we can see from the results in all groups, there are many who will accept the marriage between same-sex couples. So this either shows us that redefining of God’s institution of marriage is already influencing many or God’s institution of marriage is not fully understood by the Body of Christ.

      On the website, “The Economist”, a similar survey was completed between 2008 and 2009 and the results reflect the same results of the surveys done in 2012 posted in the chart above. A point to make however is that from 2008 to 2009, the acceptance of gay marriage is increasing across all the Body of Christ as reflected in the charts for 2012! Only the category of White Evangelical can be viewed as lowering their acceptance but by only one (1) point.

      Attachment 10874

      In conclusion, it is imperative that leadership throughout the Body of Christ educate their sheep about God’s institution of marriage in accordance with the scriptures and of the intention of God’s will for marriage. There is no redefining of the Word of God and thus, no redefining of the institution of marriage either. Those who are homosexual or lesbian should be loved as people and in the process of ministering to them as any sinner is ministered to, their sin be identified in a loving manner but never lessened by altering the Word of God to suit their lifestyle or lessen their sin. God will do the work in them as long as they are ministered to as Christ would minister to them and sanctification will happen over time. For the Body of Christ to even consider same-sex marriage and allow couples to remain in a sinful lifestyle PREVENTS the sanctification work that Christ wants to accomplish in their lives.


      REFERENCES
      Goldingay, John E., LeMarquand, Grant, R., Sumner, George R., Westberg, Daniel A., (2011). Same-Sex Marriage and the Anglican Theology: A View from the Traditionalists. Anglican Theological Review, 93 no 1 Wint 2011, p 1-50.

      Good, Deirdre J., Jenkins, Willis J., Kittredge, Cynthia B., Rogers Jr, Eugene F., (2011). A Theology of Marriage including Same-Sex Couples: A View from the Liberals. Anglican Theological Review, 93 no 1 Wint 2011, p 51-87.

      Christian Answers.Net, (1997,2002), What does the Bible say about same sex marriage? http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-f018.html

      The PEW Forum on Religion and Public Life, (2012). Religion and Attitudes Toward Same-Sex Marriage. http://www.pewforum.org/Gay-Marriage...-Marriage.aspx

      The Economist, (2010). Agnostic about gay marriage: Attitudes to gay marriage among religious groups in America. http://www.economist.com/node/17227800

      New King James Bible, 1982 by Thomas Nelson Inc.
    1. -SEEKING-'s Avatar
      -SEEKING- -
      I ran across this article today and then I see this thread/article.

      http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=37742
    1. andrew_no_one's Avatar
      andrew_no_one -
      Quote Originally Posted by -SEEKING- View Post
      I ran across this article today and then I see this thread/article.

      http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=37742
      I read your article....that's nuts. Gives me another teacher to avoid.
    1. Sojourner55's Avatar
      Sojourner55 -
      I agree. Someone once said that the seeds of apostasy is compromise--and that guy is compromising. When we start conforming the standards of the world, we've abandoned the standards of God. What's next, Chrislam?

      "Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will."
      (Rom 12:2)
    1. Diggindeeper's Avatar
      Diggindeeper -
      Great article. There's just too much compromise among believers today. To me, it all boils down to...they just simply love their darkness better than the LIGHT!

      Lord help the next generation to see through the compromising darkness.
    1. ChristianCoffee's Avatar
      ChristianCoffee -
      Excellent article: I myself have tried to refrain from posting in those debates. It tears at my soul to see Christians beginning to truly and completely endorse that lifestyle. And it also fills me with fear as to what God is going to do next. We have lost our moral compass, and pretty soon we will not be able to see the difference between the world and ourselves.
    1. Warrior4God's Avatar
      Warrior4God -
      Yeah, I get kind of tired of hearing the same old lies that many homosexuals, and their supporters, including some who call themselves Christians, like to spit out...namely, that straights can commit adultery and fornication and it's seen as "ok" while homosexuality gets singled out and condemned as being pretty much the only sexual sin there is. Really? If you attend a church that doesn't condemn adultery and fornication as being wrong then you need to find a real church, apparently. I've never been to a church that poo poos fornication and adultery so I'd like to know where these churches that supposedly do such things are so I can avoid such flaky and lukewarm churches as those. In my home state, Washington State, gay marriage was recently approved and signed into law by our Governor, however an initiative is going to possibly be put on the ballot that will repeal it and also define marraiage as one man and woman. I plan on voting my conscience if it gets enough signatures to be put to a vote. I really do, unfortunately, believe it won't matter in the long run, though, as I foresee all 50 states eventually allowing same sex marriage. To me it's "when," not "if."
    1. andrew_no_one's Avatar
      andrew_no_one -
      How many fornicators and adulterers are out lobbying to get the State to sponsor and condone their activity?
    1. Sojourner55's Avatar
      Sojourner55 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Warrior4God View Post
      Yeah, I get kind of tired of hearing the same old lies that many homosexuals, and their supporters, including some who call themselves Christians, like to spit out...namely, that straights can commit adultery and fornication and it's seen as "ok" while homosexuality gets singled out and condemned as being pretty much the only sexual sin there is. Really? If you attend a church that doesn't condemn adultery and fornication as being wrong then you need to find a real church, apparently. I've never been to a church that poo poos fornication and adultery so I'd like to know where these churches that supposedly do such things are so I can avoid such flaky and lukewarm churches as those. In my home state, Washington State, gay marriage was recently approved and signed into law by our Governor, however an initiative is going to possibly be put on the ballot that will repeal it and also define marraiage as one man and woman. I plan on voting my conscience if it gets enough signatures to be put to a vote. I really do, unfortunately, believe it won't matter in the long run, though, as I foresee all 50 states eventually allowing same sex marriage. To me it's "when," not "if."
      Every time same sex marriage is put to a vote, a majority of citizens are against it. Unfortunately, the powers that be won't leave it at that, and instead, put it in the hands of judges and politicians with an agenda. "We the people" don't count for much anymore.
    1. Sojourner55's Avatar
      Sojourner55 -
      Quote Originally Posted by andrew_no_one View Post
      How many fornicators and adulterers are out lobbying to get the State to sponsor and condone their activity?
      I haven't seen our President speaking out on their behalf much, either. Funny thing is, we are supposed to believe that homosexuals do not engage in fornication with multiple partners as much as heterosexuals do, but are mostly involved in stable, monogamous relationships. Given the speed with which AIDS spread around the world, I seriously question the validity of such an assertion.
    1. andrew_no_one's Avatar
      andrew_no_one -
      Quote Originally Posted by Sojourner55 View Post
      Iwe are supposed to believe that homosexuals do not engage in fornication with multiple partners as much as heterosexuals do
      Well aren't they the new standard of morality?
    1. slightlypuzzled's Avatar
      slightlypuzzled -
      For me, I really believe it is a foregone conclusion; this country is going to, more and more, allow such marriages/unions. It seems that as the gay lifestyle is portrayed in the media as 'ok', it becomes more acceptable with each poll. It will soon become an established fact.
      With that in mind, I think the Christian Churches need to make sure that our people know what God's teaching is in this manner and how we must conduct ourselves to be in obedience to Him. Actually, I hope we know this, and have the heart to practice what we know to be the truth. We need to keep a balanced witness to the whole subject and not get lost in emotional appeals, or 'the beating of the drums' and live the life we know He wants of us.
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      Sojourner55 -
      I agree that eventually, gay marriage proponents will emerge victorious. After all, Satan is the god of this current world system. We definitely need to maintain a solid Christian perspective at all times. We are not called to clean up the pond, but to fish in it. We cannot change the world, but we can help change individual lives through the power of God operating through us. I think the most important thing is that we let our little lights shine, and continue doing so until either the Lord returns, or we are called to be with him. At any rate, we have to avoid letting ourselves become conformed to this ungodly world--no matter how popular the ungodliness becomes, or how powerful its advocates.
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      A Seeker -
      We are not called to clean up the pond, but to fish in it. We cannot change the world, but we can help change individual lives through the power of God operating through us.
      Although there is much which I disagree with you on sojourner, This is great wisdom right here!
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      Silvermist -
      Good article, thank you.
    1. Slug1's Avatar
      Slug1 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Sojourner55 View Post
      I agree that eventually, gay marriage proponents will emerge victorious. After all, Satan is the god of this current world system. We definitely need to maintain a solid Christian perspective at all times. We are not called to clean up the pond, but to fish in it. We cannot change the world, but we can help change individual lives through the power of God operating through us. I think the most important thing is that we let our little lights shine, and continue doing so until either the Lord returns, or we are called to be with him. At any rate, we have to avoid letting ourselves become conformed to this ungodly world--no matter how popular the ungodliness becomes, or how powerful its advocates.
      Hooah!! As leaders in the Body of Christ... we NEED to do all we can to keep the Body of Christ from being influenced by the world!! Which still means that when the world seeks from the Body of Christ for guidance, that guidance MUST not condone or accept what is sinful and for this topic of Same-Sex Marriage, the Body of Christ MUST NOT accept it, not condone any type of accepting... be it from the Body of Christ or the world. It is STILL not OK for the world to accept this sin but as you said... we are NOT to clean up the errors the world, we CAN only prevent the errors from entering in and tainting the Body of Christ.
    1. Dravenhawk's Avatar
      Dravenhawk -
      I find it interesting that in 1962 prayer had been removed from the classroom shortly after the sexual revolution ensued. For each degree American society has departed from Gods ways we have received a degree of death. God tells us to flee sexual immorality for a GOOD reason. Whats truely sad about all of this is that the LGBT community comprises roughly two percent of the population of America and Christians make up more than thirty percent of Americas population. So how is it that a measly two percent can make such great strides? The answer is that Christians simply dont care. America is marked to be judged by God and those who sit on their hands in silence will be judged right along with the fornicators. Remember the Church of Laodecia. Just imagine if every Christian soul got on the horn and phoned in to their congressman / woman that the homosexual adgenda is OUT!! and imagine if every Christian soul wrote letters to the sponsors of racy TV shows depicting immoral behavior demanding change or thier products would be crossed off shopping lists. I for one will put my light upon a pole and hold it high as I will have to give a full accounting to God.



      Dravenhawk
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      andrew_no_one -
      Quote Originally Posted by Dravenhawk View Post
      I find it interesting that in 1962 prayer had been removed from the classroom shortly after the sexual revolution ensued. For each degree American society has departed from Gods ways we have received a degree of death. God tells us to flee sexual immorality for a GOOD reason. Whats truely sad about all of this is that the LGBT community comprises roughly two percent of the population of America and Christians make up more than thirty percent of Americas population. So how is it that a measly two percent can make such great strides? The answer is that Christians simply dont care. America is marked to be judged by God and those who sit on their hands in silence will be judged right along with the fornicators. Remember the Church of Laodecia. Just imagine if every Christian soul got on the horn and phoned in to their congressman / woman that the homosexual adgenda is OUT!! and imagine if every Christian soul wrote letters to the sponsors of racy TV shows depicting immoral behavior demanding change or thier products would be crossed off shopping lists. I for one will put my light upon a pole and hold it high as I will have to give a full accounting to God.



      Dravenhawk
      That's actually a really good idea, and why wouldn't we do that? The first thing we oughta do is quit watching the shows that God hates and furinishing them with higher ratings.
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      Sojourner55 -
      I agree with your sentiments, Draven. We as Christians should use the privileges we have been blessed with in this republic, such as making ourselves heard to our representatives, and using the power of the ballot. We have every right to stand up for what we believe, and to elect individuals to office who best exemplify those values. (Though they're getting harder and harder to find these days).

      Yet, we also have to be realistic about the current world system, and realize Satan is the god of it--to the extent that God allows Him to be. We are clearly told that things will get progressively worse in the last days. Just because we're opposed to it doesn't mean we can stop it from happening. Astated in the article, I intend to keep shining my light right up until the end comes. But I will no longer engage in endless debates with the same people over and over, who think homosexuality is being singled out and picked on; and that calling it a sin is the same as hating homosexuals.

      We're citizens of the kingdom of God, and we should be focusing on bringing new citizens into it, rather than engaging in endless, fruitless arguments with citizens of this world system who oppose both God and godliness--both the wolves and the progressive wolves in sheep's clothing

      So yes, shine that light by all means. But shine it for those who are seeking it, rather than wasting it by illuminating what goes on in the darkness. Those who prefer darkness to light are a waste of time better spent illuminating the path to Jesus. Failing in that responsibility is what we will give an God to account for--not for failing to change the world around us.
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