Same sex marriage

Yup, I've tried many times to get people to write to or call corporate of stores or magazines to get people to rally behind me, as I let them know how wrong and offensive it is to see such filth in the grocery store isles. Our children are reading these article headlines and should not be exposed to it. Yet no one joins me. When I complain about a commercial or tv show to other Christians, they respond with a "oh, it's just a little light hearted fun, stop forcing your ways down other people's throats." Or some other similar response. So while we aren't to force our ways on others, are we having other's ways forced on us because we don't complain like other groups do? And is it right for us to do that or is it right for us not to do that? I mean, what we are supposed to do? Will we answer for NOT doing anything, or will we answer for SUPPORTING the wrong thing?

I don't know, I guess your last paragraph kind of nails it there SOJ. It makes me think of a verse that says "for it is a shame to even TALK about those evil things that are done in the dark."

Wow well done, my hat off to you. I want to be on your side when we take our nation back.

What God has deemed as sin is sin, and shall remain sin till the end, no matter how much the world attempts to justify a sin as somehow no longer sin, because they merely say so; such is futile. Moreover the title of any particular sin is irrelevant with God, and again, just because the world gives an emotional response to a particular sin they like, a sin in which they embrace, and have even made an acceptable behavior in the world, in the end it is still sin. Therefore in this topic, all that we would be talking about is proceeding from sin to sin, and nothing more; so such a thing should not even be a question to them which believe, except they still have one foot in the world.

This popped up this morning in my Youtube feed:

John Piper - No such thing as gay marriage

All I will say is.... AMEN!

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Truth. You know, the saddest thing is, one day, millions of homosexuals will stand before the Lord and wish they had been more concerned with their "wrongs" than their "rights."

......................nevermind

Did you see this one, just 6 days ago? Now prosecutorial activism, along with presidential activism on the DOMA (federal Defense of Marriage Act), in the form of refusing to prosecute anyone under marriage protection laws enacted by the respective legislatures is preempting even the courts!

Ill. Prosecutors Refuse To Defend Gay Marriage Ban
by The Associated Press
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CHICAGO June 21, 2012, 10:19 am ET
CHICAGO (AP) — Twenty-five Illinois couples were prepared for a long legal fight when they joined lawsuits challenging the state's ban on gay marriage. Turns out they won't get one — at least not from the attorneys who would normally be responsible for defending the state's laws.
Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan and Cook County State's Attorney Anita Alvarez have refused to defend the 16-year-old ban, which defines marriage as between a man and a woman, saying it violates the state constitution's equal protection clause.
The decision has raised eyebrows among some legal experts who believe prosecutors are legally bound to defend Illinois law, and sets up a scenario where a judge could quickly strike down the marriage statute. Supporters of the ban say it's unconscionable that there might be nobody in court to defend it, and some are strategizing over how to intervene.
"I took an oath when I was sworn in to defend the constitution of the state of Illinois and I believe that's what I'm doing," Alvarez said in an interview with The Associated Press. "I'm not going to defend something I believe is in violation of the constitution."
Madigan, who did not respond to a request for comment, plans to file arguments next week in support of the lawsuits, which could be consolidated into one case.
The move, sure to thrust Illinois into the national spotlight as federal and other state courts wrestle with the gay marriage issue, was greeted with enthusiasm by couples involved in the lawsuits. ... SEE the rest of the article at http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...eillinois.html

We must not kid ourselves we can trust any branch of government.

Worse yet, we cannot trust the political system, ... because, really, we cannot trust the electorate. Currently, 6 jurisdictions, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Vermont, Iowa, New Hampshire, and the District of Columbia recognize same-sex marriage, while 7 jurisdictions, Illinois, New Jersey, Nevada, Washington, Hawaii, California and Oregon provide some spousal rights for same-sex couples entering into legal partnerships pursuant to state law, usually with some form of "civil union" law. Civil unions parallel marriage statutes already on the books, and redefine what a "spouse" is.

In addition, Illinois is one of 22 jurisdictions which give special employment discrimination protection to individuals on the basis of sexual orientation.

Finally, churches and religious organizations are highly vulnerable to attacks by individuals, groups and government for what is being increasingly interpreted as sexual orientation discrimination. The result can be loss of tax exempt status, fines, huge damage awards and huge defense costs.

In the case of the Catholic Dioceses in Illinois, for example, they were forced to either agree to refer adoptive and foster children to same-sex couples, or lose their right to continue their over 100 years of ministry in those fields. So, they caved, and gave up those ministries, completely.

New Ill. Civil Unions Law Forces Catholic Charities Out of Foster Care, Adoption
For more than 100 years, Catholic Charities in the Diocese of Rockford, Ill. has been caring for orphaned children. Much of their work came to an end on Wednesday when the Illinois Religious Freedom Protection and Civil Unions Act took effect.
Policymakers did not include a religious exemption, so Catholic Charities halted its state-funded foster care and adoption services because the new law may have forced them to place children with unmarried or cohabitating couples (heterosexual or homosexual). The Heritage Foundation, on its blog, pointed out that, “Faith-based adoption agencies are potentially vulnerable to increased liability if they continue to follow their moral convictions and refuse to place children in homes headed by unmarried couples.”
“As you may know, the Catholic Church does not condone same‐sex unions or unmarried cohabitation between individuals of the opposite sex,” said diocesan communications director Penny Wiegert at a press conference last week. “We believe in the natural order of marriage and the Sacrament of Matrimony between one man and one woman. We also believe and promote the optimal God‐given privilege of every child to be reared in a safe and loving family with a committed and loving male father and female mother whenever possible.”
She continued, “Catholic Charities and other religious agencies implored the State of Illinois to allow their agencies to refer civil union couples to other adoption and foster care agencies so as to not violate the moral teachings of their faith.”
Tragically, she said, that did not happen. The immediate result of the new law will be the transfer of 191 foster care families and approximately 350 children to other adoption agencies in the state. The diocese will close more than half its offices (four of seven) and lay off 58 caseworkers and employees. ... Rest of Article, others at http://www.christianpost.com/news/ne...option-50762/; http://articles.latimes.com/2011/nov...tions-20111115

The ways are many through which these laws will attempt to take out huge segments of religious freedom without a single direct battle over the First Amendment. (But be assured, the solution is not to go the way of the Catholic Dioceses of Illinois. There are still sound ways to fight without any compromise at all, through sharp, Christian legal advice.)

But look at these things:

Churches Forced to Vacate Following City Ban on Worship in Public Schools

Across America many churches have been started by holding their services in local public schools. These churches have been blessed to be able to use their local public school buildings in order to start and grow their churches.

The U.S. Supreme Court recently declined to review a legal appeal of the New York City ban on worship services being held in public school buildings. The Supreme Court’s refusal to review the case means the Second Circuit’s decision will stand. This will result in more than sixty churches being given 30 days to find new places to meet and worship. Please pray for these church families during this time of difficulty and pray that the U.S. court system will change its path in this area; pray that churches will legally be able to keep the right to use public school facilities across America.

The IRS is More Closely Scrutinizing Churches and Non-Profits

This past year the IRS has revoked the tax-exempt status of 275,000 nonprofit organizations. With a federal deficit in excess of $1.5 trillion, the government is certainly seeking revenue wherever possible. Churches qualify for exemption from federal income tax under IRS section 501(c)(3) and are eligible to receive tax-deductible contributions. A church is not tax-exempt by simply being a church. The following are several key requirements that the IRS is heavily scrutinizing like never before:

• The Church must be organized with by-laws and operated exclusively for religious or charitable purposes
• Net earnings may not inure to the benefit of any private individual or owner
• No substantial part of its activity may be attempting to influence legislation
• The organization may not intervene in political campaigns

-- Excerpts from http://www.christianlaw.org/cla/inde...h_for_in_2012/

Evangelicals and churches who hold to the truth of the Word, remember:

1 Timothy 4
New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Apostasy
4 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will [a]fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, 3 men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.

But let's not digress to speak of the environmentalism movement as well.

Instead, let us pray and speak to one another so long as it is called today, so long as there is light, as a time will come when no one can work. But if they could have silenced us by now, they would have.

And consider this: How much infiltration of the enemy is there, really, within our ranks. I can list 20 major denominations that are openly on the side of the enemy. But how many are within our ranks, and the ranks of those who used to be strong? Why did the Rockford, Illinois Catholics fall so easy? Now what are the Illinois Diocese recommending in the way of compromise with the World on spousal/same-sex partner benefit plans, but their own version of 'Don't Ask/Don't Tell'?

We must be watchful, and shrewd as snakes, yes. But we must also do all we can to snatch as many as possible from the flames. Let us heed Jesus:

Wake up, and strengthen the things that remain, which were about to die; for I have not found your deeds completed in the sight of My God. Revelation 3:2.

... I don't know. I've buried this information in a comment string. Most won't take alarm. And if I acted as if the sky were falling, I'd be ignored anyway.

The truth is, prayer is the key, along with thoughtful action based on many advisers. But giving up, caving in, admitting they've won, accepting defeat, quitting because we are tired, ... these are not in our Christian vocabulary.

We are more than conqueror's brothers and sisters. And God is on our side. They would have no power if it had not been given to them. And we have a resource they know nothing about ....

What is the battle you cannot afford to lose, if you hope to win the war?

The last one.

Isaiah 40:23
He it is who reduces rulers to nothing, Who makes the judges of the earth meaningless.

AojouenER SAID: Yet, we also have to be realistic about the current world system, and realize Satan is the god of it--to the extent that God allows Him to be. We are clearly told that things will get progressively worse in the last days. Just because we're opposed to it doesn't mean we can stop it from happening. Astated in the article, I intend to keep shining my light right up until the end comes. But I will no longer engage in endless debates with the same people over and over, who think homosexuality is being singled out and picked on; and that calling it a sin is the same as hating homosexuals.

We're citizens of the kingdom of God, and we should be focusing on bringing new citizens into it, rather than engaging in endless, fruitless arguments with citizens of this world system who oppose both God and godliness--both the wolves and the progressive wolves in sheep's clothing

So yes, shine that light by all means. But shine it for those who are seeking it, rather than wasting it by illuminating what goes on in the darkness. Those who prefer darkness to light are a waste of time better spent illuminating the path to Jesus. Failing in that responsibility is what we will give an God to account for--not for failing to change the world around us.

Hi, Soj.

Excellent, well-balanced article.

Of course, as my post above points out, NOW is always right now. And NOW is NEVER the time to give up.

What's been our duty toward the Gentiles for the past 2,980 odd years since Acts 2?

Shine the light, preach the Word, claim our rights opnly so far as necessary to do effective ministry. Paul claimed his rights as a Citizen of Rome, but not to save his skin or his point of view or his way of life, be it cultural or economic. Rather, as you know all to well, brother , he claimed his rights in order to find the most effective way to minister in Rome, as guided by the HS. He was warned against returning to Jerusalem, but he boldly did so anyway, back into the maw of those who sought to crush him. He took refuge with the enemies of the Jewish people, and he turned their own laws against them in order to accomplish the Lord's design. He got to preach the Truth before a wide array of insiders and leaders of the day.

As with all 'social issues', things are unique here in the USA because ostensibly we have a representative government of the individual, for the individual, by all individuals (not the way Honest Abe would've said it, but I think it is more accurate to what we expect around these here parts today).

What is our duty to the society we live in -- albeit in it but not of it?

Jesus did not pray we be taken out of the world, but qath we would be protected from the evil one. You do well to point out his command of things.

But do be careful, brother. While matters seem to be getting worse and worse worldwide and you and I cannot see a foreseeable Christian change, two things remain true:

1. No one knows when the Son of Man will revisit; and

2. There is nothing different about how we should be acting the day of the Acts 2 Pentecost and the way we should be acting on July 4, 1776 and the way we should be acting today. Nothing.

As to the first point, we can lose every bastian of a free "Christian nation" in this world, and yet He may not come for 36 more millenia or even millions of years. Why not trillions of years? So, there can be a whole lot of darkness in the world and for a long time, and it can be cruel and miserable for a long, long time before He comes. It is really overblown for us, me included, when we start thinking the end times are upon us, such that suddenly we ought to wake with a start and do what we haven't before, acting like it the end is upon us. The enemy has had antichrists in the world fromthe beginning. So, why ought we to think the world's affairs today are so unique? We are to be watchful, yes. But we must not be deceived into throwin gin the towel The enemy wants us guilty as snakes and oblivious as doves, instead of what Jesus said:

Matthew 10:16
16 “ Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves.

So, as to the second point, how ought we to be acting? Revolution? Exodus? Compromise? Die on the horns of the homosexual dilemma? Live and die by what the Christian rights attorney groups can and cannot get done? No. We are to live, now and since the first Chrstian Pentecost, as the light of the world. And that light must not go out, if we want to enter the kingdom. (parable fo the virgins and the wedding feast). My beef with the church is not that we are not political enough. My beef is that we are not true disciples enough.

Our light should shine as an overflow of the heart. If it is not, our hearts are not purely set on Jesus, and so we are not just like Him, and the Spirit is not being discharged from us, as it was with Jesus, Peter, Paul, and others.

That's not due to a general cessation of spiritual gifts, except for our own cessation or failure to even initiate, ... because our own hearts are impure and our own minds are not renewed.

So, who here can say exactly why we ought to care why the society we live in hates Christian marriage and what we should do in light of that?

Originally Posted by Slug1

Great article!!

Here is what I submitted to my teacher last semester for a paper on the topic: "Same Sex Marriage".

(This is an actual paper submitted for a college course... so all refs are included)

Same Sex MARRAIGE

... 1. searching for a new location to move our church to has been ongoing for a few months now. I have discovered that other churches that we have contacted and discussed negotiations with have brought to the light their acceptance of same-sex marriage. While they respected our resistance to the acceptance to same-sex marriage, they did expect our acceptance to their decision for their congregation.
Man has broken this covenant of marriage in mainly two ways. In accepting the ease in which a marriage can end for selfish reasons and a divorce secured from the world’s courts for no reason at all in many situations. The other way that this covenant is compromised by man is in the acceptance of and in the execution of, same-sex marriage. Only when a man is joined to a wife are they one flesh and the marriage covenant is in accordance with God and His will.

asked to accept a redefinition of the institution of marriage itself.they would submit to an image of the world and not the image of Christ?

same-sex couples because it requires their testimony to the love of Christ and the church, and because it recognizes that same-sex couples in need of sanctification no less then opposite-sex couples do” others are even redefining that true image of Christ to meet their desire(s) to conform to the image of the world.
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3. Sanctification is about a person changing from self to Christ and this process is abandoning and even shedding the old person as their mind becomes changed and they are Christ like.
4. Genesis 1: 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth” (NKJV). Once again we see that any redefining of marriage excludes this purpose of God’s will for marriage.
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6. Same-sex marriages cannot be fruitful and procreate children. In this we can also raise the issue of the proper raising of children that only a mother and father are capable of accomplishing as God originally planned. Lifelong commitment and the characteristics of “passion” can be defined in a same-sex marriage. However, this does issue in the aspect of “sin” according to scripture as well. So while a same-sex marriage does involve the elements of sexual relation and commitment, this results in active sin due to these elements of a same-sex marriage. Earlier, I quoted the opinion that same-sex couples are in need of sanctification, so while this is true it is not possible while the couple is actively in a sinful lifestyle.

For a person who is a homosexual or a lesbian to be sanctified before God, then they have to turn away from sin the same as any person must turn from any sin. Sanctification brings about the changing in the mind and this result in the changing in the lifestyle of Christians. They stop doing what is sinful and they start doing what is righteous before God.
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8. In the scriptures both Old Testament and New Testament we read that sexual relation between same-sex people is sinful. Romans 1: 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due (NKJV).
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10. ”. If sanctification is what they truly seek, then they need to STOP and turn away from this sin the same as ANY Christian must stop and turn away from any sin that is preventing continued sanctification before God.

Throughout the Body of Christ, there are many opinions concerning this topic. From full acceptance of same-sex marriage to zero tolerance of same-sex marriage and a lot of in between as well.
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redefining of God’s institution of marriage is already influencing many or God’s institution of marriage is not fully understood by the Body of Christ.

On the website, “The Economist”, a similar survey was completed between 2008 and 2009 and the results reflect the same results of the surveys done in 2012 posted in the chart above. A point to make however is that from 2008 to 2009, the acceptance of gay marriage is increasing across all the Body of Christ as reflected in the charts for 2012! Only the category of White Evangelical can be viewed as lowering their acceptance but by only one (1) point.

Attachment 10874

In conclusion, it is imperative that leadership throughout the Body of Christ educate their sheep about God’s institution of marriage in accordance with the scriptures and of the intention of God’s will for marriage.
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14. There is no redefining of the Word of God and thus, no redefining of the institution of marriage either.
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16. Those who are homosexual or lesbian should be loved as people and in the process of ministering to them as any sinner is ministered to, their sin be identified in a loving manner but never lessened by altering the Word of God to suit their lifestyle or lessen their sin. God will do the work in them as long as they are ministered to as Christ would minister to them and sanctification will happen over time.

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  1. For the Body of Christ to even consider same-sex marriage and allow couples to remain in a sinful lifestyle PREVENTS the sanctification work that Christ wants to accomplish in their lives.
     
     
     we NEED to do all we can to keep the Body of Christ from being influenced by the world!! Which still means that when the world seeks from the Body of Christ for guidance, that guidance MUST not condone or accept what is sinful and for this topic of Same-Sex Marriage, the Body of Christ MUST NOT accept it, not condone any type of accepting...

Awesome article, with some extremely spiritually astute points. Love your analysis of sanctification here, and how the lie of homosexulaity renders it impossible. Many other excellent points.

Don't forget this one:

The homosexual movement is an arm of Satan to destroy the Christian church in the USA.

In light of that, what ought we to do?

Why is God allowing this?

Why will it mostly succeed?

What will be left?

What will the true remnant look like?

What should the true remnant be doing right now before it is over?

Hello Eyelog,

Thank you for your kind words and encouragement. I agree with everything you said, and believe that we as American citizens have the right to voice our opinions, both publicly, and to our elected representatives, to the extent that our votes are able to affect change. And certainly, as Christians, we are to keep our light high on a hill where all can see it. We are witnesses to the truth of the approach of God's kingdom upon the earth, which will crush Satan's power and bring him and his minions under the wrath and judgment of our God and His Christ. Those who belong to God will recognize the truth, and those who do not will reject it and our testimony. I will continue to shine the light until either the Lord returns, or I else I depart this earthly life to sleep in Jesus.

I will not however, continue to squander my time engaged in the same inane, fruitless debates with argumentative people who have their minds made up that we are unfairly picking on homosexuals every time the juggernaut of the gay agenda is addressed. There are literally dozens of threads on this forum, with the same people making the same endless arguments over and over. As I said earlier, we are not called to clean up the pond, but to fish in it. This present world system is Satan's kingdom, but we are mandated and empowered only to draw individuals out of it into God's kingdom. I will endeavor, to the best of my abilities, to lead those so willing into the marvelous light of Jesus--and leave the rest to the Lord. God bless.

Well I'm glad we could put this debate to rest and not have the same endless arguments.

The fact is, homosexuality is sin. It says it in the scriptures clear as day.

It also says that Christ is our divine savior, which is the truest fact of all. But not everyone believes that. And the fact is, they're all wrong. It's a shame that these other people in the world can't see the light of Christ--The scriptures give us the word of God, plain and simple. God hands us everything on a silver platter, and yet people reject the word.

Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, you name it. All of these people have rejected the scriptures and the light of Christ, and they will burn mercilessly in eternal hellfire for following their false edicts. Add gays to to the long list of unbelievers.

But at least we know that we're right. And we will prevail in the end, over these people who cling to their false testimonies of God. They can't see past their ignorance to the truth that is Christ. They're too caught up in all the lies to realize that the truth has been in front of us this whole time. They were just too caught up in their own little false realities to realize that our world of Christ is the true path.

Excellent thinking. I do agree with your view. I find it interesting that 1960 prayer had been removed from the classroom shortly after the sexual revolution ensued. We need to maintain a solid Christian perspective for ever.

This is a really well written article. For me, when people say "gay marriage", it sets off so many alarm bells in my head, I just can't ignore it. My inital thoughts are "seriously gay marriage, you have got to be kidding."

As a christian and believer in the bible, gay marriage is double defilement of both natural relations and the sanctity of marriage. Going back to Genesis are the two basic foundations of who we are and how we are created :- that is Gods intention of natural relations (male and female) and the sanctity of marriage (Between a male and female).

However, I can understand those in the world, who reject christianity having to problem with gay marriage. Most are not interested in God in their lives, but just living life as they see fit. For them I guess it is a matter of human rights, the right to reject God and the right to live whatever lifestyle they choose to without being discriminated against in terms of the law of the land. Unfortunately for them, they do not realize thier decisions have consequences, both in this life and unto eternity.

On one side, I feel saddened for them and do not agree with any physical harming of them, such as stoning of the woman caught in Adultery, as thier own actions will in the end condemn themselves. Yet I think as Christians, we should still have the right to take a stand against the sin in thier life. That is love show compassion and forgiveness towards the sinner, yet hate the sin.

It is easy to be anti-gay, but when those who live that life-style are your friends or family, it does take on a different perspective. We can have compassion and forgiveness for them, while still standing against the life-style and sin in thier life.

Thank you, chad. Yes, gay marriage, like abortion, will remain a hot button issue with Christians. We are in the world, but not of the world, and must strike a balance. We must remain a light of testimony, yet also realize we cannot change the current world system. Nor are we called to do so. It's a hard thing to accept that civil rights in America must remain separate and distinct from God and godliness--especially given the deep, abiding faith in God embraced by most of the founders, who actually designed the system in the first place. It is highly improbable that the sanctioning of homosexual marriage would have ever even occurred to them, and it is highly unlikely they would have approved of it. That however, is a moot point today.

Ultimately, this world system belongs to Satan, his minions, and those who wallow in ungodliness. Our national moral compass is so broken today that American society will almost certainly never find its way back to God. Sin is like a fatal spiritual epidemic, and the only inoculation is the blood of Jesus, and those who reject it, do so to at their own peril. All we can do is keep shining the light on the strait and narrow path for those who choose to follow it. It's tragic that so many are oblivious to the foolishness and eternal consequences of choosing the wrong path, but it's a choice we all must make for ourselves.

I agree wholeheartedly. So sad to see the world headed this way. Legislation in our country comes with the added concern that it will be included in the sex education classes of public schools ... i.e. teaching our kids that same sex marriages are o.k and normal etc.

Originally Posted by Sojourner55

I agree. Someone once said that the seeds of apostasy is compromise--and that guy is compromising. When we start conforming the standards of the world, we've abandoned the standards of God. What's next, Chrislam?

"Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will."
(Rom 12:2)

to this!

Originally Posted by chad

This is a really well written article. For me, when people say "gay marriage", it sets off so many alarm bells in my head, I just can't ignore it. My inital thoughts are "seriously gay marriage, you have got to be kidding."

As a christian and believer in the bible, gay marriage is double defilement of both natural relations and the sanctity of marriage. Going back to Genesis are the two basic foundations of who we are and how we are created :- that is Gods intention of natural relations (male and female) and the sanctity of marriage (Between a male and female).

However, I can understand those in the world, who reject christianity having to problem with gay marriage. Most are not interested in God in their lives, but just living life as they see fit. For them I guess it is a matter of human rights, the right to reject God and the right to live whatever lifestyle they choose to without being discriminated against in terms of the law of the land. Unfortunately for them, they do not realize thier decisions have consequences, both in this life and unto eternity.

On one side, I feel saddened for them and do not agree with any physical harming of them, such as stoning of the woman caught in Adultery, as thier own actions will in the end condemn themselves. Yet I think as Christians, we should still have the right to take a stand against the sin in thier life. That is love show compassion and forgiveness towards the sinner, yet hate the sin.

It is easy to be anti-gay, but when those who live that life-style are your friends or family, it does take on a different perspective. We can have compassion and forgiveness for them, while still standing against the life-style and sin in thier life.

I can definitely relate to & agree with several of the points in your post

You open up different doors with different sins. I thought of this some time ago.... Why can you look some men and tell that they are Homosexuals?

Originally Posted by shamer543

You open up different doors with different sins. I thought of this some time ago.... Why can you look some men and tell that they are Homosexuals?

I can relate to your opening point... as this particular sin seems to have opened the door to evermore defiant & aggressive sinful attitudes... except for our struggle has been with a young female family member...

even though she'd always known the Biblical forewarnings against indulging such sexually immoral carnal impulses (including the heterosexual sins of fornication & adultery)...
she still "came out" as gay about 2 years ago; with a very ardent, activist lesbian partner... both of them were making demands on the family to accept, approve & endorse "who she is"... or else we'd be "intolerant bigots"... "especially since several (straight) family members had 'gotten away with' adultery & fornication" (was their foundation for excuse)... & nevermind about those who openly admitted how they came to repentance for those sins...

although I've repeatedly tried to advocate for peace & allowing others their right to their own beliefs... no matter how many times I've pleaded; please? can we just agree to disagree? or live & let live?... they both seem to have developed an increasingly reprobate mind against God, His Word & His Believers...
sadly their attitudes are eerily similar to those pagan homosexuals in Romans 1...

29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers,
30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;

Arrrrgghhh!!! They just legalized gay marriage in the country I live in. Never before has the light of the gospel become so apparent to me. Christians and Christian churches voiced their opposition, even presenting scripture and all the biblical reasons as why Gay Marriage should not be legalized.

Unfortunately, this fell on deaf ears on the majority of those elected into power. Some opposed, but it was largely a majority vote that has now allowed gay marriage to become legal in our country.

Over 2,000 years ago, Paul wrote to the Romans. 2,000 years later, I am amazed at the wisdom and truth of God written by the Apostle Paul in Romans 1:18-32. The fallen world has rejected God and Gods truth, some have rejected natural relationships between a man and a woman and now we have the re-definition of marriage and the acceptance of homosexual marriage as natural and equal?

Never before in human history, can I recall there being an acceptance of marriage between a man and a man and a woman and a woman. I can only think of the coming judgement of God that will fall on the nations that have allowed this to happen and the couples who proceed with same sex marriage.

Although the homosexual community think they have won, in my opinion they really have not. I would think that the re-definition of marriage and the defiling of Gods institution of marriage can only bring judgement, the worst judgement being the rejection of God and salvation in their lives. Unfortunately, this holds eternal consequences.