BibleForums Christian Message Board http://bibleforums.org/ A free online Christian Community. Active, moderated Christian Message Board. en Wed, 22 May 2013 10:26:47 GMT vBulletin 60 http://bibleforums.org/images/misc/rss.png BibleForums Christian Message Board http://bibleforums.org/ Rev 22:12-15 linked with 1 Cor 3:11-15 ? http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247444-Rev-22-12-15-linked-with-1-Cor-3-11-15?goto=newpost Wed, 22 May 2013 09:15:28 GMT This is an offshoot from another discussion. It's about salvation, works, Judgement Day and End of Time interpretation so I am not sure if Bible Chat is the right place.

1 Cor 3:11-15 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

The above text (IMO) obviously is about Judgement Day.

The question is to understand what is meant with suffer loss.

Someone linked it with Rev 22:15

Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay everyone for what he has done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” 14 Blessed are those who wash their robes,5 so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates. 15 Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. (ESV)

I don't believe it myself because what's written in Rev 22:15 doesn't sound as "saved".

I never understood Rev 22:15 anyway. It's stated after Judgement Day, the New Earth and then we read: Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

How does this fit with the doctrine that on Judgement Day there are only 2 possibilities, with God or thrown in the lake of fire. Rev 22:15 seems to imply there is sort of in between place. I don't get it. Can someone connect the dots? ]]> Bible Chat ProDeo http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247444-Rev-22-12-15-linked-with-1-Cor-3-11-15 <![CDATA[I've rarely been so moved...]]> http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247443-I-ve-rarely-been-so-moved?goto=newpost Wed, 22 May 2013 08:23:34 GMT The testimonies of these besieged people.... The video fails to embed, sorry: *TV interview captures moment woman uncovers beloved pet dog from* http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50147264n The testimonies of these besieged people....

The video fails to embed, sorry:
TV interview captures moment woman uncovers beloved pet dog from


http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50147264n ]]> Breaking News IMINXTC http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247443-I-ve-rarely-been-so-moved Om te sëen http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247442-Om-te-sëen?goto=newpost Wed, 22 May 2013 06:12:11 GMT Ek kry gister 'n video-boodskap van 'n liewe vriendin ( ek mag nie sê wie dit is nie want dit is Ta-An :) ) oor seninge. In die boodskap sê die persoon dat "'n seen is nie 'n seen voor dit uitgespreek word nie " . Nou wonder ek ..... seen ons die mense in ons lewens genoeg, en hoe belangrik is dit om mense ( en seker onself ook) te seen ? Laaste vraag vir duiwelsadvokaat-waarde : Sou julle sê dat 'n seen uitgespreek deur 'n mens enige gesag en/of waarde het ? ( Jammer vir die gebrek aan paragrawe en spelfoute, my komputer wil nie saamspeel vanmore nie en autocorrect alles na brits toe.) ]]> Gebed, Getuienisse en Bediening Die Filadelfieer http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247442-Om-te-sëen Your thoughts on the Popes latest: Laying of hands http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247441-Your-thoughts-on-the-Popes-latest-Laying-of-hands?goto=newpost Wed, 22 May 2013 02:34:14 GMT VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis' fascination with the devil took on remarkable new twists Tuesday, with a well-known exorcist insisting Francis helped "liberate" a Mexican man possessed by four different demons despite the Vatican's insistence that no such papal exorcism took place.
The case concerns a 43-year-old husband and father who traveled to Rome from Mexico to attend Francis' Mass on Sunday in St. Peter's Square. At the end of the Mass, Francis blessed several wheelchair-bound faithful as he always does, including a man possessed by the devil, according to the priest who brought him, the Rev. Juan Rivas.
Francis laid his hands on the man's head and recited a prayer. The man heaved deeply a half-dozen times, shook, then slumped in his wheelchair.
The images, broadcast worldwide, prompted the television station of the Italian bishops' conference to declare that according to several exorcists, there was "no doubt" that Francis either performed an exorcism or a simpler prayer to free the man from the devil.
The Vatican was more cautious. In a statement Tuesday, it said Francis "didn't intend to perform any exorcism. But as he often does for the sick or suffering, he simply intended to pray for someone who was suffering who was presented to him."
The Rev. Gabriele Amorth, a leading exorcist for the diocese of Rome, said he performed a lengthy exorcism of his own on the man Tuesday morning and ascertained he was possessed by four separate demons. The case was related to the legalization of abortion in Mexico City, he said.
Amorth told RAI state radio that even a short prayer, without the full rite of exorcism being performed, is in itself a type of exorcism.
"That was a true exorcism," he said of Francis' prayer. "Exorcisms aren't just done according to the rules of the ritual."
Rivas took the Vatican line, saying it was no exorcism but that Francis merely said a prayer to free the man from the devil. ]]> Breaking News Protective Angel http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247441-Your-thoughts-on-the-Popes-latest-Laying-of-hands endometrial biopsy http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247436-endometrial-biopsy?goto=newpost Tue, 21 May 2013 23:59:13 GMT My gynecologist's office just called a few hours ago and said that my vaginal ultra-sound showed some uterine thickening and he needs to do a biopsy. The nurse said that it would be painful and said to take some pain killers before hand. Has anyone had this done. Tell me the truth about the pain. I need to know whether or not to order something strong or just take something over the counter. I know every experience is different, but the nurse was adamant about taking the pain killers. ]]> Women at the well jayne http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247436-endometrial-biopsy Release International 5/21/2013 http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247435-Release-International-5-21-2013?goto=newpost Tue, 21 May 2013 23:21:03 GMT
EGYPT – Christian teacher awaits court decision over 'blasphemy' accusationA Christian teacher in Luxor should hear today if she is to be formally charged with 'blasphemy and evangelism'.Social studies teacher Dimyana Obeid Abd Al-Nour, who is in her early 20s and in her first post, was detained for six days before she posted bail of almost £2,000 on May 14. Today, a court will determine whether or not she will be formally charged with committing a crime. If the general prosecutor's office decides to bring charges, her trial could begin today too.The accusations against Dimyana followed complaints by three primary schoolchildren, their parents and some teachers in the village of Al-Edisat on April 10. They alleged she had made blasphemous comments two days earlier while teaching about Akhenaten, a pharaoh who introduced a form of monotheistic theology to ancient Egypt.

Dimyana is said to be 'emotionally devastated' by what has happened. She was originally detained for four days on the order of a judge on May 9, pending the outcome of an 'investigation by the general prosecutor's office'.

(Source: Morning Star News)For a country profile about Egypt, click here• Pray that Dimyana will know God's presence and peace. Pray also that the court today will decide against bringing charges against her; and that Dimyana will not be intimidated into giving up teaching.
• Pray for the church in Egypt. Pray that Christians will draw close to God and know that their identity is in Him.

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]]> Prayer for the Persecuted Church http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247435-Release-International-5-21-2013 Have we growned up in Christ? http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247434-Have-we-growned-up-in-Christ?goto=newpost Tue, 21 May 2013 22:05:21 GMT 2Ti 1:8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God; *2Ti 1:9* Who _*hath saved us*_*, and called **us** with an holy... 2Ti 1:8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;
2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,


Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.


According to these two scriptures, God called us and saved us before the world began, before time even existed. He called us, saved us, justified us, and he also glorified us. These are all past tense, not future events that will happen.
So if this is true then how should we see our self's growing in Christ if we are already saved, and glorified?

Are we suppose see our self's slowly growing from one spiritual plateau to another? Is It the Spirit man inside, the hidden man of the heart that's changing? Or are we supposed to be looking at the man in the mirror, and seeing who we already are as saved, and glorified from the beginning?

Maybe it is just our behavior that is growing based on our Wisdom given unto us by God of who we already are. I believe my self it is our understanding that is growing, which causes us to see who we have always been from the beginning.


James 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
James 1:24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.


Are we this man? ]]> Bible Chat Curtis http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247434-Have-we-growned-up-in-Christ Quick question http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247433-Quick-question?goto=newpost Tue, 21 May 2013 21:11:17 GMT I have been best friends with this girl for about three or four years now. She is also a good friend of my family and considers herself apart of the family. The thing is I have feelings for her that extend beyond friendship, and have for a long... I have been best friends with this girl for about three or four years now. She is also a good friend of my family and considers herself apart of the family.
The thing is I have feelings for her that extend beyond friendship, and have for a long time.
There are two problems with this, one being, because she is so close to my family she kind of sees me as a little brother.
The other problem is, she is currently still in love with one of her exes. The guy is a real jerk and treats her like dirt... :(
I guess my question is how can I make her see me as a potential boyfriend instead of a friend, and how can I prove I would be better for her than the other guy?
I really need advice, because I'm at a loss as to how to approach with this. ]]> JK18 http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247433-Quick-question The Promises of God http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247431-The-Promises-of-God?goto=newpost Tue, 21 May 2013 20:39:07 GMT *ThePromises of God* Ephesians1:2-3 KJV (2) Grace beto you, and peace, from God our Father, and fromthe Lord Jesus Christ. 1. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, *who hath blessed us with *_*all spiritual... ThePromises of God


Ephesians1:2-3 KJV
(2) Grace beto you, and peace, from God our Father, and fromthe Lord Jesus Christ.

  1. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:



2Peter 1:3-4 KJV
(3) According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
(4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises:that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

The Bible is filled with promises that our Lord has given us. These promises have already been
given unto us. The promises that we already have is where we get our Hope from. The Apostle Paul
said in the book of acts that he was on trial because of the hope of the promise... If God had not given
unto us his promises, we would have no hope at all!!


Act26:6

  1. And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God unto our fathers:

If I promised to give you $100.00, you immediately gain a hope to receive this money. You
want my promise to you to become fulfilled. As soon as you see this$100.00 my promise to you is
finished.We must remember the only person who can fulfill God's promises is the one who promised
it. My wife nor anybody else can fulfill my promise to you except me! When a promise is given,
that promise binds that person who gave it to the person who received it. God is bound by his promises
to us to fulfill it in our lives. The word “promise” means to tell, declare. To proclaim as public
announcements or decrees. The Greek word also has a legal meaning “to summons”. A summons
requiresa person to appear at a particular place at a particular time. For what purpose are we to
appear? So we can receive the promise given us by God! If you want to receive the $100.00 I promised
you,you will never see it until you come to me where I am at!


Heb4:16
(16) Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we mayobtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.


If you have any needs in your life, God has a promise that can fulfill it, only you have to come to him to receive it. Before a promise is fulfilled in our Life we are hoping for its fulfillment. But once we see what we have been hoping for, we are no longer hoping for it anymore.


Rom8:24-25
(24) For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope :for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

  1. But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.



Hopethat is seen IS NOT HOPE!!! Why does a man hope for something he already sees? He
doesn't! He is no longer hoping because he sees his hope fulfilled! Notice verse 25. We are hoping for
something we can not see yet. The Bible does not say hope is invisible, and that it can not be seen, but
it does say when you see it, it is no longer called hope. It changes from Hope into FAITH!!


Heb11:1
(1) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for,the evidence of things not seen.


Eph1:15-18
(15) Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
(16) Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
(17) That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
(18) The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,


The Greek word in verse 18 “know ”means, “to see”. The Apostle Paul prayed constantly to God
the Father to enlighten our eyes so we could SEE THE HOPE OF HIS CALLING!!!! When your eyes are
enlightened you see something, that is the purpose of light is so we can see!!
Now listen closely, peoplewho are hoping in the promises of God are spiritually blind.They can
not see, they need to come to God to receive the promises he gave them,You have to see it to receive it!
“if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.” It was never God's
purpose for you to hope your entire life away! Hope always has a time in which it becomes fulfilled,
its in this life not after you die!!! Think about it, wouldn't that be dumb for someone to promise you
something that you could never get in this life?


Pro13:12
(12) Hope deferred makes the heart sick,
but a longing fulfilled is like a tree of life.


We have a lot of sick people in the Church today because they have never seen there hope fulfilled.
Hope fulfilled is like eating from the tree of life, you will never be the same! The word “deferred”,
means,“postponed, delayed”.The only person who can delay the promises of God to be finished in
your life is you!


You have been summoned to appear before your Lord at a specific time to receive from him his
promises made to you.


Eph1:9-11
(9) Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to hisgood pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
(10) That in the dispensation of the fulness of time she might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven,and which are on earth; even in him:

  1. In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

Weare living under the dispensation of the fullness of times.God is gathering all his saints into
oneplace, that is were he lives, Mt Zion, the city of the living God!This is were we are to come to
receiveour inheritance from him!


2Co1:18-20
(18) But as God is true, our word toward you was not yea and nay.
(19) For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us,even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.

  1. For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God
    by us.
    We don't have worry if God would give us his promises today, as he has already said yes to all of
    them! The Lord gets great pleasure in giving unto us His Kingdom. God's promises are fantastic, and He loves fulfilling them in our lives today, but fulfilling His promises to us is not his ultimate purpose for giving them. We read in 2 Peter chapter 1 this...

2Peter1:3-4
(3) according as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who has called us to glory and virtue,

  1. through which He has given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, so that by these you might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

How many times have you made a grocery list, and then you go to the store to purchase these items
and you always wind up buying more that you expected. The Lord has made it possible for us to come
unto him to receive the fulfillment of his promises to us, and at the same time while we are there we
should also pick up a few other goodies. Like partaking of his divine nature, which is the tree of life!!!
Notice,you can not partake of this until “ you escape the corruption that is in the world.”
I like the Amplified Bible translation of this verse...


2Peter1:4

  1. By means of these He has bestowed on us His precious and exceedingly great promises, so that through them you may escape [by flight] from the moral decay (rottenness and corruption) that is in the world because of covetousness (lust and greed), and become sharers (partakers) of the divine nature.

Youwill never be able to receive fulfillment of the promises from God orbe able to partake of His
divine nature until you first fly away to where he is in His Kingdom.Stand before your God and allow
himto give you your hearts desires (promises), and while you are there,to begin partaking of his
nature.There is no other way to get it. Jesus is the only way to the Father,who sits beyond the veil
enthroned in all His Glory waiting for you to come unto Him.
Iam being completely honest with you the reader of this book. I don't know how to explain it any
easier or clearer then I am right now. My prayer to My Heavenly Father is for just that, to make His
Gospel as easy to understand as possible. I know it requires spiritual understanding on your part.
Jesusdid say every one who is of God listens to and hears the father. Iknow you have this ability
withinyou, the anointing that teaches us all things and is no lie, but isthe truth. Thank you Jesus!!!

Curtis ]]> Growing in Christ Curtis http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247431-The-Promises-of-God Marriage-Adam and Eve; Mosaic Law; and the New Testament laws http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247430-Marriage-Adam-and-Eve-Mosaic-Law-and-the-New-Testament-laws?goto=newpost Tue, 21 May 2013 20:10:21 GMT How were Adam and Eve married? What is marriage according to the law of Moses? Is there any instructions in the New Testament concerning how two people are married? How were Adam and Eve married?

What is marriage according to the law of Moses?

Is there any instructions in the New Testament concerning how two people are married? ]]> Bible Chat xIRoyal KnightIx http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247430-Marriage-Adam-and-Eve-Mosaic-Law-and-the-New-Testament-laws My mother-in-law http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247429-My-mother-in-law?goto=newpost Tue, 21 May 2013 19:05:42 GMT My mother-in-law is in a nursing home. She's got dementia and has stopped eating/drinking. They say that she is deteriorating fast. We don't know how long she has, but she certainly needs prayer. Her name is Rose. Thank you.

Jeanne ]]> Prayer Jeanne D http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247429-My-mother-in-law PAKISTAN (Punjab): Christian Teenager Shot and Killed by Muslims http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247428-PAKISTAN-(Punjab)-Christian-Teenager-Shot-and-Killed-by-Muslims?goto=newpost Tue, 21 May 2013 18:30:39 GMT Pakistan Christian Post

May 20, 2013

A Christian male teenager was shot and killed by Muslims when they attacked the Christian village of Khushpur, near Faisalbad in Pakistan’s Punjab province. Several other Christians were also wounded in the attack. The report says that Christians in Punjab province ‘are under constant attack’.

Source and further details: here

Please pray for the bereaved and the injured. Please pray for the persecutors, and that they would be brought to justice. Please pray for an end to the violence.


Thanks, ]]> Prayer for the Persecuted Church doug3 http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247428-PAKISTAN-(Punjab)-Christian-Teenager-Shot-and-Killed-by-Muslims KAZAKHSTAN: Pastor Jailed for 2 Months Pre-trial on Unclear Charges http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247427-KAZAKHSTAN-Pastor-Jailed-for-2-Months-Pre-trial-on-Unclear-Charges?goto=newpost Tue, 21 May 2013 18:27:39 GMT *Forum 18 News Service* May 20, 2013 Forum 18 reports that ‘a protestant pastor in Kazahstan’s capital Astana, 66-year old Bakhytzhan Kashkumbayev, was arrested on criminal charge of harming health’ on May 17th and placed in two month’s... Forum 18 News Service

May 20, 2013


Forum 18 reports that ‘a protestant pastor in Kazahstan’s capital Astana, 66-year old Bakhytzhan Kashkumbayev, was arrested on criminal charge of harming health’ on May 17th and placed in two month’s pre-trial detention.

Source with further details: here


Please pray for the imprisoned pastor and that the charges against him are dropped.

Thanks, ]]> Prayer for the Persecuted Church doug3 http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247427-KAZAKHSTAN-Pastor-Jailed-for-2-Months-Pre-trial-on-Unclear-Charges Soulsleep http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247425-Soulsleep?goto=newpost Tue, 21 May 2013 17:49:50 GMT Is it true that when we die, we will sleep until the second coming of Jesus? I came across this doctrine a few days ago and I don't know what to make of it, but it does not feel right in my spirit. I really don't know whether it would be a worthwhile study. Would it be a waste of time to explore it in more depth? I really don't know anything about it, so I would like some input from you guys. Paul said that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord and I accept that, but now I see there are other doctrines about life after death. ]]> Areopagus Henry http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247425-Soulsleep Spin on scripture, bad interpretation http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247424-Spin-on-scripture-bad-interpretation?goto=newpost Tue, 21 May 2013 15:57:21 GMT "Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery (unlawful intercourse w/ another man's wife): 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a WOMAN to lust after her hath committed adultery (unlawful intercourse w/ another man's wife) with her already in his heart."

In context one would think that the WOMAN would be a married woman not women in general which is taught incorrectly IMO.

Also, the word LUST carries a meaning that lines up with the word Covet. The 10th commandment reads "You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, etc..."

Covet means to have a desire with the intent to steal (Think King David's story).

Can you lust or covet an unmarried woman? Who are you stealing her from? It doesn't make sense. I'm not sure when looking at a un married woman and finding her beautiful and wishing to get married started being considered sin (lust?).

Basically everyone has committed adultry in that context if you apply that to all women. How can you committ adultry with someone who has never been married?


This article is from www.godrules.net

http://www.godrules.net/articles/mat5.htm

Any comments, rebuttals? ]]> Bible Chat Realist1981 http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/247424-Spin-on-scripture-bad-interpretation