http://bibleforums.org/ A free online Christian Community. Active, moderated Christian Message Board. en Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:01:56 GMT vBulletin 60 http://bibleforums.org/images/misc/rss.png http://bibleforums.org/ http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/213008-Trusting-Your-Pastor?goto=newpost Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:27:26 GMT My wife and I were recently visiting good friends of ours in the church. While we are heavily involved in the church - I am the Worship Coordinator, my wife is heading up the Children's Ministry, and we lead one of the small groups, they currently operate on the fringes of the church. They have a lot of issues with the leadership, the way things are done, how finances are handled, and how they feel they are being treated. My wife and I both have the distinct impression that they have a lack of trust in our leadership and see themselves as victims, which heavily influences their perception of how they are being treated.

In any case, the conversation we had with our friends sparked a question in me: do you trust your pastor? What would it take for you to trust your pastor? Is it Biblically even necessary or required to trust your pastor? I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts but let me give one caution:

Please do NOT turn this into a church or pastor-bashing session. Thanks! ]]> Bible Chat Pilgrimtozion http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/213008-Trusting-Your-Pastor http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/213006-Other-Nations-Sinful-Too?goto=newpost Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:25:18 GMT I feel I must point out that the United States does not have a monopoly on sin. This is because many prophecy teachers almost we do. David Wilkerson, Brother R.G. Stair, Dumitru Duduman, William Branham are some who think God will punish America for... I feel I must point out that the United States does not have a monopoly on sin. This is because many prophecy teachers almost we do. David Wilkerson, Brother R.G. Stair, Dumitru Duduman, William Branham are some who think God will punish America for our sins.

Below are examples of how other nations have done evil:

Russian Gulag



Ovens at Auschwitz





And there is Muslim Torture




Just to name a few examples. ]]> End Times Chat Gilligan http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/213006-Other-Nations-Sinful-Too http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/213005-ken-jy-jou-kind?goto=newpost Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:05:27 GMT of ken jy elke eienskap van die karakter van die sepie ster?

Ek wil eintelik nie eens die in afrikaans doen nie, want hier is net mooi geen liefde geduld of verdraagsaamheid nie. Maar kom ons probeer maar.

Ek kom uit 'n huis waar die tyd van Egoli die stiltetyd was. Waar almal om die beeld radio sit met borde kos en kyk wat in daai tyd oom Walt gedoen het. Dit is later vervang met Paula se stories en vandag nog as ek gaan kuier is daar gewoonlik stiltetyd voor die beeld radio.

So gesels ek nou die dag met moeder, toe vra sy my wat ek vir my verjaarsdag wil hê, want sy weet nie wat om te koop nie. Paula weet ons sal duur skoene wil hê, maar wat moeder se eie kinders soek weet ons niks van nie.

Die noodkreut van 'n kind wat geboelie is by skool wat op vroeë ouderdom ontdek het wat seker dele voor gebruik was omdat sy oom nie sy hande kon tuis hou het nie, waar een van sy maats hom verkrag het dit sal ons nie weet nie, maar wat op die beeld radio is dit weet ons.

Waar ons hart begin vinnig klop as dit lyk of pappa of mamma dalk ons 'n drukkie mag gee. Waar ons so leeg raak en net aandag soek, maar nee die satan se beeld buis lê beslag op elke gedagte. Waar ons ontrek omdat ons op skool dom genoem word omdat ons die hele dag liefde soek op die verkeerde manier. Waar ons net in wil wees. Waar pappa en mamma van my verjaardag vergeet en vergeet om te vra ek wil saam gaan stad toe. Maar ons sal nie vergeet dat die beeld radio aan moet wees nie.

Waar ons as kinders geleër is om vas geplak te sit voor die kassie, waar ons nie weet wat 'n baba bees se vel voel net na hy gebore is. Waar ons nie weet dat lammers oulike goedjies is nie. Waar ons sien wat 'n oom en tannie doen in die slaapkamer en waar ons verval in die lokval van satan.

Waar ons 'n gewig probleem ontwikkel omdat ons net sit en gedagte spoeling kry. Waar die satan se naam elke oomblik vereer word met simbool en goed wat ons nie van weet nie, want die TV heers ons lewe.

Waar jou kind se trane die kussing natmaak omdat mamma en pappa nie kom nag sê het nie. Waar ons aandag probeer kry deur verkeerde maats... Want pappa en mamma gee nie om oor ons nie....



Is dit dalk hoe dit is in jou huis. Hoe lank terug het jy met jou kinders gepraat? Hoe lank terug het julle om 'n tafel gesit en eet? Hoe lank terug het jy jou kinders gesê dat jy lief is vir hulle en dat hulle meer werd is as enige iets anders? Hoe lank terug het jy iets opboudend vir jou kinders gesê???

Gaan vanaand, spreek liefde en seën oor jou kind uit voor julle daai duiwel kassie oop maak met daai afstand beheer. Glo my dit beteken meer vir jou kind as daai R200 wat jy in sy hand stop sodat hy onder jou voete kan uit kom! ]]> Gebed, Getuienisse en Bediening Francois Marais http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/213005-ken-jy-jou-kind http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/213002-Prayer-request-for-a-brother?goto=newpost Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:28:17 GMT Father,

Today is a day of remaining steadfast in your shadow, I praise you Father and all the glory is only
yours.

Father, today I lift up a prayer to you in answer to a request I have received from a friend. Father,
my friend's twin brother is presently serving in Iraq and I pray for your protection be upon him. I
pray Father that you comfort them both in knowing that you are in control. I pray for courage upon
them in the face of all adversity that he face and in the boldness that only you can give, that he have
victory over all adversity.

In your Word we read that when we make you our refuge, that no evil shall befall us and that you will
charge your angels to bear us up. I pray this over both my friend and his brother as they both serve in
the military at this present time.

Father, it brings me joy to converse with you, I pray that they both find joy in any of their moments of
prayer with you, our Almighty Father.

I pray this, in Jesus Christ's name, AMEN! ]]> Prayer Slug1 http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/213002-Prayer-request-for-a-brother http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/212998-Article-My-Family-s-Holy-Humor?goto=newpost Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:24:24 GMT You can view the page at http://bibleforums.org/content.php/77-My-Family-s-Holy-Humor You can view the page at http://bibleforums.org/content.php/7...y-s-Holy-Humor ]]> vBCms Comments Diggindeeper http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/212998-Article-My-Family-s-Holy-Humor http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/212997-Praat-is-maklik?goto=newpost Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:01:23 GMT Vanoggend is ek nogals beskaamd vriende, beskaamd oor hoe min ek bereid is om vir ander te doen terwyl ek getuig dat God my lewe aangeraak het. En a.s.b. ek het glad nie 'n gedagte in hierdie draad dat ons moet werke doen om regverdigheid te bekom of God te probeer behaag nie.

Maar, ons as kinders van God praat maklik, maar hoe vêr is ons bereid om te gaan om 'n lig te wees vir ander mense.

Ek is ook 'n lid van die SA 4x4 Community Forum en dievolgende storie wat ek gaan plaas het my werklik aangeraak, soveel so dat ek myself 'n paar vrae moes afvra, vrae soos hoe vêr is ek bereid om uit my pad te gaan om ander by te staan in hul oomblik van nood. Jy sien, vir my is dit maklik om hier op my stoel te sit voor my rekenaar en kritiek te lewer en ek kan maklik hier ook praat van wat gedoen moet word en hoe dit gedoen moet word.

Maar, wanneer laas het ek werklik iemand se lewe aangeraak met ware liefde en deernis. Lees a.s.b. dievolgende draad op daardie forum, dit het my met 'n knop in die keel gelos en laat besef, daar is nog mense wat waarlik omgee vir ander.

Urgent help needed

Groete
Phil

NS! Ek vestaan BAIE goed die reël wat sê ek mag nie skakels plaas na ander forums toe nie, maar a.s.b. mods, ek vra of julle a.s.b. die meriete hiervan sal oorweeg a.g.v. die storie daaragter. ]]> Alles en nog wat Phil Fourie http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/212997-Praat-is-maklik http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/212996-Troepiedoer.....gaan-huis-toe.?goto=newpost Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:00:05 GMT __________________ __________________ ]]> Adam en sy maters Johnny http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/212996-Troepiedoer.....gaan-huis-toe. http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/212995-Hello-Everyone!?goto=newpost Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:02:32 GMT Very glad to be here. God bless us all. Very glad to be here.

God bless us all. ]]> Introductions AriaAtEase http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/212995-Hello-Everyone! http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/212994-Understanding-Hebrew-idioms-and-figures-of-speech?goto=newpost Fri, 30 Jul 2010 05:48:05 GMT Thought it'd be helpful to share these resources.

Old Testament Hebraisms:
Hebrew Bible idioms and other figures of speech
compiled by Wayne Leman

This webpage may be copied or its contents adapted if its title and compiler are cited. The following list consists of figures of speech in the Hebrew Bible, such as idioms, euphemisms, metaphors, metonymy, synecdoche, and personification. Figurative meanings are given after the literal translations. Our suggestion of the type of figure of speech (open to debate in several cases) is given in parentheses.
Gen. 4:1 know someone = have sex with someone (euphemism)
Gen. 6:8 Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD = God was pleased with Noah (idiom)
Gen. 15:15 you will go to your fathers = you will die (euphemism)
Gen. 18:27 I am nothing but dust and ashes = I am not worth much (metaphor)
Gen. 20:6 touch = harm (metonymy)
Gen. 26:8 laughing intensely with =sexually caressing, perhaps even, having sex with (euphemism)
Gen. 27:38 lift up voice = vocalize (idiom)
Gen 27.41 said in heart = thought / said to self (metonymy)
Gen. 29:1 lifted his feet = began a journey (metonymy)
Gen 40.13 lift up your head = restore to honor (metaphor)
Ex 3.8 flowing with milk and honey = fertile (idiom)
Ex 7:22 Pharaoh's heart was hardened = stubborn (metaphor)
Ex 13.2 open the womb = be born (metonymy)
Deut 15.7 close hand = selfish (metonymy)
Deut. 15:9 evil eye = stingy (metaphor)
Deut 20.8 heart melt = lose courage (metaphor)
Judges 3:22 the dirt came out =his bowels emptied (euphemism)
Ruth 3:7 feet = genitals (metonymy)
1 Sam. 24:3 covered his feet = relieved himself (metonymy?)
1 Sam. 25:22 any that urinates against the wall = any male (metonymy)
1 Kings 11:9; Psalm 76:7 God's nostils enlarged = God became angry (metonymy)
1 Ki 2:10 slept with his fathers = died (euphemism)
2 Ki 4.29 gird up your loins = get ready (metonymy)
2 Ki 19.26 small of hand = weak (metonymy)
2 Chr 36.13 stiffened his neck = became stubborn (metonymy)
Esther 1.7 open hand = generosity (metonymy)
Job 20.20 knew no quiet in their bellies = greedy (metaphor)
Job 23.16 soft heart = fearful (metaphor)
Ps 5.9 their throat is an open grave = they speak deceitfully (metaphor)
Ps 6.7 eye is consumed = vision is blurred (metaphor)
Ps 7.9 hearts and kidneys = mind thoughts and heart emotions (metaphor)
Ps 12.2 double heart = duplicitous (metaphor)
Ps. 12:3 cut off all flattering lips = bring the flattering to an end (idiom)
Ps 17.8 little man of the eye = pupil (metaphor)
Ps 24.4 clean hands = act purely (metaphor)
Ps 25.1 lift up my soul = pray (idiom)
Ps 27.8 seek my face = seek me (metonymy)
Ps 33.18 eyes are upon = watches over (metonymy)
Ps 41.9 lifted heel against = turned against (metonymy)
Ps 73.9 tongue struts through the earth = arrogantly order everyone (personification)
Ps 75.5 lift horn = defy God (metonymy)
Ps 80:3 face shine = show favor to (metonymy)
Ps 89.13 right hand = might (metonymy)
Ps 89.22 son of wickedness = wicked person (metaphor)
Ps 90.12 number days = use time wisely (idiom)
Ps 94.9 planted = created (metaphor)
Ps 102.2 hide your face = refuse to answer (idiom)
Ps 121.1 lift up eyes = look up toward (metaphor)
Pro 17.22 dries bones = drains strength (idiom)
Pro 18.20 fruit of the mouth = what someone says (idiom)
Pro 22.9 good eye = generous (idiom)
Pro 24.20 lamp will go out = will die (idiom)
Song 2.4 his banner over me is love = he loves me very much (idiom)
Song 2.17 until the day breathes = until dawn (personification)
Is. 3:16 stretched forth necks = haughtiness (metonymy)
Is 14.12 son of the morning = morning star (idiom)
Is 35.10 joy will crown their heads = they will be joyful (idiom)
Is 60.16 suck the milk of nations = receive the wealth of other countries (idiom)
Jer 4.4 remove the foreskin of your heart = dedicate yourselves fully to God (idiom)
Jer 4.19 walls = pain (metonymy)
Jer 5.5 broken the yoke = rejected God's authority (metonymy)
Jer 6.10 ears are uncircumcised = don't listen (idiom)
Jer 7.12 where I caused my name to dwell = where I chose to be worshiped (metonymy)
Jer. 15:16 eat = understand (metaphor)
Jer. 25.15 wine of wrath = my anger (idiom)
Jer 50.33 sons of = people of (metonymy)
Ezek 3.7 hard forehead = stubborn (idiom)
Ezek 16.25 spread feet = offer self for sex (euphemism)
Ezek 16.26 big of phallus = lustful (metonymy)
Jonah 3:3 a city great to God = very large (idiom)
Jonah 4:9 angry unto death = very angry (idiom)

New Testament Hebraisms:
New Testament idioms
compiled by Wayne Leman

(This webpage may be copied or its contents adapted if its title and compiler are cited.) An idiom is an expression in a language which has a unique meaning which cannot be understood from the meanings of its parts (some English idioms are "It's raining cats and dogs", "Are you pulling my leg?" and "He flew off the handle"). Many NT Greek idioms are literal translations of Hebrew idioms. The boundary between idioms and other figures of speech is not always clearcut in the literature on NT Greek. In many cases, what are called idioms should, technically, often be analyzed as other figures of speech, such as metonymy, euphemism, etc. Perhaps this is to be expected, since idioms often derive from dead metaphors. Compare the New Testament figures of speech page.
(Resources used to help make this collection included the Greek lexicon by Barclay Newman which accompanies the UBS Greek New Testament. A number of the idioms here were first pointed to me by an e-mail friend, Brent Hudson, who searched the L&N lexicon for NT Greek idioms. Abbreviation L&N = Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament Based on Semantic Domains, by Louw & Nida)
(literal English translations with idiomatic meaning in parentheses):
Mt. 1:18 EN GASTRI EXOUSA: she having in the belly (=she was pregnant)
Mt. 3.8 POIEW KARPON: to make fruit (=to produce results)
Mt. 6:22 if your eye is good (=if you are generous)
Mt. 6:23 if your eye is evil (=if you are stingy)

Mt. 8:12 TO SKOTOS TO EXWTERON: the outer darkness [=a place which is dark and removed (from where righteous ones are)]
Mt. 10:27 what you hear in your ear (=what you hear in secret)
Mt. 10:38 he who does not take his cross (=be prepared to suffer, including die)
Mt. 11:15 whoever has ears, let him hear (=everyone should listen carefully)
Mt. 22:16 you do not look at the face of men (=you do not judge on the basis of external appearances)
Mt. 23:32 Fill up the measure of your fathers! (=finish what your ancestors began)
Mk. 1:32 those having badly (=those who were sick)
Mk. 2:19 sons of the groom (=guests of the bridegroom)
Mk. 3.21 hOI PAR' AUTOU: those beside him (=his family)
Mk. 9:1 taste death (=die)
Lk. 3:5 EIMI EIS "to be into" (=to change into)
Lk. 16:22 KOLPOS ABRAAM: Abraham's bosom (=be with Abraham, heaven)
Jn. 1:16 grace upon grace (=one blessing after another; blessed time after time)
Jn. 2:4 what to me and to you? (Hebraism; =what does that have to do with us?)
Jn. 9:24 DIDWMI DOXAN TW QEW: give glory to God (=promise under oath to tell the truth)
Jn. 20:26 Peace be to you! (=Hello; a literal Greek translation from the most common Hebraic greeting, "shalom")
Acts 11:22 News of this came to the ears of the church (=the church heard about it)
Acts 15:10 placing a yoke on the neck (=burdening with obligations)
Acts 17:21 doing/making time (=spending time)
Acts 18:6 Your blood be upon your heads! (=You yourselves must take the blame for it!)
Acts 18:14 to open the mouth (=to speak)
Acts 20:33 ARGURION KAI CRUSION: silver and gold (=money)
Acts 22:14 to hear the voice (sound) of his mouth (=hear him speak)
Acts 26:14 PROS KENTRON LAKTIZEIN: kick against the goad (=to hurt oneself by active resistance)
Acts 28:27 they hear heavily with their ears (=be slow to understand)
Acts 28:27 hear with their ears (reflects Hebraic "cognate" construction; =to listen intently)
Rom. 1:17 from faith to faith (=faith from start to finish; see Benware article in The Bible Translator journal for this meaning)
Rom. 12:9 AGAPH ANUPOKRITOS: let love be not speaking from underneath (a mask) (=love without hypocrisy)
Rom. 12:20 you will heap burning coals on his head (=you will be very kind to him)
1 Cor. 7:35 BROCON EPIBALW: throw a bridle on (=restrict, control, impose restrictions)
1 Cor. 14:9 EIS AERA LALOUNTES: talking into the air (=talking with no one understanding)
1 Cor. 15:40 SWMATA EPOURANIA: heavenly bodies (=celestial objects)
2 Cor. 3:18 are being transformed from glory to glory (=are becoming ever more glorious)
Eph. 1:23 the fullness of him who fills all in all (uncertain meaning)
Col. 1:23 hUPO TON OURANON: under the sky (=on earth)
2 Thess. 3:12 eat their own bread (=work for a living)
Heb. 8:9 I took them by the hand (=I carefully guided them)
Heb. 12:28 Let us have grace (=Let us be thankful)
James 1:23 TO PROSWPON THS GENESEWS AUTOU: the face of his birth (=his natural face)
James 3:6 TON TROCON THS GENESEWS: the wheel of birth (=the cycle of life)
1 Peter 1:13 gird up the loins of your minds (=prepare your minds for action)
Jude 13 hO ZOFOS TOU SKOTOUS: the gloom of darkness (=gloomy hell)
Rev. 16:3 YUCH ZWHS: living soul (=living creature)
Rev. 20:10 LIMNH TOU PUROS: lake of fire (=great expanse of fire, place of destruction)

Websites:
http://bible-translation.110mb.com/otidioms.htm
http://bible-translation.110mb.com/ntidioms.htm ]]> Bible Chat ThyWordIsTruth http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/212994-Understanding-Hebrew-idioms-and-figures-of-speech http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/212993-Suddenly-feeling-tempted-again?goto=newpost Fri, 30 Jul 2010 05:25:03 GMT I'm a recovering drug addict. I've been clean for 9 years via Narcotics Anonymous. It's a great program and has worked well for me. But recently I've come under temptation again. I've been having thoughts of drinking for probably a month or so. I believe the temptation is linked to anxiety I feel about recently dealing with religious ideas standing between me and God (I spent 30 years in a works-based, fear-based cult that really screwed my concept of God). Since facing this issue of religion/doctrine/bible/God a few weeks ago I've started having constant headaches that last several days on end. I finally went to the doctor on Monday, who prescribed a narcotic pain reliever. Ordinarily I avoid anything narcotic so as not to set off my addiction again. But tylenol was not working and I cannot take nsaids. So far I have not abused this medication, have only taken it twice in fact, but my addict mind is thinking about it a lot, fantasizing about taking more than the prescribed dose, which would be disastrous to my life. Taking narcotics will always be dangerous for me because I truly am an addict. The addict thinking switches on even though I am taking the medication in the right dose for the right reason. I'm feeling scared about these thoughts of abusing the medication. I don't want to ever go back to the pits of active addiction. I suppose I'm looking for support and prayers. ]]> Recovery: Breaking The Chains daydream http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/212993-Suddenly-feeling-tempted-again http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/212992-fave-chick-band?goto=newpost Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:51:50 GMT i would have to say that im really diggin barlow-girl and superchick even tho theyre not a chick band just a chick lead singer. and chick guitar player i think that counts. What do you think????? i would have to say that
im really diggin barlow-girl
and
superchick
even tho theyre not a chick band
just a chick lead singer.
and chick guitar player
i think that counts.

What do you think????? ]]> Christian Fellowship PayableOnDeath http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/212992-fave-chick-band http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/212991-anger?goto=newpost Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:36:04 GMT Is this anger stage I am having * normal* ? I'm not angry at God for mom's death; I was blessed to have her as long as I did. I get angry with people esp if they are rude.. Last week on a trolley at the beach some guy and woman cut in front of me and I wanted to kick him. :oI actually lifted my foot and thought about it. :o This is NOT me....My mouth has not been 'nice' at times either about folks that I feel not to friendly to with things they do..Honestly not a foul word has come out of my mouth for a long time ( before this 'season' and I'm always nice, really I am, even when I don't feel like it..

I apologize for not being on here and supportive but have not been me...besides feeling better physically and am trying to play catch up and get ahead before fall returns...

Thanks :hug: ]]> Counseling Requests beachbum53 http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/212991-anger http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/212990-oh-yea-its-that-time-again.?goto=newpost Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:31:48 GMT so kids, did ya miss me??? probably not:cry: but its all good. ive had some time to think about things and i think that ive come up with some good debates. Lets get started, so kids, did ya miss me???

probably not:cry:
but its all good.

ive had some time to think about things and i think
that ive come up with some good debates.

Lets get started,

What is the more memorable memory (lol thats funny)

Your first Kiss(1)
or
Your first Heartbreak(2)

Whichever one you think put the number and why.
you dont have to put experiences if you dont wanna.
and please be respectful of each other, 'kay??:o ]]> Christian Fellowship PayableOnDeath http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/212990-oh-yea-its-that-time-again. http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/212988-Moving-Saturday?goto=newpost Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:15:28 GMT I'm moving not so far away from where I am now, same city even so I don't have to change my Bible Forum profile, ha! Please pray that the Lord watches over us and keeps my helpers from injury. ]]> Prayer andrew_no_one http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/212988-Moving-Saturday http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/212987-My-grandpa-is-in-the-hospital?goto=newpost Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:03:22 GMT Hi everyone. Could you all please pray for my grandpa on my mom's side of the family? He has advanced Parkinson's Disease and the other day he suffered from a stroke or something and now he is in the hospital. He is expected to live but he will have to be in a nursing home for a while starting on Sunday. Please pray for him. ]]> Prayer BibleGirl02 http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/212987-My-grandpa-is-in-the-hospital