Women as Pastors?

[GodSeeker]

Mainly because that's the only calling expressly forbidden to women by the Bible.

Everything else is fair game.

This was posted in a thread in the elections section but since my question had nothing to do with elections, I chose to quote the person here to ask my question.

I've heard this before, but can someone help me find where in the Bible it states that women are not allowed to be pastors? I am familiar with several churches that do permit women (and even homosexuals) to be pastors. I was a member of one over 10 years ago. It was a Lutheran church that I was going to at the time.

Thanks in advance! ;)

[karenoka27]

1 Timothy 2:12-"12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence"
I believe this is in the church only and in regards to being a Pastor/teacher.

1 Timothy 3:2-"A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;"

I believe the bishop here is speaking of a pastor/teacher. It says he must be the "husband" of one wife, therefore meaning a man. And it certainly does not say that she must be the wife of one wife or the husband of one husband, ruling out homosexuality.

Some may disagree with this, but this is the what I believe is the truth from the Word of God.

[Tanya~]

Hi Courtney,

The Scripture teaches that women are not to teach or usurp authority over a man, and this is generally interpreted to mean that women are not permitted to be pastors. Here is the Scripture:

1 Tim 2:8-15
I desire therefore that the men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting; 9 in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing, 10 but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works. 11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. 12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 15 Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.
NKJV

In verse 12 the words "have authority" is translated from a Greek word that refers to controlling, domineering.

NT:831

37.21 NT:831 authenteo

to control in a domineering manner - 'to control, to domineer.'

...

I do not allow women ... to dominate men' 1 Tim 2:12. 'To control in a domineering manner' is often expressed idiomatically, for example, 'to shout orders at,' 'to act like a chief toward,' or 'to bark at.'
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

NT:831

3. authenteo NT:831, from autos, "self," and a lost noun hentes, probably signifying working (Eng., "authentic"), "to exercise authority on one's own account, to domineer over," is used in 1 Tim 2:12, KJV, "to usurp authority," RV, "to have dominion." In the earlier usage of the word it signified one who with his own hand killed either others or himself. Later it came to denote one who acts on his own "authority"; hence, "to exercise authority, dominion." See DOMINION, Note.
(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, Copyright © 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers.)

[GodSeeker]

Would such apply to women as college professors too? By the time folks to go college they're legally adults (men and women). There are many women who teach at a collegiate level. Is that also not biblical?

[Tanya~]

I don't think a college is a church so, I don't think it would apply.

[CoffeeCat]

The Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry, CARM, has a good article on whether or not women should be pastors and elders (and therefore have authority over men). If you're interested, it's available right here (http://www.carm.org/questions/womenpastors.htm).

As others have said, it seems that women are not allowed to hold pastorships, be elders or exercise authority over men in the church alone. I haven't seen anything yet in the Bible that would suggest women can't or shouldn't teach in schools, regardless of the grade level being taught. I would, however, say that a woman teaching Bible seminary courses to men would likely be considered biblically incorrect -- but most people are concerned with women teaching in elementary schools, high schools or colleges/universities on generally secular subjects.

What we can't and shouldn't forget is that even though women ought not to be pastors over men, there's SO much good, so much great stuff, a woman CAN do in church. Prayer teams, worship teams, youth group activities, children's church, women's ministries and bible studies, welcome teams, choirs, scripture readers, outreach programs, other volunteer opportunities with the church including bake sales or whatever.... there's quite enough great stuff we ladies CAN do. More than enough, I think, to keep us busy and effective all the same.

[Elouise]

Female as well as male Proffesors teach pastoral theology to trainee pastors. Even the Catholic church makes use of female PhDs to train priests in Catholic seminaries.

Not all who carry pastoral responsibility preach.

Whilst I carry a level of pastoral responsibilty in interacting with trainee ministers/pastors et al and also in the work I undertake for church I do not preach but I do write.

[karenoka27]

I agree with Tanya. This is where so much confusion comes in. The Bible is clearly speaking in the spiritual sense as a leader of a church.
This is why I believe it is ok for a woman to be in politics.
Judges 4:4-" Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was leading Israel at that time."

[GodSeeker]

I don't think a college is a church so, I don't think it would apply.

From 1 Timothy 2...

7Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
8I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
9In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.


I don't see anywhere that specifies that women can't be pastors. Ann I read from this is that women aren't allowed to teach. Teach, not preach. So isn't this verse saying that women aren't allowed to have any authority over men in general? That would include collegiate level teaching, wouldn't it? I don't believe it includes pre-college education since males are not classified as "men" during that time. They aren't adults.




It brings me to another question. Verse 9 mentions that women shouldn't wear gold. My wedding band is gold. What material should I have my wedding band made from instead since wearing gold isn't biblical?


I am getting so confused....

[CoffeeCat]

It brings me to another question. Verse 9 mentions that women shouldn't wear gold. My wedding band is gold. What material should I have my wedding band made from instead since wearing gold isn't biblical?


I am getting so confused....

If you don't mind one answer on just this specific part...

To "adorn" means to "enhance the appearance of" or "to decorate with" -- as in, you'd adorn a Christmas tree with ornaments. I don't think I'd say it was unbiblical to wear a gold wedding band; after all, you're not decorating yourself in gold, right? You're wearing one band, and you're wearing it as a sign of your marriage and love for your spouse.... not to attract attention. I think the verse is probably denouncing those who'd deliberately cover themselves in flashy gold to attract attention.

[GodSeeker]

If you don't mind one answer on just this specific part...

To "adorn" means to "enhance the appearance of" or "to decorate with" -- as in, you'd adorn a Christmas tree with ornaments. I don't think I'd say it was unbiblical to wear a gold wedding band; after all, you're not decorating yourself in gold, right? You're wearing one band, and you're wearing it as a sign of your marriage and love for your spouse.... not to attract attention. I think the verse is probably denouncing those who'd deliberately cover themselves in flashy gold to attract attention.

That makes sense. I've always believed the definition of "adorn" to mean "to wear." I guess that's not completely accurate on my part.

[Tanya~]

The context of 1 Tim is guidelines for conduct in the church:

1 Tim 3:14-15
These things I write to you, though I hope to come to you shortly; 15 but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
NKJV

For that reason the teaching concerning roles for men and women do not necessarily apply outside of the church. That isn't to say that a wife should boss her husband around at home. :)

On the gold question, as women we do tend to concentrate on external beauty and don't put the value on cultivating inner beauty like we should. We think we make ourselves beautiful by wearing nice, stylish clothes and jewelry, and fixing our hair. The Holy Spirit would be pleased if we were more modest in how we present ourselves externally, and concentrate on the spiritual beauty that is of spiritual and eternal value.

Peter spoke on the same theme here:

1 Peter 3:1-4
Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the word, they, without a word, may be won by the conduct of their wives, 2 when they observe your chaste conduct accompanied by fear. 3 Do not let your adornment be merely outward — arranging the hair, wearing gold, or putting on fine apparel — 4 rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God.
NKJV

[amazzin]

Growing up in my dad’s church, I was able to observe first hand my mom and her role in the church. As was traditional, she was relegated to oversee the nursery care, the toddlers and women’s ministry which consisted of hospitality, prayer, women’s home group and shut in meals, etc. However, on Sundays, she was front and center sitting in the front pew all nice and presentable

But from a very young age I was perplexed by this image of a pastor’s wife on her best Sunday behaviour and wondered often about the gifts that God has given her and others. Specifically, the leadership gifts of the women n the church.

Now, I have debated this with my dad and others over the years. I even debated them at a PAOC General Conference one year when there was a movement afoot to give women more leadership powers in the church.

There are several long-standing arguments that have been levelled against women as ministers.


The Bible establishes a pattern of all-male priesthood or ministry.

Aaron and his son called by God
Jesus chooses men as disciples

Due order prevents a women from being in authority over a man

Because God created man first and the women to be a helper (Gen 2:18)
Man is the head of the women (1 Cor 11:2,3)
Women must be allowed to exercise authority over a man (1 Tim 2:12)
Having women as ministers would violate the due order of a male leadership

No examples of women as ministers found in scripture
I read Dick Benjamin’s book where he states. “The gifts spoken about in Ephesians are given by Christ the apostle, Christ the prophet, Christ the teacher, Christ the master and head of the church, infusing His personality into the five masculine ministries which were to lead the church into perfection. They are not valid ministries for women”. He also states that “Ruling is not a feminine function,….women missionaries, single or married, are out of order in attempting to fulfill any of the ministries of a minister”.

But an equal number of reasonable arguments can be made to assert that women can be ministers.


Deborah is an example of a women raised up by God and placed in a governmental position (Judges 4-5). She became a military commander and the governess of a nation. Though many say that God chose a women only because men failed to fill the role, it is difficult to see how an omnipotent God could not find one man among tens of thousands in Israel that could suitably lead. In this case, God’s choice to govern was a woman.


Women played vital roles in Paul’s Ministry. Don Williams says; “The sharing of women in ministry calls forth the strongest affirmation from Paul.”

Phoebe has been a helper to the apostle (Romans 6:2)
Priscilla joined Aquilla in risking her neck for Paul and all the churches are thankful for her (Romans 16:3-4)
Mary worked hard among the Romans (Romans 16:6).
Rufus’s mother mothered Paul (Romans 16:13)
Nympha has a church in her house (Col4:15)
Chloe’s people report to Paul (1 Cor 1:110
Lois and Eunice have a sincere faith (1 Tim 1:5)

It is the incidental nature of these references that makes them all the more impressive. Paul loved, affirmed, and depended upon, and ministered with women. They are fellow workers in the gospel


Scriptural and Historical reasons lead us to believe that women can be involved in government as well as ministry positions.

Phoebe was noted by Paul as a “servant” (literally, minister) of the church at Cenchrea, and a “succorer (prostasis) of many”. The meaning of “prostasis” is a women set over others. This indicates a position of considerable authority. Evidently she was able to comply with scriptural principles of authority, headship and covering while maintaining a position of oversight

Although women were not found among the Twelve, the twelve were ordained as apostles to Israel where the presence of women in leadership would not have been accepted. One cannot reasonably argue that women cannot be ministers because they were not among the Twelve. Further, by using this faulty logic (Isaia’s emphasis) we would be able to argue that because no African men were among the twelve, African men cannot be ministers, and so on. This kind of thinking would not be logical.

My last point and I am finished. We cannot overlook the amazing words of the apostle Paul in 1 Thess. 2:6-8, where he describes his apostolic ministry in decidedly female terms such as “nursing and cherishing”. It is unlikely Paul would have chosen such language if he had been afraid of combining the concepts of femininity and apostleship in the same context.

So, given all this, we may reasonable conclude that women may serve Christ in government and ministry positions if their gifting, character and proper relationship with God-ordained authority allow it, and if they are sovereignty called by God. Although it appears that this type of ministry is possible, it also appears to be infrequent. Conservative openness is a wise position in the service of a God of order and sovereignty. Above all, the issue must never be allowed to polarize or divide the Body of Christ. People of goodwill and sincere faith can disagree about this point while maintaining the ministry anointing and passion in their lives

Whatever, position one holds to, it is undeniable that women have been a key force in Biblical times. I shudder to think where we would be if all women in history who have lived and worked as missionaries and overseers had not been allowed to do so. Kevin Conner, a noted author, eloquently states, “If ever women should find their place and find fulfillment, surely it should be in the redemptive and covenant community, the church”. Women are too gifted and too numerous to exclude from meaningful involvement in the important task of world evangelization and ministry.”

[Revinius]

I don't think anyone is arguing that women don't have a grasp on the Word, only that they would rather not sin than sin than break the boundaries set forth in the Word regarding the order of relationships. We can argue ourselves to death on this point but the fact is that women are mentioned on par with definate roles (as are men) and they should endeavour to excel in such roles (as should men).

[1of7000]

as far as i've seen from the Word of God there are only two offices in the church structure. a bishop (episkopos) and a deacon (diakonos).

"pastor" in todays religion is a man made term for the leader of a church of the building.

the church of the body has gift ministries that are given to the body for its edification. there is no reason that a woman cannot have the gift of pastoring. as a matter of fact in view how a pastor ministers i would say women are more suited for that particular ministry.

I have no problem following whomever God ordains above me cause it don't matter male or female, jew or gentile, bond or free we are all equal. in this age of grace it doesn't matter who i learn from as long as i can learn.

i'm sorry but me and foolish traditions just don't get along especially when those traditions become a stumbling block to the church of the body. a godly woman that knows what's what is much better to follow than a man that's lost in the sauce.

[Rufus_1611]

...

"pastor" in todays religion is a man made term for the leader of a church of the building.

...

"Pastor" is a Bible term, found below and in seven other verses.

"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;" - Ephesians 4:11

[Tanya~]

as far as i've seen from the Word of God there are only two offices in the church structure. a bishop (episkopos) and a deacon (diakonos).

"pastor" in todays religion is a man made term for the leader of a church of the building.

The term 'pastor' means 'shepherd.' Elder (or bishop or overseer) is the title, pastor is the function. For example:

Acts 20:17-18, 28-31

From Miletus he sent to Ephesus and called for the elders of the church. 18 And when they had come to him, he said to them ... take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. 29 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. 31 Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.
NKJV

So our modern churches call them pastors. A woman can certainly function in a pastoral capacity, but it is hard to find a woman in Scripture in the position of an overseer of the flock of God.

[1of7000]

what if an area needs a teacher to be the lead ministry in an area, or an evangelist needs to be in charge for a while, what if there are no pastors that have the spiritual savvy to be in charge?

the office of overseer or deacon is an office. they are the designated leader of a fellowship. there is a difference between an office and a gift ministry. an office is always needed but the need for a ministry will vary.

[1of7000]

"Pastor" is a Bible term, found below and in seven other verses.
"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;" - Ephesians 4:11



I'm quite aware

[Tanya~]

Scripturally speaking, the elders oversee the whole congregation of the local church, and the deacons are in charge of the various ministries. You can see how this came about in Acts 6. We do see at least one woman named as a deacon in the NT -- Phebe in Romans 16:1.

[Xel'Naga]

I would certainly hate for a woman to excerise spiritual authority and point out sin in my life :rolleyes:

[1of7000]

overseers and deacons responsibilities will vary with the size of the fellowship.

a small fellowship in a remote are may need an evangelist.

a larger fellowship may need a teacher to develop believers Christ life.

a mega church will require helps and governments to be in charge (James became leader of the church in Jerusalem).

there are many factors to consider when a leader is chosen for a responsibility gift ministry is one of them.

The Word is a lot more flexible than the church of the building allows.

[1of7000]

I would certainly hate for a woman to excerise spiritual authority and point out sin in my life :rolleyes:

Until you get to the point in your life that you are willing to learn from anyone,anywhere,anytime you will stifle your walk with Father.

[*Hope*]

It's a matter of authority, not a title. A woman isn't supposed to have spiritual authority over a man.

[Revinius]

Until you get to the point in your life that you are willing to learn from anyone,anywhere,anytime you will stifle your walk with Father.

Yeah cos Satan's theology is totally gonna help me in my walk....

[1of7000]

Yeah cos Satan's theology is totally gonna help me in my walk....,

satan's theology is God's Word only twisted.

if you have a solid foundation in God's Word and live it you can prove all things and hold fast to the good. otherwise you allow fear to rule your life and learn nothing but fear. my God has not given me a spirit of fear but of power, love and a sound mind.

[Revinius]

,

satan's theology is God's Word only twisted.

if you have a solid foundation in God's Word and live it you can prove all things and hold fast to the good. otherwise you allow fear to rule your life and learn nothing but fear. my God has not given me a spirit of fear but of power, love and a sound mind.

So your previous statement doesnt hold water, we shouldnt just learn from anyone or anything, but guard the truth and build on its solid foundations. A solid Christian is one who knows how fickle they truly can be.

[apothanein kerdos]

From 1 Timothy 2...

7Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
8I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
9In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.


I don't see anywhere that specifies that women can't be pastors. Ann I read from this is that women aren't allowed to teach. Teach, not preach. So isn't this verse saying that women aren't allowed to have any authority over men in general? That would include collegiate level teaching, wouldn't it? I don't believe it includes pre-college education since males are not classified as "men" during that time. They aren't adults.




It brings me to another question. Verse 9 mentions that women shouldn't wear gold. My wedding band is gold. What material should I have my wedding band made from instead since wearing gold isn't biblical?


I am getting so confused....

I think the problem stems from the unfortunate fact that there really isn't a good English translation of this passage.

Paul is speaking of the church government and proper action in church. He's saying that women shouldn't be (1) teaching men in church and (2) holding positions of authority in church.

We first look to the word "silence" which in Greek is hesychia. If you look to the Greek word, translating it as "silence" is really doing the Greek injustice. The word is better translated as the thought it conveys, to the point it should read:

Let them learn within their selected role by God in all submission.

Now, this still doesn't sound too good to our modern ears. After all, isn't is chauvinists who want their wives perpetually pregnant and standing in the kitchen barefoot who constantly say women should know their role?

When we say "role" we don't mean it in a chauvinistic sense. According to Christian theology, both men and women have role's. A man who abuses his wife or is constantly out of the house ignoring his family should likewise know his role. The Bible is merely saying women should live up to the role God has provided them.

The Greek word for "teach" likewise holds the connotation of doctrinal or moral instruction with authority. This is to say a female can't - in a church - teach men doctrine with any sense of authority. This is not to say she can't have input - input isn't necessarily teaching with authority - but it is to say she can't hold the pastoral roles of teaching or shepherding the church.

Now, how do we know this applies specifically to a church and not, say, a college? I would say, what is the purpose of 1 Timothy? The purpose is to explain how a church should operate. It doesn't really explain personal Christianity, but instead deals with corporate Christianity. Since this passage is found in 1 Timothy, we can safely assume that this passage refers to teaching in a church.

I would encourage you to continue your desire to teach at a college - that is a valid calling for a woman.

[1of7000]

Recieve with meeknes the engrafted word as ye have been taught... Moses was the meekest man to God's Word in the bible. he was in charge of all the jews coming out of egypt and yet his father in law was able to show him a more effective way to minister to his people.
Moses could have blustered and postured and proclaimed he was God's annointed and who are you to tell me that yada yada... but he didn't he was willing to learn from anyone at anytime anything.

"willing to learn" was the key to understanding my meaning. are you meek enough to take reproof from an "unbeliever". are you humble enough to learn a spiritual principle from an infidel and do you keep watch for God's quirky sense of timing in how He teaches you what you need to know not neccessarily what you pridefully think you should be learning.

God's Word is not lived in a weekly excersise of beatific plattitudes nor the over detailed study of "original" texts.

it is learned and lived by interacting with other humans and looking for God to teach and He will use anyone,anywhere, at anytime. Watch and be ready.

[Revinius]

Recieve with meeknes the engrafted word as ye have been taught... Moses was the meekest man to God's Word in the bible. he was in charge of all the jews coming out of egypt and yet his father in law was able to show him a more effective way to minister to his people.
Moses could have blustered and postured and proclaimed he was God's annointed and who are you to tell me that yada yada... but he didn't he was willing to learn from anyone at anytime anything.

"willing to learn" was the key to understanding my meaning. are you meek enough to take reproof from an "unbeliever". are you humble enough to learn a spiritual principle from an infidel and do you keep watch for God's quirky sense of timing in how He teaches you what you need to know not neccessarily what you pridefully think you should be learning.

God's Word is not lived in a weekly excersise of beatific plattitudes nor the over detailed study of "original" texts.

it is learned and lived by interacting with other humans and looking for God to teach and He will use anyone,anywhere, at anytime. Watch and be ready.

I do not disagree that we can experience truth in reality, but that truth needs a foundation, the Word of God. Without such a foundation, the 'truth' one gets from the world will always be of the world.

[1of7000]

,

satan's theology is God's Word only twisted.

if you have a solid foundation in God's Word and live it you can prove all things and hold fast to the good. otherwise you allow fear to rule your life and learn nothing but fear. my God has not given me a spirit of fear but of power, love and a sound mind.


there is a balance that needs to be maintained.

[Tanya~]

Please bring it back to the OP guys, and remember we're in the New in Christ forum. Thanks!

[1of7000]

thanks tanya and my apologies.

in attempt to clear up my stand on women apointed to spiritual leadership. God's primary will is for men to lead. there are occasions when a women takes the helm and it is of God. for instance if no man is willing or able to lead or if for a time a woman's touch is needed in an area. if a woman is placed in a position of authority then the same respect is due her as a man holding the same position.

i sometimes think that if someone will not listen to a woman then a woman is placed over them until they develop the meekness that is required to truly learn the breadth,length,depth and height of God's heart.

[Revinius]

thanks tanya and my apologies.

in attempt to clear up my stand on women apointed to spiritual leadership. God's primary will is for men to lead. there are occasions when a women takes the helm and it is of God. for instance if no man is willing or able to lead or if for a time a woman's touch is needed in an area. if a woman is placed in a position of authority then the same respect is due her as a man holding the same position.

i sometimes think that if someone will not listen to a woman then a woman is placed over them until they develop the meekness that is required to truly learn the breadth,length,depth and height of God's heart.

In the same sense though, that women who is in power should acknowledge her biblical position and only hold the position as something akin to a temporary regent while pursuing raising up a godly man who can take the yoke of responsibility Adam forsook.

[graceforme]

From 1 Timothy 2...

7Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
8I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
9In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.


I don't see anywhere that specifies that women can't be pastors. Ann I read from this is that women aren't allowed to teach. Teach, not preach. So isn't this verse saying that women aren't allowed to have any authority over men in general? That would include collegiate level teaching, wouldn't it? I don't believe it includes pre-college education since males are not classified as "men" during that time. They aren't adults.




It brings me to another question. Verse 9 mentions that women shouldn't wear gold. My wedding band is gold. What material should I have my wedding band made from instead since wearing gold isn't biblical?


I am getting so confused....


Don't allow these issues to confuse you. We have to take into consideration who was being spoken to and the time era involved to make sure we don't take passages out of context. Keep in mind that in Biblical days, women wore braided hair, lots of gold and bangles and suggestive clothing to "advertise" that they were available. They were not the respectable women of that time. The married women dressed modestly, and didn't "adorn" themselves in this manner.

Hope this helps. God Bless.

[Revinius]

Preaching is teaching...

[1of7000]

Preaching is kerouso

Teaching is didasko

Preaching is holding forth

Teaching is explaining

Preaching is not Teaching

[Revinius]

Indeed, preaching and teaching are different words, but they are still the basic same thing whether you put the teaching in a Bible study small group or in a hall at church. They are all an exegesis of a passage with the view to knowing the gospel.

[1of7000]

Indeed, preaching and teaching are different words, but they are still the basic same thing whether you put the teaching in a Bible study small group or in a hall at church. They are all an exegesis of a passage with the view to knowing the gospel.

preaching is declaring the gospel to the unbeliever not in a formal setting.
teaching is expounding scriptures for a more detailed understanding.

preaching brings people to a teaching platform. they are different because they are not the same.

[Tanya~]

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