do you consider yourself a worm in comparison to god?

[benedict]

if so, do you consider it normal christian behaviour?

do you think this exhibition of self-flogging makes god happy?

[Theophilus]

Howdy, Mr. Thumbs Up guy. :) I do like a positive person.

To answer your first question, yes...and no.

Speaking of the infinite, we're talking about God, Creator of all things. He is, IMHO (which is held by others, as you know) all powerful, all knowing, and ever present. He is infinite and eternal.

So, in the grand scale of things, yeah, I'm a worm.

OTOH, He loved me enough to send His Son for me, so He must assign a very high value to me.

Therefore, while I'm a "worm" in comparison to God, I'm special to Him, and therefore, not a worm, either.

Boy, that probably helped not a bit. :rolleyes:

Normal behavior? I don't know, really. I think many have pondered their insignificance in relation to God...you know, that "I'm a speck of dust on a small plant in one universe of many, and God made all of it" thought progression.

As for question three, I don't think He requires or even cares for flogging of one's self. If He did, I would expect it to be spelled out in scripture...and I'm here to tell you, such an act is not mentioned as something He desires. Scripture even mentions that God wants obedience, NOT sacrifice...so I think we can draw a conclusion from that that flogging is not a needed or desired practice God endorses.

[benedict]

Howdy, Mr. Thumbs Up guy. :) I do like a positive person.

To answer your first question, yes...and no.

Speaking of the infinite, we're talking about God, Creator of all things. He is, IMHO (which is held by others, as you know) all powerful, all knowing, and ever present. He is infinite and eternal.

So, in the grand scale of things, yeah, I'm a worm.

OTOH, He loved me enough to send His Son for me, so He must assign a very high value to me.

Therefore, while I'm a "worm" in comparison to God, I'm special to Him, and therefore, not a worm, either.

Boy, that probably helped not a bit. :rolleyes:

Normal behavior? I don't know, really. I think many have pondered their insignificance in relation to God...you know, that "I'm a speck of dust on a small plant in one universe of many, and God made all of it" thought progression.

As for question three, I don't think He requires or even cares for flogging of one's self. If He did, I would expect it to be spelled out in scripture...and I'm here to tell you, such an act is not mentioned as something He desires. Scripture even mentions that God wants obedience, NOT sacrifice...so I think we can draw a conclusion from that that flogging is not a needed or desired practice God endorses.that makes sense...
i'm curious, as i've been accused of self righteousness for not considering an invertebrate in comparison to something i don't believe in.

i have to say, speck of dust has a more positive ring to it...

[Theophilus]

that makes sense...
i'm curious, as i've been accused of self righteousness for not considering an invertebrate in comparison to something i don't believe in.

I'm glad...sometimes us wormfolk have a hard time expressings ourselves. ;)

i have to say, speck of dust has a more positive ring to it...

Yeah...unless you happen to be a speck of dust on a worm!
:lol:

[graceforme]

I think one of the most negative aspects of some Christians' life is that they continue to "flog" themselves on a regular basis. They don't understand who they are in Christ - joint heirs with Christ, and adopted children of the Most High God. Unfortunately, at times, we allow our behavior to determine our identity, rather than determining our identity by our trust in Christ's shed blood.

I agree with former posts. Yes, we are worms, and no, we're not. God loved us so much that He provided a way for us to spent eternity with Him in glory. And I'm so thankful that He thought so much of us lowly worms that He provided a new identity - child of God.

God is good ..... all the time.
All the time ..... God is good!

[amazzin]

if so, do you consider it normal christian behaviour?

do you think this exhibition of self-flogging makes god happy?

The Bible says I am a Royal priesthood. Saved and redeemed.

The only time one should view ourselves as "little" is when we are in sin, which separates us from God

[ServantofTruth]

The bible has too many wonderful passages in many books. Lets look at Revelation, the last book of the bible.

Revelation chapter 7: verses 9-17 It speaks for itself. Wouldn't you love to be part of that 'crowd?' The Lamb of God, Jesus Christ, is 'the way, the truth and the life.'

In the Old Testament the Jewish people sacrificed animals, so that God looked from their sin over to the sacrifice. In the same way God today, for those who accept the cross of Jesus Christ, looks not at their sin - but at the sacrifice of his Son Jesus Christ.

If i was like a worm or you were, i think Luke's gospel chapter 15: verse 7 wouldn't say 'In the same way there is more happiness in heaven because of one sinner who turns to God than over ninety nine good people who don't need to.'

God misses nothing, whether we are following his way at the moment or not. The journey of faith begins for us all, with a single step.

All you have to do is ask Jesus Christ into your life. Such a small step and the rest follows quite naturally. Love SofTy.

[markinro]

Speaking of our phyical bodies ? How about animated DUST ?

Speaking of our spirit ? We are a royal priesthood, a chosen generation, a holy nation, a peculiar (unique) people that we should shew (show) forth the praises of Him who hath called (and we heard) you out of darkness and into His marvellous light

1 PET 2:9

[dljc]

if so, do you consider it normal christian behaviour?

do you think this exhibition of self-flogging makes god happy?Benedict, how do you get "self-flogging" from what I said here?


You see Benedict, I am willing to admit I am a worm. I have done things I'm not proud of, in fact I'm ashamed of them. Because I know that the path of least resistance, is the broad path that leads to destruction. But I have a Savior who took my place in the wrath of God, a place I truly deserve to have to be, because like you, I have done things I would not share telling them to anyone. But He already knows what those things are, and He's forgiven me for them. There is no rationalizing the fact that I have done the things I've done and deserve the full wrath of God for those actions. I have looked at the world objectively and I agree there are things we will never know about this universe, among other things. But I am still the same person who committed those things that were not pleasing to Him. I was a worm, now I'm His child. Can you see the truth in what I just wrote? Are you willing to admit you're just a worm and need a Savior?Admitting one has sinned is the first step. If you don't think you have sinned, then you're only fooling yourself.

[Literalist-Luke]

if so, do you consider it normal christian behaviour?

do you think this exhibition of self-flogging makes god happy?On the contrary, we are the masterpiece of God's creation. He considers us so valuable that he would rather die a horrible death on a cross and visit the grave on our behalf rather than live peacefully in heaven without us. That doesn't sound to me like a worm. We are His masterpiece. :thumbsup:

[tango]

if so, do you consider it normal christian behaviour?

do you think this exhibition of self-flogging makes god happy?

Do I consider myself a worm? I'm not sure I'm that good :)

Seriously though, as a human I represent the pinnacle of God's creation, the culmination of those six days described in Genesis. Unfortunately, as a human, I also represent some of the worst of sinfulness.

In terms of human worthiness it's easy to see how special we are to God, and how desperately he wants a relationship with us. After all, he created us in his image and ultimately sent his son to die for us, so that we didn't have to.

But unfortunately it's also easy to see just how far short we have fallen of the standard God expects. Look at humans and animals - animals don't hate each other, they don't judge each other, they don't covet, they don't store up treasures for themselves, and so on.

I don't think acknowledging our own unworthiness is anything to do with beating ourselves up, just being realistic about ourselves. We can't fix a problem without first acknowledging that there is a problem.

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

[ServantofTruth]

In my reading today David (who later become King) in 1 Samuel 26:20 (in the Hebrew) refers to himself as a flea. He does the same in 1 Samuel 24:15. Think of the extremes a great servant of God, his anointed chosen king, refering to himself as a flea.

David did many great things and a few very bad things, he was a prophet and king of Israel. I guess it depends if we look at things in man's way or God's way. SofTy. :saint:

[TrustGzus]

So I looked up worm in a very formal translation (NASB). It's not used much - only 17 times in 17 verses in the NASB.
It's usually used of . . . (drum roll) . . . worms! However, it is used of Jacob once. How about an interesting one. Read Psalm 22:6 and context.

[MrAnteater]

If you believe the evolutionists, we were all once worms!!! :lol:

[Richard H]

Hmmm…. In comparison to God?

The One who called all the atoms and molecules into being?
The One who brought forth quarks, photons and all the other subatomic particles?
The One who thought up the laws of Physics, and all the other laws of nature?
The One who set the Sun, the planets, all the moons, all the asteroids, the stars in every single star system - in every single galaxy in this seemingly infinite universe?
The One who invented light and the speed of light which remains constant even inside a black hole – yet takes more than forever to escape that gravity?
The One who established the way plants use sunlight to produce growth?
The One who created the balance of all the intricate biological systems which keep us alive?
The One who allows us to make sense of reflected light – in the form of vision?
The One who enables us to interpret the bumping waves of air molecules which we understand as sounds, speech and music?
The One who makes our neurons connect in ways that give us logic, intuition and creativity?
The One who made us self-aware and gave us free will?
The One who painted the world with the powerful beauty of nature?
The One who holds everything together?
The One who loved me and you enough that He sent His only Son to die in our place while we were yet sinners?
The One who cleansed us through the blood of Messiah so that He could put His Holy Spirit in us?
The One who inspired men of old to write down His living and powerful Word - to teach us and to speak to us?
The One who is able to keep His own?
The One who saved us from the second death?
The One who is not only holy, righteous and just, but also patient loving and merciful?
The One who is faithful even when we aren’t?
The Ancient of Days who knows the beginning, the end and everything in-between?
The great YHWH?
The I Am That always was and ever shall be?

…. i think i am less than a worm.

I’m glad He doesn’t think so. He calls me “My child”.
And you also.

[Sold Out]

if so, do you consider it normal christian behaviour?

do you think this exhibition of self-flogging makes god happy?


1) Actually, more like an ant.

2) No, it does not make God happy. They are trying to earn God's favor by their own efforts instead of trusting in the finished work of Christ.