Please pray for a girl in my son's class

[moonglow]

There is this girl in my son's class that is a preachers daughter...my mom and her husband go to their church...that is well I guess going through a rather rebellious stage right now. She is really giving my son a hard time, calling him names...saying she doesn't have to be like her dad (who is the pastor of that church) and just being very mean and spiteful. Nate has known her for years through the church and school and doesn't understand this change in her. He took AWANA at her church for a couple of years too. She has always been so sweet and nice and now this. Now I was a PK for awhile when I was a teenager and I know they can rebel even worse then other kids at times...but usually not until the teenage years! She is only in sixth grade. Nate is getting very angry at her and starting to call her names back...which yes I got after him about...as he says, she just makes me so mad!

Each day is getting worse and worse between them. They sit by each other in class and this happens when the teacher is busy doing other things. I had told Nate to just go tell on her and so far he doesn't. He finally remember though that the teacher said if someone was bothering him when he was trying to do his classwork he could move....so he is going to try that tomorrow. I have talked and talked to him how to respond to her as a Christian should...turn the other cheek...and so forth but nothing was getting through until tonight. As I was getting ready to do our bed time prayers I felt the Lord prompting me to pray for her. So after our usual prayers I told Nate we needed to pray for her as something was obviously wrong. I told him Jesus tells us to love our enemies and PRAY for them...so I prayed and that seemed to finally sink in for him. So then he asked I post a prayer request on here for her...so I am.

I am on the verge of calling her mom and telling her what is going on...not sure if I should yet...just hate to see this all continue you know. Right now anyway we will just pray and hopefully Nate will just move when she starts in bugging him in school. Thanks.

God bless

[HisLeast]

Moonglow,

If you have good rapport with her parents, just call them and get it taken care of. Kids have enough to worry about without this kind of stuff hanging over their heads. You don't have to frame it as "what the devil is wrong with your little hellspawn" :P. Just tell them honestly that the two children are having a really hard time with each other and you were wondering if both parents can nip that kind of thing in the bud.



Full disclosure: I have no kids. :(

[Redneck Charger]

I am praying for Nate and his classmate.. that they will get along.. or Nate will move himself to other places in the classroom.. Please Jesus..:pray:

[moonglow]

Moonglow,

If you have good rapport with her parents, just call them and get it taken care of. Kids have enough to worry about without this kind of stuff hanging over their heads. You don't have to frame it as "what the devil is wrong with your little hellspawn" :P. Just tell them honestly that the two children are having a really hard time with each other and you were wondering if both parents can nip that kind of thing in the bud.



Full disclosure: I have no kids. :(

Well I don't know the mom that well...most casual conversation. I just told Nate to not let her have that kind of power over his emotions today and to get away from her if she starts bothering him. I always feel very unsure about calling parents because too many times they react badly in these situations and tend to get defensive and angry with me! Though she doesn't seem like that type...I am just hoping whatever is bothering this girl will let up soon and this is just very unlike her...something is just making her very angry it seems...:( Angry or hurt...upset..I don't know...

Thanks for the prayers.

Redneck Charger I am praying for Nate and his classmate.. that they will get along.. or Nate will move himself to other places in the classroom.. Please Jesus..

Thanks redneck...:)

God bless

[turtledove]

moonglow, I moved this to counseling requests since it was turning into advice and discussion and should be here. And..here more advice as well as prayer can be given.

I agree that calling the mother in this situation and explaining to her what is going on might be the best thing to do. Be sure you are really calm and recollected when you do. Maybe you and her can work it out together. Also talking to the teacher who should be more aware of these conflicts in class is another option.

Praying for your discernment in this and God's help.

:hug:owl

[moonglow]

moonglow, I moved this to counseling requests since it was turning into advice and discussion and should be here. And..here more advice as well as prayer can be given.

I agree that calling the mother in this situation and explaining to her what is going on might be the best thing to do. Be sure you are really calm and recollected when you do. Maybe you and her can work it out together. Also talking to the teacher who should be more aware of these conflicts in class is another option.

Praying for your discernment in this and God's help.

:hug:owl

That's fine in moving it. :)

Well the problem is ALL the regular teachers are now going to be gone three days out of the week to some class or workshop or something...I really hate this is happening. They did this to the teachers last years...they were gone so much! So half the time when I emailed his home teacher he didn't know what was going on because he wasn't there! :B Plus you can't email the sub teachers ...

That is why I thought maybe in this case it would work better to talk to the mom. Now Nate's regular teacher told him he could move away from the person bothering him to get his work done and even leave a note on her desk about the problem...but how is that going to work if she isn't there??? Very frustrating....

On top of this the sub doing their math and science had the whole class in an uproar yesterday but giving them all F's on a math paper the regular teacher had told her not to grade and had gone over it with them. The problem was the sub wanted them to round out all the problems when the book said, only if needed and the regular teacher was following the book...so they all got F's going by what the sub said...the sub in the home classroom though helped them get the correct grades...so its mass confusion right now. Plus this sub math teacher told the kids to not ask each other for help (which actually they are told to do normally) but to come to her for any questions...yet when they do she yells at them. So Nate was really wound up about all of that yesterday...:( So this is going on too....

My concern is of course how long can Nate keep his composure and not totally lose it or lose his temper? :( I was pretty alarmed over what he said to this girl yesterday as it was. I think what I will do is see how today goes with this girl and if its no better then I will call her mom.

Please pray for this whole situation! Thanks!

God bless

[turtledove]

...but how is that going to work if she isn't there??? Very frustrating....


My concern is of course how long can Nate keep his composure and not totally lose it or lose his temper? :( I was pretty alarmed over what he said to this girl yesterday as it was. I think what I will do is see how today goes with this girl and if its no better then I will call her mom.

Please pray for this whole situation! Thanks!

God bless

moonglow,

I am glad you are okay with moving this here to CR. On prayer requests it is good to just state what the need is briefly and not to elaborate all the details. God knows all of the details. Here is the place to seek counsel. I know you have been posting on prayer requests for a long time but we all need to trust that Miepie posted a good guideline.

http://bibleforums.org/forum/showthread.php?t=30230

Otherwise if we all start seeking counsel and giving counsel in prayer requests..it can become chaotic. Here is the place for Counseling needs to be shared and addressed by others who, for the most part, also offer their prayers.

Back to the problem of Nate's school situation. From what you have shared it does sound chaotic for those kids. But it's still early in the school year and, having been a teacher myself, I know how it takes time for working out things and getting a particular group structured and organized better. (into their routines and busy) Plus teachers are required to comply with their job requirements..like meetings, etc.

What about talking with the principal or administrator about it? (after much prayer..:help:), right? Or they might have a school counselor?? Maybe they need to explain about Nate's needs to his teacher so there will be more awareness. (that is if you can't talk with the teacher yet yourself)

As you say, yourself, waiting to see how it goes today would be good before you call the mom about the conflict between Nate and her daughter. Sometimes these things have a way of working themselves out especially as we pray.

I am aware as you have shared with us before about the limitations and challenges involved with Nate. Mainly though you need to give this over to the Lord and not to worry so much about all that happens.

prayerfully,

:hug:owl

[moonglow]

Yea I thought about those options but with the teacher not even there..its kind of hard to work things out...:( These teachers are gone ALOT! way too much...so much that in fact his teacher last year was complaining about it and said all the teachers are complaining. He even requested parents email if they didn't like them being gone so much so he could forward them to the superintendent. I realize they have to have workshops and things...but this is just to the extreme. The teachers were never gone that much at his other school. Anyway I sent his teacher an article about a study done that shows if the regular teacher is gone too much the children's grades suffer. But then he said the super wasn't listening to the teachers and thought maybe if he heard directly from the parents it would have an impact. I mean good grief...being gone three days out of five for maybe the rest of the school year? The subs will be the main teachers instead! :( So that just makes trying to work out things that much more difficult when problems come up.

At any rate, I am not letting this situation consume me by any means. Its just another bump in the road...seems like we travel down a bumpy road alot around here...:lol:

God bless

[turtledove]

Yea I thought about those options but with the teacher not even there..its kind of hard to work things out...:( These teachers are gone ALOT! way too much...so much that in fact his teacher last year was complaining about it and said all the teachers are complaining. He even requested parents email if they didn't like them being gone so much so he could forward them to the superintendent. I realize they have to have workshops and things...but this is just to the extreme. The teachers were never gone that much at his other school. Anyway I sent his teacher an article about a study done that shows if the regular teacher is gone too much the children's grades suffer. But then he said the super wasn't listening to the teachers and thought maybe if he heard directly from the parents it would have an impact. I mean good grief...being gone three days out of five for maybe the rest of the school year? The subs will be the main teachers instead! :( So that just makes trying to work out things that much more difficult when problems come up.

At any rate, I am not letting this situation consume me by any means. Its just another bump in the road...seems like we travel down a bumpy road alot around here...:lol:

God bless

Yikes, that is GONE a lot. Now...;)back in my day..that is in ancient times..Ha. we didn't get to be gone hardly ever. I wonder what all they do at all of those meetings. And subs so often..wow! Our meetings were held before or after school and I only remember them being occasionally. But that was then.

I only taught grade school a short time..mostly taught high school which was what I studied to do..and then eventually college. As an adjunct instructor at the university (history teacher) we never had to go to meetings. The chairman just called us up if they wanted something. Such freedom. Anyway, we never missed unless there was a major snow storm and road closure. Then we called off the class and everyone got a break. I loved teaching there. :spin:

Yep, good you'll not let it get you down cause could give a stomach ache.

God bless your day today,:hug: with prayers. :pray:

owl

[moonglow]

Yikes, that is GONE a lot. Now...;)back in my day..that is in ancient times..Ha. we didn't get to be gone hardly ever. I wonder what all they do at all of those meetings. And subs so often..wow! Our meetings were held before or after school and I only remember them being occasionally. But that was then.

I only taught grade school a short time..mostly taught high school which was what I studied to do..and then eventually college. As an adjunct instructor at the university (history teacher) we never had to go to meetings. The chairman just called us up if they wanted something. Such freedom. Anyway, we never missed unless there was a major snow storm and road closure. Then we called off the class and everyone got a break. I loved teaching there. :spin:

Yep, good you'll not let it get you down cause could give a stomach ache.

God bless your day today,:hug: with prayers. :pray:

owl

Yea they were gone so much and it upset Nate's teacher last years he decided to transfer to another school district..though he never said that was the reason, I suspect it was...:( They are teachers and want to teach but how can they if they are never in class?

God bless

[FaithfulSheep]

I'm trying to figure out why in the world the teachers are gone so much to workshops. That doesn't make any sense to me - and I am a teacher myself. Why in the world would the administration do that?? Anyways... I don't know about Nate's school, but at our school we have 2 extremely valuable resources - our guidance counselors. The students love both of them to death and they are really good at what they do. If his teachers are out a lot, what about talking to the guidance counselor?

I'm sure you know this, but if you do decide to contact the girl's parents remember to use I, we, and Nate a lot and not so much of the she and her. If you go in with strong words they may be more prone to think you are pointing fingers and blaming instead of searching for a resolution. ;)

[moonglow]

well I sent an email to the lady that does his IEP about some other issues going on...:rolleyes: And she thinks Nate misunderstood and its just these three days they are going to be gone...so I don't know. He is going to talk to the counslor and maybe her tomorrow to get some things straightened out...not in regards to this girl but in regards to one of the subs. I honestly don't understand what all happened except he was crying in math class because of this sub. I am hoping he can talk to staff and work out whatever the problem is himself...after mom won't always be there! As far this girl he barely mentioned her today...just said he is trying to get along with her better. I really think praying for her last night helped him quit being angry and to try to understand why she is acting like this...and stop this idea of 'getting back at her'. That is so against the teachings of Jesus..which I have told him and told him! Just wasn't sinking in until he saw me pray for her which I have to thank the Lord for having me do that. :)

God bless

[moonglow]

Just a little update...right at bed time after Nate was once again trying to explain to me what happened with this sub yesterday that had him crying and so upset he started feeling sick to his stomach. He said he felt that way for a bit at school yesterday. I think its stress...anxiety...from getting so upset..:( Poor kid. I told him that too. He is finally getting old enough to tell me how he is feeling physically. For years he would just get really cranky and act awful and I would give him a tyneol and he would feel better so start acting better. He simply couldn't tell me what was wrong. Alot of times he would be about to come down with something and a day or two later be sick...running a fever and all. I could almost always tell when he was getting sick just by how he acted! But if I asked him if he felt bad anywhere like a stomach ache or his throat hurting he couldn't tell me...not until it got really bad. Then he could indenitfy it was his throat or a bad headache from a sinuse infection. Whatever it might be.

At any rate now he is able to tell me what his body is doing and I know its anxiety. I explain how the mind affects the body..that when a person gets really upset the body response to that and it can take awhile for the body to calm down even after he has. I am also telling him things he can do to calm himself down like talk to God...tell himself to 'be calm' that type of thing. I told him how everyone reacts to stress differently. Some get stomach aches, some tighten their jaws, some tense up their shoulders...all of that results in discomfort or pain of course...tension! I am hoping as he gets more sensitive to what his body is doing he can then start working to control the anxiety and tension...realize he is tensing up and to make those muscles calm down.

Also talking to the people involved (in this case staff at school) to work out the problem will be the biggest access he can ever learn. Just doing nothing and continuing to get upset won't help him or anyone else!

I think the biggest problem is this sub is just doing things completely different then the regular teacher then gets mad at the kids when they are upset about this change. I told Nate this morning on the way to school that most people don't like change..especially when they don't know what to expect....go to do things like usual then get yelled at for it. No one likes that of course! Its like the children don't know what she wants and they are trying to do things the way their regular teacher taught them but then this lady gets upset with them over it then they are upset. I don't know that she is doing anything wrong...just different...very different and they have all been upset. She is making them rework the math problems they got wrong until they get it right (nothing wrong with that) but the regular teacher doesn't do that...she just has them mark the problem wrong. This threatening him to miss recess if he didn't rework them all until they were right just threw him over the edge! Too much pressure and of course he was angry about that.

I just hope she isn't going to be a regular sub there...that will be really hard on the kids to have their regular teacher there for two days doing things one way...then she comes in for three days and has them do things a completely different way! I am hoping things get all worked out today. I just told Nate he needs to explain this all to staff as I kept messing up in trying to tell them second hand as I really was confused about some of this stuff he was talking about. I said if they need to talk to me, they can call and I will come in...but I don't know what I would say since I don't fully understand everything that happened...ugh! being a parent is SO hard sometimes! On things like this half the time I don't know what I am doing! :B

God bless

[Vhayes]

Hi Moonglow -

Is there a possibility the girl in Nate's class has a crush on him and this is her way of getting him to pay attention to her? If she was "nice" to him and he ignored her (for whatever reason), this might be a way for her to get his attention.

Children at that age do all sorts of stuff that make no sense to you or me.

It was just a thought.
V

[turtledove]

Sounds like you are doing what you can. First weeks of school are always full of adjustments as you know. Best thing you can do from home is enforce what ever there is positive to enforce, listen, and give support. And, of course, keep right on praying.

I still have a time understanding why a subsitute would be there that often..unless this is just for these first couple of weeks. Is this really a sub..or another teacher who he thinks is a sub? Sometimes they do team teaching so I am wondering.

We included you and Nate and the school situation in our prayers here at home last night as I lifted up the forum to the Lord.

I am recommending a really good book to you which doesn't have anything to do with parenting but with another aspect of your daily life...giving counsel to others which you do so lovingly here on CR and on BTC.

This guy has a very strong and solid Christian, biblically based...focus He devotes the first chapters to showing how secular psychology has taken over the counseling field and argues that there should be an incorporation of the best of that and therapeutic techniques in Christian and pastoral counseling but not to lose sight of the biblical vision for the counselor. I am not saying this as a personal criticism of you in any way..but I found this has helped me update a bit which I am always trying to do..learn new things and get a better biblical perspective. Thus I am sharing it here with you and others who may want to be, as he says, "people helpers."

So..just in case you may be interested.. you can probably find it in a book store, library, or order it. I got mine from amazon and am keeping it handy for reference and refresher.

The Biblical Basis of Christian Counseling for People Helpers: Relating the Basic Teachings of Scripture to People's Problems..by Gary R. Collins. Dr. Collins is a licensed clinical psychologist and author of numerous books, including Christian Counseling and Family Shock.

Having been a parent three times around..that helps me here too to relate to family problems and understand how it goes when they are in school. All three of mine had different challenges and problems. My husband used to work away from home in various rural sites so I was often alone and responsible for everything then.


Just to let you know you are in thoughts and prayers this morning. (It's still mid-morning here) :pray:

:hug:

[moonglow]

Hi Moonglow -

Is there a possibility the girl in Nate's class has a crush on him and this is her way of getting him to pay attention to her? If she was "nice" to him and he ignored her (for whatever reason), this might be a way for her to get his attention.

Children at that age do all sorts of stuff that make no sense to you or me.

It was just a thought.
V

Well that is what got Nate so angry at her the other day...her and her friends (he sits by all girls) kept moving things around and he didn't like that. Nate does not like change..never has but is doing better dealing with it) so he kept moving things back and this girl finally asked him if he kept moving things back because he liked her. That just made him furious! And he told her no, she was mean and had buck teeth. (yes I know that was an awful thing for him to say and I really got after him about it)...I am embarrassed as a parent that he would say such a thing like that. :blush:

Anyway he said yesterday the girls still think he likes that one girl...:rolleyes: I really don't think he does. She has said worst things to him and been very rude to him. So who knows...kids. They should have soap opera's based on children's lives! They are naturally SO dramatic! :cool:

God bless

[moonglow]

Sounds like you are doing what you can. First weeks of school are always full of adjustments as you know. Best thing you can do from home is enforce what ever there is positive to enforce, listen, and give support. And, of course, keep right on praying.

I still have a time understanding why a subsitute would be there that often..unless this is just for these first couple of weeks. Is this really a sub..or another teacher who he thinks is a sub? Sometimes they do team teaching so I am wondering.

We included you and Nate and the school situation in our prayers here at home last night as I lifted up the forum to the Lord.

I am recommending a really good book to you which doesn't have anything to do with parenting but with another aspect of your daily life...giving counsel to others which you do so lovingly here on CR and on BTC.

This guy has a very strong and solid Christian, biblically based...focus He devotes the first chapters to showing how secular psychology has taken over the counseling field and argues that there should be an incorporation of the best of that and therapeutic techniques in Christian and pastoral counseling but not to lose sight of the biblical vision for the counselor. I am not saying this as a personal criticism of you in any way..but I found this has helped me update a bit which I am always trying to do..learn new things and get a better biblical perspective. Thus I am sharing it here with you and others who may want to be, as he says, "people helpers."

So..just in case you may be interested.. you can probably find it in a book store, library, or order it. I got mine from amazon and am keeping it handy for reference and refresher.

The Biblical Basis of Christian Counseling for People Helpers: Relating the Basic Teachings of Scripture to People's Problems..by Gary R. Collins. Dr. Collins is a licensed clinical psychologist and author of numerous books, including Christian Counseling and Family Shock.

Having been a parent three times around..that helps me here too to relate to family problems and understand how it goes when they are in school. All three of mine had different challenges and problems. My husband used to work away from home in various rural sites so I was often alone and responsible for everything then.


Just to let you know you are in thoughts and prayers this morning. (It's still mid-morning here) :pray:

:hug:
I gotta go here in a second but I want to thank you for that suggestion. Money is very tight right now but I will keep it in mind for later. :)

yes there is a fine line between secular help and true Christian help for sure! The bible is a wonderful counslor for finding peace in our minds for sure. :) Which I do share with Nate of course...especially about protecting what he allows into his mind. As the bible says to meditate only on those things lovely, good and pure (paraphrasing here) and that is so true! Thanks...

God bless

[moonglow]

Hey wiseoldowl...sorry I had to rush off yesterday and didn't get to really finish my reply to you..

but I found this has helped me update a bit which I am always trying to do..learn new things and get a better biblical perspective. Thus I am sharing it here with you and others who may want to be, as he says, "people helpers."

That is a wonderful idea...to have information 'updated'...

Years ago I leaned so heavily on the secular mental health to help my son...but they don't address the spiritual side of things which is so, so important! And sometimes really all that needs addressing. The therapy the medication can't help with that. Sometimes a person needs help with the mind, body and soul but when one is ignored it just doesn't work. I think this is why so many stay sick with anxiety or depression or whatever it is because usually the spiritual side is never addressed or dealt with. My son didn't start getting better until the spiritual side was addressed!

The more I read the bible the more I see so many verses addressing how we think ...how we should think I mean...the bible uses the word 'heart' in regards to the mind. What the mind is thinking affects the rest of the person too.

Matthew 15:10-12

10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

And what a person says is what they are thinking...what is in the heart.

6 So Jesus said, “Are you also still without understanding? 17 Do you not yet understand that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated? 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. 20 These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”

Anyway just to update on the latest (you all realize this thread may last the entire school year..) Nate's IEP lady talked to this sub...Nate talked to the school counselor..but says he can't remember what she said! :rolleyes: Things went better and the teachers will be back next week and the subs aren't coming back...so Nate did misunderstand thinking the teachers would only be there two days a week for the rest of the year...whew! I was relieved to hear that! Now that doesn't mean they won't be gone alot like they were last year. Last year was really bad with them having to be gone SO much to workshops and stuff...

So this bump in the road is over with now...:pp I am sure in the coming weeks there will be more...just the life of kids I think...

God bless

[CoffeeCat]

I'm praying for Nate and his classmates as they work their way through the school year. Aged 12-13 is something nobody could ever get me to repeat again, for love nor money... so I pray for his strength, that he finds his own routine and niche this year, that he stays encouraged to pray whenever he's upset, and that you'll maintain enough of YOUR sanity in the process of the months ahead. :)

[moonglow]

I'm praying for Nate and his classmates as they work their way through the school year. Aged 12-13 is something nobody could ever get me to repeat again, for love nor money... so I pray for his strength, that he finds his own routine and niche this year, that he stays encouraged to pray whenever he's upset, and that you'll maintain enough of YOUR sanity in the process of the months ahead. :)

I think some of this might be puberty...Nate has told me some things some girls have said to him that he really didn't want to hear! :rolleyes: These poor kids go around broke out in pimples and braces, suddenly greasy hair and all the other stuff they go through and they get moody! Very moody...so maybe that has alot to do with why this girl has been so grouchy lately...I don't know. I told Nate I wanted to wrap him in a cocoon and let him out when he is 18...(maybe!) :lol:

Thanks for the prayers!

God bless

[CoffeeCat]

18??? Naaaaaah...... 21. ;)

[moonglow]

18??? Naaaaaah...... 21. ;)

Ok 21 it is!

What I want to know is why a butterfly can do this while going through the change but teenagers can't??? :hmm: :lol:

[turtledove]

Hey wiseoldowl...sorry I had to rush off yesterday and didn't get to really finish my reply to you..




So this bump in the road is over with now...:pp I am sure in the coming weeks there will be more...just the life of kids I think...

God bless


Sure there is more ahead, just remember, dear one, that the Lord is watching over Nate and you too. When we are as committed to the Lord and in the Word and you surely are..the Spirit will use various ways to reach us and give us help.

As new issues arise about school be sure to start a new thread. [I am not a facilitator specifically in this section ] but another suggestion is that you might start a thread in the "family section" entitled something about the school challenges (in general) unless you are already doing that.

Posters who see this one here in which your original post shows the problem with Nate and the girl classmate may keep addressing that particular issue since as I notice many don't read a thread (especially a long one) before posting their reply.

:idea:The reason I like the approach of Collings (as I mentioned before in this thread) and other Christian counselors is that with them you know they are not coming from a worldly view but a scriptural perspective. Yet there are.. Christian (and even some pastoral) counselors who still use techniques that have been learned in the therapy field for years..which can help their counselees; however they are coming from a Godly perspective. In other words, they are not throwing out the baby with the bathwater. But he gets into much more than this one thing. I see the Spirit in what he writes. :) although our prime source of information is always God's Word itself.

Very often secular counselors and even some who say they are Christians are mainly humanists who are not always Christians nor coming from that perspective.

And you are right in that it is the whole person: body, soul, and spirit which needs help and healing.

Those of us who post here, including yourself, are mainly people helpers who try to give advice from a biblical perspective. And I am cheering for that!

Thinking of you and Nate prayerfully as I get ready to go to Sunday services this morning. :hug:

Sharing this:

Psalm 56:10 "In God, whose word I praise, in the LORD, whose word I praise--in God I trust; I will not be afraid. " :amen:

[moonglow]

Sure there is more ahead, just remember, dear one, that the Lord is watching over Nate and you too. When we are as committed to the Lord and in the Word and you surely are..the Spirit will use various ways to reach us and give us help.

As new issues arise about school be sure to start a new thread. [I am not a facilitator specifically in this section ] but another suggestion is that you might start a thread in the "family section" entitled something about the school challenges (in general) unless you are already doing that.

Posters who see this one here in which your original post shows the problem with Nate and the girl classmate may keep addressing that particular issue since as I notice many don't read a thread (especially a long one) before posting their reply.

:idea:The reason I like the approach of Collings (as I mentioned before in this thread) and other Christian counselors is that with them you know they are not coming from a worldly view but a scriptural perspective. Yet there are.. Christian (and even some pastoral) counselors who still use techniques that have been learned in the therapy field for years..which can help their counselees; however they are coming from a Godly perspective. In other words, they are not throwing out the baby with the bathwater. But he gets into much more than this one thing. I see the Spirit in what he writes. :) although our prime source of information is always God's Word itself.

Very often secular counselors and even some who say they are Christians are mainly humanists who are not always Christians nor coming from that perspective.

And you are right in that it is the whole person: body, soul, and spirit which needs help and healing.

Those of us who post here, including yourself, are mainly people helpers who try to give advice from a biblical perspective. And I am cheering for that!

Thinking of you and Nate prayerfully as I get ready to go to Sunday services this morning. :hug:

Sharing this:

Psalm 56:10 "In God, whose word I praise, in the LORD, whose word I praise--in God I trust; I will not be afraid. " :amen:

Good idea on starting a new thread on families in Christ when more bumps come up. I am kind of hoping for a break on this bumpy road right now and that things smooth out for awhile.. That would be nice! :pp

Thanks for explaining more on Collings ...sounds very interesting! :)

God bless

[Roelof]

moonglow

Praying with you :pray: