i want to know ...

[jojo1980]

hello all friends ....

i want some one to explain me the trinity and to tell me if sacred bible remembered the prohet of muslims Muhammed because some one of muslims said me that and said me that he has evedince prove that he is messenger of God and told me strange thing that all what happened in world the Quran ( book that muslim believe that from God) has more fact in all science ......
i want to tell me if that right and he told me that he had evedence about that .......
help me to discuss him
i wait that.......

[Buck shot]

hello all friends ....

i want some one to explain me the trinity and to tell me if sacred bible remembered the prohet of muslims Muhammed because some one of muslims said me that and said me that he has evedince prove that he is messenger of God and told me strange thing that all what happened in world the Quran ( book that muslim believe that from God) has more fact in all science ......
i want to tell me if that right and he told me that he had evedence about that .......
help me to discuss him
i wait that.......

Hello JoJo,

The Trinity is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

In the Bible we are told that even if an angel from heaven tried to preach another gospel he will be accursed...

Galations 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.


You have checked that you are not a Christian so why do you feel the need to discuss this with a muslim?

Who do you think Jesus is?

[jojo1980]

i meet christian regulary and say me about that and meet muslim one and both has evedincese says that each one has stron faith but muslim is so strong that he gave me thing i couldnt imagin that in this world except the scientest discover that but he shows me that it is in thier Quran............

[jojo1980]

sorry




thank you for your answer

[jojo1980]

Who do you think Jesus is?[/quote]



i think that jesus man and God creat him as us ..
and he isnt son of God ........
and i ask about trinity because i didnt think so that God exist in three

[moonglow]

i meet christian regulary and say me about that and meet muslim one and both has evedincese says that each one has stron faith but muslim is so strong that he gave me thing i couldnt imagin that in this world except the scientest discover that but he shows me that it is in thier Quran............

Scientist discovered what? I am having a very difficult time in understanding what you are saying in your post here...sorry.

[Buck shot]

When i used to teach children i used water to explain the Trinity.

H2O as we know it scientifically :) can be in either of three forms but is still H2O no matter which one it is...

Liquid-water- H2O
Solid- Ice - H2O
Gas- Steam-H2O

Interesting how often Jesus gives the "living water" to those who trust Him.

Do you believe the Book of Genesis?

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God... so the Father was already there.
Gen 1:2 ...the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. The Spirit was also there.
Gen 1:26 ...let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Jesus was also there.

[Sold Out]

Who do you think Jesus is?



i think that jesus man and God creat him as us ..
and he isnt son of God ........
and i ask about trinity because i didnt think so that God exist in three


The trinity is a hard concept.

The first verse of Genesis in the bible says, "God created the heavens and the earth..."

The hebrew word for God here is 'Elohim', which is plural. The verse could correctly read "Gods created the heavens and the earth."

This word Elohim is used over 2500 times in the Old Testament, always with a singular verb. God was making a statement - He is plural!

Not only that Jesus Christ plainly stated He is God. If you read the 8th chapter of the book of John, you will see.

[TrustGzus]

Hey jojo,

I talked with another member about the Trinity a while. Here's my explanation (http://bibleforums.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1088555&postcount=14). Check that out and see if that link helps.

[jojo1980]

When i used to teach children i used water to explain the Trinity.

H2O as we know it scientifically :) can be in either of three forms but is still H2O no matter which one it is...

Liquid-water- H2O
Solid- Ice - H2O
Gas- Steam-H2O

Interesting how often Jesus gives the "living water" to those who trust Him.

Do you believe the Book of Genesis?

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God... so the Father was already there.
Gen 1:2 ...the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. The Spirit was also there.
Gen 1:26 ...let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Jesus was also there.


suppose you want me to prove by some mathematical formula how water can remain water


and the same time be fire, or how a stone can


be a stone and at the same time be water too,


how can I do it? I do not think any sensible


man on earth can ever conceive such a


possibility…?how the Ever living God who


being the Ever living, can also at the same


time be a mortal! (i.e. be a man to suffer death at the hands of the other mortals?) And how


the same mortal being at the same time be the Absolute Immortal God?

[Gulah Papyrus]

Here's a great explanation of the Trinity from Ravi Zacharias...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIbR21AunvI

[Buck shot]

suppose you want me to prove by some mathematical formula how water can remain water





and the same time be fire, or how a stone can


be a stone and at the same time be water too,


how can I do it? I do not think any sensible


man on earth can ever conceive such a


possibility…?how the Ever living God who


being the Ever living, can also at the same


time be a mortal! (i.e. be a man to suffer death at the hands of the other mortals?) And how



the same mortal being at the same time be the Absolute Immortal God?

Water cannot be a rock or fire. Water will always be some form of H2O...

Another way to look at it was posted by a member here. I am just one person. Right?

I am a son to my parents...(called son)
I am a brother to my siblings...(called Bubba)
I am a husband to my wife...(called babe)
I am a student to my teachers...(called .......)
I am a teacher to my students...(called Dr. ......)
I am a Preacher to my church...(called brother)
I am a good samaritan by those who have a flat...(no name)
I am a brother to those everywhere in Christ...(called........)
I am a manager to my company...(called Boss)
I am a member of this site...(called Buck shot)
I am a mediater to this site...(called Buck shot)

I am still just one person but viewed in many ways by what task i am fulfilling at the time...I am still the other ones always and can even multitask most of the time...

God is in flesh when He walks among us. We call Him Jesus.

[Tanya~]

hello all friends ....

i want some one to explain me the trinity

The trinity is defined as one God, eternally existent in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. If you are truly interested in having an understanding of the tri-unity of God, the best and most accurate explanation I have heard relates to this:

Rom 1:20
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead
NKJV

The universe that God made is itself a trinity consisting of space, time, and matter. It is not part space or sometimes space, it is always space. It is not sometimes time or partly time, because time is always inextricably tied up with space and space is always inextricably tied up in time. The universe is not partly matter or sometimes matter, but matter is always linked and connected with space and time. There can be no division or separation of either of these aspects of the universe, because neither of the three ever exist without the other two. By the same token, space, time, and matter are also each tri-unities. Space has thre dimensions, time has past, present and future, and matter is energy, motion, and phenomena. You can read more about this if you are interested at this website (http://www.icr.org/article/2590/). I do hope that you truly are open to consider this.

[markdrums]

Here's an example I heard a couple years ago that makes it a little easier to get an understanding of how "three can be one".

Take an egg for example.

One egg has three distinct parts.
1. The Shell
2. The Yolk
3. The "white"

Now, each individual "part" is uniquely distinct from the other two. But all three are EQUALLY egg.

Each individual part has a specific quality & purpose, yet ALL THREE are still equal parts of that ONE egg.

The shell is JUST as much egg as the yolk, and the same with the "white".
And all three together as "ONE" egg, is still ONE EGG.

Know what I mean?
;)

[jojo1980]

Water cannot be a rock or fire. Water will always be some form of H2O...

Another way to look at it was posted by a member here. I am just one person. Right?

I am a son to my parents...(called son)
I am a brother to my siblings...(called Bubba)
I am a husband to my wife...(called babe)
I am a student to my teachers...(called .......)
I am a teacher to my students...(called Dr. ......)
I am a Preacher to my church...(called brother)
I am a good samaritan by those who have a flat...(no name)
I am a brother to those everywhere in Christ...(called........)
I am a manager to my company...(called Boss)
I am a member of this site...(called Buck shot)
I am a mediater to this site...(called Buck shot)

I am still just one person but viewed in many ways by what task i am fulfilling at the time...I am still the other ones always and can even multitask most of the time...

God is in flesh when He walks among us. We call Him Jesus.


ok
if we say that god is jesus
is this right that the people to punish God and crucify God
that mean ( as you say ) God hasnt power to protect him self..
what is this God who cant protect him self.....

[ServantofTruth]

Can i recommend a book called - explaining the trinity by Jack Hayford. (bible truth simply explained).

Can a human created being fully understand it's creator? Of course not. All we can do is learn as much as the Creator has decided is good to reveal to us. Most of this is in the bible. Love SofTy.

[Buck shot]

ok
if we say that god is jesus
And Jesus is God...
is this right that the people to punish God and crucify God
no, no more than it is right for us to dishonor or parents or other people...
Those people were as you are and do not know who Jesus or God really is :cry:
that mean ( as you say ) God hasnt power to protect him self..
He is the Alpha and Omega, He has the power to create life, take life, and then give it back. Why would He need protection. You are thinking too small. He did not fear death or pain because He controls them both...
People may have nailed Him to the cross because they were allowed to but Jesus only died bodily. His Spirit never died. He is God !
what is this God who cant protect him self.....
The Eternal Creator of all...

[Saved7]

hello all friends ....

i want some one to explain me the trinity and to tell me if sacred bible remembered the prohet of muslims Muhammed because some one of muslims said me that and said me that he has evedince prove that he is messenger of God and told me strange thing that all what happened in world the Quran ( book that muslim believe that from God) has more fact in all science ......
i want to tell me if that right and he told me that he had evedence about that .......
help me to discuss him
i wait that.......

Welcome to the forum JoJo...I have a very good friend who is muslim and from Iraq, if you have a hard time understanding us let us know, and we will try to explain it some other way...I know my friend has a hard time with english still too. :hug:
Mohammed is not mentioned in the bible anywhere. And I have read about 1/3 of the koran, not all in the same section, and found absolutely NO SCIENTIFIC evidence of anykind.
But since we are talking about science, did you know that the bible teaches that women were made from the rib of man, and not of some lesser filthy soil?

Here is the story of how I became a christian, I think you may find it interesting... http://bibleforums.org/forum/showthread.php?t=77958&highlight=finally+decided

[jojo1980]

And Jesus is God...

no, no more than it is right for us to dishonor or parents or other people...
Those people were as you are and do not know who Jesus or God really is :cry:

He is the Alpha and Omega, He has the power to create life, take life, and then give it back. Why would He need protection. You are thinking too small. He did not fear death or pain because He controls them both...
People may have nailed Him to the cross because they were allowed to but Jesus only died bodily. His Spirit never died. He is God !

The Eternal Creator of all...
if i agree with what you say that mean some of God got punish ..
imagin people punish God .....
this words that you say arent suit with God state .......
and who the God that you ask when you get problems....?.

[Tanya~]

Hi Jojo,

God made man in His image, and man sinned. Mankind needed salvation, but mankind is not able to save himself. So God willingly became flesh so that He could dwell with us and die for our sins, and rise from the dead.Heb 2:14-18
14 Because God's children are human beings — made of flesh and blood — Jesus also became flesh and blood by being born in human form. For only as a human being could he die, and only by dying could he break the power of the Devil, who had the power of death. 15 Only in this way could he deliver those who have lived all their lives as slaves to the fear of dying.

16 We all know that Jesus came to help the descendants of Abraham, not to help the angels. 17 Therefore, it was necessary for Jesus to be in every respect like us, his brothers and sisters, so that he could be our merciful and faithful High Priest before God. He then could offer a sacrifice that would take away the sins of the people. 18 Since he himself has gone through suffering and temptation, he is able to help us when we are being tempted.
NLT
Phil 2:5-11

5 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7 but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death — even death on a cross!
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
NIV

[judi<>><]

Welcome to the board, jojo. These are some of the questions you have asked.
ok
if we say that god is jesus
is this right that the people to punish God and crucify God
that mean ( as you say ) God hasnt power to protect him self..
what is this God who cant protect him self.....
if i agree with what you say that mean some of God got punish ..
imagin people punish God .....
this words that you say arent suit with God state .......
and who the God that you ask when you get problems....?.Let's see if I can help you understand.

First of all, Jesus was not punished for any wrongdoing. In fact, as God, which we believe He was, Jesus did not have to allow anything that happened to Him to occur. He was not "killed"--He chose to give up his life. And that is something that even many Christians do not understand.

Those who crucified Jesus did so only because God permitted it! John 19:10-11
10"Do you refuse to speak to me?" Pilate said. "Don't you realize I have power either to free you or to crucify you?"
11Jesus answered, "You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin."Jesus chose the path of the Cross because it was the only way to redeem (buy back; win back; free from captivity by payment of ransom; release from blame or debt; free from the consequences of sin) all of us. Without His action, we would never be able to return to a full relationship with God.


Could He have stopped what was about to happen? I suppose the answer would have to be "yes," but He had already made his decision: Philippians 2:5-11 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
6Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
9Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.Knowing what He was about to achieve by His death--Jesus chose to die. GOD chose to take on human form, suffer, and die...then rose to prove He had won the victory over Sin and Death.



That is the kind of God I serve. The kind of God who is strong enough to defeat everything that I cannot overcome--even DEATH. The kind of God who loves me enough to stoop to my level in order to reach me, and show me the way back to Himself. And not only me, but everyone who will receive the gift of salvation offered--for the righteousness of Christ substituted for our sin on the Cross was not the righteousness of a good man, but the very righteousness of the Holy and Eternal God!! WOW!!


So, it wasn't that God couldn't protect Himself, but rather that the only way to protect us from eternal damnation was to offer Himself in our place.


Lots of words... hope that doesn't confuse you further!

[jojo1980]

i read what all you said, listen :
1- if we say that the jesus complete trinity and he leave this world that mean one of trinity remove and trinity as you say become two
2- you said jesus son of God ( is God need son .. to forgive sin )
and you say god is merciful so dont need any one to carry sins of the mankind
3- you said that jesus son of god and sacred bible says that he is of Daved family ,,,, ( is he son of God or David family?)
dont say both i cant have two family and what happen to me happen to all manknid and jesus one of them( i mean as mankind ont as prophent and messenger)
and last remember that there is hereafter day and all will face God
be carfull dont cary other sins and tell them the truth that you see if you see

[Tanya~]

i read what all you said, listen :
1- if we say that the jesus complete trinity and he leave this world that mean one of trinity remove and trinity as you say become two

Jesus still exists, even though He died and then rose from the dead. He ascended into heaven.

Acts 1:9-11
Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus , who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven."
NKJV


2- you said jesus son of God ( is God need son .. to forgive sin )
and you say god is merciful so dont need any one to carry sins of the mankind

God is merciful, and this is why He sent His Son. It was necessary that there be a perfect offering for sin, and only God Himself could do that.

Heb 9:12
Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
NKJV



3- you said that jesus son of god and sacred bible says that he is of Daved family ,,,, ( is he son of God or David family?)
dont say both i cant have two family and what happen to me happen to all manknid and jesus one of them( i mean as mankind ont as prophent and messenger)

You do have two families. You have one on your mother's side, and another on your father's side. Jesus is fully human and is the son of David on His mother's side -- Mary was of the lineage of David. Jesus is fully God because His Father is God. Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit.

Luke 1:29-35

29 But when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and considered what manner of greeting this was. 30 Then the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name JESUS. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end."

34 Then Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I do not know a man?"

35 And the angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.
NKJV


and last remember that there is hereafter day and all will face God
be carfull dont cary other sins and tell them the truth that you see if you see

There indeed is a judgment to come. Jesus said this:

John 5:21-30
For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. 22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, 23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

24 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. 25 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, 27 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. 28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth — those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. 30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.
NKJV

[jojo1980]

pleas i want satisfy answer

[Tanya~]

In what way do you find the answers given to be unsatisfactory?

[Richard H]

Hi Jojo, :)
I’ll see if I can explain the concept of the Trinity. God is one – and yet He is also three.

The God who created the Sun and the Moon and everything has a plan.

His name is YHWH (pronounced: Yahoveh)(It means: I Am that I AM)
Many people today pronounce His name "Yahweh"
YHWH is one God.

His plan is to bring people back to Him after Adam and Eve sinned.

In the Old Testament YHWH gave people the Ten Commandments to teach us what sin was.
He gave people laws and ordinances involving offerings to cover their sins.
The problem was that was only a temporary solution to the permanent problem of sin.

I think of it like this: during this time, He was as: God on the mountaintop – holy and distant.

People cannot approach God because He is Holy above all and we are sinful and unclean.
The end result of sin is eternal death.
People simply cannot be good enough in our own power to ever come into the presence of a holy God.

To give us a permanent offering for our sins once and for all, God Himself became man.
He was born of a virgin and lived a life without sin. He healed many people, raised the dead and taught the people the good news of YHWH’s love.
Jesus called Him, the "Father".
He allowed Himself to die as a criminal even though He had done nothing wrong. In doing so, He took on the punishment we all deserve.

His name was Jesus (“Yeshua” in Aramaic). He was Immanuel which means “God is with us”.

Three days after His crucifixion, Jesus rose from the dead.
He conquered death and hell. Later He rose to Heaven to sit on His throne with the Father.

He promised to send a comforter and teacher, who is the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. He is also the Spirit of Jesus.
When we put our faith in Jesus – believing that he died in our place, we will have eternal life in Heaven.

The alternative to taking Jesus as Savior is eternal separation from God which is hell.
Hell is a place made as punishment for the fallen angels lead by the fallen archangel, Lucifer – who is now called Satan, the Devil.
God desires that no human beings go there. That is why He sent the Christ known as the Son of God.
The Son of God is actually God Himself showing His love.

The Holy Spirit comes into our hearts and makes us a new creation – no longer under the curse of sin.
He comforts us in our troubles with the peace that God loves us – so much that He would die in our place.
He leads us and teaches us how to put God first in our lives and to love even those who mean us harm.

So you can see God’s progressive intimacy. God manifested (made Himself real to us) in three ways - each time drawing people to closer Himself.
Just as an earthly Father's love for his children is powerful, our Heavenly Father gave even Himself to bring us into fellowship with Him.

First: a distant and holy God.
Next: a God who is among us. Jesus. Still holy, but now showing the extent of His love.
Third: God’s Holy Spirit in us. Empowering us to overcome the temptations of the devil and able to raise us to life forever with God.

YHWH, God is one – yet He is carrying out His plan in three recognizable forms. He simply is much more than we can even imagine.
He knows the beginning; He knows the end, and he knows everything in between. He created all things and no other god is real.

As I understand it, Allah is the moon god. Well, YHWH created the moon. He also created you. He knows what you are going through.
That is why He brought you to us, so we could tell you of His love.

To answer your second question; Muhammed and not even Allah are mentioned in the Bible.
Muhammad came after the time of Jesus - and Allah was not written about until the time of Muhammad.

We have the Bible, and the ancient texts have been confirmed by archeological finds.
While the Bible is in many languages, the ancient texts are also available for people who want to see for themselves what the Word of God says.

Jojo, I can tell you from experience that YHWH is real. Jesus is real. The Holy Spirit is real.
Accepting Jesus as my Lord and Savior was the best decision I ever made.
The Holy Spirit teaches me every day and continues to change me from the inside to the outside, so that I can be the person He wants me to be.

To answer your third question, Christianity is about faith and not evidence. Once we believe in faith, God gives us evidence through His Spirit.

The only way for you to receive that evidence is to sincerely cry out to YHWH God to save you from the punishment of sin, and to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior – asking Him to fill you with His Spirit and make you a new creation. We are called to walk by faith, and by faith we are saved.

I pray that you too will come to understand how much you are valued by the Almighty.

Richard

PS: if you want Scripture reference, I can give them to you, but (as long as this is) I wanted to make this easier to read, first.

[mcgyver]

Jojo, you have gotten a lot of good answers here.

I will try to make this simple as I can for you.

To understand the Trinity, you must first understand that there is nothing impossible for God. God can do what He wants, when He wants, in any way He wants.

There is only One God. Not three gods, Just one God and one God alone.

God has chosen (because He wanted to) to show Himself to man in a way that we can understand with our limited minds.

God has chosen to show Himself to us as our Heavenly Father...all powerful, the creator of everything, with no one greater than He.

God has chosen to show Himself to us as a man (Jesus). Someone we could talk to, eat with, touch, walk beside, listen to and ask questions of. Before Jesus, God was far off, distant, hard to understand, hard to love. But in Jesus, God showed man how much He loves us. God made Himself "real" to people. Not distant, not far off, not hard to love.

God has chosen to show Himself to us as The Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit indwells all believers. He makes God real to us, He allows us to love Him and to know Him, He gives us power to do God's work. Never again is God far off, distant, untouchable, because the Holy Spirit is in us. God is close to us and with us at all times, in all places.

One God who has revealed Himself in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

[seekhisface]

Trinity:

In Genesis, God speaks the words, " let US make man in OUR image."


Mohammed a prophet:

Moses left a test in the Torah for testing the spirits of prophets. After he speaks of the test he mentions that even if the man passes the test, but then lead the sheep after other Gods, that prophet is a false prophet.

This is where the trinity comes in. Jesus is the word of God, the word in the flesh, therefore he is a part of the trinity. Now, Jesus taught us while he was here that he would establish a church and it would be built upon the faith that was found in Peter, the faith that confessed to Jesus that he is the christ. What did Jesus teach about fulfilling the law? He taught forgiveness, charity, love and all rightousness.

Scripture's indicate that any man that does not confess that Jesus came to the earth in the flesh of men is the anti-christ and is not to be listened to. So right off the bat you can see that Mohammed is a false prophet because he led people away from the truth.

[Saved7]

jojo,

I know you are trying to understand us and our belief that God allowed HImself to be crucified (key word being "allowed") but maybe if you tell us what your views are you will help us to show you what we have in common.
WE beleive that God is ALMIGHTY, and able to do anything.
We also believe that even HIs weakness is greater than anything.
But I think what you are missing is our concept of God is not just that God is powerful and HOly, but also that He IS love. And love to us is not a selfish self seeking thing, but love is a self-less other seeking, sacrificing of self thing.
Our God teaches us that through love and selflessness we can overcome evil....that's what He did in His body of flesh that He made for Himself. And yes, He was able to be in heaven and on earth and everywhere at the same time. So God never died. We believe this, because God cannot be seen with the human eye in His "God" form, which is "spirit". The Holy Spirit can be everywhere. God is Holy, and He is spirit, and He is our creator, thereby making Him our Father, and having come in the flesh, and by a miracle (not sex) made Mary pregnant, with a male child that was prepared just for His Spirit to dwell in...in turn making Himself Son as well. And since He is Spirit, He was able to be in that body and everywhere and on HIs throne in heaven all at the same time.

[jojo1980]

is Jesus son of God or God?
second i read Sacred Bible and find contraries
in Metus that they say Jesus of David family
but David isnt on the same time
and Jos' is his father
but Mary and jos' in different as in know .....
may you read history to fix that
i have more contraries
and Sacred Bible that you have didnt write at Jesus life it means that maybe some who wrote the Sacred Bible forgot things and the orginal book of Gosple isnt exist in it language so how can i fix that this translate is correct.
take care

[Tanya~]

is Jesus son of God or God?

Both. He is God by nature, and He is the Son of God because He is begotten of God the Father.

second i read Sacred Bible and find contraries
in Metus that they say Jesus of David family
but David isnt on the same time

It means that Jesus is a descendant of David.


and Jos' is his father
but Mary and jos' in different as in know .....

Joseph was not Jesus' father but he was the husband of Mary. Jesus is of the line of David biologically through Mary, and legally through Joseph.


may you read history to fix that
i have more contraries
and Sacred Bible that you have didnt write at Jesus life it means that maybe some who wrote the Sacred Bible forgot things and the orginal book of Gosple isnt exist in it language so how can i fix that this translate is correct.
take care

There are many old manuscripts of the Bible available from before the time of Muhammed which show that the Bible has not been changed. You have been told that and you believe it, but it is not true. If you would like more information on this it can be made available to you.

May the Lord reveal His truth to you!

[Saved7]

Forgive me, but why do you keep calling it sacred and then doubting everything it says:confused...either Jesus was who the "sacred" bible says, or the bible is not sacred at all. Just a little something for you to think about.:)

[markdrums]

ok
if we say that god is jesus
is this right that the people to punish God and crucify God
that mean ( as you say ) God hasnt power to protect him self..
what is this God who cant protect him self.....

Just coming back to this post to answer the question / statement that was made.

GOD has no need to "Protect" himself. That also was not his purpose, nor his intention.
He came to willingly sacrifice himself, as our "spotless lamb" in order for us to receive salvation from the curse of sin.

Had he NOT given his life for us, & instead, "rescued" himself, there would have been no point in him coming to Earth in the flesh. AND... we would all STILL be under the curse of sin, with no way for redemption.

Jesus did for US what we could never do ourselves. It was because of his love for all of us. He gave us free will / freedom to choose. And the choice now is all up to the individual.

:)

[jojo1980]

why all you say that jesus is son of God ?
is God need son to forgive the sins of people?
i think he has all power and doesnt need the son?
why God didnt have more than one son ?
he can get more if he wants.

[markdrums]

why all you say that jesus is son of God ?
is God need son to forgive the sins of people?
i think he has all power and doesnt need the son?
why God didnt have more than one son ?
he can get more if he wants.


We all say Jesus is the Son of God, because GOD tells us that, & JESUS told us that.
;)

God only has ONE son because that's the nature of God. There always has been one Father, one Son, & one Holy Spirit.
ONE GOD, revealed in three "persons".

Yes, it can be confusing at first glance, and hard to comprehend. But that's how God has always been.
If God were merely a finite being, he wouldn't be "GOD".

To answer your other question / statement.... we are ALL gods children. So he has MANY MANY sons & daughters in US.

And why does he need "the son" to forgive sins?
That's a bigger discussion in itself. But it's what God deemed as the only way. Fortunately for you & me, that means we don't have to suffer as our own sacrifice. We don't have to be judged for OUR OWN sins.
We can ask for, & receive the free gift he offers. Salvation & forgiveness of sins.
We can stand blameless before the Father. OUR sins paid for, once & for all, through Jesus' sacrifice.

That's LOVE my friend!
Someone who will take the blame for you.... pay your debt & pay the price... with his life.
Who else but GOD would be willing to do THAT?

:hmm:

[Ethereal Spark]

why God didnt have more than one son ?
he can get more if he wants.

Yes, He can.

While Jesus is His only begotten:

Romans 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Romans 8:32
He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

Including sonship. I know it's a mystery. Some things we just have to accept by faith, knowing that God is sovereign and He does things His way for His own reasons. As a good Petra song says, "Thinking if I could see I would believe. Then somebody said believe and you will see." That's how it works.

I know you're struggling and it seems like you really want to find the truth. I sincerely hope you find the answer that satisfies. I'll just leave you with this:

1 Corinthians 2:9-16
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

I'm praying for you JoJo

[jponb]

God is a just God Jojo. He is a God of Justice as well as mercy. When Adam sinned in the Garden of Eden, man's sentence was death. For the wages of Sin is Death; But the Gift of God is eternal Life through Christ Jesus. Jesus, the Word of God, the Son of God put on human flesh to take on the sentence of death for humanity that we might be saved through Him. Let me give you an example. There was a judge in the land who never bended the law. One day, his son was brought in on a crime. He was faced with a dilemma. He was a judge. To allow his son to go without punishment would mean justice haven't been served. To punish his son, love and mercy would be absent. So the judge decided the sentence had to be imposed; but he himself would pay the price. This was Justice and Mercy. God loves you and I so much they he died for us providing both Justice and Mercy. Did we deserve this mercy? No... That is what we call Grace, the undeserved favor of God. Here's a little more help with the Trinity.

You have a Brain. You have a Heart. You have a Spirit. Although they are three different components of one body with different functions, it's still one body. Each part of the body cooperates with the other in unison for the good of the body. God the Father conceives it. God the Son speaks it. God the Holy Spirit empowers it. 3 working together as One.

Jesus is more than just man, a prophet, a teacher. If you examine the Old Testament carefully, you will find Jesus everywhere in them. The old testament was preparing us for His arrival so that we may be able to identify Him. He fully fulfilled all of the prophecies proving that He is Who He say He is, the Son of the Living God. No one man could fulfill all of those prophecies except the Son of God.

[tango]

why all you say that jesus is son of God ?
is God need son to forgive the sins of people?
i think he has all power and doesnt need the son?
why God didnt have more than one son ?
he can get more if he wants.

We know Jesus is the son of God, he himself referred to God as "Father".

In your own thread, "Who is this?" you quoted John 14:16.

Jesus repeatedly referred to God as his father, and also stated that he was one with his father, in the same book of John you quoted in your other question:

Joh 10:29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and My Father are one."


Jesus came to die for us so that our sins could be forgiven. In the Old Testament you can read about the sacrifices required for sins - the book of Leviticus describes them in some detail. The recurring theme is that the animals to be sacrificed were always to be without blemish, they had to be perfect.

But the people were constantly sinning, and constantly sacrificing, so much so that God grew weary of the sacrifices (Isa 1:11-14). So he sent Jesus, who was entirely man and also entirely God, to be a perfect sacrifice for us. Jesus lived without sin and his sacrifice means that we can all be forgiven, and we can all take a place in heaven.

[jojo1980]

hi all
listen to what i will say
how can i imagin the trinity ?!!!... it means God appear in three states one is God seconed is spirtual and third is Jesus. it mean when jesus in earth God not appear or spirtual life , is this the trinity
which is the state the mind agree with, one God or three?
is this univers managed by one God or three.?
when i enter the christan answer i said iam not a christian ..
i want you explain me but your explaination cant enter my mind.
did what wrote in sacred bible exist in orginal version ?
if you say yes , where is the original version of every Gospel. to see if wrote or not .
they arent exesit so how can i beleive that it the trinity is exist.
explaim me pleas .
pardon me if i make some of you angry of me but i want satisfy answers pls,

[markdrums]

hi all
listen to what i will say
how can i imagin the trinity ?!!!... it means God appear in three states one is God seconed is spirtual and third is Jesus. it mean when jesus in earth God not appear or spirtual life , is this the trinity
which is the state the mind agree with, one God or three?
is this univers managed by one God or three.?
when i enter the christan answer i said iam not a christian ..
i want you explain me but your explaination cant enter my mind.
did what wrote in sacred bible exist in orginal version ?
if you say yes , where is the original version of every Gospel. to see if wrote or not .
they arent exesit so how can i beleive that it the trinity is exist.
explaim me pleas .
pardon me if i make some of you angry of me but i want satisfy answers pls,


If you're wondering whether or not the Bible still says today, what it said all along, the answer is yes.

There are some great resources you can check out. They show how many copies of Biblical manuscripts that have been discovered & are in existence. **OVER 24,000** (Some date back as far as being written within 25 years of the events taking place.)
When you compare that to writings like Homer's "Iliad" which has MUCH FEWER copies, & the (partial) copy within the closest time range of being written is over 500 years after the original.
(Just one example)

But don't just take my word for that. Check it out for yourself!

http://www.gospeloutreach.net/bible2.html

http://www.facingthechallenge.org/arch2.php

http://www.angelfire.com/sc3/myredeemer/Evidencep7.html

These are just 3 places you can start with.
Believe me, there are MANY MANY more.....

:)

[markdrums]

One more thing....
Concerning the Trinity; There are a couple good posts in this thread that explain it in a more simplified manner. It's not "exactly" how & what the Trinity is, but you might get a little better grasp of the idea.

;)

[livingwaters]

JOJO, God said, my people perish for lack of knowledge...If you would start to read the Bible, the whole Bible, (Old and New Testaments) and ask God to reveal the truth to you, HE will...the more you read, the more HE will show you the truth...We believe by Faith, which is the substance of things not seen...Amen...If God was in your living room having tea with you, you wouldn't have to have Faith to believe in HIM, because you could see HIM...So, it is the same with God's Word...Just because you don't understand it, yet, doesn't mean that it is not true.

:pray::pray:So, Here's a prayer from me to God on your behalf: Lord, God, Father of all, please hear my prayer for this child of YOURS that does not understand how YOU, JESUS, and the HOLY SPIRIT are ONE!!!! Father God, I pray that you reveal the truth to JoJo and open the eyes of his heart to know you!!!! Please Father, take the scabs off of his eyes and ears so that he may receive the gift of Salvation, through YOUR SON, JESUS!!!! Father, YOU can do all things. We know that YOU are who YOU say YOU are because the Bible is YOUR WORD and YOU are not a man(like we are--sinners) that you should lie~~~I pray all these things in Jesus' name.Amen.. Glory to God.

Even when Jesus was here as a man(HE came in human form as THE SON OF GOD, not as God, himself--even if HE was)---HE DID NOT SIN!! That is why, JOJO, Jesus had to pay for our sins on the cross, because HIS blood is pure and spotless. That was God's requirement for payment of the world's sins. That shows us how much GOD loves us and wants us to be with HIM in Heaven...

Well, I hope that you would give God a chance to "save your life!!!":hug: