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tiensou
Sep 28th 2008, 01:56 PM
Hello.
My name is Nina.
And I am not a Christian.
Nor am I seeking Christ.
I was Christian until the age of 12, and then I turned, following the same route as my mother and grandmother before me have done.
I am not wiccan, pagan or spiritualist. But I feel very close to these religions.
I do not mean to insult your religion, and infact, I have alot of respect for it. But today, of all days, I feel some power is urging me to write this.

At 7 o clock this morning, my grandmother died. I am currently sitting in her house. My uncle, my aunt, my mother my cousin and his girlfriend are here.

I beleive my grandmother was a medium. Beside me is a manilla folder of notes on the seances that were conducted as long as 30 years ago.


I also beleive Jesus Christ visited my grandmother.

Call me crazy, but we had a gatekeeper, Oleg, my great grandfather.
And he took us through.
He told us, that angels contact us through a oujiboard. There are spiritual levels. Earth at the bottom, the physcial- then rising up through to celestial beings.

I firmly firmly firmly beleive that he is right.

Our family are not christian, but we beleive in Jesus. (my grandfathers side were Jewish) I do not wish to make a point about our disbelif in Christianity, as I have no reason to start a fight.

I simply wish to say that oujiboards are not a work of the devil. They are not evil. They are not wrong.
In the right hands, for the right reason, they are forces for good.
At the end of every seance, the following prayer was said;
"May God watch over us"
And Oleg would reply;
"The peace is with you"

Oleg needed to say many things, and taught us many things for the force of good. The oujiboards stopped, some years ago, for different reasons. But not because the oujiboard itself was evil.



I beleive you have to be careful with oujiboards.
Do not use them flippantly.
Experience, calmness and faith are required.
But the things themselves are not evil.

I understand that this many cause controversy, and I apologise in advance.
But I feel that my grandmother, an incredibly forthright women, would want to say something. I feel her around today.

Xel'Naga
Sep 28th 2008, 02:01 PM
Well I'll be straight with you: Ouji boards are demonically influenced, tools of Satan. I know this because I've experienced it. Whether or not you think you're using a Ouji board for good, they are, themselves, instruments of evil.

tiensou
Sep 28th 2008, 02:07 PM
Okay, that's cool. I accept your beliefs :)
And I would not dream of trying to force my beleifs upon you.

Know this though;
A oujiboard will not be used here, and has not been used by myself or any member of my family for a great many years.
From our past experience, we consider them simply communication tools; not a toy, or game.
We do not summon spirits, we do not practise witchcraft.
Infact, nothing supernatural happens in our family, save that for my late grandmother and I beleive we can see spirits.
We consider it a gift. :)

I simply wish to ask,
As a Christian, how have you come to believe that communication with the other side is demonic?

I am not mocking, or sardonic.
I simply wish to know.

Are you scared of the frail state of the gate? Because it is in ruin...the many people who use summonings etc for commerical purposes. It makes me sick indeed :(
Do you beleive that all deceased people who try to contact us are not who they claim to be?

Bethany67
Sep 28th 2008, 02:08 PM
Sweetheart, I'm so sorry for the loss of your grandmother. I was Wiccan, and I would urge people to steer clear of ouija boards completely; in fact that is the standard view of all the Pagans I know, as well. They're too unpredictable, even for those 'practiced' in the occult. You won't find genuine comfort through them, but you will in Jesus.

Allow yourself to grieve, and be kind to yourself and to each other.

Xel'Naga
Sep 28th 2008, 02:11 PM
Okay, that's cool. I accept your beliefs :)
And I would not dream of trying to force my beleifs upon you.

Know this though;
A oujiboard will not be used here, and has not been used by myself or any member of my family for a great many years.
From our past experience, we consider them simply communication tools; not a toy, or game.
We do not summon spirits, we do not practise witchcraft.
Infact, nothing supernatural happens in our family, save that for my late grandmother and I beleive we can see spirits.
We consider it a gift. :)

I simply wish to ask,
As a Christian, how have you come to believe that communication with the other side is demonic?

I am not mocking, or sardonic.
I simple wish to know.

Are you scared of the frail state of the gate? Because it is in ruin...the many people who use summonings etc for commerical purposes. It makes me sick indeed :(
Do you beleive that all deceased people who try to contact us are not who they claim to be?

That's cool that you accept my beliefs. I'll lay it down right now that I consider it my highest priority to bring people to Christ. That means that while I 'respect' your right to hold those beliefs, I desire to change them.

To answer your question: because Scripture clearly forbids communicating with 'the other side' (notice it doesn't say it's impossible). Secondly, 'ghosts' don't revile the name Jesus when it's spoken against them. There is not one 'entity' from the 'other side' that I've come across that is what it says it is: they're all demonic, following Satan.

There are no deceased people trying to contact this world.

tiensou
Sep 28th 2008, 02:32 PM
I appreciate your input, I truley, honestly do.
But I, unfortunate or not, have no intention currently to change my beleif system.

I may or may not be going to Hell, but I will accept the consequences when I get there.

I do not live a "sinful" life. I am simply not Christian.

And thankyou for answering my question :)
I did not realise that your Bible actually laid down anything about spirits (sorry for being so uneducated >___>)
I will continue to ask questions, as I am curious about the faith I followed but did not understand. But if at ANY point I offend, PLEASE tell me!

Do you beleive that I will go to Hell for not following Christ?
Or will it be like Dante explained (Dante's Inferno)
It's more like a limbo, a life without the love of God; rather than an active punishment?

livingword26
Sep 28th 2008, 02:33 PM
Evil is not scary and cold, otherwise it could not deceive anyone. It is subtle and seductive, it draws people into darkness and keeps them there with chains of deception. I spent many years as a new ager, and was married to a wiccan. I knew channels and spiritualists. They were all nice people who loved. But all of these arts are dark, including the ouija board. You have been and are being deceived my child. I pray that you would pray that the Lord reveal the truth to you no matter what that is. And I pray the Lord reveal the truth to you about Himself. God bless you.

tiensou
Sep 28th 2008, 02:39 PM
Is asking God for the truth the only way to see if spirits are a deception?
Will I not find truth in myself?

This is not accusatory.
All my questions are asked in good will :)
As I've said (and shall say again)
I will hold NO illwill to anyone because of their beleifs.

livingword26
Sep 28th 2008, 02:42 PM
You need to understand who Jesus is in order to know who you are rejecting if you reject Him:

Joh 1:1-14
(1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(2) The same was in the beginning with God.
(3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
(4) In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
(5) And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
(6) There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
(7) The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
(8) He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
(9) That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
(10) He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
(11) He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
(12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
(13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
(14) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


Some other very good verses

Joh 3:17-20
(17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
(18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
(19) And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
(20) For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

Joh 5:22-25
(22) For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
(23) That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honoreth not the Son honoreth not the Father which hath sent him.
(24) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
(25) Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

Xel'Naga
Sep 28th 2008, 02:42 PM
I appreciate your input, I truley, honestly do.
But I, unfortunate or not, have no intention currently to change my beleif system.

I may or may not be going to Hell, but I will accept the consequences when I get there.

I do not live a "sinful" life. I am simply not Christian.

And thankyou for answering my question :)
I did not realise that your Bible actually laid down anything about spirits (sorry for being so uneducated >___>)
I will continue to ask questions, as I am curious about the faith I followed but did not understand. But if at ANY point I offend, PLEASE tell me!

Do you beleive that I will go to Hell for not following Christ?
Or will it be like Dante explained (Dante's Inferno)
It's more like a limbo, a life without the love of God; rather than an active punishment?

Sin isn't a lifestyle, it's who we are. God gave Adam and Eve a choice: My way or your way. My way (God's way) had one rule; don't eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Your way (Adam and Eve's) consisted of one choice; eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. By saying you aren't Christian then yes, you are living a sinful life. You are taking God's promise, saying 'I can do it my way', calling Him a liar and then trying to reconcile yourself to whatever it is you worship (idolatry). Don't get me wrong, though. We all sin; Christians and those without. Where it matters, however, is in our attitude towards sin. I sin and regret it, seek not to fall into that same sin again. Those without sin and are dead to it, they don't feel that the sin is wrong - they do what is right in their own eyes, as the Bible puts it a few times.

Adam and Eve said 'Not thy will be done, but mine'. Christ subsequently said, 'Not my will but thine'. We fall into one of two camps: followers of Adam and Eve or followers of Christ. If you're followers of anyone but Christ then guess what? You're a sinner, you're in need of a savior and as nonchalantly as you seem to think it is (it's a very serious thing), you will be experiencing Hell for eternity.

As for your question, which I kind of touched on above, yes, I believe you're going to Hell because you're not following Christ. In fact, by not following you have rejected him. Dante's inferno has no theological basis in Christianity, so I disagree with it completely. As well, there's no such thing as 'limbo'.

livingword26
Sep 28th 2008, 02:44 PM
Is asking God for the truth the only way to see if spirits are a deception?
Will I not find truth in myself?



If you have not received His Spirit into you, by believing in Him for your salvation, then you have no way to understand whether a spirit is of good or evil. It is His Spirit that opens your eyes.

livingwaters
Sep 28th 2008, 02:47 PM
You said, I'm not a sinful person, I'm just not a Christian.....I must burst this bubble that satan has you wrapped in....We are all sinful people...We were born into sin....The ONE AND ONLY WAY to be cleansed is by THE BLOOD of JESUS!!!Amen. And saying you're going to deal with Hell, is fine, except, you don't know what you are saying...As God's Word says, it's not a place you'd want to spend one moment, let alone eternity.

So, in answer to your question about HELL, without Jesus as your LORD AND SAVIOR, that's exactly where you will spend eternity....Maybe you are afraid to be a Christian, especially, if satan has had a chokehold on your family for all these years. Just consider this: an eternity with Jesus in Heaven...no pain, no tears, no illnesses to the extreme opposite of the spectrum: burning, rotting flesh, stench for eternity, torture by satan and his devils, gnashing of teeth for again, eternity......What have you got to lose??????? You have everything to gain....God Bless:hug::pray::saint:

If you want to know more about Christianity, just get on this board and ask...You can also click on our names, individually, and send us a pm...We'd be elated to steer you into the Kingdom...Glory to God!!!!:bounce::bounce:

tiensou
Sep 28th 2008, 02:56 PM
Then, is it only through the work of your Satan, that I see spirits?

I have to say, I'm absolutly stunned by your onemindedness.
Let me explain;
This is a good thing!
You are all so united! It's so striking!
I commend you all for it!

And I'm sorry, I phrased what I said in an earlier post wrong;
I appreciate that I AM sinning because I do not follow God or Jesus.
And I appreciate that I sin as a human.
But I try my best to live by a moral code.
I freely say I am a virgin. I do not steal. I do not bare hateful wishes to people. The list goes on.

And maybe I am going to Hell.
But, although this might outrage you, I beleive I am living my life the way any god or deity would want me to live it in;
I live not for a god, or an idol. I am simply living for the force of Good. Good conducted by a god I maybe do not know of, or yet have a relationship with.
I am an openminded person. I believe there is a higher power.
But as of yet, I cannot truely say from the bottom of my heart, and mean it, that I think Jesus Christ is the Saviour.

Maybe in time, I will learn too.
Maybe I will not.


Xel'Naga; are you trying to tell me that you are either with, or against God. Can there be no middle ground?
Can you not follow him, but respect him?
Must you feel either love OR hate?



I understand what your Hell is comprised of. I understand it is not just physical torture, but mental torture, and the lack of the love of your God.
I understand what your Heaven comprises of too.


Livingwater; Yes. I am afraid of Christianity, I think..

I will reitterate once again (I think it will become a habit)
I do not wish to offend any of you.
I mean peace to you all.

Jeremiah333
Sep 28th 2008, 03:01 PM
I pray that God comforts you and your family during this sad time of losing your grandmother.

SFASH
Sep 28th 2008, 03:40 PM
I'm sorry for the loss of your Gram, Nina. And I am making a special commitment to pray for you that the Lord will protect you during this time, and that He would speak to your heart and compell you to pay close heed to the things that have been said to you above.

We will be praying for you soul, we will be praying that you look to and understand the cross and come to trust the Lord for salvation.

From experience I can tell you with absolute certainty that Quija, and the false religion that it represents is one of the most dangerous mediums on earth, and could have devastating effects on your well being. You don't necessarily need to play with the board... all you need is to ascribe to the demonic lies associated with Quija and Seance.
The Bible warns against these things and calls them "familiar spirits."

"Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God." Lev 19:31

"Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer."( communicator with the dead) Deu 18:11

You have already stated your acceptance or belief in a spiritual realm, so you know this is not a simple matter of religion or philosophy... it is a spiritual reality.

We challenge you to look to the Bible... give it a read, before you form opinions about spiritual truth. Look to and learn about the cross.

We beg you.:)

amazzin
Sep 28th 2008, 03:51 PM
Hello.
My name is Nina.
And I am not a Christian.
Nor am I seeking Christ.
I was Christian until the age of 12, and then I turned, following the same route as my mother and grandmother before me have done.
I am not wiccan, pagan or spiritualist. But I feel very close to these religions.
I do not mean to insult your religion, and infact, I have alot of respect for it. But today, of all days, I feel some power is urging me to write this.

At 7 o clock this morning, my grandmother died. I am currently sitting in her house. My uncle, my aunt, my mother my cousin and his girlfriend are here.

I beleive my grandmother was a medium. Beside me is a manilla folder of notes on the seances that were conducted as long as 30 years ago.


I also beleive Jesus Christ visited my grandmother.

Call me crazy, but we had a gatekeeper, Oleg, my great grandfather.
And he took us through.
He told us, that angels contact us through a oujiboard. There are spiritual levels. Earth at the bottom, the physcial- then rising up through to celestial beings.

I firmly firmly firmly beleive that he is right.

Our family are not christian, but we beleive in Jesus. (my grandfathers side were Jewish) I do not wish to make a point about our disbelif in Christianity, as I have no reason to start a fight.

I simply wish to say that oujiboards are not a work of the devil. They are not evil. They are not wrong.
In the right hands, for the right reason, they are forces for good.
At the end of every seance, the following prayer was said;
"May God watch over us"
And Oleg would reply;
"The peace is with you"

Oleg needed to say many things, and taught us many things for the force of good. The oujiboards stopped, some years ago, for different reasons. But not because the oujiboard itself was evil.



I beleive you have to be careful with oujiboards.
Do not use them flippantly.
Experience, calmness and faith are required.
But the things themselves are not evil.

I understand that this many cause controversy, and I apologise in advance.
But I feel that my grandmother, an incredibly forthright women, would want to say something. I feel her around today.

Hey tiensu

Choose today whom you will serve. You are involved in something very demonic. The father of lies has confused you and you will never know the truth of God for your life as long as you are involved in this stuff

tiensou
Sep 28th 2008, 04:27 PM
SFASH;
I accept your challenge :)
I will read your Bible, and shall tell you what I find there. :)

Thankyou for everyone who has consoled me.
This is kinda a difficult time :/

I appreciate all of your views,
And thankyou everyone, for being so accepting and honest.
Even if I do not agree with you, I respect and cherish your views.


Peace be with you all :)

tango
Sep 28th 2008, 04:46 PM
Tiensou, firstly let me offer my condolences on the loss of your beloved grandmother.

There are a few things you need to know about ouija boards and related things. A lot of them have been mentioned already but in the light of your questions I'd just like to clarify some things.


God explicitly told us not to be involved in divination, necromancy, spells, etc:

Deu 18:10 There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer,
Deu 18:11 or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead.
Deu 18:12 For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD, and because of these abominations the LORD your God drives them out from before you.

So it's clear that any of these things, even if they do work, are not from God. The danger with the occult is that it looks safe, it looks like it makes sense, it often has its own moral codes that appear to make sense, and so it slowly draws you in.

When I was a child my mother used to make wasp traps. They were pretty simple, a cone made of light card with a small hole in the top, put upside down in a pot with half an inch or so of jam at the bottom. The wasps were so keen to get at that lovely sweet jam they squeezed through the hole. Only then they found they couldn't get back out again and died in the jam. In the same way the occult offers something that looks great, but once you're in it's very hard to get out again. Fortunately for us the power of Jesus is stronger still and can break us free completely.


You cannot earn salvation, you have to accept salvation by grace through Jesus. If we could earn it then we would have the right to boast of what we could do, and there would have been no point in Jesus coming to die for us:

Gal 2:21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.


Unfortunately when it comes to choosing sides there are only two sides, and you have to pick one or the other. You don't have to love God or hate God, but the Bible is pretty clear what happens at the time we are judged:

Mat 25:32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.
Mat 25:33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.

The passage goes on to say that the sheep will be granted eternal life and the goats sent to face eternal punishment. When you face judgement you are either a sheep or a goat, there are no hybrids here.

The beauty of it is that you have a choice, you are free to accept Jesus as your personal Saviour and accept the gift of eternal life, accept the gift of forgiveness of your sins, and become a new person. It's right there on offer, all you have to do is accept it.

livingwaters
Sep 28th 2008, 09:37 PM
Nina, Jesus loves you....HE is no respector of persons...So sorry about your grandmother....

I just have to shout about HIS love and say how sorry I am that HE had to go through the humilation, suffering, torture, and separation from HIS Father, God for my sins and that of the world. I will continue to share with others how HE came into my life, when I called on HIS name. JESUS is the name that's above all names..The power of HIS blood is the MOST powerful!!!!

You will never, I say never, have total peace and joy without HIM...it's the kind of love that no one else can give!!!!

And, yes, I still say that Satan is the father of all lies!!!! Most definately he exists....but, how much of your life will you give to him....the only thing he will give to you, is death through sin and an eternity in hell..

Just as you've heard, being a good person is not what saves you from Hell. Only the acceptance of Jesus as your Savior can guarantee eternal life with HIM.

I just want you to be saved...We all want to see you in Heaven, some day...Amen. Please know that I truly am saying these things out of love.:hug:

Tanya~
Sep 28th 2008, 11:02 PM
Hi Nina,

At 7 o clock this morning, my grandmother died. I am currently sitting in her house. My uncle, my aunt, my mother my cousin and his girlfriend are here.

I'm sorry about the loss of your grandmother. You are blessed to have so much family around to comfort one another during this time of loss.

You made it clear that you are not at all interested in becoming a Christian, yet you feel compelled to give us all this, are you seeking perhaps to convince us that we should practice these kinds of things that God forbids - or at the very least condone that practice for others? I'm trying to understand what your purpose is here.

It is because we grieve the separation from out loved ones that is the result of death, that leads people to consider necromancy. But are you aware of the spiritual dangers of this practice? Are you certain that all spirits that people contact are both truthful about their identity and benevolent in their intentions?


I also beleive Jesus Christ visited my grandmother.The Scripture teaches that Satan can transform himself into an "angel of light" and deceive people. Jesus' mission was and is always to turn people to God, not to familiar spirits.

Col 1:13-14
He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, 14 in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.
NKJV


He told us, that angels contact us through a oujiboard. Did he warn you about the dangers (http://www.christian-faith.com/html/page/ouija_board_testimony) of the ouija board?


Our family are not christian, but we beleive in Jesus. The Bible teaches that there is "another Jesus" who isn't the Jesus of the Bible -- the Jesus who died for your sins and rose from the dead.

2 Cor 11:4
4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted — you may well put up with it!
NKJV


I simply wish to say that oujiboards are not a work of the devil. They are not evil. They are not wrong.The ouija board (http://www.tlem.net/ouija.htm) is a spiritual minefield. Some can use them and get away with it because nothing apparently happens. For others it is a different story (http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/valerie.htm). Because of your family history of the occult, you have always been in spiritual danger. You may not accept this right now but perhaps you were drawn here because Jesus wishes to reach out to you and save you. When you find yourself in a dark place, call out to Him. He alone can save you. He is the one who died for your sins, He is the one who rose from the dead. He is the one who truly loves you.


The oujiboards stopped, some years ago, for different reasons. But not because the oujiboard itself was evil.Well the board itself is not evil, it is an inanimate object. But the purpose for which it is made is evil, and the people who use it are deceived by it.


I beleive you have to be careful with oujiboards.
Do not use them flippantly.Why not? If they are not evil, why the caution?

But I feel that my grandmother, an incredibly forthright women, would want to say something. I feel her around today.You believe that your grandmother is speaking to us through you, but I would suggest that this isn't your grandma. It may well be the alien spirit that was attached to her though. Now that she has died, the spirit that controlled her is looking for a new habitation and it may have seen a suitable host in you.

I would recommend that rather than welcoming it or seeking this kind of relationship with it, that you use the name of Jesus against it. A good spirit would not be offended if you spoke these words out loud:

JESUS IS LORD
JESUS IS THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD.

ilovemetal
Sep 29th 2008, 02:47 AM
Then, is it only through the work of your Satan, that I see spirits?

I have to say, I'm absolutly stunned by your onemindedness.
Let me explain;
This is a good thing!
You are all so united! It's so striking!
I commend you all for it!

hey! welcome here, good to have you asking questions. i just thought i'd trow in something that stuck out to me:D


And maybe I am going to Hell.
But, although this might outrage you, I beleive I am living my life the way any god or deity would want me to live it in;


but, the problem is how do YOU know what this 'god' thinks is 'good'? what are you baseing your defintion of 'good' on?



I live not for a god, or an idol. I am simply living for the force of Good. Good conducted by a god I maybe do not know of, or yet have a relationship with.

again, i'm just wondering how you know what good is? comparitivly hitler had no problem killing thousands of people and he didn't think it was 'bad' or he wouldn't have done it, no?



I am an openminded person. I believe there is a higher power.
But as of yet, I cannot truely say from the bottom of my heart, and mean it, that I think Jesus Christ is the Saviour.

Maybe in time, I will learn too.
Maybe I will not.

i pray that you do. the first step is to examine what Jesus said. as cs lewis states, he was either a liar, insane, or telling the truth....

we as Christians base 'good' on what Jesus said. and, problem is our works can't save us. so in the end, even someone who lived a perfect life but sinned once isn't 'good' enough. Thankfully Jesus died so that we could live.

if you believe in a higher power that's a start, but i encourage you to look further into what type of higher power exists.

(can someone help me out here)


Xel'Naga; are you trying to tell me that you are either with, or against God. Can there be no middle ground?
Can you not follow him, but respect him?
Must you feel either love OR hate?

(i think he was) but, even if you follow Jesus teachings it doesn't mean you attain heaven. you must truley believe, and have a relationship. (seriously this part is the best, always knowing your loved, always having someone there.)



I understand what your Hell is comprised of. I understand it is not just physical torture, but mental torture, and the lack of the love of your God.
I understand what your Heaven comprises of too.


Livingwater; Yes. I am afraid of Christianity, I think..

I will reitterate once again (I think it will become a habit)
I do not wish to offend any of you.
I mean peace to you all.

heh. yeah no need to worry. we're all here to help you understand.

basically, i think the best thing you could do at this point (i think;)) is get a book called mere christianity by cs lewis. he's smarter than me, so he will be able to reiderate what i said only better:P

it touches on alot of basic things like good and bad, and how we know what IS good or bad.


ok, hope that might of helped.....?

paidforinfull
Sep 29th 2008, 05:21 AM
So sorry to hear about your loss, Tiensou.
I know where you are at now - I used to be very heavily involved in the occult and New Age philosophy. Don't be deceived, please - Ouja boards, or any other occult practice for that matter, are not safe, innocent or good. The Ouja board serves as an instrument to bring you in touch with the demonic.

Not everything that feels or seems good or safe is good or safe. Satan often poses as an angel of light. Don't rely on your feelings in this matter.

Are you aware that familiar spirits (demons) can transfer from grandparents/parents to children? I don't want to upset you, but it seems possible that the demon spirit which influenced your grandmother is now trying to deceive you so that you can become its 'channel'. Please, please, please - do not get involved.

The only way to safeguard yourself against these forces of darkness is to accept Jesus Christ as your personal Savior, and to break these curses over your life in the Name of Jesus. There is no other way. (By doing so you also break the curse over your children, grandchildren, etc.)

I want to challenge you to pray and ask God to reveal the truth about His Son, Jesus Christ, to you. God is faithful - He will do it if you ask Him.

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