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SolaGratia
Dec 18th 2008, 02:16 PM
I usually know what to do in any given situation, but this is different. Biblical answers are hard to come by nowadays it seems, and I’m desperate. God needs to approve of my approach.

Here is the situation. I’m 19 and I’m in a long-distance relationship with a sensitive, Godly, loving Christian women, who is also my age, named Tiffany. We meet at a Christian liberal arts college a year and a half ago, when we were both freshmen. God has really glorified himself in our relationship. We have made mistakes along the way, but through it all we have learned to love each other through Christ and the significance of the Lord’s power and purity in our relationship. By the grace of God, we strive to mirror the purity and excellence of Christ’s relationship with the Church.

Like most family situations, it’s really a complicated mess, and I’ll be as brief as I possibly can. Tiffany’s parents divorced almost two years ago, and it has really damaged her. She is currently living with her mother, who, I believe, is a Christian, spending many hours in prayer and reading the scriptures. Her mother has been hurt a lot throughout her life, and the past 15 years of marriage seem to be some of the loneliest, hurtful, unconnected years of her life. Tiffany’s father was insensitive, dishonest and eventually adulterous, throwing these two women into a spiral of feeling unloved, betrayed and misunderstood. They are living together, not really being true and honest about their feelings with each other, and are in constant emotional conflict, accusing each other of lying and deliberately trying to hurt the other. They constantly spiral down this negative conversational pattern, resulting in one or both feeling hurt, alone, disrespected, unloved and disconnected. This is not life-affirming, encouraging mother-daughter “let’s deal with our problems” connection time, although they would both like it to be. Almost every night, as we talk on the phone, Tiffany cries, telling me of the failed attempts to connect and love her mother, of the emotional rejection, of the lack of affirmation, of the yelling and sometimes cursing.

As you can probably see, this is confusing for me and very close to my heart. I really have two questions, which are: What should I do? What should my girlfriend do?

We are intentional about marriage at this stage, and the mother had given our relationship her blessing, until recently where she removed it from her daughter, but kept it for me. I’m squeaky clean as of now with her mom, and I would like to keep it this way, since the parental blessing is important to us. We feel we need it before we get married.

It is our desire to “Honor our father and mother,“ (Ephesians 6) and we desire to have the right spirit and motivation in our behavior. Also, my girlfriend and I are very emotionally intimate, so she respects and trusts me very much and looks to me for leadership and unconditional love, in my mind, necessary things the need of which has been amplified by the lack of these very things in her father. I want to love her in the best way possible and lead her in the way she should go. My girlfriend trusts me with her most intimate emotions and we have been completely honest with each other. I sense she respects me more than her mother, and I do not know if this is right. I don’t know.

1 Corinthians 6:20 “For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.”

Philippians 1:11 “”…Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

HisLeast
Dec 18th 2008, 02:29 PM
Sounds similar to a relationship I was in around your age, but the girl was a little older (25 to my 20).

I'm not sure there's much you CAN do (for them) except continue to be there for her, pray for them both, and to be on her side without being against her mother. Delicate balancing act! Encourage her always to be honest and fair with her mother seek paths of reconciliation.

But, do me and you a favor and pay close attention to how this dynamic affects your relationship. Be very sure you understand what love is, how you demonstrate it, and how she demonstrates it to you... and I'm talking about the stuff beyond the warm fuzzy feelings. When I went through this situation, my girlfriend tried to fill the void of motherly love with our relationship. As much as I loved her (or thought I did), I could not replace what her mother was denying her. We were long distance as well... so when we could see each other, her desperation to feel love and affection, plus the aggravation of distance made temptation too much for us. We started having sex, and then we'd feel crushed with guilt. Ultimately it destroyed the relationship.

Not saying the same thing will happen to you... just that you understand the risks. Praying that you receive all wisdom to navigate this situation.

RabbiKnife
Dec 18th 2008, 03:16 PM
I'm not sure why you believe that she should trust her mother more than you?

Trusting someone is not the same as honoring someone.

SolaGratia
Dec 18th 2008, 03:33 PM
HisLeast, thank you for a sobering response. My girlfriend and I have already experienced temptation that is partially rooted in exactly what you mentioned. It is through Christ alone that we have been kept pure.

RabbiKnife, how do you honor someone who you do not trust with your emotions, life and relationships, like in the case of my girlfriend's mother? I know it is possible and I don't meant to say it is not required, but what sort of behavior and attitude must she have?

HisLeast
Dec 18th 2008, 03:51 PM
HisLeast, thank you for a sobering response. My girlfriend and I have already experienced temptation that is partially rooted in exactly what you mentioned. It is through Christ alone that we have been kept pure.

Maybe its I'm a crotchety old curmudgeon, but I have no idea what this kind of thing means anymore. But so long as its honestly working, and you two are mastering your temptations, its the end result that counts.

Even if the sexual temptation is no issue to you both, be very cautious. If she's looking to your relationship as a source of motherly love, there's no way you could provide it. You'll go mad trying though... just like I did. That's why its so important to understand what love looks like in action, not just in feeling. DO NOT get between her and her mother, but always encourage reconciliation and peace while also being her confidant.

The best news is that you're seeking the wisest course in this, which is fully half the battle.

SolaGratia
Dec 18th 2008, 04:14 PM
What I meant was that it seems that living in Christ, which means attending to the Means of Grace or whatever you choose to call them, is far more important than any human technique we used. I agree that boundaries or whatever other method we can use are important, but the moment is often times more powerful than the boundary in my experience and what counts is your reliance on Christ. Christ gives the power to tame the monster. That is what I meant by "Ït is through Christ alone that we have been kept pure"

I really appreciated what you said about not trying to fill the gap of motherly love. :)

RabbiKnife
Dec 18th 2008, 04:27 PM
HisLeast, thank you for a sobering response. My girlfriend and I have already experienced temptation that is partially rooted in exactly what you mentioned. It is through Christ alone that we have been kept pure.

RabbiKnife, how do you honor someone who you do not trust with your emotions, life and relationships, like in the case of my girlfriend's mother? I know it is possible and I don't meant to say it is not required, but what sort of behavior and attitude must she have?

Trust is earned, not granted by right of relationship. Honor is earned by right of relationship. I honor my parents, but I do not share the intimate issues of my life with them, because they are not capable of understanding or dealing with them. I share those issues with my wife.

She must love her mother; she must respect her mother, she must honor her mother. But that does not give her mother right or authority to direct conduct, to demand access to secrets or thoughts, or to insist on actions against your girlfriend's will.

Trust can be earned over time, but not out of demand, but out of love.

You and your girlfriend pray for her mother; and treat her respectfully. But keep the boundary that protects from emotional and verbal abuse.

RoadWarrior
Dec 18th 2008, 04:31 PM
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As you can probably see, this is confusing for me and very close to my heart. I really have two questions, which are: What should I do? What should my girlfriend do?

We are intentional about marriage at this stage, ...

1 Corinthians 6:20 “For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.”

Philippians 1:11 “”…Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

Hi SolaGratia,

Thank you for coming to us with your questions. May we be able to show to love of Christ to you in our answers!

The most important thing you can do is cry out to God. When the burden is heavy on your heart is a good time. That is when our prayers are most effective and most fervent. Seek His wisdom and guidance, first and foremost. I say this only as a reminder, as I am sure you know these things and most likely are already doing them.

Beyond that, you must be strong and stand straight, upright. Right now your girlfriend wants to lean on you, but she also needs to stand up straight. When we lean on one another too hard, falling is more likely.

How far away is marriage for you two?

Is is possible for your gf to move out and live apart from her mother? Perhaps with a friend, or her own apartment?

ServantofTruth
Dec 18th 2008, 06:04 PM
Someone has to break the cycle. Your girlfriend needs to stop yelling and swearing. I've been there many years ago with my own mother (long before i became a Christian). You are honestly on automatic. The smallest comment and before you know it it's descended into every bad thing your parents ever did. Then you regret and want to go back.

Well you can't! But you can draw a line. Say today i'm not going to respond. I'm going to listen and say/ do NOTHING. Yes listen to the other person's pain. They need you, they love you, but don't have the ability to put it into words. YOU have to be the strong one. Ask the Spirit to guide you today and see what happens. :)

I have also had similar with my wife, who is not a believer. She gets upset and frustrated and says some very hurtful things. I have been blessed with understanding in recent years. I allow her to talk and say, and usually she ends up in tears admitting she doesn't know why she said those things and didn't mean them.

A 'true' Christian is at an advantage. We know LOVE is always the key. Love for God, love for people, love for those who hate us even.

YOU & your girlfriend need to start using your biblical spirit led ADVANTAGE.





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