Evil thoughts

[PWC1970]

Hello all, first time visitor here, I searched for a christian message board, and this is the first thing that came up, so I joined right away. I just want to ask for some more advice for a serious problem I am having. I know nobody has all the answers, and I don't want to sound crazy or babble on, or if this is long winded... I have read some posts on here, and they seem to be more serious than mine, but mine is something that torments me almost from waking up to going to sleep.

First of all, I was baptized a couple of years ago, it was something I wanted to do. I did sin a lot since then, and I am ashamed of it, and all I can do is beg for forgiveness. I have commited to completely turn away from sin, maybe this problem made me feel that way, or I decided to before.

But my problem, is these evil thoughts in my head. I got sick with a virus around a week ago, and the thoughts, not necessarily voices, but 3 or 5 words put together started happening around that time with reckless abandon, they might have been there before, but this entire week has been a non-stop battle. I can't repeat it, but they are just in my head, HORRIBLE curse words toward God and Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, the church, the Bible, even the Virgin Mary! It also positive thoughts about satan. I really don't know why they are there. I rebuke them with positive thoughts, like praise God, praise Jesus, love God, love Jesus, worship God, worship jesus, etc...

I say them in my mind when I am at work, as it is constant, but when I am in my car or at home, I say out loud, reject satan, and the positive things out loud. But it just lasts for almost the whole day, my positive thoughts are immediately met with the evil words, it's a never ending battle in my head. I can't even enjoy a dinner with my girlfriend who I have taken out the past 2 nights, and the thoughts start again, taking away my appetite, and my not being myself, I didn't share it with her as I don't want to sound insane. She just knows something is on my mind.

I have talked to 2 close pastors of mine, but I just would like others advice, they have been helpful, saying it's just Satan trying to corrupt you, or mess with your mind. I just keep saying to God, that the word Satan and the cuss words, and anything rejecting the Holy Spirit, are just words, they have no meaning, they didn't come from me, the only words that come from my heart towards you God and Jesus are love, praise, and worship.

I am just afraid that I have condemned myself, that I may have repeated the thought to deny it, replace it with good words, but the evil thoughts just come too easily in my head, like the worse curse word toward God. I say to God and Jesus, who I have prayed too many times, you are in my heart, it can't be broken, no sin can enter, and these thoughts did not come from my heart or mouth, so why are they in my head? I read the bible, listen to Christian music, and continue to pray. But the evil still wakes me up two hours before I am supposed to get up, prevents me from getting to sleep, enjoying a night with the woman I love, eating regularly, and from doing a good job at work. I even think it has kept me ill, as I am still having stomach problems. When they go away for a while, I start to feel that satan won, or that God has shut me out. Maybe I bring the evil words back in that way, I don't know. I know God and Jesus love me, and I am not angry at them, I am just angry at the evil, I have no reason to say such things to The Creator and his Son, and no reason to think positive about anything evil. I am even scared to go to church this Sunday, as I don't want to be sitting there while this horrible stuff goes on.

Thanks to all who read this, and for any advice, that you feel would help. I don't think I would become mentally ill all of a sudden, and again, that I am not condemned by these horrible thoughts.

Thank you
Patrick

[moonglow]

I have been through this a couple of time in my life. The first time was after my son was born and probably hormonal though...which since you are a guy, that wouldn't be the case. then a few years ago it came up again. You have to rebuke them out loud..say, be gone evil spirits of hateful words towards God in the Name of Jesus and by the blood of Jesus. And you may have to do this many times at first before it lets up. Now...another thing...if this doesn't work you need to hold every thought captive:

2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

In other words find a way to distract yourself from these thoughts...you 'derail them'. What I did was when they started I would not pay attention to them...not give them any power over me...not react at all but go about my business...I would start reading something or turn the TV...anything to force my mind to interrupt them through distraction. You can pray of course but the problem I found is this 'battle of the thoughts' gets worse because then you are focusing on the very thing it is! Then the bad thoughts get worse and then you feel even worse yourself! In other words don't let it bother you so much that its distrubing your life because by doing that you are giving this too much power...do you know what I mean? that is what I finally had to do...take away its power over me.

They finally they stopped!

The other most important thing...is you need to have as many praying for you against this as possible. The power of prayer is an amazing thing...so I will be sure to pray for you!

Oh and by the way...glad you are here. :)

God bless

[livingwaters]

Welcome PWC! Here is a scripture that Jesus spoke:

Matthew 8:32 (NASB)
32 And He said to them, “Go!” And they came out and went into the swine, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea and perished in the waters.


See, we, as Christians, have the power to cast out demons. Jesus said HIS power is in us and HE gave us the authority to say, I command you to come out and be cast into the abyss, in Jesus' name. Amen.

As Moonglow said, when satan gives you a curse word or one of his thoughts, say, "in Heaven there will be streets of gold, crystal rivers, my Savior Jesus will I see; my mansion and just repeat, repeat, repeat...and get busy with reading your Bible or watching TBN Gospel tv, or Christian music....at the name of Jesus, satan has to flee!! Speak it aloud...over...and over....and over....till it stops...

God Bless:hug:

[JesusMySavior]

We praise God for the deliverance of this man. You are so worthy to be praised, Lord. Amen!

[DaniHansen]

You know fully well what your true thoughts are towards the Lord.

And God knows them too.

Therefore, humble yourself under God's mighty hand. Call on the power of Jesus, and resist the enemy, and he will flee from you.

Of course he is going to attack us when we are at our weakest. But Jesus never weakens, and His strength is always the same and never fades. Remain in Christ and renew your mind with God's Word daily, hourly, saturate your thoughts with it. Then meditate on God's Word on purpose and keep your mind on it. When we actively and on purpose pursue God that way, consistently and all the time, the enemy soon won't have a leg to stand on because a major weapon he has against us is our own idle-mindedness and uncontrolled thinking.

You can control your thoughts. You can focus them on God and on God's Word. You can submit them to the Lord. You surely can, or the Bible wouldn't tell you to do it. :)

[karenoka27]

First of all, welcome to the board,Patrick. There is a lot of great encouragement found here among the believers, I hope you will find that as well.
Secondly, no one has a more or less serious problem than another. We are here to encourage one another as we walk this journey on earth following our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.:hug:

You say that you have sinned a lot since your baptism. Baptism does not wash away your sins, nor does it cease the ability to stop sinning. If it did, we would not have such verses as 1 John 1:9-"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
Read Romans 7:15-25, that might help you to understand this flesh.

You don't have to beg for forgiveness,just ask and know that He does.
Psalm 103:12-"As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us."

You mentioned the Virgin Mary. I'm not sure what religion you are coming from, but you do know that Mary remained a virgin only until Jesus was born? She did indeed have other children?

Matthew 1:24-25-"Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS."


If your girlfriend is a believer in Jesus Christ then I would suggest sharing these things with her. Pray together. It strengthens a relationship!


Satan roams this earth seeking whom he may devour. One thing that I have had to come to realize, is that if I am going to believe in the power of evil, then I must also believe more in the power of God's Goodness. He created all things,including Satan/lucifer and the angels. They are not stronger than our God.


Go to church, and continue to pray and read your Bible. Those are the things that make you a stronger Christian in fighting evil influences. You have the victory in Christ!


Memorize Scripture. Get some index cards and carry them with you. Actually,don't worry about memorizing them,just read them often. Let them become a part of your thinking,and they will.:)


And sometimes it doesn't even have to be the entire verse. For example:


Hebrews 13:5-"...I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee."


Here are some verses:



Colossians 3:2-"Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth."


2 Corinthians 10:5-"Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;"


Praying for you.:hug:

[PWC1970]

Thank you all for your replies and encouragement. I will just continue to do my best to fight it, and just know that these evil words, the ones that just pop up with no warning, or the ones I may have thought of, to reject them and replace them with positive words, will soon go away. I try to think of other things, but it is just hard. I can't let the devil win and control my day, I just know that I love God and Jesus in my heart. Thanks for the prayers and please continue to pray that these cuss words toward God and Jesus do go away, I do believe in the power of others praying, it has gone away later in the day, and I am not trying to think of it, it just pops up every now and then, after tormenting me a lot earlier this morning. I do believe that people praying for me works, I just want this totally gone. I was so mixed up earlier and I was about to say out loud praise God, and my mind was thinking Satan sucks (weird, I know), praise and satan came out, but I know the word praise didn't come from my heart for that one. That just upset me even more. I said praise God and reject satan a lot after that. :)

Thank you so much for everything!

[doveslanding]

From the time I was baptized in Puerto Rico in 1969 until I was baptized into the Holy Spirit in Bryan Texas in 1981 I hated Jesus! I could not tolerate worshiping another man.
Every morning for over a year riding my bicycle to school each day I'd prey to God to change my mind. I realized I was possessed and needed deliverance. One day I heard a sermon by televangelist Charles Stanley who taught on the reality of the word, and the cross referencing of the many times the bible agrees and that Jesus was not just a man but the .................GOD ON EARTH! Emanuel. PTL. Jeus and the Word were synonomous and every word of the bilbe was God speaking directly to me and Jesus was sent to dleiver me and He sent the Holy Spirit to be my Advocte and Comforter.
Soon there after I very reluncantly received the baptism into the Holy Spirt and then spent every night at the little store front church in Bryan in bible classes, prayer times, teachings,etc. It was not finished yet, still beligured when I returend to Sasdi Arabia I was sure I was as the dirt and filth of the earth and once again not only emersed my self in ery night classes, paise and worship, preachings but at a meeting of the FGBMFI announced thart God not man was my sopurce. Bingo!
From that day on I enjoyed the liberty of Galatians4!
28Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30But what does the Scripture say? "Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman's son."[c (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=55&chapter=4&version=31#fen-NIV-29146c)] 31Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
I would welcome contiuing this conversation.
Agape!
Rev. Barie Fez-Barringten

[moonglow]

Thank you all for your replies and encouragement. I will just continue to do my best to fight it, and just know that these evil words, the ones that just pop up with no warning, or the ones I may have thought of, to reject them and replace them with positive words, will soon go away. I try to think of other things, but it is just hard. I can't let the devil win and control my day, I just know that I love God and Jesus in my heart. Thanks for the prayers and please continue to pray that these cuss words toward God and Jesus do go away, I do believe in the power of others praying, it has gone away later in the day, and I am not trying to think of it, it just pops up every now and then, after tormenting me a lot earlier this morning. I do believe that people praying for me works, I just want this totally gone. I was so mixed up earlier and I was about to say out loud praise God, and my mind was thinking Satan sucks (weird, I know), praise and satan came out, but I know the word praise didn't come from my heart for that one. That just upset me even more. I said praise God and reject satan a lot after that. :)

Thank you so much for everything!

I know its hard and yes its very tormenting...but the key here is to NOT let it upset you...take that power away and do not respond. Its like dealing with a bully...the bully does what he does TO upset you...to get a reaction. If you don't react, don't get upset, it deflates them...you have taken away the power they have over you. Since the bully no longer gets a 'pay off' he goes to find someone else to pick on...

God knows its not 'you' so no need to feel guilty ok? Force your mind to think about anything else...go look outside if nothing else...see what the weather is like..think about doing things outside...whatever to make yourself think of other things. I am still praying for you.

God bless

[PWC1970]

Thanks again. The words are here again today, not constant, but around. I really do appreciate the words of everyone, as well as the prayers. I don't know why it is suddenly here non-stop for the past week or so. I never had any ill feelings toward God or Jesus, I just didn't know him, I didn't consider myself any religion, but I just decided to one day to want to be closer to him and become a Christian. Maybe I am not a good enough Christian as I should be, as I need to learn more about the Bible and God and Jesus, just continue to read it, etc.

When the evil words, like this F God word seems to be stuck in my brain that I can't get out, I just shouldn't ignore it, should I? I just keep thinking in my brain that my praise and love for Jesus don't come from my heart big enough. I do think it's the devil just putting that doubt when I say I love Jesus, I love God, I do want it to come from my heart, and to love them more than anything on earth. I wouldn't say the positive things or think them if I didn't mean them! Nobody can tell my heart what to think, but does anyone just have any suggestions on how to be closer to Jesus? I don't want to think that these evil words I may have repeated in my head just to negate them or the ones I can't control may have offended or angered God or Jesus. But like I said before, I have never had anything bad to say about God or Jesus. They gave me life, and many blessings, why would I say any praise toward sin or the horrible devil? That's why I don't understand these words. I go on vacation to Florida tommorow and I can not let this ruin it.

I just can't let evil win and cast doubt in my brain that my praise and love don't come from my heart big enough. I just need to learn more to be closer to Jesus.

One more question though, when you all think of Jesus to praise and love him, do you have a picture or face to think of? I just try to think of one picture I found online, nobody really knows what he looks like, but I just use it as an idea, not to worship a picture, but what he might look like.

THANKS ALL! (I hope I don't sound crazy) LOL

[DaniHansen]

Another thing that might help you is to play worship music in your home and vehicle and wherever you are. That really helps me. You cannot fill your mind with God and think evil thoughts. If you put one thing in, then another has to go. :)

[moonglow]

Thanks again. The words are here again today, not constant, but around. I really do appreciate the words of everyone, as well as the prayers. I don't know why it is suddenly here non-stop for the past week or so. I never had any ill feelings toward God or Jesus, I just didn't know him, I didn't consider myself any religion, but I just decided to one day to want to be closer to him and become a Christian. Maybe I am not a good enough Christian as I should be, as I need to learn more about the Bible and God and Jesus, just continue to read it, etc.

When the evil words, like this F God word seems to be stuck in my brain that I can't get out, I just shouldn't ignore it, should I? I just keep thinking in my brain that my praise and love for Jesus don't come from my heart big enough. I do think it's the devil just putting that doubt when I say I love Jesus, I love God, I do want it to come from my heart, and to love them more than anything on earth. I wouldn't say the positive things or think them if I didn't mean them! Nobody can tell my heart what to think, but does anyone just have any suggestions on how to be closer to Jesus? I don't want to think that these evil words I may have repeated in my head just to negate them or the ones I can't control may have offended or angered God or Jesus. But like I said before, I have never had anything bad to say about God or Jesus. They gave me life, and many blessings, why would I say any praise toward sin or the horrible devil? That's why I don't understand these words. I go on vacation to Florida tommorow and I can not let this ruin it.

I just can't let evil win and cast doubt in my brain that my praise and love don't come from my heart big enough. I just need to learn more to be closer to Jesus.

One more question though, when you all think of Jesus to praise and love him, do you have a picture or face to think of? I just try to think of one picture I found online, nobody really knows what he looks like, but I just use it as an idea, not to worship a picture, but what he might look like.

THANKS ALL! (I hope I don't sound crazy) LOL

You need to start reading the New Testament for sure...about the life of Christ ..knowing the Word of God will help alot. And yea you have to ignore these bad thoughts in order to take the power of them away as I said before. Also I am wondering something...what kind of illness did you have? You said you got sick and that is when all this started. Did you have a sore throat or strep throat by chance? They have recently discovered (well in the last few years) that strep throat can trigger obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD) in children and now in adults too. Its called PANDAS:

Click on these links:
How Strep Triggers Obsessive Compulsive Disorder – New Clues (http://www.nimh.nih.gov/science-news/2006/how-strep-triggers-obsessive-compulsive-disorder-new-clues.shtml)

Antistreptolysin-O Titers: Implications for Adult PANDAS (http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/159/2/320)

OCD can be just repeated unwanted thoughts or actions. The ones we think of the most are like repeated hand washing...but its much more then just that. Something maybe to check out..if you even think this is a possibility you might want to print these out and read them on your trip (don't know if you are flying or driving or what..). Praying for you!

God bless

[CjSoReLFoReaL]

Thanks again. The words are here again today, not constant, but around. I really do appreciate the words of everyone, as well as the prayers. I don't know why it is suddenly here non-stop for the past week or so. I never had any ill feelings toward God or Jesus, I just didn't know him, I didn't consider myself any religion, but I just decided to one day to want to be closer to him and become a Christian. Maybe I am not a good enough Christian as I should be, as I need to learn more about the Bible and God and Jesus, just continue to read it, etc.

When the evil words, like this F God word seems to be stuck in my brain that I can't get out, I just shouldn't ignore it, should I? I just keep thinking in my brain that my praise and love for Jesus don't come from my heart big enough. I do think it's the devil just putting that doubt when I say I love Jesus, I love God, I do want it to come from my heart, and to love them more than anything on earth. I wouldn't say the positive things or think them if I didn't mean them! Nobody can tell my heart what to think, but does anyone just have any suggestions on how to be closer to Jesus? I don't want to think that these evil words I may have repeated in my head just to negate them or the ones I can't control may have offended or angered God or Jesus. But like I said before, I have never had anything bad to say about God or Jesus. They gave me life, and many blessings, why would I say any praise toward sin or the horrible devil? That's why I don't understand these words. I go on vacation to Florida tommorow and I can not let this ruin it.

I just can't let evil win and cast doubt in my brain that my praise and love don't come from my heart big enough. I just need to learn more to be closer to Jesus.

One more question though, when you all think of Jesus to praise and love him, do you have a picture or face to think of? I just try to think of one picture I found online, nobody really knows what he looks like, but I just use it as an idea, not to worship a picture, but what he might look like.

THANKS ALL! (I hope I don't sound crazy) LOL


I suffer from this as well i was even relieved when i found out that other people had these thoughts cause i thought i was alone....Ive experienced those words you think towards God to the 10th power to the point where it would consume me and i would even contemplate ending my life...Cause i couldnt bare to think such things towards my Creator....These thoughts are so uncontrollable where i try to repalce them with something positive id get hit with 5 mores things negative...To the point where praising evil in my mind was happening...You know that song by led zeppelin the one if you play it backwards what it says...well i got that in my head over and over....its terrible.....I actually think i opened myself up to this with drug use, because it became alot worse after but i did suffer from manic depression before it.

There could be a few things going on you got to remember we got three enemies going on here....Satan/Your sinful Self-flesh/And the world, the only good in you is jesus the holy spirit...so you got them all fighting the holy spirit....

The Whole Armor of God

10 A final word: Be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power.

11 Put on all of God’s armor so that you will be able to stand firm against all strategies of the devil.

12 For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.

13 Therefore, put on every piece of God’s armor so you will be able to resist the enemy in the time of evil. Then after the battle you will still be standing firm. 14 Stand your ground, putting on the belt of truth and the body armor of God’s righteousness. 15 For shoes, put on the peace that comes from the Good News so that you will be fully prepared.

16 In addition to all of these, hold up the shield of faith to stop the fiery arrows of the devil. 17 Put on salvation as your helmet, and take the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

So what does this mean....Dive nose first into the word of GOD just surround yourself in it....Soak it in and absorb it in your mind....Like me i have trouble reading i dont read well...So i get my pastors Sermons on cd and listen to them on my way to work and wherever...I mean i still experince it my mind but now it loses its foothold on yah when you confront it with truth and your filled with it...LIke someone else said the devil has to flee...Also like someone else said Rebuke it....Say outloud I Rebuke all evil thoughts in the name of Jesus and in the BLOOD of Christ Amen..Finaly Remember God can use evil for those that love him and make it good...It even could be a way to call us back to him...Cause i have never wanted to learn more about him and his word then when i was confronted with this issue...

[ashdelanepsalm63]

several years ago I dedicated my life to God and within a couple of months I was experiencing the exact same trials that you are....I haven't read many of the other replies so it may be redundant-i fell into a deep depression and was consumed with obsessive compulsive like evil thoughts-that I cant even to this day bring myself to speak aloud....Satan's fiery darts. He gets upset when we turn to God and he steals our joy,sanity,etc...Jesus has already defeated Him and He will rebuke him from you. This lasted for several months for me-but then God freed me and gave me His amazing peace-I know now that He allowed me to go through that so that I would not only have to totally put my trust in Him(we both know that no human or *meds can deliver a person from that kind of torment), but also i got to see just how real the spiritual world is and as bad as satan is and gets to us-God Will Always Overcome Him! I will be praying for you constantly. Just stay in the Word, pray without ceasing(even if it feels useless or wrong), listen to praise and worship music-and be still and know that He is God. Please, if you need encouragement, prayer, or someone that understands---please contact me. I know exactly what you are going through-or went through. *This too shall pass.*psalm63
*meant medication alone*

[ashdelanepsalm63]

and friend you are not crazy! Even Peter had doubts. It's such a horrible,spiritual hell to go through but I promise Jesus will free you. I thank the Lord often for letting me go through those hellish battles because there have been so many people that I have been able to minister to or at least comfort that suffered the same thing-one is my little sister actually. My heart goess out to you. Again....I understand and I am here for you even if you just want someone to interceed for you.
ps as someone else mentioned you may want to be tested for ocd. I was temporarily put on ocd meds towards the end of my battle. I no longer have problems with it....but satan will hit you where you're weak -cover yourself with God and if meds could help then by all means use every tool God makes you available to rebuke that thief!:pray::hug:

[ashdelanepsalm63]

I suffer from this as well i was even relieved when i found out that other people had these thoughts cause i thought i was alone....Ive experienced those words you think towards God to the 10th power to the point where it would consume me and i would even contemplate ending my life...Cause i couldnt bare to think such things towards my Creator....These thoughts are so uncontrollable where i try to repalce them with something positive id get hit with 5 mores things negative...To the point where praising evil in my mind was happening...You know that song by led zeppelin the one if you play it backwards what it says...well i got that in my head over and over....its terrible.....I actually think i opened myself up to this with drug use, because it became alot worse after but i did suffer from manic depression before it.

There could be a few things going on you got to remember we got three enemies going on here....Satan/Your sinful Self-flesh/And the world, the only good in you is jesus the holy spirit...so you got them all fighting the holy spirit....

The Whole Armor of God

10 A final word: Be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power.

11 Put on all of God’s armor so that you will be able to stand firm against all strategies of the devil.

12 For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.

13 Therefore, put on every piece of God’s armor so you will be able to resist the enemy in the time of evil. Then after the battle you will still be standing firm. 14 Stand your ground, putting on the belt of truth and the body armor of God’s righteousness. 15 For shoes, put on the peace that comes from the Good News so that you will be fully prepared.

16 In addition to all of these, hold up the shield of faith to stop the fiery arrows of the devil. 17 Put on salvation as your helmet, and take the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

So what does this mean....Dive nose first into the word of GOD just surround yourself in it....Soak it in and absorb it in your mind....Like me i have trouble reading i dont read well...So i get my pastors Sermons on cd and listen to them on my way to work and wherever...I mean i still experince it my mind but now it loses its foothold on yah when you confront it with truth and your filled with it...LIke someone else said the devil has to flee...Also like someone else said Rebuke it....Say outloud I Rebuke all evil thoughts in the name of Jesus and in the BLOOD of Christ Amen..Finaly Remember God can use evil for those that love him and make it good...It even could be a way to call us back to him...Cause i have never wanted to learn more about him and his word then when i was confronted with this issue...

i think i pretty much just said what you already said....when i went through that same thing I seeked Him, researched Him, wanted to know everylast detail-more than ever-I totally agree-had i not gone through that I would not know half of what I know about my Lord now...nor would I know and have such an intimate relationship with Him. There is definitely a spiritual war going on....it's real man:) we need to all just put on our full armor of God and get prayed up! It's gonNa be ok though-because PRAISE THE LORD-HE IS ALIVE AND SATAN HAS BEEN DEFEATED. HAPPY EARLY EASTER TO MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST THAT HAVE FOUGHT OR ARE FIGHTING THE SAME BATTLE i ONCE DID. IF CHRIST LIVES IN US THEN WHOM SHALL WE FEAR

[Metamorphasis]

I'm not sure if it was brought up, but this sounds a lot like OCD (obsessive-compulsive disorder) in which you get thoughts that you don't want and you have in inability to stop thinking about them. I deal with this in different ways, and not sure if it is the same, but what you are describing sounds pretty common symptoms of OCD. Do a search of it, and even check out support forums of it and you may find that there are tons of people out there who deal with the same thing. Don't feel guilty, the idea that you feel guilty over this proves that this isn't you, and isn't your fault. God bless.

[Skipscan]

PWC, you may have heard this before, but you haven't condemned yourself because you have a conscience about what you're saying and thinking. You need to stop thinking about how urgent it is to stop the blasphemy. The more you think about how important it is to stop, the more you'll do it. The blasphemy is in your head and it's taking you over because of reverse psychology. The key to stopping it is not just in prayer, but also in you not thinking about the urgency any longer. In other words, don't think about it! If that thought of blasphemy enters you again, sing hallelujah to The Lord. It's pretty tough to blaspheme him if you're singing hallelujah to him. I'll pray for you tonight.

[PWC1970]

Thanks to all for your words! I got back from Orlando today for our vacation, and I am sorry to say the words ruined a lot of it for me, I tried not to show it, but we went to Sea World, and BAM, the F words were there again, the plane ride down, a show we went to last night, and the airport and plane ride back home. I guess I let the devil accomplish what he wanted on that one. I just tried to think positive thoughts when they happened, but it just seemed like a constant battle.

I immediately called my pastor friend to talk some more. He assured me that these words didn't come from my mouth, so they couldn't have come from my heart. I just think that I may have brought the evil words back up, by thinking of them again, just to deny them, and that is what scares me too. I know it coming from the mouth is a sin, but someone can't go around thinking evil stuff about God and Jesus, and it not be a sin. I know I can't control my mind, or what goes in it, I do think it's the devil, or like was said here, maybe OCD. I just hope I didn't bring the words back or think of them just to deny them and say praise Jesus and Praise God. They do pop up though when I don't want them to, but thinking of the evil words on my own accord is just another trick from the devil and I pray it is not a sin. I do listen to religious music, and ask for forgiveness, and I just want to do my best to get closer to Jesus and God. The words were in my dreams when I napped, then when I woke up, that was in my head about not speaking it, then the words started, I was rejecting them out loud, wasn't paying attention I guess, and praise the evil came out of my mouth, I know it had no feeling, but I just knew I would be tricked like that. This has to be some kind of OCD, I have no idea.

Thanks again to everyone for the prayers.

God bless you all!

[DaniHansen]

There is this story of a preacher who awoke from a deep sleep in the middle of the night, to find the devil standing next to his bed.

The preacher said "Oh, it's just you" and turned over and fell back asleep.

Don't fall for the trick of this being a serious threat to you. It's not. It's just mind games. And the whole point isn't to get you to slip, the point is to run you ragged. And, he is succeeding.

Sometimes we really just have to go "Oh, it's just you" and flick the enemy off like so much of a mosquito because we understand that these things can do us only harm if we take them for more than they are, which is harrassment and heckling in your case.

[Skipscan]

Every time you think the thought of FG, think of yourself as pulling a trigger. You wouldn't actually pull the trigger on a person, would you? I'll be praying for you. Replace that F word with praise. Say it again and you get Praise him. Any time you think F, replace it with praise. Say it over and over again in your head. You will not get overrun by these thoughts in your head. The only reason you want to say such things is because you're not supposed to say them.

[Lacey]

and friend you are not crazy! Even Peter had doubts. It's such a horrible,spiritual hell to go through but I promise Jesus will free you. I thank the Lord often for letting me go through those hellish battles because there have been so many people that I have been able to minister to or at least comfort that suffered the same thing-one is my little sister actually. My heart goess out to you. Again....I understand and I am here for you even if you just want someone to interceed for you.
ps as someone else mentioned you may want to be tested for ocd. I was temporarily put on ocd meds towards the end of my battle. I no longer have problems with it....but satan will hit you where you're weak -cover yourself with God and if meds could help then by all means use every tool God makes you available to rebuke that thief!:pray::hug:
I believe you are talking about me, and I thank you for that!

PWC,
Ashley posted a prayer request for me a few days ago, though she did not name me. I'll tell you my very very recent story.
Last Thursday, in the midst of a completely unrelated dream, I suddenly found myself awake, rolled onto my knees, praying and crying out to the Lord to "heal my father. Place your hands on his heart before its too late!" God was speaking to me LOUD AND CLEAR (could have only been clearer if he were standing in my room in the flesh and speaking audibly) that I needed to pray for my earthly father before it was too late. I wasnt completely sure what the issue was, I just knew that he was depressed and apparently needed urgent prayer. I found out later that I wasnt the only one in the family who God informed of my father's great need of prayer. I also found out later in the day from my mother that my dad WAS, in fact, struggling with some serious issues.
Over the next several days, I prayed and prayed for my dad. I prayed that should I fast, God would show me what kind of fast I should do and for how long (I've never fasted really). I was feeling more spiritual than ever... reading my Bible more, researching things I didnt understand..
Then it began. When I took my children to the pediatrician on Tuesday, I was feeling GREAT. I noticed a woman sitting in her car with the window down on my way in, but no big deal. Our visit was VERY quick, about 20 min.. so when I left, the car that was near me (with the woman in it) was still there. I paid no attention and began strapping my children back in the car. When I got to my son and began buckling him in, for whatever reason, I looked over my shoulder. The woman in the car was not a woman at all but the most evil looking man I had ever seen and he was staring directly at me. I dont know what about him made him look evil, but I felt as though I was staring at the face of a demon. For a split second, I locked eyes and suddenly felt DISGUSTING inside. My aunt described it perfectly when telling me that she had a similar experience.. it felt like I had been "SLIMED by satan." I lost my breath, began to shake, and could barely buckle my son in his seat. I quickly got into my car, locked all my doors, and turned my Family Life Radio back up. After looking back to ensure that the car wasnt following me, I put it in the back of my mind. It didnt SEEM to be affecting me anymore..but I was just unaware of the fact that it WAS affecting me-severely. When I got home, FLR (Family Life Radio) was playing in my kitchen-as always-only this time, I felt annoyed by it and was tempted to turn it off but instead, I just turned it down. My husband came home.. a very small tiff turned into all out war with my poor husband having no idea why I was so angry. I found myself yelling G-D at him.. and that is one thing I do NOT say. Usually, FLR keeps our emotions at bay so little tiffs dont turn into these all out wars. I was so angry with him that I ended up leaving the house for a while. When I came home again, I was a bit calmer and just wanted to take a bath. I felt HORRIBLE. I was sick to my stomach, angry, very irritable..just in a really "bad mood" it seemed. That evening, I began seeing that face flash in my mind out of nowhere. Each time, it would leave me so nauseous, I was sure I was going to hurl. I dont think I slept at all that night.. the brief moments that I almost slept.. I had nightmares and woke terrified. I couldnt get the face out of my head. I was shaking so hard that I wondered WHAT was making the bed shake (not realizing til later that it was ME!). I tried to pray.. I actually spent most of the night TRYING to pray. It never seemed sincere but instead, seemed like I was just trying to get it out before the picture popped in my mind. I found myself thinking the same things as you.. I would recite in my head over and over "all praise to Jesus.. all praise to Jesus" but sometimes, "Satan" would replace "Jesus" and it would scare me to bits! I was sure that if I DID fall asleep, I was going to wake up full-blown demon possessed. Surely, I was going to snap the next morning. Would I hurt my children? Would I be psychotic and go on a killing spree like those in the news recently? Should I tell my husband to stay home and watch after me? He couldnt anyways, so I guess I should just stay up praying that I will be released of whatever this is! I sent my sister (ashdelanepsalm63) a text telling her what was going on and asking her to pray for me because, as she has already mentioned, I knew she would understand and not deem me as psychotic. The next morning, I sent my aunt an email asking that she pray for me as well. She sent me a lot of good scripture that I will happily pass on to you once I get it back up. I finally decided that I was NOT going to let fear win. I opened up all my windows, admired the beautiful new growth in the yard that God provided, and turned my FLR up loud and sang along. It was half-hearted, no matter how I tried. Despite my sudden fear of leaving the house, I was taking the kids for a walk. I did and mostly enjoyed it, but occasionally a car would pass that would leave me wondering if they were watching me. I decided that we would attend church that night (last night).. surely that would make me feel better-it always has! I went to church, I sang my praise and worship music, I wrote down all my notes.. and still felt terrible. I found myself questioning the Bible and other matters of God. I called my sis last night and got some comfort, but I still couldnt shake the feeling--or even stop shaking for that matter. Throughout the day and the night, I had repeated scripture aloud and loudly rebuked any demons within myself or my household. I let satan know that he had NO power over me and that Jesus was far bigger than him (though I wasnt completely convinced at the time). I asked several to pray for me, as well. I did, however, stop praying for myself so much. I stopped asking to be released and instead just CLAIMED release. Praying about it was making me continue thinking about it in depth. It was forcing me to see that face again.
As terrified as I was to fall asleep last night, I did.. and did not suffer any nightmares. I woke up still somewhat shakey this morning, but I kept myself busy ALL DAY LONG. I left the house with the toddlers in tow and made a FULL day of running errands and doing the things that I usually let wait til the weekend. I kept my praise and worship music on, sang along.. and before I knew it, Id stopped shaking. I doubt satan has given up on me yet, but for the time being, he knows he has lost. I have even brought myself to type this without feeling nauseated by "the face."
My suffering may not have lasted as long (if it is, in fact, over), but I truly believe that its because I have so many wonderful believers in my life who (unfortunately) have experienced the same type of thing and have offered great counseling to me.. and knew which scriptures to lead me to.

Mark 4:40 - He said to his disciples, "Why are you so afraid? Do you still have no faith?"
Luke 12:32 - "Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom
Isaiah 41:13 - For I am the Lord, your God, who takes hold of your right hand and says to you, do not fear, I will help you.
Isaiah 54:14 - In righteousness you will be established: Tyranny will be far from you; you will have nothing to fear. Terror will be far removed; it will not come near you
Proverbs 1:33 - But whoever listens to me will live in safety and be at ease, without fear of harm.
Proverbs 3:24 - When you lie down, you will not be afraid; when you lie down, your sleep will be sweet.
Proverbs 3:25 - Have no fear of sudden disaster or of the ruin that overtakes the wicked,
Proverbs 3:26 - for the Lord will be your confidence and will keep your foot from being snared.
Proverbs 29:25 - Fear of man will prove to be a snare, but whoever trusts in the Lord is kept safe.
Hebrews 13:6 - So we say with confidence, "The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?"
Psalm 23:4 - Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me: your rod and your staff, they comfort me.

Talk to your girlfriend, tell her what is going on, ask her pray with you. Do not be afraid that people will think you are insane--that was my fear as well..I even wrote in my email to my aunt "I know this sounds crazy" and "I hope Im not losing my mind", but no one did (or at least no one TOLD me they did LOL). It helped to talk about it outloud. Keeping those demons inside allows them to have even more power. They know you are afraid to speak of them, so how will others help you get rid of them if you dont even tell people of them? Why carry the weight alone when others are probably willing to help take some of that weight off of you in prayer? When you begin to talk about your issues, you may feel that they begin to minimize. It REALLY helped me to be able to call my sister or my mom or go to my husband and say "Hey, Im having a hard time again. I still cant shake this feeling. Please pray for me!"
Rebuke those words and thoughts outloud. Whether you feel it or not, let Satan know that he has NO power over you!
When I come across more scripture that helped me, I will come back and post to you. I have said a prayer for you and will again before bed. I know how horrible that feeling is and I know that God will release you of it, too!
God Bless You, Brother! :hug::pray:

[ashdelanepsalm63]

I believe you are talking about me, and I thank you for that!

PWC,
Ashley posted a prayer request for me a few days ago, though she did not name me. I'll tell you my very very recent story.
Last Thursday, in the midst of a completely unrelated dream, I suddenly found myself awake, rolled onto my knees, praying and crying out to the Lord to "heal my father. Place your hands on his heart before its too late!" God was speaking to me LOUD AND CLEAR (could have only been clearer if he were standing in my room in the flesh and speaking audibly) that I needed to pray for my earthly father before it was too late. I wasnt completely sure what the issue was, I just knew that he was depressed and apparently needed urgent prayer. I found out later that I wasnt the only one in the family who God informed of my father's great need of prayer. I also found out later in the day from my mother that my dad WAS, in fact, struggling with some serious issues.
Over the next several days, I prayed and prayed for my dad. I prayed that should I fast, God would show me what kind of fast I should do and for how long (I've never fasted really). I was feeling more spiritual than ever... reading my Bible more, researching things I didnt understand..
Then it began. When I took my children to the pediatrician on Tuesday, I was feeling GREAT. I noticed a woman sitting in her car with the window down on my way in, but no big deal. Our visit was VERY quick, about 20 min.. so when I left, the car that was near me (with the woman in it) was still there. I paid no attention and began strapping my children back in the car. When I got to my son and began buckling him in, for whatever reason, I looked over my shoulder. The woman in the car was not a woman at all but the most evil looking man I had ever seen and he was staring directly at me. I dont know what about him made him look evil, but I felt as though I was staring at the face of a demon. For a split second, I locked eyes and suddenly felt DISGUSTING inside. My aunt described it perfectly when telling me that she had a similar experience.. it felt like I had been "SLIMED by satan." I lost my breath, began to shake, and could barely buckle my son in his seat. I quickly got into my car, locked all my doors, and turned my Family Life Radio back up. After looking back to ensure that the car wasnt following me, I put it in the back of my mind. It didnt SEEM to be affecting me anymore..but I was just unaware of the fact that it WAS affecting me-severely. When I got home, FLR (Family Life Radio) was playing in my kitchen-as always-only this time, I felt annoyed by it and was tempted to turn it off but instead, I just turned it down. My husband came home.. a very small tiff turned into all out war with my poor husband having no idea why I was so angry. I found myself yelling G-D at him.. and that is one thing I do NOT say. Usually, FLR keeps our emotions at bay so little tiffs dont turn into these all out wars. I was so angry with him that I ended up leaving the house for a while. When I came home again, I was a bit calmer and just wanted to take a bath. I felt HORRIBLE. I was sick to my stomach, angry, very irritable..just in a really "bad mood" it seemed. That evening, I began seeing that face flash in my mind out of nowhere. Each time, it would leave me so nauseous, I was sure I was going to hurl. I dont think I slept at all that night.. the brief moments that I almost slept.. I had nightmares and woke terrified. I couldnt get the face out of my head. I was shaking so hard that I wondered WHAT was making the bed shake (not realizing til later that it was ME!). I tried to pray.. I actually spent most of the night TRYING to pray. It never seemed sincere but instead, seemed like I was just trying to get it out before the picture popped in my mind. I found myself thinking the same things as you.. I would recite in my head over and over "all praise to Jesus.. all praise to Jesus" but sometimes, "Satan" would replace "Jesus" and it would scare me to bits! I was sure that if I DID fall asleep, I was going to wake up full-blown demon possessed. Surely, I was going to snap the next morning. Would I hurt my children? Would I be psychotic and go on a killing spree like those in the news recently? Should I tell my husband to stay home and watch after me? He couldnt anyways, so I guess I should just stay up praying that I will be released of whatever this is! I sent my sister (ashdelanepsalm63) a text telling her what was going on and asking her to pray for me because, as she has already mentioned, I knew she would understand and not deem me as psychotic. The next morning, I sent my aunt an email asking that she pray for me as well. She sent me a lot of good scripture that I will happily pass on to you once I get it back up. I finally decided that I was NOT going to let fear win. I opened up all my windows, admired the beautiful new growth in the yard that God provided, and turned my FLR up loud and sang along. It was half-hearted, no matter how I tried. Despite my sudden fear of leaving the house, I was taking the kids for a walk. I did and mostly enjoyed it, but occasionally a car would pass that would leave me wondering if they were watching me. I decided that we would attend church that night (last night).. surely that would make me feel better-it always has! I went to church, I sang my praise and worship music, I wrote down all my notes.. and still felt terrible. I found myself questioning the Bible and other matters of God. I called my sis last night and got some comfort, but I still couldnt shake the feeling--or even stop shaking for that matter. Throughout the day and the night, I had repeated scripture aloud and loudly rebuked any demons within myself or my household. I let satan know that he had NO power over me and that Jesus was far bigger than him (though I wasnt completely convinced at the time). I asked several to pray for me, as well. I did, however, stop praying for myself so much. I stopped asking to be released and instead just CLAIMED release. Praying about it was making me continue thinking about it in depth. It was forcing me to see that face again.
As terrified as I was to fall asleep last night, I did.. and did not suffer any nightmares. I woke up still somewhat shakey this morning, but I kept myself busy ALL DAY LONG. I left the house with the toddlers in tow and made a FULL day of running errands and doing the things that I usually let wait til the weekend. I kept my praise and worship music on, sang along.. and before I knew it, Id stopped shaking. I doubt satan has given up on me yet, but for the time being, he knows he has lost. I have even brought myself to type this without feeling nauseated by "the face."
My suffering may not have lasted as long (if it is, in fact, over), but I truly believe that its because I have so many wonderful believers in my life who (unfortunately) have experienced the same type of thing and have offered great counseling to me.. and knew which scriptures to lead me to.

Mark 4:40 - He said to his disciples, "Why are you so afraid? Do you still have no faith?"
Luke 12:32 - "Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom
Isaiah 41:13 - For I am the Lord, your God, who takes hold of your right hand and says to you, do not fear, I will help you.
Isaiah 54:14 - In righteousness you will be established: Tyranny will be far from you; you will have nothing to fear. Terror will be far removed; it will not come near you
Proverbs 1:33 - But whoever listens to me will live in safety and be at ease, without fear of harm.
Proverbs 3:24 - When you lie down, you will not be afraid; when you lie down, your sleep will be sweet.
Proverbs 3:25 - Have no fear of sudden disaster or of the ruin that overtakes the wicked,
Proverbs 3:26 - for the Lord will be your confidence and will keep your foot from being snared.
Proverbs 29:25 - Fear of man will prove to be a snare, but whoever trusts in the Lord is kept safe.
Hebrews 13:6 - So we say with confidence, "The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?"
Psalm 23:4 - Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me: your rod and your staff, they comfort me.

Talk to your girlfriend, tell her what is going on, ask her pray with you. Do not be afraid that people will think you are insane--that was my fear as well..I even wrote in my email to my aunt "I know this sounds crazy" and "I hope Im not losing my mind", but no one did (or at least no one TOLD me they did LOL). It helped to talk about it outloud. Keeping those demons inside allows them to have even more power. They know you are afraid to speak of them, so how will others help you get rid of them if you dont even tell people of them? Why carry the weight alone when others are probably willing to help take some of that weight off of you in prayer? When you begin to talk about your issues, you may feel that they begin to minimize. It REALLY helped me to be able to call my sister or my mom or go to my husband and say "Hey, Im having a hard time again. I still cant shake this feeling. Please pray for me!"
Rebuke those words and thoughts outloud. Whether you feel it or not, let Satan know that he has NO power over you!
When I come across more scripture that helped me, I will come back and post to you. I have said a prayer for you and will again before bed. I know how horrible that feeling is and I know that God will release you of it, too!
God Bless You, Brother! :hug::pray:
I WASN'T TALKIN TO YOU, SILLY, BUT I WILL SAY IT TO YOU TOO- YOU AINT CRAZY:rofl:

[Skipscan]

You're not the only ones who suffer from this affliction. This problem affects me as well. I actually found myself laughing uncontrollably when I read about how the F words were there again. I wasn't laughing at the situation. I laughed because I could relate to those exact thoughts and words. The only thing that keeps me going is that while those thoughts were in my head, they were never in my heart. I've also never spoken those words with my lips, but even if you have, what matters more than anything is that the words were never in your heart. We all have something in common and that's a conscience. I know this because my friend is a full blown atheist. He said the words with F and he had no conscience about it. No, my friends, we're not damned. My friend who had no conscience is possibly not damned either. Those who go to their graves feeling like my no conscience friend are the ones who are damned. That means even my friend can be saved once he realizes what he did was wrong. We already realize it and we can and will change ourselves, and get rid of this swearing forever. Believe in yourselves, my friends. Don't give up on this struggle. We have to help each other.

[Lacey]

I WASN'T TALKIN TO YOU, SILLY, BUT I WILL SAY IT TO YOU TOO- YOU AINT CRAZY:rofl:
:lol: I didnt mean your whole post being to/about me LOL! I just meant the part I bolded.. where you said that you were actually able to comfort and minister to your little sister because you had been through it as well.. I meant that you must have been talking about ME when you referred to your little sister-- the little sis that you ministered to and comforted, and I was thanking you for that! :rofl: to YOU! LOL
(I did have to wonder though, I have never really considered myself your *little* sister or you as my *big* sister.. but just my sister. Possibly since Im way taller? :lol: We've always been just sisters, D is our little sister, and we are her big sisters.. in my mind. So I wasnt quite sure if you meant me or D, actually!)

[bagofseed]

Write this on the back of your left hand.

Our battle is not with flesh and blood...

Write this on the back of your right hand.

take every thought captive...
and bring it into submission to Jesus.

Two things I have learned:
Don't let a thought wander, lift it up to Jesus.
Easy just say God what do you think of this one?

Next, one of the demonic tricks is to plant thoughts (whisper in your ear in some spiritual way) and then try to convince you that this evil thought came from you, to load guilt on you and tear you down.

When we are quick to make friends with those evil thoughts then we know we have a problem deeper down.

[bagofseed]

Resist the devil and draw near to God.

Its one and the same motion.

I have been hearing more of demonic activity these days.

All the more reason to put aside our treasures in this life and draw near to God more and more. To be in His presence through prayer and in his word which is what renews our minds.

[PWC1970]

Wow, I am happy for everyone's words, and it sounds like a lot of people have had it worse off than me, and it makes me happy that they have gotten through it. I know the devil has no power, especially not over me, I have no reason to even think about a devil, or any bad thoughts about God or Jesus, that's why it's weird that these positive words about evil and satan come in for no reason at all. They definitely weren't thought of by me, or welcomed. I just replace them with good thoughts about God and Jesus, and I hope soon they go away. I read my bible, listen to music of praise, and just pray as much as possible!

Again, it warms my heart for the prayers and words of encouragement of you all!!!!!

[Skipscan]

PWC, I know you initially thought you were alone in this battle, but it's actually very common in the Christian world. I'm not saying it's a good thing at all, but it actually does make it easier for those suffering from this affliction to know that others have battled the exact same demons. My problem started a long time ago, after I saw Bram Stoker's Dracula. It was when Dracula renounced the name of G after his wife killed herself that I grew tempted. I thought to myself, what if I also renounced him? It's been a constant battle ever since, but I won't let it ruin me. The Lord knows what's in our hearts and if you have a conscience, you are winning the war against those demons that oppress you. It's when you don't have a conscience that you're in trouble. If you can swear against him and not care at all, you're probably on your way to a bad road. Keep the faith and keep your conscience. We can win this war against this demon oppression together in Christ's name.

[PWC1970]

A scene from a movie came into my head earlier today, and I thought of a evil line it had in it, the F word to God again, yes, that was in a regular movie, that I saw once, and never saw again. I don't even remember what it was called, it was about 2 Irish guys or something, and I can't believe that was in a movie, for some reason, that scene came into my head and I thought of that line, and I was just thinking why that would be in a movie, how sick it was, but I did think the 2 words, then I just knew that I would never say those words out loud, and I know I had no good feelings toward them, then I just wondered why did I even have those 2 words in my head, and my friend told me, if you can control the thought, then it is sin, and oh gosh, did I sin?. I will just keep the faith, ask for forgiveness and know that it was just a scene from a movie, I was ashamed I even thought of that scene, maybe that was where it came from, and I know I wasn't saying those words to God, I said praise God in my head and out loud many times after that. Words have come from my mouth 2 times, when I didn't even know they were going to, about praise and satan or evil, this is really tearing me up, I know they didn't come from my heart, I didn't think them and say them out loud, I was reading about Good Friday, or just in bed, and the words came out of my mouth when I thinking of praise toward God, and rejection toward evil. Now the devil is having words come out of my mouth without warning, when I am thinking of positive words about God or Jesus, I just don't know why this is happening, I freak out, and talk to God, that the words slipped out of my mouth, but didn't come from me, from my heart. But how much longer can I think of the words, whether by my own accord, or that now the words come out of my mouth, without me thinking of saying them? Because I know that the words out of one's mouth that are good to evil would be a huge sin, I just tell myself that they didn't come from me, I didn't think of them and say them, but these evil words that come into my head for no reason, I can NOT think of on my own accord. Thank you again to all, and I just have started to feel really crazy now, I know that's not right, the devil can not win. Maybe it is an extreme case of OCD.

I know I can beat these demons!

[Skipscan]

You want to know how long? It'll be a lifelong battle, but don't let that scare you. Every single one of us goes through a lifelong battle against demons, but that's why help from The Lord Almighty will set us free. Keep your faith and overcome your fears. Just a few days ago, you thought you were all alone. Now, you know you weren't the only one so keep that in mind as you fight for the rest of your life. We're all fighting for the rest of our lives and it's because we don't stop fighting those demons that we'll be rewarded in the end.

[PWC1970]

Amen to that, I am happy knowing that I have people helping and praying for me, people I know personally, and people I have never even met! Every thing that happens though, the words slipping out of my mouth with no warning, or the words popping up, or me even thinking the foul words just to show that they have no meaning, they don't come from my heart. It just keeps terryfying me that I have sinned the unforgiveable, and I know that I don't want to say bad stuff about anything holy, I know that God and Jesus's love is enternal, as my love is for them, and to just keep knowing that it doesn't come from my heart, the F word or positive thoughts about evil are not my true feelings. I can't let it take control of my life.

I do truly appreciate not being alone in this. I believe in the power of Christians praying together, and I pray for those facing any problems as well.

[Skipscan]

You haven't committed the unforgivable sin, my friend. The unforgivable sin means you go to your grave denying the truth. If you have a conscience, you can not commit the unforgivable sin. The only way you'll be surely damned is to deny all that is good up until your last breath.

[bagofseed]

I cant beat any demons, but Jesus has.
So walk in Jesus and you win!

Dont take the bait.

Another demonic tatic is to get us caught up in chasing demons rather then walking after Jesus.

If you spend all your time rebuking demons in the end what you will have is a relationship.

Take these things and lift them up to God and talk to Him about them and in the end you will have a relationship with God.

Resist (don't embrace) the devil, draw near (embrace) to God

Purify your self:
(Put away sin) that is how you resist.
(Do what is right) that is how you can draw near to God.

Ask God to do these things in you.
Ask God to show you the heart motive of your sin so you can confess it before Him and be set free.

[ashdelanepsalm63]

YOU ARE NOT CRAZY, SICK OR EVIL...I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE GOING THROUGH! IT IS SPIRITUAL-BUT NOT FROM YOUR SPIRIT- IT'S SATAN AND HIS LIES. I WENT THROUGH IT SO BADLY THAT MY PARENTS ACTUALLY STARTED TAKING ME TO CHURCH TO HAVE A PREACHER LAY HANDS AND PRAY OVER ME, THEY ALSO TOOK ME TO PSYCHOLOGISTS...I THOUGHT FOR A WHILE THAT I WAS POSSESSED AND WANTED TO DIE. AFTER MANY HOURS CRYING OUT TO GOD, HAVING MANY INTERCEED FOR ME AND TAKING DEPRESSION/OCD MEDS -I WAS DELIVERED. AFTER CRYING MYSELF TO SLEEP (WITH A BIBLE ON MY CHEST) ONE NIIGHT I FELL INTO THE MOST PEACEFUL DREAM I'VE EVER HAD AND IT WAS MORE REAL TO ME THAN ANY WAKING MOMENT OF MY LIFE. THE DREAM-I WAS WALKING DOWN A DESOLATE, BEAUTIFUL BEACH...SUNBEAMS WERE SHINING THROUGH BREAKS IN THE CLOUDS...I COULD FEEL THE WARMTH ON MY SKIN RELEASING WAVES OF UNEXPLAINABLE PEACE...THERE WERE NO AUDIBLE WORDS BUT I COULD FEEL THE LORD SPEAKING TO ME, COMFORTING ME AND RELEASING ME FROM THE BATTLE THROUGH THE SUNLIGHT...I WOKE UP THE NEXT MORNING A DIFFERENT PERSON...THE THOUGHTS, FEARS, SICK FEELINGS VANISHED. I KNOW IT SOUNDS HOKEY: ) AND THAT MAY NOT BE THE WAY GOD DELIVERS ALL WHO SUFFER FROM THIS BUT I PROMISE YOU FROM MY HEART OF HEARTS THAT IT IS THE TRUTH...HOWEVER, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE I CAN FEEL THEM CREEPING BACK BUT NOW I KNOW- REBUKE IT INSTANTLY IN THE NAME OF JESUS AND HAVE THE STRENGTH TO OVERCOME- AND KNOWLEDGE OF THE SOURCE. BY THE WAY, BOTH OF MY SISTERS, MY DAD AND A COUSIN WENT THROUGH THE EXACT SAME THING--ALL WERE DELIVERED!...SOME OF US ARE JUST MORE PSYCHOLOGICALLY SENSITIVE I THINK TO SATANS "DARTS". THIS IS GOING TO SOUND CRAZY, BUT ONE DAY YOU WILL UNDERSTAND AND PROBABLY EVEN THANK GOD FOR ALLOWING YOU TO FIGHT THIS BATTLE. BECAUSE HE LET ME GO THROUGH IT -HE WAS ABLE TO REVEAL HIMSELF TO ME IN SUCH A GLORIOUS WAY-I WILL NEVER TAKE HIM FOR GRANTED-I KNOW THAT HE WILL ALWAYS OVERCOME EVIL FOR ME, I LEARNED SO MUCH MORE ABOUT HIM THAN I WOULD HAVE IF I NEVER WENT THROUGH IT-AND I AM JUST SO MUCH CLOSER AND IN LOVE WITH HIM NOW BECAUSE I KNOW NOW THAT HE IS REAL, HE IS MY ONLY DELIVERER AND GREAT PHYSICIAN. MY FAITH HAS INCREASED SO MUCH BECAUSE I KNOW HE IS WITH ME AND COMES TO MY RESCUE. HE IS WITH YOU NOW EVEN IF YOU DON'T FEEL IT. HE IS MAKING YOU STRONGER AND GIVING YOU THE CHANCE TO CALL ON HIM MORE SO THAT YOU WILL BE EVEN CLOSER TO HIM SOON. YOU ARE IN MY PRAYERS. THIS TOO SHALL PASS, BROTHER. JUST STAY IN THE WORD, CRY OUT TO HIM WITHOUT CEASING, REBUKE THE DEVIL, LISTEN TO PRAISE AND WORSHIP MUSIC -AND PLEASE GO TALK TO A DR ABOUT POSSIBLE OCD. MY LOVE AND PRAYERS TO YOU. JESUS HAS OVERCOME THE GRAVE AND HE WILL SURELY OVERCOME THIS SUFFERING IN YOU! KEEP US UPDATED! -ASHDELANEPSALM63:hug::pray::pray::pray:

[PWC1970]

Back with one more, unfourtunately. Yesterday at work I was just fighting it, maybe with it not being there the whole time. I read online about OCD symptoms, and it felt like all of mine. Then in my mind I must have thought that it wasn't a devil, that it was just a disease of the mind. Then all of a sudden, a slight doubt feeling of the existince of God and Jesus came in, I don't know why. I got upset and was feeling empty in my head, I just quickly tried to forget it. I know I didn't question God's existince in my heart. I took some Tylenol PM and went to bed early to help me sleep. All it did was make the evil words worse. I got no sleep, as the positive evil words and bad words about the holy just kept on, I would drift off to sleep, then it would appear, make it feel like it came from my heart, and jolt me back awake. This went on all night. I woke up, and I repeated the words not from my heart but because they were in my head, fill with evil. I only said it once, and know it had no feeling, and was ashamed of it. Anyway, thanks for reading once again, I read about OCD and it said the symptoms never fully go away? I am panicking once again, because the devil made it seem like the words came from me, because they were so constant all night, and made it seem like they came from my heart. I will try and get some answers tomorrow from a doctor. I will just go to church today and do my best to block out the words, and pray I haven't said the wrong thing.

God Bless you all.

[bagofseed]

Its a fight.
Keep you hope firmly fixed in God.
Ask Him to fight for you and through you.


God Keep You

[PWC1970]

Hello again all, just a quick update, that I was able to get a psychiatrist appointment this Thursday just to see if he thinks it is OCD, and maybe get some medication. I know that won't affect my faith, I am constantly praying and saying words of praise, that part I don't want to go away, and I know it won't, but this problem seems to maybe have gotten worse, it is just coming up with vile ugly words in everyday situations, on the computer, while I am work, out somewhere in public. And it refuses to let me sleep or nap. When I try to nap, as I drift off to sleep, I just hear something so vulgar that I wake up, drift back, the same thing. I have to take a sleeping pill, that it supposed to knock you out for 7 or 8 hours, and I am lucky if I get 5 or 6 before being woken up every single morning, then really unable to fall back asleep because the sick stuff starts. This just makes my days unbearable, being sleepy at work, not being able to enjoy anything that I did before, the words still being there, and the past few mornings, there have been some disgusting visual stuff I see in my mind or whatever, and when I think of how vulgar they are later, I just think I sinned by bringing it up again on my own. I haven't gotten angry at God or anything, just at the situation and at the devil. I guess it is staying in me because I might give in to it, by constantly fighting with it or stressing badly over it. Putting my mind on other things just doesn't seem to help either. I have had a lot of stress these past months, and maybe that triggered the whole thing.

I hope that the professional help can help me. I know there is no magic evil killer pill.:) But I just have to maybe get more exercise, and just try as I can to ignore it, although it is hard to be woken up by it, and not able to get back to sleep! I will just continue to pray to God like I have been and ask for forgiveness and read the bible and other inspirational books.

Thanks for reading and for the advice and prayers.

[bagofseed]

Caution!

Many medications to tread mental illness may cause mental illness if the problem they are meant to treat does not actually exist.

AKA, taking drugs for spiritual problems can make you physically mentally ill, unbalance you natural brain chemistry.

So I have been told by a professional and experienced first hand in the destruction of one of the people I love by the mental health system.

Be careful.
Get a good christian doctor.
Ask them if thy believe in the demonic first, if not it means they cant tell the difference.
Don't say anything more, get out before you are forcibly locked up.
Get out and find someone else ASAP before they have the cops come for you at your house.

Its not a christian friendly system in my experiance.

[sistershalom]

Someone before me quoted the scripture about taking every thought captive to the obedience of CHRIST... that has helped me so very much in my journey... the end of 2001 I started hearing voices... I also have thoughts I know do not come from me or GOD... a good scripture to meditate on and pray back to GOD is Psalm 91 ... to put it in practical steps i first start to sence a bad thought comming on i relax and dont get worried so that it doesnt get worse... i think of the scripture to take my thoughts captive and it works... i feel the presence of GOD blocking the thought... ask GOD for some spiritual cenorship... and remember there is no condemnation for those that are in CHRIST... i dont feel guilty anymore about bad thoughts comming from the devil... be blessed...

[PWC1970]

I think one of the reasons this problem was bought on, was because the devil found an opening when I was sick and weak with a stomach virus, and because of the intense stress I have been under for a while and maybe depression caused by the stress. That's the main reason I am seeing a doctor, to reduce my stress and depression, and these voices and thoughts are maybe just adding to the stress, or like I said, came in because of all my worries. I will ask plenty of questions, and get the right advice before I take anything, but of course I will put it all in God's hands and just continue to pray, and ask that he remove this from me.

I have been fighting with the decision to see someone professional, and just praying that God knows that I do need his help, but just medicine for the other stuff, and maybe the combination of prayer and the doctor's advice will help reduce the thoughts and words, or remove it entirely. I hope it's not un-Christian like! I have talked to many people about it, and gotten many opinions.

Thanks all!

[faithoverflow]

Actually, I'm going through the exact same thing right now. That's how I found this forum really (through this thread), I was distressed because I didn't understand what was happening to me. It started almost 2 weeks ago I came down with a really bad flu on that Thursday. I was basically bedridden for about 3 days and that Sunday I was talking to my friend (she's a JW and I frequently talk to her about the Bible). We got on the topic of the Holy Spirit somehow and then she mentioned the one unforgivable sin which all know (sorry, don't want to write it). Then we sat and thought about it for a few moments and we were puzzled about it, because we didn't now how could one do such a thing. But I think I spent too much time in idle thought about that unforgivable sin.

After that all these weird spontaneous thoughts came up in my head that were (cursing) against God. The next day to my terror, they were getting worse (more frequent) and more derogatory. I tried rebuking it in my mind, whenever a bad thought came up I'd scream in my head repeatedly "I rebuke you! I rebuke you!" But it still didn't stop them from popping up. That night while I was reading my Bible in bed an awful thought came into my head, too much for me to rebuke it. And at that moment my head felt really strange so I got on all fours then I felt a strong pulling force on my spirit and then I think I heard a groaning sound then it started to pull at me again. When I started to feel it the second time I jumped out of bed and fell on my knees and started praying to God for forgiveness. I seriously thought I was going to die.:cry: I hardly got any sleep that night. I was soo grateful when I woke up to sunshine. I reasoned to myself that it was the devil but I never been soo shaken to my very core like that before.

After that things started to get better gradually, sometimes the bad thoughts still arise but whenever it started I'd sing in my head a song, but last night was horrible. Satan tried to creep up on me in my prayer I felt a rebellious thought come but I didn't let it manifest. Despite that I felt awful after wards and my heart was pounding in my chest for a few hours and I couldn't sleep (only got about 4 hours).

I can't stand the thought of ever being separated from my Lord, it scares me to my core. I was really down this morning but spirits lifted when I was in the kitchen cutting fruit and as I turned to do some dish washing I said a little quick prayer in head saying " Lord my greatest fear to be separated from you..." and at that very moment the knife I was cutting with on the side on me fell and spanked my leg (it could have stabbed me but it didn't!). It did kinda hurt! lol :lol: But I started laughing, because I felt as if the Lord was telling me that I was being ridiculous.

So yea, now there's hardly been any rebellious thoughts today, whenever one spontaneous comes up I simply ignore and pretend it didn't happen because I found when I put more energy into worrying about them, they just get worse.

The Lord knows our hearts better than we do ourselves. Jesus Christ died on the cross for all sins (including rebellious thoughts). And that's what I continuously try to mediate on now to keep the devil away. Two of the nine fruits of the Holy Spirit are joy and peace. The devil tries to take that away from us but that's not his right! So my brothers and sisters we need to always strengthen ourselves in the Word. Please pray for me as I know it'll take me a while to get over this. I pray for you as well PWC1970 (http://bibleforums.org/forum/member.php?u=35698), you are entitled to peace! :hug:

[PWC1970]

Thanks very much. The bad words are still there, but not as much as they have been. They just pop into my head for no reason, and I just try to think something positive and move on and not fight with it. I hope your situation gets better as well! Praying for you!!!!!

[Letters4Jesus777]

Hello all, first time visitor here, I searched for a christian message board, and this is the first thing that came up, so I joined right away. I just want to ask for some more advice for a serious problem I am having. I know nobody has all the answers, and I don't want to sound crazy or babble on, or if this is long winded... I have read some posts on here, and they seem to be more serious than mine, but mine is something that torments me almost from waking up to going to sleep.

First of all, I was baptized a couple of years ago, it was something I wanted to do. I did sin a lot since then, and I am ashamed of it, and all I can do is beg for forgiveness. I have commited to completely turn away from sin, maybe this problem made me feel that way, or I decided to before.

But my problem, is these evil thoughts in my head. I got sick with a virus around a week ago, and the thoughts, not necessarily voices, but 3 or 5 words put together started happening around that time with reckless abandon, they might have been there before, but this entire week has been a non-stop battle. I can't repeat it, but they are just in my head, HORRIBLE curse words toward God and Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, the church, the Bible, even the Virgin Mary! It also positive thoughts about satan. I really don't know why they are there. I rebuke them with positive thoughts, like praise God, praise Jesus, love God, love Jesus, worship God, worship jesus, etc...

I say them in my mind when I am at work, as it is constant, but when I am in my car or at home, I say out loud, reject satan, and the positive things out loud. But it just lasts for almost the whole day, my positive thoughts are immediately met with the evil words, it's a never ending battle in my head. I can't even enjoy a dinner with my girlfriend who I have taken out the past 2 nights, and the thoughts start again, taking away my appetite, and my not being myself, I didn't share it with her as I don't want to sound insane. She just knows something is on my mind.

I have talked to 2 close pastors of mine, but I just would like others advice, they have been helpful, saying it's just Satan trying to corrupt you, or mess with your mind. I just keep saying to God, that the word Satan and the cuss words, and anything rejecting the Holy Spirit, are just words, they have no meaning, they didn't come from me, the only words that come from my heart towards you God and Jesus are love, praise, and worship.

I am just afraid that I have condemned myself, that I may have repeated the thought to deny it, replace it with good words, but the evil thoughts just come too easily in my head, like the worse curse word toward God. I say to God and Jesus, who I have prayed too many times, you are in my heart, it can't be broken, no sin can enter, and these thoughts did not come from my heart or mouth, so why are they in my head? I read the bible, listen to Christian music, and continue to pray. But the evil still wakes me up two hours before I am supposed to get up, prevents me from getting to sleep, enjoying a night with the woman I love, eating regularly, and from doing a good job at work. I even think it has kept me ill, as I am still having stomach problems. When they go away for a while, I start to feel that satan won, or that God has shut me out. Maybe I bring the evil words back in that way, I don't know. I know God and Jesus love me, and I am not angry at them, I am just angry at the evil, I have no reason to say such things to The Creator and his Son, and no reason to think positive about anything evil. I am even scared to go to church this Sunday, as I don't want to be sitting there while this horrible stuff goes on.

Thanks to all who read this, and for any advice, that you feel would help. I don't think I would become mentally ill all of a sudden, and again, that I am not condemned by these horrible thoughts.

Thank you
Patrick
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Patrick

If you will read Mark 3:28 and 3:29 and also speaks of in Matthew and Luke. Jesus talked about the only unforgivable sin. That sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Now let me tell you something. Jesus made absolutely clear that this is a spoken sin, not one that is thought. Satan likes to play his mind games. You better believe that any evil thought comes from the mastor of evil, which is the snake. Don't sweat it man. Just pray and things will get better! God bless

[cac0017]

I just want everyone to know who is going through this that they MUST put on the Full Armor of God!!! I went through this and still sorta am and let me tell you the one thing that can combat satan and his demons is the sword of TRUTH!! Jesus tells us in Luke 10:9 "Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing will injure you." If you are a true believer you can do this. You have to speak the word to him (satan) and put him in his place. I believe the evil one does this so that he can hurt us by: scaring us for one and to questioning our salvation, hurting our witness (because we are too busy worrying about ourselves that we cannot think of others) and many many more. We also need to look to the lord and put our focus on him instead of ourselves...

Think about this people: Have some of you gone astray and were living for the world and not for the lord and then turned back to Him? Or are you a new believer and this is happening? Well, l think that Satan does everything in his power to hurt the Christian. If this never bothered you before (when you were carnal, sinful) because Satan already had you- you weren't living or seeking the lord. I mean this is a horrible thing, but you can overcome this with prayer!!! In the book of James it says "blessed is the man who perservers under trial..." so don't give up, stand the trial and strive to finish the race... and know that JESUS is cheering us on to finish it and join Him in our heavenly resting place. BUT NEVER GIVE UP AND Always PRAY!!!!


Here are some comforting scriptures to study/memorize and to have on hand during these attacks:

-Isaiah 54:17: "No weapon formed against you shall prosper..."
-Phillipians 4:13: " I can do all things through CHRIST who strengthens me"
-1 John 4:4: "...because Greater is He that is in me then he who is in the world."
- 1 Samuel 12:22: "For the sake of his great name the LORD will not reject his people, because the LORD was pleased to make you his own."
-John 10:28 "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand."
-Hebrews 13:5 “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.”

[cac0017]

I just want everyone to know who is going through this that they MUST put on the Full Armor of God!!! I went through this and still sorta am and let me tell you the one thing that can combat satan and his demons is the sword of TRUTH!! Jesus tells us in Luke 10:9 "Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing will injure you." If you are a true believer you can do this. You have to speak the word to him (satan) and put him in his place. I believe the evil one does this so that he can hurt us by: scaring us for one and to questioning our salvation, hurting our witness (because we are too busy worrying about ourselves that we cannot think of others) and many many more. We also need to look to the lord and put our focus on him instead of ourselves...

Think about this people: Have some of you gone astray and were living for the world and not for the lord and then turned back to Him? Or are you a new believer and this is happening? Well, l think that Satan does everything in his power to hurt the Christian. If this never bothered you before (when you were carnal, sinful) because Satan already had you- you weren't living or seeking the lord. I mean this is a horrible thing, but you can overcome this with prayer!!! In the book of James it says "blessed is the man who perservers under trial..." so don't give up, stand the trial and strive to finish the race... and know that JESUS is cheering us on to finish it and join Him in our heavenly resting place. BUT NEVER GIVE UP AND Always PRAY!!!!


Here are some comforting scriptures to study/memorize and to have on hand during these attacks:

-Isaiah 54:17: "No weapon formed against you shall prosper..."
-Phillipians 4:13: " I can do all things through CHRIST who strengthens me"
-1 John 4:4: "...because Greater is He that is in me then he who is in the world."
- 1 Samuel 12:22: "For the sake of his great name the LORD will not reject his people, because the LORD was pleased to make you his own."
-John 10:28 "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand."
-Hebrews 13:5 “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.”

[cac0017]

Hey I am from Bryan, TX!!!

[Earthtomel]

I am glad you posted this....I am going through the same thing. Some days are much worse than others. I find myself saying I hate God......when I know I don't. I have no idea where this comes from.

I will keep you in my prayers. Thank you for posting this. It does help to see that others are in the same boat. I thought I was insane....It is so scary.

[Earthtomel]

I also know that satan is a coward. He always seem to attack us when we are at our weakest. He knows his time is short, so he is trying to take as many people as he can with him.