Original Hebrew Bible - would Fenris weigh in please?

[AdamWest]

I'm wanting to purchase an original Hebrew Bible. The reasons are many; however, a few of them are as follows:

- Historical Collectors Value
- Study Purposes
- The original Hebrew text is the only text that can be fully trusted as English (and other translations) of the Bible may be faulty.

I believe the original Hebrew text is known as the Torah, though I'm not fully sure. If it's not please tell me what it would be known as.

Also, I did find Volumes 1 and 2 of a 1946 edition of the Torah (Genesis - 2nd Corinthians) which I was planning on purchasing (on eBay).

Thanks for all replies in advanced.

[Urban Missionary]

I would speak to Fenris, he would be the most likely to know...

[stillforgiven]

Agreed. You can't PM with him yet, and since he is Jewish (not Messianic) and limited to where he can post, you should post on his profile page. He's a really nice guy. :)

[-SEEKING-]

I believe the original Hebrew text is known as the Torah, though I'm not fully sure.

The Torah huh? Hmm. Were you a member here before?

[Vhayes]

I'm wanting to purchase an original Hebrew Bible. The reasons are many; however, a few of them are as follows:

- Historical Collectors Value
- Study Purposes
- The original Hebrew text is the only text that can be fully trusted as English (and other translations) of the Bible may be faulty.

I believe the original Hebrew text is known as the Torah, though I'm not fully sure. If it's not please tell me what it would be known as.

Also, I did find Volumes 1 and 2 of a 1946 edition of the Torah (Genesis - 2nd Corinthians) which I was planning on purchasing (on eBay).

Thanks for all replies in advanced.

If it says it's the Torah and goes on to say it goes through II Corinthians, it's a fake.

i agree with the others - post to Fenris and ask him what the best buy would be.
V

[danm]

Torah with Corinthians ! :eek: who are they kidding ? rofl :lol::lol:
Do you mean Chronicles ( Divrei Hayamin ) ?

I think you''l find what you're looking for at artscroll.com it's a good place to buy Torah,prayer books etc.

God bless.
DanM.

[grit]

I'm wanting to purchase an original Hebrew Bible. The reasons are many; however, a few of them are as follows:

- Historical Collectors Value
- Study Purposes
- The original Hebrew text is the only text that can be fully trusted as English (and other translations) of the Bible may be faulty.

I believe the original Hebrew text is known as the Torah, though I'm not fully sure. If it's not please tell me what it would be known as.

Also, I did find Volumes 1 and 2 of a 1946 edition of the Torah (Genesis - 2nd Corinthians) which I was planning on purchasing (on eBay).

Thanks for all replies in advanced.
Welcome, AdamWest, to Bibleforums. :wave:

The Torah sometimes refers to the books of Moses, the Pentateuch, or first 5 books of the Bible (or often Chumash, in its printed form, of which the Mikraot Gedolot (which is a complete Tanakh) is the oldest), but the term is also sometimes used of an extension of Jewish religious texts (principally including Jewish oral tradition as represented by Talmud and Midrash, which are somewhat like Christian commentary on the Bible). And whereas the Pentateuch were indeed perhaps the original Hebrew Bible, most Jews further include much of what we Christians include as our Old Testament Scriptures. In Rabbinic Judaism this is called the Tanakh, which in addition to the Torah, also contains the Nevi'im (or, "Prophets") and the Ketuvim (or, "Writings"), and thus referred to as the transliterated acronym TaNaKh. There are a number of editions of such available in both Hebrew and/or English. The Masoretic Text is the most common Hebrew text used, and is the basis for many Christian Old Testament texts as well. Some editions, however, use the Leningrad Codex, where principally there is a different order of books in the Ketuvim. You'd probably appreciate the Jewish Publication Society's Hebrew-English Tanakh, but please note that we do not have any original writings (or what are called technically, autographs) of any Bible, Jewish or Christian.

I agree with everyone else, however, that Fenris, our resident Jewish apologist, is likely the member you want to talk to. Just be careful of discussing holy hand-grenades of Antioch and their bearing on recovery of ancient Hebrew texts. :)

[thepenitent]

I'm wanting to purchase an original Hebrew Bible. The reasons are many; however, a few of them are as follows:

- Historical Collectors Value
- Study Purposes
- The original Hebrew text is the only text that can be fully trusted as English (and other translations) of the Bible may be faulty.

I believe the original Hebrew text is known as the Torah, though I'm not fully sure. If it's not please tell me what it would be known as.

Also, I did find Volumes 1 and 2 of a 1946 edition of the Torah (Genesis - 2nd Corinthians) which I was planning on purchasing (on eBay).

Thanks for all replies in advanced.

Actually, the "Torah" (the "law") refers to the first five books of the Bible. The oldest copy or transcript of the Hebrew mesoratic text is the BHS. (my spelling will be off but I believe that stands for the "Biblia Hebracia Stugartensia"). The oldest Hebrew texts we have are the dead sea scrolls. We have copies of the Septuagint ("LXX") which are older than the BHS, it is a Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures extant at the time of translation. Many consider the Septuagint a more reliable transcript than the BHS and the dead sea scrolls do conform more to the Septuagint than the BHS.

If you are determined to read the OT or Tanak in the original Hebrew then the BHS is probably your best bet and a copy can be obtained easily.

[AdamWest]

Thanks everyone.

Sorry, I did mean 2nd Chronicles not Corinthians.

The bidding is almost over for the E-Bay item though and I don't know what to do :sad:

[CoffeeCat]

Hey everyone, I am going to move this thread over to our Kicking Back forum, where Christians and non-Christians can chat in much the same way Anything Goes works. :) (And Fenris can answer there, too, if he'd like.)

[stillforgiven]

:pp for CoffeeCat saving the day!!! :)

[AdamWest]

Hey everyone, I am going to move this thread over to our Kicking Back forum, where Christians and non-Christians can chat in much the same way Anything Goes works. :) (And Fenris can answer there, too, if he'd like.)

Thanks !

[Vhayes]

It's Saturday - Fenris won't be here until at least later this evening and maybe as late as tomorrow. Just a heads up if the auction is about to end.
V

[AdamWest]

It's Saturday - Fenris won't be here until at least later this evening and maybe as late as tomorrow. Just a heads up if the auction is about to end.
V

It's alright, I'm sure I can find another one, maybe even better :)
Wanna make sure I get the right thing though.

Remember, I'm looking for an ORIGINAL HEBREW BIBLE taken directly from the original scrolls the bible was recorded on.

[Fenris]

OK, Adam West (aka the batman?!) PMed me and I recommended a Hebrew bible I'm quite fond of. Anyone interested in an actual Torah scroll (five books of Moses only, of course) will have to shell out between 20,000 and 60,000 dollars for one. Each one is hand-written and compared, line by line, to an already existing Torah scroll. It represents about a year's worth of labor.

Because of the checking system, Torah scrolls from all over the world are identical, even where communities have been separated for thousands of years.