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saskgui
Aug 4th 2009, 01:39 AM
Hi

I have struggled with lust since a child. I am now in my mid thirties. I am sad to think of all the time i have wasted in my life with alcohol, drugs and lust however it was my free choice and now i live with the consequences.

I first realized i had a problem in my mid twenties when i could not quit pornography and masturbation no matter how hard i tried. Some of the things i have tried to do in quitting include praying asking God to remove this sin, reading books on sexual addiction, trying my best not to "do it", bouncing my eyes from people that i considered attractive and attempting to love God more and be a better Christian. Since nothing worked by myself I went to christian counselling expecting them to "fix me". That also did not work. So off i went to a 12 step SA group. It was great to be honest amoung other guys, a place where i could be more honest than church but still my sin persisted.

I don't stand before you (er.. metaphorically speaking) able to point to my success but rather what i learned to date. Reading the book "At The Altar Of Sexual Idolatry" by Steve Gallager has been foundational in many ways. It has pointed me to such truths as:

1) what i have been looking for is something to set me free from lust so i can live my life as i choose... with me in 100% control.
2) i have been most intrested in being saved from the Lake of Fire and given eternal life, not in turning from my sins and hating evil.
3) repentance and grace come as a package deal, you can't seperate them.
4) if God instantly removed lust from me then what would i be? A lukewarm christian that would only seek out evil again, whether lust or other.
5) that lust is a fight on three battlefronts, a) the flesh which has natural inclinations to anything pleasurable, b) the world which is a force like gravity pulling people away from God, c) spiritual forces which cannot forces us to do anything but can tempt us in ways which we are most weak. You need to understand the difference between the three and be prepared.
6) At the base lust is just like any other sin in which we don't deny ourselves by giving Jesus Lordship of our lives but rather desire to run our own life.
7) Don't expect a instant or quick release, even with God's help the road to recovery will likely take some time. This is necessary as we need to learn many things over again and some experience for the first time. It is part of developing christian character.

I am not in a position to teach but rather wanted to share things taught to me from Steve which i am convinced are sound biblical truths that can be pivotal for those struggling. If you are in this position of bondage this book may be of help to you.

HisLeast
Aug 4th 2009, 01:46 AM
Hey Saskgui,

Welcome brother. I too have walked this path. You can read my testimony here (http://bibleforums.org/forum/showthread.php?p=2067609#post2067609). Your story feels very familiar. Trying everything... wrestling mightily... resisting... "giving it to God"... the reading. Sleepless nights praying until all hours? Fasts? Frustrations that everyone's advice sounded so easy and yet for you it is indescribably difficult. Sound familiar to you?

Well, I'm going to suggest the only thing that worked for me, and something that wasn't on your list: Professional therapy.

I'm not sure if you have access to such services, but I'll tell you that I never gained an inch of ground until I had a counselor to work through the deeper issues with me. I had no idea how deep the roots went, and how completely unrelated to sex the base issue was.

Regardless of your next strategy, we're here for you and praying for you.

saskgui
Aug 4th 2009, 03:07 AM
Hello HisLeast

I am sorry to hear that lust has had such an incredible effect on your life. Actually i totally understand the isolation you felt when young and in college. Porn seemed like such a viable alternative right? And after all.. it was private and hurt no one....

So how are you today? Your testimony speaks of the horrors of lust and your helplessness against it, are you winning more than you are loosing now?

I have attended christian counselling before. I am considering it again. Not to battle lust but rather to find out why i have been denying Christ and not giving him 1st place in my life which i feel is a root issue.

Slug1
Aug 4th 2009, 03:25 AM
I have attended christian counselling before. I am considering it again. Not to battle lust but rather to find out why i have been denying Christ and not giving him 1st place in my life which i feel is a root issue.Amen... I took struggled for many, many years until the Lord began to answer prayers. As I look back I can see it's because I began to allow God to be incharge...

In my signature is a link to my testimony. It's very long but I feel the words will minister to you.

Welcome to the board and to BtC.

VerticalReality
Aug 4th 2009, 04:11 AM
I have attended christian counselling before. I am considering it again. Not to battle lust but rather to find out why i have been denying Christ and not giving him 1st place in my life which i feel is a root issue.

You just hit the nail on the head. There is only one root cause for sin and that is a heart that is seeking after the flesh. We walk by faith and we overcome sin. We walk by the flesh and we will fall again and again and again.

The reason folks struggle over and over again with this sin is because they continuously walk in the flesh rather than in the Spirit. Rather than seeking God IN THEIR HEART THROUGH LOVE they are seeking the flesh and then asking God to take away what they desire in their heart.

The problem is that folks will commit sin and then they will feel shame or condemnation over that sin, and while motivated by this shame or condemnation they ask God to forgive them. However, the root cause has still not been changed because once that shame and condemnation fades the desire to sin again is still there. In other words, our love for sin is stronger than our love for the Lord, so the sin wins out over and over and over again.

The reason Paul could talk about deliverance at the end of Romans 7 leading into Romans 8 through the Lord Jesus Christ is because he was speaking about life under the law (bondage) versus a delivered life of freedom in Christ (grace).

When we are caught up in nothing but defiled religion we make everything about our work. We try to earn God's favor rather than simply resting in Him and loving Him. When it is about our works rather than our love for the Lord we will end up choosing sin everytime because the flesh loves sin. Only when we are given a new heart and a new spirit are we able to now abide in the Lord and LOVE Him. It's that love that He instills in us that gives us the power to overcome sin.

This is how pornography can be defeated. It's by walking by faith and love for our Lord Jesus Christ and trusting that He has done everything through His death and resurrection to empower us to overcome all sin.

HisLeast
Aug 4th 2009, 01:39 PM
I am sorry to hear that lust has had such an incredible effect on your life. Actually i totally understand the isolation you felt when young and in college. Porn seemed like such a viable alternative right? And after all.. it was private and hurt no one....

So how are you today? Your testimony speaks of the horrors of lust and your helplessness against it, are you winning more than you are loosing now?

I have attended christian counselling before. I am considering it again. Not to battle lust but rather to find out why i have been denying Christ and not giving him 1st place in my life which i feel is a root issue.

Sask,

I have a slightly different view from my brothers here in that putting God first, in my case, meant discovering how to be obedient. Practically speaking I never knew what "walking in the spirit" or "giving it to God" or "Christ already won" or "walking in faith" meant in terms of the struggle. It never made my temptations any less, nor my strength any better. To me, being obedient to God meant grappling with the sin and mastering it. As Genesis states...

Genesis 4:7 "If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it."

and mastering my sin meant discovering how it had taken root in my life to begin with. I assure you there were no simple answers there. Over the course of 2 years I dealt with a professional psychiatrist (also a Christian) and discovered more about myself than I would have ever admitted to.

Not only have I discovered the nature of what drives me to this particular sin, but also several unhealthy life habits that were holding me back. It was shortly after taking this therapy that I finally had a feeling that the temptation was less intense, and my ability to resist it (or rather, undermine its power) was stronger. It was because I had practical tools in dealing with the addiction.

RollTide21
Aug 4th 2009, 01:52 PM
Rather than seeking God IN THEIR HEART THROUGH LOVE they are seeking the flesh and then asking God to take away what they desire in their heart.
Hammer meet nail. Sums it up, perfectly...and it took me 20 years to discover that simple Truth.

And from a Tennessee fan, no less. :)

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